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post #3781 of 3999
Below are my answers to replies that were made with regard to my original post which is located here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396469/official-sony-bdp-s590-and-bdp-390-thread/3690#post_23831406




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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Port 80 means only regular HTTP traffic can go through. Anything that requires login probably won't go through. So are the any other traffic. What are you possible to gain by doing this kind of filtering? Internet does not mean port 80 only.
Of coarse I know port 80 is not the only port needed. My Gateway device is not an "off the shelf" piece of equipment. It has to be manually configured to allow ANY and ALL traffic. I posted here to see if anyone knows what other ports and/or protocols needs to be allowed for this unit to be fully functional.

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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

While I agree that firewalling a blu-ray player makes absolutely no sense (what possible damage could hackers do to a blu-ray player anyway), the OP can easily update via disc.
This player is behind the firewall because it's connected to a switch that is behind the firewall. I would have to run a new cable, reconfigure and create a DMZ in order to bypass the filtering of the gateway device. None of that should be necessary and would be more trouble that it's worth in IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I don't think he only has problem with updating the firmware. None of his streaming apps work.
Correct.

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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Maybe I'm reading too much into his original post. But I gather that he's had his player firewalled forever, hence doesn't care about streaming. He just noted that upon further investigation after a failed update attempt, that streaming didn't work either. So I still think his main goal is updating, not streaming, so no solution to his streaming problem is required.

Jeffshead, is that about right, or am I way off base?
Correct. The Sony has always been behind a firewall and everything used to work just fine including watching streams from the Internet.


I finally found the solution. I had to allow incoming PING's on the gateway device. A while back, I reconfigured my UTM device to tighten security and that was one of the things that I had changed. I forgot about changing that setting and I did not think the Sony would require incoming PING's to function since every other device and application on my network works just fine. Everything on the Sony works again since changing that setting.

So for anyone else that can access the Internet through the Sony but cannot stream or update, check the ICMP settings on your router/gateway/firewall.

Thanks guys for the replies smile.gif
Edited by jeffshead - 10/31/13 at 5:02am
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Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

[quote name="apw2607" url="/t/1396469/official-sony-bdp-s590-and-bdp-390-thread/3750#post_23894189"]No to extended color support[/quote]According to the Sony specification for the BDP-S390 player deep color 16 bits is accommodated.http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/product/BDP-S390/specificationsSound and Vision article: xvYCC and Deep Colorhttp://www.soundandvision.com/content/xvycc-and-deep-colorIn 2006, Sony launched BRAVIA, the world's first LCD television based on the xvYCC standard. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/xvycc_01.html

I haven't seen anyone suggest here that the x90 players don't support Deep Color. What has been stated is that the player does not take advantage of the 'expanded color' which the new 'Mastered in 4k' discs are designed to be compatible with.

It has been suggested that 'expanded color' is the same as xvYCC:

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/blu-ray-review-spider-man-mastered-4k-version

However, others have suggested that the 'expanded color' on these discs incorporates proprietary Sony technology. Here is a thread which touches on this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473134/sony-master-in-4k-blu-rays-on-our-projectors-enhanced-colors

My understanding is that the new discs can be played on any standard Blu-ray player and should look fine, you may see better clarity as compared to previous editions of the title due to cleaner transfers and higher bit-rate encoding. However, I have noy seen any indication that the x90 players take advantage of the 'expanded color' feature of these new discs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and or cite better references if available.
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

I haven't seen anyone suggest here that the x90 players don't support Deep Color. What has been stated is that the player does not take advantage of the 'expanded color' which the new 'Mastered in 4k' discs are designed to be compatible with.

