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Best Sub I can get that will fit in my cabinet? Ok, I know it sucks having a sub inside a cabinet but I don't have much choice. I have built-ins extending from the fireplace (where the tv is located) all the way to the side walls. So even a smaller sub along the side of the room won't pass the WAF test. Anyway this is what I have to work with: The width of the cabinet is about 14 in. There is plenty of height and I could go about 16-17 in deep max. So the limiting factor is prob the width at 14 in. We primarily listen to music, so prob 75% Music / 25% Movies. The room is big 20x30 and is open to the dining area behind, so I realize filling the room with bass is not really possible for now, but trying to choose the best option available.

Current setup: Receiver Yamaha 573 , Fronts 3 Speakercraft Aim7 Twos, Surrounds 4 Polk 80 F/X RTs, Sub Polk PSW111

So I am considering the following: SVS SB-1000 ($500), Klipsch SW-310 ($?), Polk DSW MicroPro 1000 ($450 from Polk refurbished).

I am attracted by the musical accuracy and 12 in driver of the SVS, but wonder if I will sacrifice reach compared to a ported sub. Given my need to keep it in a cabinet is there a specific design that is optimal - ported, sealed, front-firing, etc? Would appreciate thoughts on these subs or any other suggestions. Thanks.
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Is it a closed cabinet? Would a front ported sub work? Can we get a picture?
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Yeah the cabinet is closed. I don't know enough about subs to say if a front ported design would work or not. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ericonline View Post



Yeah the cabinet is closed. I don't know enough about subs to say if a front ported design would work or not. Thanks.
Thanks for the pic. Low frequency sound from subwoofers is omnidirectional. Meaning that it travels in all directions like a wave in a pond when you throw a rock in. You are going to lose a LOT of the sound by having it in that cabinet. Some of it will reflect out if the cabinet is open but that may be the worst place I can think of to put a sub. Just sayin...
I think it would be best to go with something front ported or sealed.
What size is the room?
Sorry, I just reread your post and noticed the dimensions. Nevermind.
If that is the limit to your budget and the SB1000 will fit, that may be your best bet. It is probably the best sub you listed for music. As you have already stated, it will not fill the room with bass but I dont think that anything that will fit in there would.
Edited by Bond 007 - 2/25/13 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by IndyStreetRacer View Post

Hey Jim, I found this deal on a Pinnacle PS SUB 225 12" powered subwoofer at Radio Shack $164.99

Thanks for posting that. When I reviewed the SUB 225 last year I found it a bit lacking, but for $165 it's quite a deal.
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Appreciate both replies. I've been using the Polk PSW111 that I got for free and while I don't love it (low range is lacking, hit or miss for music depending on the song) I much prefer it to having no subwoofer installed at all. Obviously I am not an audiophile but when sitting near (within 15 feet) the subwoofer it adds a lot of depth to the music. So I would guess a SVS SB-1000, Klipsch SW-310, Polk DSW MicroPro 1000, or MartinLogan Dynamo 700 should be at least a significant improvement over the PSW111. Well, I'll choose one of those and let you guys know if it was a waste of money or not.
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Can you get away with taking the door(s) off? That'll help a lot. Then front-firing will probably be slightly better.

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Prob can't take the doors off, but I can keep em open when listening to music or watching a movie. I have found that helps improve the sound a bit with the PSW111.
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What I've seen a lot of people do is cut out the center of the door and replace it with a black cloth grille. Is there anyway you could get another door and cut it up to do that? That would probably look ok and sound better and if it looks really bad you can always put the original door back on.
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Not a bad idea. I think removing the door alltogether might be the best solution. I think the wife will go along with that.
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It's easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission.

Just sayin'.

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MartinLogan Dynamo 300 seems to be back in stock at Audioholics $129 Free Shipping.

http://store.audioholics.com/speakers/subwoofers/martinlogan-dynamo-300.html

I think it has been on sale cheaper at times but it seems to be sold out at a lot of places. Anybody have any thought on this sub?
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Originally Posted by ericonline View Post

MartinLogan Dynamo 300 seems to be back in stock at Audioholics $129 Free Shipping.

http://store.audioholics.com/speakers/subwoofers/martinlogan-dynamo-300.html

I think it has been on sale cheaper at times but it seems to be sold out at a lot of places. Anybody have any thought on this sub?

