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post #3811 of 3992
Hi, just saw this. So real quick I want to make HD quality files with HD audio, HD video subtitles, etc. The Sony BDP-S590 seems to be able to play m2ts files just fine and mkv with restrictions. So, if I extract the HD audio stream, the HD video stream, the chapters and the subtites (and then converted to SRT) can I use tsmuxer to put them all in an .m2ts file just like using MKVmerge to make a .mkv file?

Thanks

Ben

If I extract the subtites, audio, video, chapters
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Why not use make MKV and just create a MKV from the content? Depending on the original video - if its mpeg 2 or VC-1 you'll need to drop it into a m2ts using tsmuxer.

Way better than re-encoding the video.
post #3812 of 3992
Thread Starter 
You might be able to get this to work using just the external srt file if you used Serviio.
I've not played around with this feature however

http://www.serviio.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33
post #3813 of 3992
Interesting observation tonight on the "Netflix Issue" with my 590 and the latest firmware. I was wanting to see what resolution the display was at while watching a TV show. It said 384SD, but it was at least 720HD - so something is going on here.

But the Netflix issue still remains with it dropping down to 720HD, 480SD, 384SD etc... mad.gif
post #3814 of 3992

Sony S590 and Amazon Video

I found an interesting problem with Amazon Instant Video.  I primarily use the Sony for internet video streaming.  I recently bought a Samsung "smart" TV that also has video streaming. The Sony is connected to a different TV.  I was surprised one day to find that when I looked at the "New additions" to Amazon Prime I saw a different list on the Samsung than the Sony. If I check my watch list the titles are the same but not the new additions.  I would never have know this if I had not gotten the Samsung.  Amazon tech support could not explain why that was.  I now go to the Samsung to see what is new and add it to my watch list.

post #3815 of 3992
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Originally Posted by andy416us View Post

Interesting observation tonight on the "Netflix Issue" with my 590 and the latest firmware. I was wanting to see what resolution the display was at while watching a TV show. It said 384SD, but it was at least 720HD - so something is going on here.

But the Netflix issue still remains with it dropping down to 720HD, 480SD, 384SD etc... mad.gif

My Netflix content looks like total crap!! Is it hosed? I am definately not getting 1080. It is more like 480SD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mad.gif
post #3816 of 3992
I have a BX59 (590), and when I try to play videos off the internet using the built in web browser, its always asking me to update FLASH to the latest version and wont play the videos. I am guessing there is no way to update FLASH, or does someone have a way I havent seen?

Makes the web browser rather useless if its not up to date. Web sites seem to like upgrading every two weeks, and lock out older versions (which would probably still work). Kind of ticks me off.
post #3817 of 3992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Davenlr View Post

I have a BX59 (590), and when I try to play videos off the internet using the built in web browser, its always asking me to update FLASH to the latest version and wont play the videos. I am guessing there is no way to update FLASH, or does someone have a way I havent seen?

Makes the web browser rather useless if its not up to date. Web sites seem to like upgrading every two weeks, and lock out older versions (which would probably still work). Kind of ticks me off.

The browser doesn't support flash so there's nothing to update. Just a standard flash error message when the flash plugin is not present. If you would like a BD player that supports flash, check out the 2013 samsung players
post #3818 of 3992
Does anyone know if the 590 is going to get the new Netflix Experience?
post #3819 of 3992
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it. It shipped in February or March of 2012, some 20-21 months ago. It should be in maintenance mode, in which it only gets bug fixes. Changing Netflix creates the risk of adding more bugs to the system which they'd have to pay to fix.

The shame of it is that they've apparently replaced Webkit with a custom page layout/rendering engine optimized for their application; if the older devices got that code their Netflix player UIs would probably be more responsive.
post #3820 of 3992
hey all, I have a minor issue with the Smurfs 2 blu-ray on the 590, that i can fix, but i'm curious as to if anyone has it as well.

My player is directly connected to the TV, no AVR involved. I had the player set to bitstream, and when the disc would start, audio was fine, then when I would skip the previews audio would be gone on the menu, and movie. The menu says it's english LPCM 2.0 audio, the default audio for the movie is DTS Master Audio 5.1.

If i stopped the movie, and restarted it, then the audio would return with no issues. Going into audio settings and changing bitstream to downmix PCM, seems to elminate the issue completely.

On the 3100, the issue doesn't happen at all. Any ideas as to why only one player does it, and there is only the TV for audio? I've had the same minor issue on a 1 or 2 other discs. I should try my 570, to see if it has the same issue.

