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post #961 of 3554
5/13/12 at 8:13am
That's cool the subtitle button works now. It works that way on the PS3 already.
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post #962 of 3554
5/13/12 at 9:07am
Anyone know if that new "Play next episode" screen that the PS3 Netflix client now shows at the end of a movie/TV show works in other "webkit" clients like these Sony blu-ray players? It's nice because it skips the "previously on" for lots of TV shows and I've wanted that for awhile.
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post #963 of 3554
5/13/12 at 1:02pm
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Updated Netflix app for the most part.

Thanks. I am using in my bed room with 929 that has built in Netflix and no 5.1 set up there.
So I guess my 580, for $60 from Sony shall work well?
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post #964 of 3554
5/13/12 at 4:35pm
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Thanks. I am using in my bed room with 929 that has built in Netflix and no 5.1 set up there.
So I guess my 580, for $60 from Sony shall work well?

Yes. Should be fine.
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post #965 of 3554
5/13/12 at 4:39pm
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Anyone know if that new "Play next episode" screen that the PS3 Netflix client now shows at the end of a movie/TV show works in other "webkit" clients like these Sony blu-ray players? It's nice because it skips the "previously on" for lots of TV shows and I've wanted that for awhile.

I'll have to check that out. The skipping-the-previously-on bit seems like a gigantic amount of work for pretty much nothing.

I have noticed a very cool next episode thing on the PC player, but I don't usually use it.
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post #966 of 3554
5/14/12 at 8:30pm
Why doesn't Sony put an MLB.TV app on their blu-ray players? They have all these other crappy video apps that nobody uses but no MLB.TV. I am not understanding this.
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post #967 of 3554
5/15/12 at 12:45am
It looks like a new firmware update is out..

After I reset my audio settings to default, I got a notification of a new firmware update.

I thought maybe when I reset the audio settings it messed something up but then I checked System Information..

My software version is now.. M12.R.0369 and I believe it was M12.R.0320 prior to the update. The thing is, the section on Sony's site for the S590 is still showing M12.R.0320 as the most current update. In other words, I have no idea if .0369 fixes anything or if it adds anything, or if it does both.
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post #968 of 3554
5/15/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

FYI. The S390 is now $99 at Amazon.

It's at $120.34 now.

Sony BDP-S390 Blu-ray Disc Player with Wi-Fi (Black) at Amazon

Can anyone provide a link to the S390 manual in English? The Sony UK site has the manual download for around 15 languages, none English!

http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/pro...P-S390/manuals
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post #969 of 3554
5/15/12 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Devianza View Post

It looks like a new firmware update is out..

After I reset my audio settings to default, I got a notification of a new firmware update.

I thought maybe when I reset the audio settings it messed something up but then I checked System Information..

My software version is now.. M12.R.0369 and I believe it was M12.R.0320 prior to the update. The thing is, the section on Sony's site for the S590 is still showing M12.R.0320 as the most current update. In other words, I have no idea if .0369 fixes anything or if it adds anything, or if it does both.

I wonder if this is the Firmware Update that Chris Heinonen AKA SmackRabbit has said was in the works for correcting the excessive GREEN levels for the RBG Output?

Any confirmation Chris?
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post #970 of 3554
5/15/12 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post

It's at $120.34 now.

Sony BDP-S390 Blu-ray Disc Player with Wi-Fi (Black) at Amazon

Can anyone provide a link to the S390 manual in English? The Sony UK site has the manual download for around 15 languages, none English!

http://www.sony.co.uk/support/en/pro...P-S390/manuals

Are you after the UK version or the North American version? The NA one is on the main support site.

Glad I got both of mine before the price jump :-)
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post #971 of 3554
5/15/12 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by Plasma54321 View Post

I wonder if this is the Firmware Update that Chris Heinonen AKA SmackRabbit has said was in the works for correcting the excessive GREEN levels for the RBG Output?

Any confirmation Chris?

I was told June timeframe for that, and I haven't had time to update the player today, much less run it through the RGB tests again. I'm sure Sony would like it fixed before the review runs next week (likely), though. I'll see if I can figure it out today.
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post #972 of 3554
5/15/12 at 9:59am
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Are you after the UK version or the North American version? The NA one is on the main support site.

