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post #1111 of 1352
2/12/13 at 9:43am
Pioneer SW-8 is $70 shipped at Newegg this week.
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post #1112 of 1352
2/12/13 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by DustinLH00 View Post

21x15x8 living room (2,500+ cubic feet) and mostly HT listening

$600 budget

2 Klipsch RW-12Ds ($600) or
1 Outlaw LFM1-EX ($650) or
1 SVS PB-1000 ($500)

My order of preference would probably be how you listed them.
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post #1113 of 1352
2/12/13 at 10:38am
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My order of preference would probably be how you listed them.
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post #1114 of 1352
2/12/13 at 11:05am
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post #1115 of 1352
2/12/13 at 11:11am
For a change I'm in good company.smile.gif
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post #1116 of 1352
2/12/13 at 12:37pm
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My order of preference would probably be how you listed them.

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That was fast, thanks! I thought that since the Outlaw and SVS go down below 20Hz they might get a little more love.
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post #1117 of 1352
2/12/13 at 12:45pm
The Outlaw and SVS will give you deeper extension but the dual Klipsch will give more output and better uniformity across the listening area. It's a lot harder to get smooth response with only a single sub due to room acoustics. Dual subs placed in different locations will smooth out room modes and create a more even combined response.

The Outlaw and SVS are higher quality (cleaner, more linear) but that is less important with HT. So basically you are sacrificing extension below 25hz to get extra output and uniformity above 25hz.
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post #1118 of 1352
2/12/13 at 12:51pm
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That was fast, thanks! I thought that since the Outlaw and SVS go down below 20Hz they might get a little more love.

Most folks agree that even listener zone coverage is more important than extension. It is not about lack of love.

(Two LFM Pluses (for $998) would top the list, but then so wuld other options if money was not a factor.)

Me? I'd get a single SW first at close to budget and live with the uneven coverage until next spending spree.
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post #1119 of 1352
2/16/13 at 1:46pm
Looking for a sub to connect to my computer that has high level input and output, binding posts and an high pass filter on the high level output.

Going to be using a Topping TP30 off the computer feeding the sub and the sub to a set of Def Tech SM45s.

Was thinking the DefTech ProSub 800 which I can get for $285 shipped on eBay.
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post #1120 of 1352
2/16/13 at 1:50pm
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Looking for a sub to connect to my computer that has high level input and output, binding posts and an high pass filter on the high level output.

Going to be using a Topping TP30 off the computer feeding the sub and the sub to a set of Def Tech SM45s.

Was thinking the DefTech ProSub 800 which I can get for $285 shipped on eBay.

The DT ProSub 800 does not have a built in high pass filter. Doubtful you can easily find a sub to do that until you step up price a good bit. Most subs the crossover is just a low pass filter.
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post #1121 of 1352
2/16/13 at 2:14pm
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The DT ProSub 800 does not have a built in high pass filter. Doubtful you can easily find a sub to do that until you step up price a good bit. Most subs the crossover is just a low pass filter.

I believe it does. This is what I see in the manual: http://www.definitivetech.com/downloads/ProSub800_1000_Manual_20309_read.pdf
Your main speakers can now be connected in one of two ways. If you wish to utilize the high pass filter built into your subwoofer, simply connect your main speakers to the high level out terminals on the subwoofer. Again, take care to make red to red (“+”) and black to black (“-”) terminal connections. This connection will provide a smoothly contoured roll-off of the low frequencies going to your main speakers. We recommend this hook-up (wiring the main speakers through the crossover in the subwoofer) when using ProMonitors. For more overall bass output when using full range main speakers, run the main speakers full range by hooking them up directly to the amp. In many systems, if your speakers are true full range systems, you may find that you get a more satisfying sound by running the speakers full-range and crossing your subwoofer in fairly low (40-70 Hz). On the other hand, if you find that you are overdriving your main speakers, you will clearly be able to play your system louder by using the built-in high pass crossover for your main speakers.

This is just on the high level outputs I assume.
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post #1122 of 1352
2/16/13 at 2:32pm
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I believe it does. This is what I see in the manual: http://www.definitivetech.com/downloads/ProSub800_1000_Manual_20309_read.pdf
Your main speakers can now be connected in one of two ways. If you wish to utilize the high pass filter built into your subwoofer, simply connect your main speakers to the high level out terminals on the subwoofer. Again, take care to make red to red (“+”) and black to black (“-”) terminal connections. This connection will provide a smoothly contoured roll-off of the low frequencies going to your main speakers. We recommend this hook-up (wiring the main speakers through the crossover in the subwoofer) when using ProMonitors. For more overall bass output when using full range main speakers, run the main speakers full range by hooking them up directly to the amp. In many systems, if your speakers are true full range systems, you may find that you get a more satisfying sound by running the speakers full-range and crossing your subwoofer in fairly low (40-70 Hz). On the other hand, if you find that you are overdriving your main speakers, you will clearly be able to play your system louder by using the built-in high pass crossover for your main speakers.