Anyway I just wanted to get feedback to see if this is a known issue.

Thanks.
post #3821 of 3992
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

hey all, I have a minor issue with the Smurfs 2 blu-ray on the 590, that i can fix, but i'm curious as to if anyone has it as well.

My player is directly connected to the TV, no AVR involved. I had the player set to bitstream, and when the disc would start, audio was fine, then when I would skip the previews audio would be gone on the menu, and movie. The menu says it's english LPCM 2.0 audio, the default audio for the movie is DTS Master Audio 5.1.

If i stopped the movie, and restarted it, then the audio would return with no issues. Going into audio settings and changing bitstream to downmix PCM, seems to elminate the issue completely.

On the 3100, the issue doesn't happen at all. Any ideas as to why only one player does it, and there is only the TV for audio? I've had the same minor issue on a 1 or 2 other discs. I should try my 570, to see if it has the same issue.

Anyway I just wanted to get feedback to see if this is a known issue.

Thanks.

Are you testing the 570 with the same TV set as the 3100 and with both players configured with the same audio settings? Either way, it sounds like the TV and/or player or having difficulty negotiating the bitstreamed audio when the audio on the disc transitions from one format to another.

Without an AVR, your TV is going to have to use the downmixed audio for surround soundtracks, so you are probably better off keeping the downmix setting on.
post #3822 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Are you testing the 570 with the same TV set as the 3100 and with both players configured with the same audio settings? Either way, it sounds like the TV and/or player or having difficulty negotiating the bitstreamed audio when the audio on the disc transitions from one format to another.

Without an AVR, your TV is going to have to use the downmixed audio for surround soundtracks, so you are probably better off keeping the downmix setting on.

OK, Here are my observations:
The TVs aren't at fault, it seems to be a player issue.

Both the 570, and 590 are connected to the same tv they also both have audio options of bitstream or down mix to PCM. The 570 has similar options, the 3100 has different audio setup it has auto, or PCM, when set to auto, it handles this ok, it's on a different TV, when the other two players are set to PCM this particular transition goes ok. So my conclusion is, because the disc contains LPCM audio the one who can auto switch to PCM when needed can detect the audio ok, the other two have to force PCM to take care of it . Seems strange to use LPCM on a disc menu, most are dolby or DTS so i guess that's why only this disc has the issue.
post #3823 of 3992
Exactly what models of TV is connected to what model of disc player?
What model of speaker systems do they have?

TVs can't handle DTS at all, only PCM or Dolby Digital. TV stations with multichannel audio are required to use DD, so there's no incentive for any TV manufacturer to waste money on DTS decoder licensing. If you're using a soundbar witn an HDMI connection to the TV, however, the soundbar might include a DTS decoder.
post #3824 of 3992
Not quite. Some TVs are starting to have DTS decoders (i.e. LG). Many services are planning to add DTS.

S~
post #3825 of 3992
Good point. I wasn't thinking of streaming services.
post #3826 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Exactly what models of TV is connected to what model of disc player?
What model of speaker systems do they have?

TVs can't handle DTS at all, only PCM or Dolby Digital. TV stations with multichannel audio are required to use DD, so there's no incentive for any TV manufacturer to waste money on DTS decoder licensing. If you're using a soundbar witn an HDMI connection to the TV, however, the soundbar might include a DTS decoder.

The two older sony players 590/570 are used with a:
Sony Bravia model: KDL-32EX400
the 3100 and roku 3 are connected to a Panasonic 42" TC-P42U1

Like I mentioned, I've never had an issue with leaving any player set to bitstream when connected to a TV it just worked. If I am understanding correctly, it's best to use PCM with TV connections, even though connected with HDMI, and or a speaker system that doesn't have dolby or DTS decoders?

I have a background in production, but where I got my training i think they just sent audio out in stereo. Not sure what codecs were used.
so all this extra stuff i'm just learning now as I do more with HD, and more advanced things, such as the codecs.
post #3827 of 3992
Unfortunately, I can't provide an exact explanation of what you're experiencing or how to fix it, but here are a few more things to think about.

Another issue that has to be taken into consideration is what kind of speaker systems the TVs are advertising to the players. For example, if the TVs' EDIDs report that they have only stereo speakers, the HDMI protocol requires that the players provide only stereo audio. i.e. the reduction takes place in the player, not the TV. Some TVs report that they have multichannel surround-sound, presumably because they have psycho-acoustic features which can simulate multichannel audio with fewer speakers. It could be that an automatic reduction of the number of audio channels has been happening without you noticing it.