It has been suggested that 'expanded color' is the same as xvYCC:

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/blu-ray-review-spider-man-mastered-4k-version

However, others have suggested that the 'expanded color' on these discs incorporates proprietary Sony technology. Here is a thread which touches on this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473134/sony-master-in-4k-blu-rays-on-our-projectors-enhanced-colors

My understanding is that the new discs can be played on any standard Blu-ray player and should look fine, you may see better clarity as compared to previous editions of the title due to cleaner transfers and higher bit-rate encoding. However, I have noy seen any indication that the x90 players take advantage of the 'expanded color' feature of these new discs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong and or cite better references if available.

On January 7, 2013, Sony announced that it would release "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Disc titles which are sourced at 4K and encoded at 1080p. "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Disc titles can be played on existing Blu-ray Disc players and will support a larger color space using xvYCC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XvYCC
Edited by johanverschuren - 10/31/13 at 8:59am
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by johanverschuren View Post

On January 7, 2013, Sony announced that it would release "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Disc titles which are sourced at 4K and encoded at 1080p. "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Disc titles can be played on existing Blu-ray Disc players and will support a larger color space using xvYCC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XvYCC

Yea, think they got that wrong. Its only the x100 series that can take advantage of Trilumous when encoded on a mastered for 4K disk.
post #3785 of 3999
FWIW, the back-cover text on my copy of After Earth says that it is "mastered in 4K" and "Expanded color requires xvYCC-compatible TV and Blu-ray player."

There's no mention of Triluminos. As best I can determine from Sony's advertising copy, that's just a feature of Sony TV backpanel lighting which causes their colors to be brighter, not a color encoding technology.
post #3786 of 3999
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

FWIW, the back-cover text on my copy of After Earth says that it is "mastered in 4K" and "Expanded color requires xvYCC-compatible TV and Blu-ray player."

There's no mention of Triluminos. As best I can determine from Sony's advertising copy, that's just a feature of Sony TV backpanel lighting which causes their colors to be brighter, not a color encoding technology.
TRILUMINOS Display LED backlighting is used in the XBR 4K LED TVs to present rich, authentic color with subtle tones while also replicating bold colors including hard-to-reproduce reds and greens. By integrating QD Vision’s Color IQTM* optical component with Sony’s unique display technologies, these televisions achieve significantly wider color gamut and provide a far more natural and vivid viewing experience with a heightened sense of depth. This wider color gamut also enriches and improves picture quality of personal content captured on compatible Sony digital cameras and camcorders compatible with TRILUMINOS Color, which contains wide-color gamut information in its content.

Furthermore, Sony offers Blu-ray Disc players compatible with TRILUMINOS Color, allowing consumers to fully enjoy Blu-ray content shot in wide and rich color.

https://blog.sony.com/press/sony-announces-2013-bravia-tvs/
post #3787 of 3999
Normal BluRay movies encoding video in YCbCr using standard 16-235 limited range. Sony's 4K mastered BD encodes extra color information into BTB (0 to 15) and WTW (236-255) region. So, there is no changes to BD authoring process, format or bitrates (although these BDs typically use highest possible bitrates). To most players, they will simply throw away the BTB and WTW information and display normal encoding of the movie. It will require special BD firmware to read the extra color information in BTB and WTW and reconstruct the xvColor copy of the movie.

This is the separate process than the normal deep color support on most modern players which is a HDMI specification and most players simply upconvert from existing BD movie's 8-bit per channel color space into 12-bit or 16-bit per channel color space. It is very much like upconversion of DVD movie into HD resolution. It looks slight better but doesn't contain any new information.

So, unless a BD player is specifically designed to process the extra color information stored in the movie, it won't show the benefit of the new color gamut.
post #3788 of 3999

I have searched and haven't been able to find a solution...I have a S590 and am trying to run Disney WOW Pixel Flipper but my S590 will not play it more than 25-30 minutes. The player just shuts down. I have updated the firmware, unplugged multiple times, reset to factory (before and after update), it is not plugged into power strip now but direct. It just won't play longer than 30 min. I am now playing regular Blu Ray content to see if it will shut off while play other disc's. I don't use the S590 often as we have Dish, Prime, Netflix, etc. It was purchased in January.