This is just on the high level outputs I assume.

My bad. 80hz according to the specs at the end of the manual. So not adjustable, but it does have one.
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post #1123 of 1352
2/16/13 at 3:04pm
No worries. smile.gif I think that is more than sufficient for my needs then. Unless there is another sub I should be looking at?
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post #1124 of 1352
2/16/13 at 7:08pm
Hello all. Rather new to the forum but been getting help since i started so I may become a regular. I ran across this thread and this was the second reason I got on this site... I'm in need of a new sub and I'm a penny pincher. smile.gif. Ok,so I have a pioneer vsx-522-k and some cheap satt speakers from an old 2chan 5.1 sub thing. Well,now I need a good budget sub with a decent amount of deepness. I like low bass as I've been doing car audio for about 7 years now. My room is an odd size at 20Lx13Wx10H. Floor is concrete with linoleum tile,one 20ft wall is brick,and the rest is fake wood paneling.(its a makeshift room turned from a car awning). But since its the biggest room in the house,I found it great for home theater size. Anyway,back to the sub... I got about $200 +tax to spend and was wondering if any of you kind experts had any suggestions. Im looking to buy early next week as I have a party coming up next weekend and would love to show off what I have done to this room. Hit me with what you all think and we can go from there.
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post #1125 of 1352
2/16/13 at 7:21pm
With that budget and a room that size you have 2 choices. Build one yourself from a kit or buy a used one.
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post #1126 of 1352
2/16/13 at 7:59pm
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My room is an odd size at 20Lx13Wx10H. Floor is concrete with linoleum tile,one 20ft wall is brick,and the rest is fake wood paneling.(its a makeshift room turned from a car awning). But since its the biggest room in the house,I found it great for home theater size. Anyway,back to the sub... I got about $200 +tax to spend and was wondering if any of you kind experts had any suggestions. Im looking to buy early next week as I have a party coming up next weekend and would love to show off what I have done to this room. Hit me with what you all think and we can go from there.

With a room that large, and a budget that small, you're going to have a hard time finding something to work. You could try the BIC F12, but it may not be quite enough to fill that space.
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post #1127 of 1352
2/16/13 at 8:38pm
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With a room that large, and a budget that small, you're going to have a hard time finding something to work. You could try the BIC F12, but it may not be quite enough to fill that space.
well,its not an "open" room...it does have a bunch of junk in the back end... but the f12 is the one ive been looking at for a few days... an really havent found anything moe powerful for the price... but i gotta ask... how well do low fq come through on that speaker? because i use my avr for music and games more than movies... and id like something that pops really well with grenades on games but can easily pick up some of the bass drops in dubstep and drum&bass... i know i cant get perfection out of the budget but i wanna get as close as i possibly can,ya know? if no other suggestions come about by tomorrow then i will soon be the new owner of a BIC F12... all other comments welcome and im willing to look at anything suggested(if its worth it that much then i may consider spending a tad more($50) to get something more capable...) and thank you all for taking the time to reply... yall are a much better crowd than some forums ive been on,reguardless of subject of the forum. smile.gif
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post #1128 of 1352
2/17/13 at 2:22am
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well,its not an "open" room...it does have a bunch of junk in the back end... but the f12 is the one ive been looking at for a few days... an really havent found anything moe powerful for the price... but i gotta ask... how well do low fq come through on that speaker? because i use my avr for music and games more than movies... and id like something that pops really well with grenades on games but can easily pick up some of the bass drops in dubstep and drum&bass... i know i cant get perfection out of the budget but i wanna get as close as i possibly can,ya know? if no other suggestions come about by tomorrow then i will soon be the new owner of a BIC F12... all other comments welcome and im willing to look at anything suggested(if its worth it that much then i may consider spending a tad more($50) to get something more capable...) and thank you all for taking the time to reply... yall are a much better crowd than some forums ive been on,reguardless of subject of the forum. smile.gif
This is a better sub than the F12. Especially for music. Also has twice as many watts so even though its a 10" it should have as much output as the F12 but is much more accurate. Its only on sale until the end of the day though.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157
Really your best bet would be this if you can afford the extra coin. The price difference would be well worth it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078
Edited by Bond 007 - 2/17/13 at 2:54am
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post #1129 of 1352
2/17/13 at 4:50am
If the OP can spare 60 extra bux, the best bang for the buck going ANYWHERE in an inexpensive sub would be 2 of these, but even one would blow away that lunar module looking thing from new egg:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-629
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post #1130 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:12am
Wow. Yall are killing me with choices. smile.gif I have no clue what to do now. I like the idea of the two but you forgot to throw in shipping costs. Two + ship is 270. I have no clue at all what to chose now. Lol
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post #1131 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:20am
OK, so I was off 10 bux. wink.gif Damn good deal 2 shipped for 270 IMHO...But even if that is too much, go the one and get a second later. You won't be disappointed. smile.gif
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post #1132 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:22am
Plus I forget that I can just drive there and pick them up. Depending on your location you can do the same?
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post #1133 of 1352
2/17/13 at 6:00am
Yeah,I don't think we have one of those stores in my area. I'm in the captial of BFE in the middle of nowhere tn. Lol. Most we got is a best buy an hour away.
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post #1134 of 1352
2/17/13 at 6:26am
I bought one for my sisters house and they LUV it...If I were in your position (and I was at one point) I would buy this sub (and I did), it is that good. PLUS you'll have a few bux left over for a nice Blu-ray flick to show off the new sub. wink.gifsmile.gif
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post #1135 of 1352
2/17/13 at 9:11am
Perhaps two of these: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SA-W3000-Subwoofer-Each-Black/dp/B000OL22T2