Glad I got both of mine before the price jump :-)

I managed finally to DL the manual, NA version, I suppose. I had no idea there was a difference. I just went to a link that Google came up with. The UK site doesn't present an English version, weird.

I'm hoping the price drops, Amazon has price fluctuations very frequently on specific items. I suppose they do it to keep you coming back.
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post #973 of 3554
5/15/12 at 1:51pm
UPDATE: Well, nevermind. It seems to be working now after powering down and unplugging for a few minutes. After I hit the power button to turn it off, the display was flashing OFF for at least 5 minutes before it actually turned off. I'm not sure what happened, but menus are responding normally now and Netflix is streaming again.

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I just tried to do the latest automatic firmware update on my S590. It seemed to start off fine, but I didn't watch the entire process. When I looked at it again it was powered off with no indicators on the display or on screen. So after waiting a few minutes, I pressed power on the remote and the Home menu came up. I checked the Network Update and it said I was already up-to-date.

Then I tried to go into Netflix and my queue loaded, but I was unable to play any titles. I pressed Home to go back out and the menu screens are now extremely slow and unresponsive.

I guess I'll try to power down and unplug it for a few minutes and see if it starts working normally again. If not, are there any other tips to try before a factory reset? How do I do a factory reset if the menus are not responding?

Thanks for your help.
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post #974 of 3554
5/15/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by wymann View Post

UPDATE: Well, nevermind. It seems to be working now after powering down and unplugging for a few minutes. After I hit the power button to turn it off, the display was flashing OFF for at least 5 minutes before it actually turned off. I'm not sure what happened, but menus are responding normally now and Netflix is streaming again.

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I just tried to do the latest automatic firmware update on my S590. It seemed to start off fine, but I didn't watch the entire process. When I looked at it again it was powered off with no indicators on the display or on screen. So after waiting a few minutes, I pressed power on the remote and the Home menu came up. I checked the Network Update and it said I was already up-to-date.

Then I tried to go into Netflix and my queue loaded, but I was unable to play any titles. I pressed Home to go back out and the menu screens are now extremely slow and unresponsive.

I guess I'll try to power down and unplug it for a few minutes and see if it starts working normally again. If not, are there any other tips to try before a factory reset? How do I do a factory reset if the menus are not responding?

Thanks for your help.

Reset is a option under the settings category. There are a number of settings you can reset, or do a full player reset.

I updated the firmware and haven't seen any issues with NF streaming. As far as I could tell, the firmware didn't change anything.
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post #975 of 3554
5/15/12 at 2:37pm
Well this is odd..

The official site is still showing .0320.

I'm talking to one of their online techs now to see if he can tell me what the deal is.

2:31 PM Ric - ( C45X ): Version M12.R.0369 has been updated over the air, therefore the version M12.R.0320 still appears in the website.
2:32 PM Customer: are there any release notes on m12.r.0369?
2:34 PM Ric - ( C45X ): I'm sorry, we do not have any informmation about the latest firmware version.
2:34 PM Ric - ( C45X ): In this case, you can contact our telephone support team to get the information about the latest firmware version.

Well, I'll give them a ring and if I can get more dirt, I'll post it here.

In the meantime, I ran into my first issue with a dvdr last night, skipped once during the credits. I rewound it to the same spot again, it skipped a bit again, so I rewound again, this time it was fine. But the thing is, I never played the credits before on my old n460, so it may have always been an issue, bad sector perhaps.

Update: I contacted Sony via the tele and the tech checked with his supervisor but well, they said they're still waiting for their engineer department to update the website with the new firmware and release notes. He did escalate the request so hopefully later tonight or tomorrow the release notes will be posted.
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post #976 of 3554
5/15/12 at 4:24pm
I might have time to update the firmware tonight and test quickly but I'm not sure yet. The only thing I'm testing is Standard mode RGB performance.
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post #977 of 3554
5/15/12 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Devianza View Post

Well this is odd..

