Official Sony BDP-S590 and BDP-390 Thread - Page 104

Actually, analog audio might be a deal-breaker for me -- at some point I need to replace the player in my bedroom and I figure I might as well move up to Blu-ray now that the players are inexpensive. But because I want tolerable sound without a whole separate receiver &c. (and because I want a headphone jack! why have those ceased to exist?), I was thinking I'd just get a set of decent 2.1 PC speakers for the audio duties. But that's a separate discussion than the problems I'm currently having with the 590. I sent a note to Sony, so now I'm waiting to hear back from them.

And per advice from Sony, I tried doing a full factory reset; if nothing else, that meant it was able to recognize the USB drive again, but we'll see what happens when I drop in a disc.

I tried that and still no watch list/instant queue. It switches from the Canadian to American Netflix no problem but neither has the queue.

Thanks again!

Found another MKV playback quirk on S590. Apparently, the BDP refuses to play any H.264 video stream tagged as having HD AVC High Profile L5.0 / L5.1 compression level and just gives the usual "The file is corrupt or unsupported" error message. This happens even if the player is actually capable of decoding the stream. An easy workaround is to change the tag to High@L4.0 or L4.1 in H264/AVC Level Editor.

Quick follow-up in case anyone else is having similar issues -- per the email from Sony tech support I did a full factory reset and so far that seems to have solved the problem -- at least I haven't had any issues over the course of a couple evenings of normal use. Fortunately the only major thing I lost was my Netflix login details which were easy enough to reenter.

Hey guys, got a question, I am currently paying for Road Runner Lightning at 60Mbps down. I was always able to use netflix, vudu, etc when I was paying for 30 Mbps down. Is there any reason why i should continue to pay for the extra speed, when most things will work fine at half the speed? I had gotten this upgrade because i had video streaming in mind, and eventually sharing my own content etc. but for now i'm mainly just using sites like youtube, or google, ore Facebook, maybe twitter. and services like Netflix, Amazon VOD, VUDU, etc. Are there any technology leaps coming up anytime soon going to force extreme speed for these things? I'm just trying to balance what I pay for, and not over pay for what I don't use. That's why i'm asking how long will it be with today's technology, that i'll ever really use all the speed i'm paying for.

Thanks, I would like to hear feedback from people who do heavy streaming, downloading, etc.

I do NOT game, so that area does not apply to me, if I do play games, they're usually classic arcade games, so nothing like online gaming, or even networked gaming.

Unless you're sharing the connection with a few other people who'll use it simultaneously, IMHO there is no reason to keep 60 Mbps service.

Of the services you listed, Vudu requires the most bandwidth, topping out at 9Mbps (HDX). If you stream only one thing at a time, with a little headroom for phone and misc web browsing, then about 12Mbps is the most you'd ever need. If there are 6 people in your house streaming different Vudu programs at the highest quality, then you'd need 60Mbps. Otherwise, if streaming video is your only requirement, then 60, or even 30 is overkill at this time. When a technology leap occurs, it probably won't be huge and probably won't require anything near 60Mbps for a long time. Even if it were possible to stream a blu-ray disc at the maximum data rate, that's only 54Mbps. New things on the horizon include 4k video and possibly some 3D version of that, but that's pretty far down the road.

Thank you for the feedback, currently my regular network consists of:

1. Macbook
2 blu-ray players sony BDP-S590, one for the bedroom one for the living room. (I usually only use one at a time).
3. my iPhone
4 my wireless and internet ready HP printer.

The only thing i do at the same time is stream a movie, and download, either from youtube, or software. (the most heavy use at one time)

The other use i do is occasionally share images, screenshots etc. but I was told I could get by ok with 1, or 2 Mbps up and don't need 5 for light use.

My options are:
go back to the turbo plan i had which is 20 to 30 Mbps down 1 to 2 Mbps up
or i coud go back down to 10Mbps down, and the same up, I was leaning toward going back to road runner turbo, because it seemed like 10 was too slow sometimes. and until i have a family, or have a lot of peole over with their own devices, this would be for only one person (me).

The other thing is, the 5Mbps up seems to help with uploading to youbute and Facebook, and that is another thing I am keeping in mind, If i plan to share stuff I produce, should I keep the faster upload speed to help in video uploads? I'm thinking yes, but what would you guys recommend ?

Thanks!

Hey everyone!