I owned the 10" version. The 12" is not the most spectacular sub in the world but it digs deep for the price and has no competition for value vs. quality except for the 12" Dayton. The 12" Sony is spec'd for 20Hz- 200Hz and reviews confirm it does produce some pressure down there. That's why I think you are better off with two of these Sony subs rather than one 12" from someone else. Dual subs give you more even coverage and 6db more volume. Even though the Sony is only rated at 180 watts, it would take a 720 watt 12" to equal two of them. I owned a number of subs from Sony over the years and they are always underrated and underpriced. Perfect for penny pinchers.

You might even try buying just one Sony 12" sub and see if you like it enough, then you'd be way under budget and could think about a better pair of speakers, like the Pioneer bookshelf units from Best Buy. The Pioneer sub is weak, this 12" Sony sub and the Pioneer bookshelves were made for each other. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by BuzzKillBob View Post

Hello all. Rather new to the forum but been getting help since i started so I may become a regular. I ran across this thread and this was the second reason I got on this site... I'm in need of a new sub and I'm a penny pincher. smile.gif. Ok,so I have a pioneer vsx-522-k and some cheap satt speakers from an old 2chan 5.1 sub thing. Well,now I need a good budget sub with a decent amount of deepness. I like low bass as I've been doing car audio for about 7 years now. My room is an odd size at 20Lx13Wx10H. Floor is concrete with linoleum tile,one 20ft wall is brick,and the rest is fake wood paneling.(its a makeshift room turned from a car awning). But since its the biggest room in the house,I found it great for home theater size. Anyway,back to the sub... I got about $200 +tax to spend and was wondering if any of you kind experts had any suggestions. Im looking to buy early next week as I have a party coming up next weekend and would love to show off what I have done to this room. Hit me with what you all think and we can go from there.

Edited by imagic - 2/17/13 at 10:16am
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post #1136 of 1352
2/17/13 at 9:55am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

This is a better sub than the F12. Especially for music. Also has twice as many watts so even though its a 10" it should have as much output as the F12 but is much more accurate. Its only on sale until the end of the day though.

Do you have stock in JBL or something? You push that sub more then their sales people probably do. BTW, how do you know it's better? Did you compare them head to head, or are you merely speculating?
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post #1137 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:26pm
I did some searching on the interweb and ended up buying an f12. I can ship it back for free if I don't like it. It looks good,the speaker looks quality,and has had allot of good customer reviews,even in larger rooms. I get it Wednesday so we will see what happens then. I even set up a deal to where I have a 60 day return window so it can go through a proper break in period. I will stay in touch with this thread and let yall know my experience with it when it gets here. Again,I appreciate all the help and suggestions. I am definitely a returning member to this forum.
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post #1138 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:33pm
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Do you have stock in JBL or something? You push that sub more then their sales people probably do. BTW, how do you know it's better? Did you compare them head to head, or are you merely speculating?
Merely speculating.
I own the F12 though. And read a lot of reviews for both. Looked at the specs for both. And I have only recommended it a couple of times when it was on sale.I think I have recommended it to 3 people since it went on sale the first time at Christmas. Should I only recommend subs that I own or have compared directly in a store? Perhaps I should have said that I THINK the JBL is a better sub. But since nearly everything in this forum is opinion I didnt think that I had to do that every time.
Edited by Bond 007 - 2/17/13 at 5:46pm
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post #1139 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:38pm
Congrats. Enjoy.
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post #1140 of 1352
2/17/13 at 5:45pm
Good pick. Have fun. Don't forget, proper setup is key to maximizing performance. Do the "Crawl Test" if you can.
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