The official site is still showing .0320.

I'm talking to one of their online techs now to see if he can tell me what the deal is.

2:31 PM Ric - ( C45X ): Version M12.R.0369 has been updated over the air, therefore the version M12.R.0320 still appears in the website.
2:32 PM Customer: are there any release notes on m12.r.0369?
2:34 PM Ric - ( C45X ): I'm sorry, we do not have any informmation about the latest firmware version.
2:34 PM Ric - ( C45X ): In this case, you can contact our telephone support team to get the information about the latest firmware version.

Well, I'll give them a ring and if I can get more dirt, I'll post it here.

In the meantime, I ran into my first issue with a dvdr last night, skipped once during the credits. I rewound it to the same spot again, it skipped a bit again, so I rewound again, this time it was fine. But the thing is, I never played the credits before on my old n460, so it may have always been an issue, bad sector perhaps.

Update: I contacted Sony via the tele and the tech checked with his supervisor but well, they said they're still waiting for their engineer department to update the website with the new firmware and release notes. He did escalate the request so hopefully later tonight or tomorrow the release notes will be posted.

My 590 updated just now and, while the internet connection tests check out fine, clicking on any of the streaming services pops up the message "Checking Internet connection". That goes away after a few seconds, but the streaming apps never launch. Is anyone else seeing this or can they confirm the same? Thanks.
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post #978 of 3554
5/15/12 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

My 590 updated just now and, while the internet connection tests check out fine, clicking on any of the streaming services pops up the message "Checking Internet connection". That goes away after a few seconds, but the streaming apps never launch. Is anyone else seeing this or can they confirm the same? Thanks.

When I run Vudu or Amazon from the front page, they never verify my connection, they just run very nicely. However, SEN is another story. Anytime I turn the player on and access it, I will get the whole "checking internet connection" window, then it'll go through a few steps and tell me I'm connected and load up "SEN". Now the first time I loaded "SEN" up after the update, it took a good 5 minutes before it finally came up. But each time after that, it takes maybe 15-20 seconds. And Vudu and Amazon seem to work fine when accessing the services through them. But whenever I try load up music unlimited, I'm asked for my pin each and everytime, you'd think there'd be an option to store it.

But yeah, try turning the player on.. then access SEN then give it about 5-10 minutes before giving up.

But for now I'm back to testing dvdr's I have. I found another one that has an issue with the scene selection screen. It'll let me use the navigation arrows but it won't let me navigate to the scenes above the arrows. But like I said earlier, it may be the program I use to make the dvdr's, I've been using DVDClone and it may just not play nice.
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post #979 of 3554
5/15/12 at 5:01pm
Mine has always done that. Will it still not launch if you pick the same app a second time?
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post #980 of 3554
5/15/12 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Bear in mind that the U.S. Sony BD players won't play PAL DVDs, unlike Momitsu players. I'm guessing that UK Sony players won't play NTSC DVDs.

Just revisiting this. I came across an interesting discovery. If you happen to have any 1080i/50 "PAL" BDs ... and lets say were to "back them up" as a MKV ... so long as the codec is AVC Mpeg 4, the Sony's will play them back just fine on a USA 1080p/60 TV (even through DLNA).
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post #981 of 3554
5/15/12 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by Devianza View Post

When I run Vudu or Amazon from the front page, they never verify my connection, they just run very nicely. However, SEN is another story. Anytime I turn the player on and access it, I will get the whole "checking internet connection" window, then it'll go through a few steps and tell me I'm connected and load up "SEN". Now the first time I loaded "SEN" up after the update, it took a good 5 minutes before it finally came up. But each time after that, it takes maybe 15-20 seconds. And Vudu and Amazon seem to work fine when accessing the services through them. But whenever I try load up music unlimited, I'm asked for my pin each and everytime, you'd think there'd be an option to store it.

But yeah, try turning the player on.. then access SEN then give it about 5-10 minutes before giving up.

But for now I'm back to testing dvdr's I have. I found another one that has an issue with the scene selection screen. It'll let me use the navigation arrows but it won't let me navigate to the scenes above the arrows. But like I said earlier, it may be the program I use to make the dvdr's, I've been using DVDClone and it may just not play nice.