 

Any help would be appreciated as I need to play the pixel flipper to help correct heavy IR in my Pana Plasma. Thanks!

post #3789 of 3999
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

Has anyone been having issues with buffering and Netflix on the S590 (latest firmware from the 24th) for the past week?

Is anyone else experiencing this recently?

Thanks.

Just wanted to chime-in that I'm experiencing the same issue as yourself. I'm a little late, but I just wanted to be sure before I posted about this Netflix issue after the latest firmware update. Hope the people at Sony are addressing this!
post #3790 of 3999
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Originally Posted by imanalien View Post

I have searched and haven't been able to find a solution...I have a S590 and am trying to run Disney WOW Pixel Flipper but my S590 will not play it more than 25-30 minutes. The player just shuts down. I have updated the firmware, unplugged multiple times, reset to factory (before and after update), it is not plugged into power strip now but direct. It just won't play longer than 30 min. I am now playing regular Blu Ray content to see if it will shut off while play other disc's. I don't use the S590 often as we have Dish, Prime, Netflix, etc. It was purchased in January.

Any help would be appreciated as I need to play the pixel flipper to help correct heavy IR in my Pana Plasma. Thanks!

I believe that's the auto-sleep/shutdown feature of the player. I don't remember there is anyway to disable it. There are some complaints about it in the past.
post #3791 of 3999
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I believe that's the auto-sleep/shutdown feature of the player. I don't remember there is anyway to disable it. There are some complaints about it in the past.

Right, but it shouldn't shut down if its playing content.
post #3792 of 3999
It depends on how it detects the idle, e.g. if a content only has video, no audio. I saw couple posts about it in the past, all while playing a movie.
post #3793 of 3999

The latest firmware for the S590 has improved the HDMI CEC support.  A couple of months ago I complained about the S590 ignoring HDMI CEC commands while the Netflix app was running.  The latest firmware fixes that issue.

 

I am using a Raspberry Pi with the libcec library to send CEC commands to the S590.  In case anyone is curious, here are some of the non-obvious mappings of the S590 remote buttons to CEC UI commands.

 

S590 Remote Button CEC Remote Control Pass Through UI Command
   
Top Menu Reserved 0x10
Pop Up Menu Contents Menu
Return  Clear
Options Setup Menu
Home Root Menu
Subtitle Sub Picture
Display Display Information
Prev (Chapter) Backward
Next (Chapter) Forward

 

 

PB

post #3794 of 3999
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post


I believe that's the auto-sleep/shutdown feature of the player. I don't remember there is anyway to disable it. There are some complaints about it in the past.

 

I just found something on that...and unfortunately that was the conclusion.

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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post


Right, but it shouldn't shut down if its playing content.

It is playing content, not idle, but it is not normal content...

 

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

It depends on how it detects the idle, e.g. if a content only has video, no audio. I saw couple posts about it in the past, all while playing a movie.

There does not seem to be any audio in the Pixel Flipper...

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Originally Posted by imanalien View Post

It is playing content, not idle, but it is not normal content...

If it's actually playing content from the disc (its in PLAY state with the playback time display counting up continously) and not just outputting something to the screen driven by BD Java code then it should never go into idle screen, no matter how abnormal the content on the disc is.

If its running a BDJ program the player will assume that it's just sitting in the disc's menus.
post #3796 of 3999
With the latest firmware release update to version M11.R.0493 for the BDP-S390 blu-ray player I noticed that the colors have slightly been improved with more detail and maybe Sony has made the BDP-S390 player compatible with 4K Mastered Blu-rays. There is no information or statement from Sony which players are now compatible with 4K Mastered blu-ray discs.

I have standard BDs with bitrates up to 60Mbps playing on the BDP-S390. Well done Sony!

