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post #3031 of 3995
donebu,

What firmware revision is in your S590?

It's obviously a bug in the S590's firmware. I've seen it 2 or 3 times, too. I haven't updated the firmware since doing it once just after I purchased the player, though.
post #3032 of 3995
Hello all.

I own the S590, latest firmware (attempted update last night showed 'Already Updated').

I picked up the new Monsters Inc bluray released yesterday with 7.1 TrueHD 48kHz sound. It pipes out around 6Mbps of sound data, far more than any other bluray I currently own.

However, the sound drops out occasionally. This hasn't happened with any other bluray. This doesn't happen when I switch to the plain Dolby Digital 2 channel option on the disc.

I'm sending the audio to my receiver using Bitstream, not PCM. I'm using a 3ft Blue Rigger 1.4 HDMI cable from the player to the receiver.

Does anyone know if the player just doesn't have the buffer to handle a 6Mbps audio stream?

Thanks.
post #3033 of 3995
Quite a few recent Blu Rays that come with TrueHD 7.1 have this problem. It is not the player (it happens on all players). It has something to do with Dobly updated their TrueHD compression. Most AVRs on the market will have this problem when bitstreamed (they need a firmware update). The only way to play it is to turn off bitstream and let the player output LPCM 7.1 which should sound identical as bitstreamed without the drop outs.

I recently experienced this exact issue on Total Recall (2012) disc. And you can see the discussion here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430965/total-recall-2012
Edited by Foxbat121 - 2/20/13 at 7:45am
post #3034 of 3995
Thanks for the info.

I have the Finding Nemo blueray with the 7.1 TrueHD 48 kHz track and didn't experience any dropouts with that movie. Odd.
post #3035 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

donebu,

What firmware revision is in your S590?

It's obviously a bug in the S590's firmware. I've seen it 2 or 3 times, too. I haven't updated the firmware since doing it once just after I purchased the player, though.

Software Version: M12.R.0430, latest update available from the network update in the menu. It's just an annoyance, but I'd hope Sony would fix the problem with a firmware update. Thanks for your reply, now I know it's not just my S590 doing this.
post #3036 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Pygon View Post

Thanks for the info.

I have the Finding Nemo blueray with the 7.1 TrueHD 48 kHz track and didn't experience any dropouts with that movie. Odd.

Try let the player decode the TrueHD and see what happens. If it also happens with player decoding, you can them blame either the disc or player.
post #3037 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

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Originally Posted by Pygon View Post

Thanks for the info.

I have the Finding Nemo blueray with the 7.1 TrueHD 48 kHz track and didn't experience any dropouts with that movie. Odd.

Try let the player decode the TrueHD and see what happens. If it also happens with player decoding, you can them blame either the disc or player.

If you haven't already, you might try disabling Deep Color in the player. The high bitrate it requires has often been found to be a cause of intermittent dropouts.
post #3038 of 3995
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Yes if you are playing a M2TS rather than MKV.

FF/RW of MKVs over DLNA either works outright or requires a simple remux with MKVToolNix 5.8.0 (or earlier) or a remux with MKVToolNix 5.9.0 (or above, currently 6.0.0) using "--engage no_cue_duration,no_cue_relative_position" command line parameter.
post #3039 of 3995
I've had my S590 for about 3 months now. No problems so far. With computers and electronics. I follow the philosophy of - If it ain't broke don't fix it.
However, I was curious about the procedure to check for the unit status and also find and install updates. I did a search here, but was overwhelmed with so many "problem - update recommended" posts and couldn't figure out how to narrow the search for the update procedure.
Thanks, Dave
post #3040 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Pygon View Post

Thanks for the info.

I have the Finding Nemo blueray with the 7.1 TrueHD 48 kHz track and didn't experience any dropouts with that movie. Odd.