I trust you are aware of the serious audio quality problems exhibited by the speakers in modern TVs. They're much too tiny to be able to provide very good sound, which is why many people (who don't get full surround-sound audio systems) purchase add-on soundbars which contain much better speakers. There are a wide variety of soundbar designs being sold, so you have to be careful to get one which has the features necessary to be compatible with your other equipment.

Edited to add:
If you have a laptop or other computer with an HDMI output, you could connect it to the TVs and find out exactly what capabilities they're advertising in their EDIDs.
post #3828 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Unfortunately, I can't provide an exact explanation of what you're experiencing or how to fix it, but here are a few more things to think about.

Another issue that has to be taken into consideration is what kind of speaker systems the TVs are advertising to the players. For example, if the TVs' EDIDs report that they have only stereo speakers, the HDMI protocol requires that the players provide only stereo audio. i.e. the reduction takes place in the player, not the TV. Some TVs report that they have multichannel surround-sound, presumably because they have psycho-acoustic features which can simulate multichannel audio with fewer speakers. It could be that an automatic reduction of the number of audio channels has been happening without you noticing it.

I trust you are aware of the serious audio quality problems exhibited by the speakers in modern TVs. They're much too tiny to be able to provide very good sound, which is why many people (who don't get full surround-sound audio systems) purchase add-on soundbars which contain much better speakers. There are a wide variety of soundbar designs being sold, so you have to be careful to get one which has the features necessary to be compatible with your other equipment.

Edited to add:
If you have a laptop or other computer with an HDMI output, you could connect it to the TVs and find out exactly what capabilities they're advertising in their EDIDs.

Both TVs could possibly advertise as multi channel, while I run them in stereo mode, both sets do support virtual surround which for blu-ray is acceptable, for stereo sources can often sound distorted hence why i use stereo mode, I do have a sound bar which works, but it's LPCM only and it's either optical, or L/R RCA, so it's no longer compatible with current players so that's why i have two older players around for backward compatibility.

Hope this helps.
post #3829 of 3992
Getting back to your original problem: have you verified that all of the players and TVs have up-to-date firmware?
post #3830 of 3992
Most TVs' EDID will only advise PCM 2.0 support. Some Visio and some newer Sony TVs can have DD 5.1 support in EDID as well so that they can pass it out to its optical audio output, not related to virtualized surround sound effect on TV itself.

So for MacinMan's issue, the Panasonic TV definitely will only support PCM 2.0 audio. The Sony, I have no idea. It may accept DD 5.1 from HDMI.
post #3831 of 3992
My Gear: Panny 55VT50; Yamaha RX-V473; Sony BDP-S590; Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers

Setup: BDP>AVR>TV
CABLE BOX > TV

My question is this...can anyone offer the best audio settings from the S590 home menu to take advantage of my 5.1 surround sound? The reason I'm asking is because it seems that the sound is louder when I switch from the BDP (which runs through the AVR) to the cable box. I estimate a 20% increase in volume from the Cable Box which connects directly to the TV. Better mids...very noticeable.

The speakers are fine & I don't think it is an AVR setting...which only leaves the BDP settings or my connection method (BDP > AVR > TV) which is the recommended setup.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #3832 of 3992
Some AVR's will allow you to adjust the audio level for different sources, so that output levels are the same from source to source. Check your manual, or if you post your make/model here and maybe some helpful person will give you more info.
post #3833 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Edgar_in_Indy View Post

if you post your make/model here and maybe some helpful person will give you more info.
Thanks buddy...I posted make/model at the top of my first post. I've read through the AVR manual a bit and never noticed a way to change volume level by source. I'll check again.
post #3834 of 3992
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Originally Posted by THeCozen1 View Post

My Gear: Panny 55VT50; Yamaha RX-V473; Sony BDP-S590; Energy Take Classic 5.1 speakers

Setup: BDP>AVR>TV
CABLE BOX > TV

My question is this...can anyone offer the best audio settings from the S590 home menu to take advantage of my 5.1 surround sound? The reason I'm asking is because it seems that the sound is louder when I switch from the BDP (which runs through the AVR) to the cable box. I estimate a 20% increase in volume from the Cable Box which connects directly to the TV. Better mids...very noticeable.

The speakers are fine & I don't think it is an AVR setting...which only leaves the BDP settings or my connection method (BDP > AVR > TV) which is the recommended setup.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The behavior you describe sounds pretty normal. I would not look to change your Blu-ray player settings to account for the cable box being louder. A lot of television content, commercials especially, is processed with peak limiters and dynamic compressors. Imagine if you had a volume meter of some sort and every time the meter went down low you cranked the volume knob way up, then brought it down again once the meter went up again. This is essentially what peak limiters do.