If you can manage $150, I'd go with the JBL SUB150P. A 10" driver 300 watt RMS amp vs 8" with 75 watt RMS. You'd be getting much more sub for the money.
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Originally Posted by ericonline View Post

MartinLogan Dynamo 300 seems to be back in stock at Audioholics $129 Free Shipping.

http://store.audioholics.com/speakers/subwoofers/martinlogan-dynamo-300.html

I think it has been on sale cheaper at times but it seems to be sold out at a lot of places. Anybody have any thought on this sub?

Based on the specifications posted at the linked site, anemic.

At this quality level, my opinion, one is augmenting their mains/center channel but not improving subwoofer (LFE) frequencies. This type of sub, again my opinion, help aid the mid-bass as opposed to lower bass. If you're wanting to improve your lower bass response, you're going have to get a larger woofer and a more powerful Amp as it's all about moving air.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 2/26/13 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by ericonline View Post

MartinLogan Dynamo 300 seems to be back in stock at Audioholics $129 Free Shipping.

http://store.audioholics.com/speakers/subwoofers/martinlogan-dynamo-300.html

I think it has been on sale cheaper at times but it seems to be sold out at a lot of places. Anybody have any thought on this sub?
Its 8" and 75 watts. Why bother?
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

If you can manage $150, I'd go with the JBL SUB150P. A 10" driver 300 watt RMS amp vs 8" with 75 watt RMS. You'd be getting much more sub for the money.
Just a reminder. Some people have had quality issues with these. Bad amps and circuit boards.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Just a reminder. Some people have had quality issues with these. Bad amps and circuit boards.

Not seeing that in the Amazon or Newegg reviews. I know that the JBL ES series had some problems, but the Studio series subs, too?
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Not seeing that in the Amazon or Newegg reviews. I know that the JBL ES series had some problems, but the Studio series subs, too?
Sorry. I stand corrected. It is indeed the ES series that has the problems.
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I absolutely ADORE MartinLogan stuff, but that sub is only going off the name of ML...not much beyond that. wink.gif
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Looking for some help.

Finally realized my 10 year old velodyne CT80 just isn't cutting anymore. It just doesn't have the bottom octave that I want and with a 8-inch driver I probably shouldn't be expecting it. I am currently running a Pioneer 821 avr, Klipsch reference RF10 theater system (essentially this without the sub http://www.klipsch.com/rf-10-home-theater-system) in a large open room with hardwood floors. So I am looking for something with at least a 10 inch driver but in the $150 range. I know - I am cheap bastard. I have ruled out the Klipsch 12d due to cost and size considerations and now I am thinking of these possibilities mentioned in this thread.

JBL SUB150P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157

Pinnacle® PS SUB 225
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4134749&prodFindSrc=cart

Am i correct in assuming these would represent a large step up from my Velo? Any other contenders you would recommend? Should I look for forward firing or downward firing given my floors?

Right now I leaning towards the JBL based on its specs despite its looks.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by rodgermorales View Post

Looking for some help.

Finally realized my 10 year old velodyne CT80 just isn't cutting anymore. It just doesn't have the bottom octave that I want and with a 8-inch driver I probably shouldn't be expecting it. I am currently running a Pioneer 821 avr, Klipsch reference RF10 theater system (essentially this without the sub http://www.klipsch.com/rf-10-home-theater-system) in a large open room with hardwood floors. So I am looking for something with at least a 10 inch driver but in the $150 range. I know - I am cheap bastard. I have ruled out the Klipsch 12d due to cost and size considerations and now I am thinking of these possibilities mentioned in this thread.

JBL SUB150P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157

Pinnacle® PS SUB 225
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4134749&prodFindSrc=cart

Am i correct in assuming these would represent a large step up from my Velo? Any other contenders you would recommend? Should I look for forward firing or downward firing given my floors?

Right now I leaning towards the JBL based on its specs despite its looks.

Thanks!

You have not provided your room measurements. Based on Jim's review , the PS10 seems to offer a good value. You can also consider Dayton SUB-1200
Edited by Daphnis - 2/28/13 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by rodgermorales View Post

Looking for some help.