You are not alone. Looks like my theory is correct. See here http://www.avsforum.com/t/1459366/audio-dropouts-during-disney-3d-bds-with-truehd
post #3041 of 3995
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Originally Posted by stillgolfing View Post

I've had my S590 for about 3 months now. No problems so far. With computers and electronics. I follow the philosophy of - If it ain't broke don't fix it.
However, I was curious about the procedure to check for the unit status and also find and install updates. I did a search here, but was overwhelmed with so many "problem - update recommended" posts and couldn't figure out how to narrow the search for the update procedure.
Thanks, Dave

Relax, your player will check for update automatically. If you are not on the latest update, your streaming capability will be disabled by the player.
post #3042 of 3995
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

FF/RW of MKVs over DLNA either works outright or requires a simple remux with MKVToolNix 5.8.0 (or earlier) or a remux with MKVToolNix 5.9.0 (or above, currently 6.0.0) using "--engage no_cue_duration,no_cue_relative_position" command line parameter.

That's a good tip. I shall try.
post #3043 of 3995
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Originally Posted by SteveHoward View Post

DaggerNC and/or Toad385,

I'm not able to see the actual line of code you put into the profile. Could you elaborate for me please?

This is what I see when I go to quote DaggerNC's message:
Code:
<!-- unsupported codecs will be transcoded to mpegts with mpeg2video and ac3 audio -->
 -<Video targetACodec="ac3" targetVCodec="mpeg2video" targetContainer="mpegts"> <Matches container="asf"/> <Matches container="flv"/> <Matches container="ogg"/> <Matches container="wtv"/> <Matches vCodec="dvvideo" container="avi"/>
post #3044 of 3995
Thanks for the info and prompt response.
Dave
P.S. - I am relaxed, Just finished my second beer and getting ready to open a bottle of wine and then watch the World Match Play Championship. It can't get any better than that ...... can it?smile.gif
post #3045 of 3995
I am running Serviio with the Bravia 2012 profile for my BDP-S590. I am trying to get DTS-HD MA to play from either a m2ts or mkv file but the best I can get is Dolby D. Is it possible to get DTS-HD MA using Serviio or another DLNA server for the 590? Maybe the 590 will only play DTS-HD MA from a Blu-Ray disc.
post #3046 of 3995
it plays dts-hd ma from my mkv just fine. how do you get dolby d out of dts-hd? maybe your file has two audio tracks? If so, use the audio button on remote to switch to the other track.
post #3047 of 3995
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Here's a picture of it:

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Removing all analog outs really cleans up the back panel biggrin.gif! I can't find a picture of the back of the 2013 Panasonics--it's like they think that the lack of analog connections will scare people rolleyes.gif.

The phasing out of the analog outputs concerns me for the reason that that is what I use to output audio to some of my devices such as my cordless headphones and my bluetooth hearing aid streamer. These devices will only accept analog and I cannot patch in a digital audio signal to my avr and then output analog to the wireless headphones.
post #3048 of 3995
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Originally Posted by bmurray716 View Post

The phasing out of the analog outputs concerns me for the reason that that is what I use to output audio to some of my devices such as my cordless headphones and my bluetooth hearing aid streamer. These devices will only accept analog and I cannot patch in a digital audio signal to my avr and then output analog to the wireless headphones.

There are plenty of coax/optical to analog converter out there. The elimination of analog outputs is one thing you have to live with. I only wish all those new AVRs don't come with any analog inputs on them either. That could save a lot of space on the back panel and costs as well because I never use them.
post #3049 of 3995
And then there are those of us who are still annoyed by the dropping of S-Video inputs and outputs. While the market for a full suite of analog i/o connections is diminishing as long-time hi-fi enthusiasts and their one-time cutting-edge equipment depart this vale of tears, it's not down to zero yet.
post #3050 of 3995
Mister Content Provider say, "Gotta plug that analog hole!" rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
post #3051 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

it plays dts-hd ma from my mkv just fine. how do you get dolby d out of dts-hd? maybe your file has two audio tracks? If so, use the audio button on remote to switch to the other track.

The mkv is a Blu-Ray rip using DVDFab and when I check the mkv with MediaInfo it says there is one audio stream and it is DTS-MA. When I stream it using Serviio to the 590 it says Dolby D is coming from the 590 on my AVR. Are you using Serviio to stream in your setup? The original BD gives me DTS-MA but the streaming is not.
post #3052 of 3995
Great discussion. Add cinavia to the discussion - and it describes perfectly why I value my Sony BDP-S1000ES players so much and absolutely refuse to buy one of these newer players.
post #3053 of 3995
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Originally Posted by stu54 View Post

The mkv is a Blu-Ray rip using DVDFab and when I check the mkv with MediaInfo it says there is one audio stream and it is DTS-MA. When I stream it using Serviio to the 590 it says Dolby D is coming from the 590 on my AVR. Are you using Serviio to stream in your setup? The original BD gives me DTS-MA but the streaming is not.