The good thing about this is that the quieter passages get louder, so if you want to hear low volume dialog without cranking up the volume, this helps. The down side is that you lose the dynamic range of the content when the audio is limited/ compressed which negatively impacts the overall experience of a good audio presentation.

The 'Audio DRC ' setting on the Sony players will add Dynamic Range Compression. Your cable box may have a setting which is adding additional compression or limiting to content, making it louder as well.

This ultimately comes down to preference, but my recommendation would be to turn any such settings OFF so that you can experience the full dynamic range of the content in all of its glory. You will need to turn the volume up louder initially, but then the loud passages (explosions and other loud sounds for example) will have more impact.

As was already mentioned, your AVR likely allows each source to have a level offset. This is the best way to deal with the issue you described of one source being louder than another. I would add an offset to reduce the volume of your cable box.

Your AVR may also have a 'night mode' feature that can be turned on in the event that you want to reduce the dynamic range to avoid large peaks at any given time.

Overall, the device level settings such as DRC will likely perform worse than your AVR can accomplish a similar task. These settings are mainly useful for people that interface their players with the built in TV speakers which don't perform well or have much power.
post #3835 of 3992
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Originally Posted by THeCozen1 View Post

Thanks buddy...I posted make/model at the top of my first post. I've read through the AVR manual a bit and never noticed a way to change volume level by source. I'll check again.

My suggestion is to instead go through the cable box settings. In there you can set it to put the audio out as stereo or surround and you can set the volume to be fixed or variable. You can also probably lower the volume the cable box is pushing out.
I have mine set to Surround Sound & fixed.
post #3836 of 3992
@ Vampidemic & Pioneer_Elte - Thank you for responding. Looks like I have some work to do. I am happy with the sound levels from the cable box, now I just need to address the dialogue issue with playback from the BDP (or any source connected directly to the AVR for that matter).
post #3837 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Getting back to your original problem: have you verified that all of the players and TVs have up-to-date firmware?

Sorry it took so long to get back, just haven't been on the forums much. Everything is at the latest firmware. The problem was resolved by simply setting the older players to down mix to PCM. On the plus side Roku added native youtube support to the roku 3, which I have and it's much faster then the sony. So for streaming looks like i don't need the BDP like i used to.
post #3838 of 3992
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

Sorry it took so long to get back, just haven't been on the forums much. Everything is at the latest firmware. The problem was resolved by simply setting the older players to down mix to PCM. On the plus side Roku added native youtube support to the roku 3, which I have and it's much faster then the sony. So for streaming looks like i don't need the BDP like i used to.
I have a ROKU 2 as well as the Sony BDP. I am using the BDP for streaming all content because it seems to have a better PQ/sound than the ROKU 2. Would you say that the ROKU 3 is worth a purchase if I already have a ROKU 2 and BDP S590?

It just seemed like the ROKU 2 did not push enough sound and the PQ dipped in and out more during Netflix streaming than the BDP.
post #3839 of 3992
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Originally Posted by THeCozen1 View Post

I have a ROKU 2 as well as the Sony BDP. I am using the BDP for streaming all content because it seems to have a better PQ/sound than the ROKU 2. Would you say that the ROKU 3 is worth a purchase if I already have a ROKU 2 and BDP S590?

It just seemed like the ROKU 2 did not push enough sound and the PQ dipped in and out more during Netflix streaming than the BDP.

I have the Roku 3 i've compared quality to the sony bdp 3100 which both are on a 42" panasonic plasma and both look identical for things. i will say that the sony does get to the max quality a bit faster but the roku still gets there and stays. maybe it depends on the internet connection and network setup.
post #3840 of 3992
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

I have the Roku 3 i've compared quality to the sony bdp 3100 which both are on a 42" panasonic plasma and both look identical for things. i will say that the sony does get to the max quality a bit faster but the roku still gets there and stays. maybe it depends on the internet connection and network setup.
Thanks for responding. Good to hear that the BDP and ROKU 3 are comparable with PQ. I'm not too concerned over content.

I use an Ethernet connection on all devices with over 20mbs download speed...so I have never questioned my network setup when it comes to getting max quality out of my streaming equipment. I should have put that in my previous post.

C'mon man, I was looking for an excuse to buy a new little piece of hardware (ROKU 3)...j/k. But seriously, what I gather from your response is that there is no need to purchase a ROKU 3 unless I have issues with content on the BDP or want the cool headphone jack on the remote.
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