Just got a 390 today to replace an LG 670. My issue is I can't get any videos to play via DLNA from my Buffalo Linkstation Pro NAS. Discs play fine, I can play videos from a USB drive, but every video I try to stream from the NAS tells me it's corrupted. And these are all videos that played on the LG. The main reason I'm dumping the LG is it's a bit... flaky. Random reboots, etc. The Sony has been rock solid with some stuff that the LG definitely hung up on, but the NAS thing is one of the few things the LG never had much trouble with. And it's something I use quite often, so it may be a dealbreaker.

Any suggestions? The 390 software is up to date. I did see a couple of posts from late last year about a Buffalo LS Pro with a 590, but the issue there was the player not even recognizing the DLNA server.

Thanks!

My inclination would be to stay with the 20-30 plan, but that may just be me . 10 Mbps seems too restrictive, even if it's usually enough. Another thing to consider is if your provider has speed-based bandwidth caps. I'm with Cox and they do that--my 25/5 Mbps plan has a 300 GB combined cap, but I never upload anything bigger than e-mail (my housemate may occasionally use FaceTime on his phone or iPad, but rarely. From what I can tell searching, TWC isn't doing caps yet, though they were trying out some strange incentive thing where if you agreed to stay under 5 GB they'd take $5 off your bill; any overage would be $1/GB, $25 max.

Your patience with media uploads is something only you can determine. Do you ever have to upload something urgently?

I use Bright House Networks, here in Florida, I just called them and went back down to Roadrunner turbo. I don't have caps. I am on a 30 Mbps down and a little over 2Mbps up now. Seems very solid, and i got $30 bucks off the bill.

They also no longer have the 20, so i'm getting about 33 Mbps down average, and about 2.23 up give or take, trying netflix HD without issues, youtube has no issues with HD, so I think i'll be good for a single person right now.

This isn't too bacd, the lightning plan i started with was 40 Mbps down then they gave me an upgrade to 60. Overall as a single person I haven't felt a difference.

The Sony is a bit finicky with the container/codec combinations it supports. See the first post in this thread. Probably either your NAS is converting to something unsupported or the files are unsupported to begin with.

I'd suggest dropping down from "lighting" which I think is now called Ultimate, down to Extreme. It is 30 down/ 5 up. Depending on your local pricing it should be $10 less a month.

http://www.timewarnercable.com/en/residential-home/internet/plans.html

Thanks for this info - I've not had any problems playing video content, just the audio. Quite odd it doesn't support True-HD but it supports DD just fine.

Thanks

Ben

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly certain ONLY HDMI cables will pass DTS-MA and TrueHD signals. If you run audio to the TV and then to the receiver IT WON't WORK. TV downgrades signal to DD.

Is there no way/hack to get youtube videos working in high quality on this thing like there is on the PS3?

Also, I have problems loading certain videos of longer length (movie length) on Vimeo. Haven't been able to play North By Northwest for example.

As far as I know you are correct.

Actually, in the scenario you describe, likely will result in stereo as most tv's will only output stereo (i.e., 2-channel) audio.

Toslink (optical) or coax (digital) can only carry up to 5.1 audio signal AFAIK. Higher audio signal like the ones you mention need hdmi to transmit the signal in the original format.

I dropped down from lightning to turbo (brighthouse networks package names) and the only way to get 5 up is via lightning, but turbo gives me up to 2.5 up so it's not enough to make me complain about the downgrade. If i find i have extra cash to put into it, and find i need the extra upload, i can always go back since it's not a contract based service. Thanks guys for the feedback and help!

Hey guys. I'm semi new to the whole video codec arena but am fairly adequate with converting movies and such. I bought a Sony S390 and am using the Asus N66U wifi router which has a external harddrive connected to it. I have the blu ray player upstairs and most movies are "File is corrupted or unsupported". Ive read through most of the posts regarding the s390 being picky with codecs but still am bewildered or unsure as to why one movie will play and the other will not. When I look at the one movie which does work in G-Spot it doesn't show any codecs of any sort....





However, the movie that does not work has codecs in the Video section of Gspot. Here's the data from MediaInfo regarding the two movies, one works , one doesnt.