It is not possible to convert DTS-HD MA into Dobly Digital without serious transcoding. I don't use Serviio but I think you have some mis-configuration there. I use DIVX codec with existing Windows 7 media sharing.
post #3054 of 3995
Hey all. I'm just curious if any of you have both the 390 and 590. The first player I bought was the 590. After some quirkiness and Serviio, it managed to do what it had to to stream from my PC. I just bought a 390 ($20 cheaper than a 590 when the only difference I see is that the 590 is 3D capable). But, my question is, with the 390, the interface/menu scrolls rather slow. I do not know if this is normal for the 390 or not. Getting into folders and such is no problem. It just doesn't 'glide smoothly' through the menus like the 590.
post #3055 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Great discussion. Add cinavia to the discussion - and it describes perfectly why I value my Sony BDP-S1000ES players so much and absolutely refuse to buy one of these newer players.

Well, I hope your old player last a really long time.

There is not much to discuss about Cinavia. It is mandated on all new (2012 or later) players. It hardly affects me personally because I don't waste my money to burn the copy to discs. That's so last century. I rip the disc to PC and stream them directly to the player. Cinavia does not affect streaming. I get to skip all the forced commercials at the begining of the disc as well.
post #3056 of 3995
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Originally Posted by chrisr109 View Post

Hey all. I'm just curious if any of you have both the 390 and 590. The first player I bought was the 590. After some quirkiness and Serviio, it managed to do what it had to to stream from my PC. I just bought a 390 ($20 cheaper than a 590 when the only difference I see is that the 590 is 3D capable). But, my question is, with the 390, the interface/menu scrolls rather slow. I do not know if this is normal for the 390 or not. Getting into folders and such is no problem. It just doesn't 'glide smoothly' through the menus like the 590.

790 will be even faster than 590 because it comes with beefier hardware like dual-core processor etc. There will be hardware differences between these lines for the sake of costs.
post #3057 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Cinavia does not affect streaming.

Are you sure about that? Some threads in the htpc forum indicate otherwise. Players without cinavia like xbmc and jriver seem to be ok, but other blu-ray licensed streamers do seem to be affected.

edit: nevermind I see you are in those threads smile.gif
Edited by sievers - 2/22/13 at 11:31am
post #3058 of 3995
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

It is not possible to convert DTS-HD MA into Dobly Digital without serious transcoding. I don't use Serviio but I think you have some mis-configuration there. I use DIVX codec with existing Windows 7 media sharing.

Yeah I have been playing around with XBMC media player and Serviio and XBMC is seeing the right DTS-HD audio from Serviio. I have tried some different profiles on Serviio for the 590. I can get my sample mts files to play on the 590 as DTS-HD but not the mkv file. Meanwhile the mkv file plays on XBMC through Serviio with DTS-HD. So it is definitely the Serviio profile for the Sony player. I will try Windows 8 media sharing.
post #3059 of 3995
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Originally Posted by sievers View Post

Are you sure about that? Some threads in the htpc forum indicate otherwise. Players without cinavia like xbmc and jriver seem to be ok, but other blu-ray licensed streamers do seem to be affected.

edit: nevermind I see you are in those threads smile.gif

You are mistaken the Blu Ray player I was referring to here with PC Blu Ray playback software. The current generation of BD players, Oppo or this Sony, share the same chipset limitation that can only apply Cinavia detection on discs, not on streaming contents. I'm sure Sony knows about this and will like to close this loophole. But it seems to be a limitation on hardware (PS3 does Cinavia detection on streaming content). Next generation player, I'm not so sure.
post #3060 of 3995
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

790 will be even faster than 590 because it comes with beefier hardware like dual-core processor etc. There will be hardware differences between these lines for the sake of costs.

Quite honestly Foxbat, thats more marketing babble that real life experience. I've seen very little evidence of anything faster on the 790. I almost think that the only reason why it had that was that the chipset supported the 4k up-scaling ... and thats the only reason.
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