My BDP-S5000ES player is limited to 40 Mbps. Time for a firmware update to keep up with the pace.
Edited by johanverschuren - 11/19/13 at 9:14am
post #3797 of 3999
Latest Firmware update for the 590 is M12.R.0497
(and for the 370 -- M03.R.794).
post #3798 of 3999
Anybody know if it brings any significant improvements? I moved my Panasonic DMP-BDT230 to my primary viewing location due to problems with my S-590's YouTube app and lack of subtitles on Amazon Prime.
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Sony BDP-S590 - won't advance to next video

After burning a home video (a discreet series of Zumba dances) I can't get the BDP-S590 to advance to the next 'video track' i.e. dance ... gives an 'this operation is currently prohibited for this disc'. HELP!!!

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Originally Posted by Edgar_in_Indy View Post

Anybody know if it brings any significant improvements? I moved my Panasonic DMP-BDT230 to my primary viewing location due to problems with my S-590's YouTube app and lack of subtitles on Amazon Prime.

The New YouTube app issues have been resolved and it works normally now. Don't have Amazon Prime so I can comment on if subtitles were added recently.
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Originally Posted by ndthomas View Post

After burning a home video (a discreet series of Zumba dances)

You're just gonna leave that hanging out there??? What a tease! Com'on, we wanna see that dancing!
post #3802 of 3999
Thread Starter 
Sony haven't updated the amazon app across any of their products, including the BD players for a long time. No subtitle support.
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I just made the discovery on my player not being able to play 50Hz. Has anyone tested the UK Firmware on the US Player to achieve 50hz playback?

post #3804 of 3999
You cannot apply different region firmware on players.

S~
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Coasterghost View Post

I just made the discovery on my player not being able to play 50Hz. Has anyone tested the UK Firmware on the US Player to achieve 50hz playback?

You can however create a backup of said media in a m2ts file and then play it on your USA player, it will play the 50hz material just fine and send it to your tv at 60hz.
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Does anyone else have their S590 connected to the internet via FiOS and have issues using BD-Live features. I get a message that says the content is not available in my area (i.e. it thinks I'm not in the US).
I've gotten this message from numerous discs sold from a few different studios so I don't think it's an isolated disc issue.

I talked to Sony support regarding the issue and they walked me through a couple of their checks and said it showed me in the correct US TimeZone. However, the wesite I used to check told a thought I was in GMT.
Also, Sony support is not always on the ball when it comes to fessing up on their products shortcomings. So was looking to see if other AVS members have similar issues.

Any input is appreciated.
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Could it be a TV connected via HDMI control. The TV actually has the auto turn off...because the volume button hasn't been depressed for 30 minutes it turns off and then tells the BR players to turn of. Or any other piece of equipment for that matter with HDMI control?
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

If it's actually playing content from the disc (its in PLAY state with the playback time display counting up continously) and not just outputting something to the screen driven by BD Java code then it should never go into idle screen, no matter how abnormal the content on the disc is.

If its running a BDJ program the player will assume that it's just sitting in the disc's menus.
post #3809 of 3999
Figured I'd ask the same question about a year later now.

Have the S590 - Haven't even been able to get mkv or m2ts files to play via USB with subtitles. It's fine when playing a disc, but not via USB. I use DVDfab, could that be the reason...bad encoder or is this a known issue with the S590. Further, has there been any improvement to the implementation of .mkv files. I know before they couldn't play with TrueHD for Audio or VC-1 for video, is that the same? I have ripped all my videos into .m2ts files as that seems to be able to play them but like I said before, without subtitles which sometimes is fine but other times sucks, like Avatar for example. Try to watch Avatar without subtitles, it's brutal!!
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Originally Posted by bmcelvan View Post

Have the S590 - Haven't even been able to get mkv or m2ts files to play via USB with subtitles. It's fine when playing a disc, but not via USB. I use DVDfab, could that be the reason...bad encoder or is this a known issue with the S590.

Text-based subtitles work fine, but DVDFab rips bitmap-based subtitle tracks from BDs, which are not supported.
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