To be clear, the very first time the player is turned on, and you try and access a internet service you get a additional connecting to internet services screen with dialog box. Once that is completed, accessing any of the services is as normal. You won't get this screen again until you turn off and back on the player.

In some instances, you will also be asked to "update internet services required" by clicking on a special icon, within the XMB. This is a way, Sony can add additional services to the XMB without a firmware update push.
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post #982 of 3554
5/15/12 at 5:48pm
The internet connection window doesn't really bother me.

I'm just trying to figure out the dvdr thing.

The two that seemed to work fine were authored using DVDNext, the one with the slight audio skip during the credits, and the other with the menu selection screen that didn't work right were authored using DVDClone. So for now I'm going to assume its a dvdclone thing so I uninstalled it and I'm going to use IMGburn. And yeah, its a big thing to me because although I totally prefer watching bd's, I primarily watch dvdr's.
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post #983 of 3554
5/15/12 at 7:45pm
Did the update for my 590. Netflix wouldn't work after the update. The movie streaming bar would start and then the Home screen would appear again. I turned off the 590 and turned it back on and everything was fine. Odd but I guess things had to get settled.
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post #984 of 3554
5/15/12 at 8:13pm
Tested the new firmware, still broken in RGB as expected. I wouldn't expect it to be fixed until the calendar reads June at the earliest.
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post #985 of 3554
5/16/12 at 2:25am
The website finally posted the update and here are the release notes for anyone who cares..

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M12.R.0369 and provides the following benefits:
Improvements over firmware version M12.R.0320:
Improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity

Benefits provided by previous upgrades and included in version M12.R.0369:
Adds support for the Sony® Entertainment Network portal
Adds support for the "Recommendations" feature
Notes:â—¦The "Recommendations" feature automatically analyzes your interests by referencing your viewing history to find programs and items you may like, and presents them in the xross media bar menu.
â—¦This feature may not be available depending on your region and broadcasting conditions.
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post #986 of 3554
5/16/12 at 4:29am
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Originally Posted by Devianza View Post

The website finally posted the update and here are the release notes for anyone who cares..

This utility updates the Blu-ray Disc player firmware to version M12.R.0369 and provides the following benefits:
Improvements over firmware version M12.R.0320:
Improves BRAVIA® Internet Video connectivity

Benefits provided by previous upgrades and included in version M12.R.0369:
Adds support for the Sony® Entertainment Network portal
Adds support for the "Recommendations" feature
Notes:â—¦The "Recommendations" feature automatically analyzes your interests by referencing your viewing history to find programs and items you may like, and presents them in the xross media bar menu.
â—¦This feature may not be available depending on your region and broadcasting conditions.

Thanks. None of those are a benefit to me. I updated last night and tested Netflix and had no issues.

Doug
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post #987 of 3554
5/16/12 at 9:20pm
I finally got my sony on! Some VERY early impressions:

1. It is QUIET. This is an enormous relief after dealing with a panasonic 210, which created a virtual symphony of mechanical, spinning, whining noises throughout disk playback.

This sony is 10X more refined: I leave the cabinet open and it is still extremely quiet. If mech. noise is an issue for you, the sony is a clear winner in this regard.


2. The panasonic has nicer BR PQ. The sony exhibits slight smearing. There is less fine detail. It looks a bit more like broadcast HD than panasonic does--which always looks significantly better than any broadcast signal in HD. The sony does look better than tv, but seems to fit into an intermediate tier between the panasonic and hd broadcast tv.


Again, these are very preliminary observations, subject to revision.

I really do believe that panasonic maximizes BR playback in a way which is unmatched by other manufacturers.
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5/16/12 at 9:38pm
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1. It is QUIET. This is an enormous relief after dealing with a panasonic 210, which created a virtual symphony of mechanical, spinning, whining noises throughout disk playback.

This sony is 10X more refined: I leave the cabinet open and it is still extremely quiet. If mech. noise is an issue for you, the sony is a clear winner in this regard.