This one WORKS:

General
Complete name : J:\VIDEOS\Looper.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 4.44 GiB
Duration : 1h 58mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 5 342 Kbps
Movie name : Looper 2012 By 3Li
Writing application : Lavf52.94.0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1h 58mn
Bit rate : 5 096 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 544 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.35:1
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.864 fps
Minimum frame rate : 12.000 fps
Maximum frame rate : 24.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.307
Stream size : 4.11 GiB (93%)
Writing library : x264 core 112 r1834 a51816a
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0 / me=dia / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=5096 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 1h 58mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : 42ms
Stream size : 326 MiB (7%)

This one DOES NOT WORK:

General
Complete name : J:\VIDEOS\Idiocracy.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 3.79 GiB
Duration : 1h 24mn
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 6 438 Kbps
Movie name : Idiocracy
Writing application : Lavf52.94.0
Xtra : WM/MediaClassPrimaryID

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Baseline@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1h 24mn
Bit rate : 6 288 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.864 fps
Minimum frame rate : 12.000 fps
Maximum frame rate : 24.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.127
Stream size : 3.69 GiB (97%)
Writing library : x264 core 112 r1834 a51816a
Encoding settings : cabac=0 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=6288 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.00

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 1h 24mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 160 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 96.4 MiB (2%)

I honestly cannot figure out what the difference is between the two of them other than the difference I noted when viewing it in G-Spot. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

Just purchased a BDP-S390, and we've been using it for a few days now. It works just fine so far, although we have encountered a few problems. Like the PS3 that was used as a media player before it, it can't read the Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl DVD that we've owned for years now, even though several computers are able to read the disc just fine in their respective DVD or Blu-ray/DVD combo drives. That's not a big problem, really, but sort of a bigger problem:

Parents recently tried to watch an episode of The X-Files from their complete series DVD box set, and while my mom was in another room, my dad decided to try to back the video up a bit in case mom missed anything, and he accidentally hit the chapter skip button instead. After skipping back to the beginning of the chapter a couple of times, skipping back a chapter or two, then attempting to skip forward a chapter or two to return to the same spot, it stopped playing the disc altogether. Now, when that exact disc is inserted, it will play, but it can't seek up to the same chapter where it last left off.

Insert X-Files Season 7, disc 3, select the last episode on the disc, X-Cops, then any attempt to use chapter selection to play chapter 13, Contagion, and the S390 will sit there seeking back and forth, occasionally making a loud noise, and stop responding to anything. In fact, powering the player off will shut off the display and change the input source of the attached HDMI display, but the player will continue making seeking noises until the mains power is removed. The disc cannot be ejected during this seeking operation, but only after the player is powered off and back on.

The same disc and chapter seek operation is verified to work in both my desktop PC with LG BD-RW/DVD-RW combo drive with InterVideo WinDVD, and also a PS3 slim.

The menu claims the player is already running up-to-date firmware, so I don't suppose it's that.

The DLNA server on most routers are useless for this player. The player not only picky about video codec but also DLNA server.

DivX playback by changing FOURCC ???

I tried the trick of changing the FourCC code for a divx file to "xvid/XVID". Alas, it does not play back on the S590... It looks like it is about to play, but hangs forever at time 00:00:00.
The firmware is M12.R.0430.

Can anyone confirm that FourCC'd divx files are working with the S590 with the 0430 firmware?

Has anyone tried to stream a 3D mkv or m2ts via DLNA? Will it display as 3D (I don't have a 3D TV yet or I would try it myself)?

By "powered off and back on." do you mean that you used the front-panel button or do you mean that you unplugged it from the wall? If you haven't unplugged the player, try that. The front panel button only puts the player into standby mode and does not fully disconnect the power from the player.

A few other things to try are
1. the menu option "reset to factory defaults"
2. remove any USB memory stick/thumb drive
3. unplug the player from the network while playing a problematic disc.

Oi Slix, tudo bem.
Tb comprei um S590 nos E.U.A e preciso desbloquear a região 4. vc conseguiu? O método pelo controle universal funciona? Obrigado.

Oi Slix, tudo bem.
Tb comprei um S590 nos E.U.A e preciso desbloquear a região 4. vc conseguiu? O método pelo controle universal funciona? Obrigado.

Thanks. Sorry for my 3D ignorance but is that what you would get by ripping most Blu-rays?

By the way, I finally ripped one of my Blu-rays with VC1 and TrueHD audio to .m2ts. Streaming it (DLNA) with no conversion both the 590 and my Onkyo AVR report TrueHD 5.1 audio so TrueHD streaming is possible.