You didn't say if this was the 390 or 590, but on my 590 the drive is often noisy, sometimes extremely so. The 570 I have from two years ago is now often really noisy as well, so this might be the transports that Sony uses. it's random if it is noisy or not, and it could be sample variation, but my Panasonic 210 is far, far quieter.

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2. The panasonic has nicer BR PQ. The sony exhibits slight smearing. There is less fine detail. It looks a bit more like broadcast HD than panasonic does--which always looks significantly better than any broadcast signal in HD. The sony does look better than tv, but seems to fit into an intermediate tier between the panasonic and hd broadcast tv.
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I really do believe that panasonic maximizes BR playback in a way which is unmatched by other manufacturers.

How does the Sony present smearing? On every test pattern and demo loop I can run the Sony 590 through, it comes out pixel-perfect, be it a static 1 pixel image, or a resolution wedge, or a motion resolution wedge. Smearing is usually a product of a display, not a player. This is with the player in Standard mode, with all enhancements disabled (same with the 210, where Advanced Chroma must be disabled).

The 590 and 210 put out, when configured correctly, the exact same image, pixel for pixel, with no difference. Any difference on Blu-ray content is either a difference in display settings, having the player configured incorrectly, or a placebo effect. I personally like the Panasonic as it's a bit faster and has a simpler menu system, but either one works fine. Panasonic doesn't have any secret sauce in their players, but they do a wonderful job with obscure cadence detection and scaling, neither of which have any impact on a normal Blu-ray. In that regard, they look the same as the Sony 590.
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post #989 of 3554
5/16/12 at 10:04pm
It's the 59/0 from costco. I have it playing now, cabinet open, very quiet. The 210 was as loud as a vacuum player, in comparison. It enjoyed making a high pitched whine as well during playback. It even made a whirring noise as the disk bay opened and closed.

My test disk was bridget to terabithia. There seems to be less detail on the sony vs. the panasonic.

I didn't do an a/b--but i recall the panasonic looking far better. Display settings are identical.

I'll write further impressions later, but the sony is much quieter and the panasonic br pq is noticeably better.

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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

You didn't say if this was the 390 or 590, but on my 590 the drive is often noisy, sometimes extremely so. The 570 I have from two years ago is now often really noisy as well, so this might be the transports that Sony uses. it's random if it is noisy or not, and it could be sample variation, but my Panasonic 210 is far, far quieter.



How does the Sony present smearing? On every test pattern and demo loop I can run the Sony 590 through, it comes out pixel-perfect, be it a static 1 pixel image, or a resolution wedge, or a motion resolution wedge. Smearing is usually a product of a display, not a player. This is with the player in Standard mode, with all enhancements disabled (same with the 210, where Advanced Chroma must be disabled).

The 590 and 210 put out, when configured correctly, the exact same image, pixel for pixel, with no difference. Any difference on Blu-ray content is either a difference in display settings, having the player configured incorrectly, or a placebo effect. I personally like the Panasonic as it's a bit faster and has a simpler menu system, but either one works fine. Panasonic doesn't have any secret sauce in their players, but they do a wonderful job with obscure cadence detection and scaling, neither of which have any impact on a normal Blu-ray. In that regard, they look the same as the Sony 590.
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post #990 of 3554
5/16/12 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by Hi_Def_Boss View Post

It's the 59/0 from costco. I have it playing now, cabinet open, very quiet. The 210 was as loud as a vacuum player, in comparison.

I originally picked up the 220 and while it was quiet most of the time, the motor did get a bit noisy when I'd skip chapters. And I also noticed it remained relatively cool even after 3-4 hours of disc playback, which was a huge improvement over my N460 which got pretty warm. However, the S590 so far has been a bit more quiet than the 220, even when skipping chapters, and it also seems to stay relatively cool.

As for PQ, the S590 seems to upscale my single layer dvdr's much better than the 220, however when it comes to PQ with bd's, I really can't comment since I ran both players at 720p and at 720p, they both seemed to be identical pq wise. Keep in mind I had super resolution, chroma display disabled on the Panny.
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