Finally realized my 10 year old velodyne CT80 just isn't cutting anymore. It just doesn't have the bottom octave that I want and with a 8-inch driver I probably shouldn't be expecting it. I am currently running a Pioneer 821 avr, Klipsch reference RF10 theater system (essentially this without the sub http://www.klipsch.com/rf-10-home-theater-system) in a large open room with hardwood floors. So I am looking for something with at least a 10 inch driver but in the $150 range. I know - I am cheap bastard. I have ruled out the Klipsch 12d due to cost and size considerations and now I am thinking of these possibilities mentioned in this thread.

JBL SUB150P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157

Pinnacle® PS SUB 225
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4134749&prodFindSrc=cart

Am i correct in assuming these would represent a large step up from my Velo? Any other contenders you would recommend? Should I look for forward firing or downward firing given my floors?

Right now I leaning towards the JBL based on its specs despite its looks.

Thanks!
There are no specs for the Pinnacle other than 225 watts, 12" and 30 Hz. 225 watts but they dont say peak or rms which could make a big difference. And 30 Hz is most likely a stretch of the truth at best. There are no reviews. I dont like buying anything with so little info. OUT with the Pinnacle.
The JBL is 300 watt rms, 10" and 27 Hz (which may be exaggerated but is almost certainly at least as good as the Pinnacle). All the reviews for it are very good.
Of the 2 I would definitely go with the JBL.
imo forward firing or down firing will make no difference.
The Bic F12 is a good option but costs about $50 more. It is a 12" and has 150 rms. It may provide a little more output than the JBL but it may not. I really dont know. Its a 12" with 150rms vs a 10" with 300 rms. I have not heard the JBL but I do own the F12 and I suspect the JBL would be better for music and probably just as good for movies.
For the price I think the JBL is very hard to beat.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

There are no specs for the Pinnacle other than 225 watts, 12" and 30 Hz. 225 watts but they dont say peak or rms which could make a big difference. And 30 Hz is most likely a stretch of the truth at best. There are no reviews. I dont like buying anything with so little info. OUT with the Pinnacle.

I wouldn't say there are no reviews...
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

I wouldn't say there are no reviews...
A case where 1 excellent, fair and informed review can be worth more than many owner reviews. smile.gif
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I appologize if someone already reviewed and/or commented on this sub, but I didn't see it. I see the Acoustic Audio PSW-12 on sale now for about $150. Anybody knows how this compares to other similar budget subs?
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Originally Posted by rodgermorales View Post

Looking for some help.

Finally realized my 10 year old velodyne CT80 just isn't cutting anymore. It just doesn't have the bottom octave that I want and with a 8-inch driver I probably shouldn't be expecting it. I am currently running a Pioneer 821 avr, Klipsch reference RF10 theater system (essentially this without the sub http://www.klipsch.com/rf-10-home-theater-system) in a large open room with hardwood floors. So I am looking for something with at least a 10 inch driver but in the $150 range. I know - I am cheap bastard. I have ruled out the Klipsch 12d due to cost and size considerations and now I am thinking of these possibilities mentioned in this thread.

JBL SUB150P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157

Pinnacle® PS SUB 225
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4134749&prodFindSrc=cart

Am i correct in assuming these would represent a large step up from my Velo? Any other contenders you would recommend? Should I look for forward firing or downward firing given my floors?

Right now I leaning towards the JBL based on its specs despite its looks.

Thanks!

No offense, but at $150 I don't think you should expect to really gain that missing octave that your current sub is lacking. The only one in that price range that could really do much below 30Hz is probably the Dayton Sub-1200.

It doesn't make sense to spend money getting an incremental or lateral "upgrade". You will probably still feel like you are missing what you want. Save another 100-150 bucks and get that RW-12d.

Otherwise IMO you are wasting your money. It's one thing to be cheap, but if you are on a severe budget spending $150 on a non-upgrade is a much worse investment than doing nothing, or saving some more money for a real upgrade.
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Originally Posted by rodgermorales View Post

Looking for some help.

Finally realized my 10 year old velodyne CT80 just isn't cutting anymore. It just doesn't have the bottom octave that I want and with a 8-inch driver I probably shouldn't be expecting it. I am currently running a Pioneer 821 avr, Klipsch reference RF10 theater system (essentially this without the sub http://www.klipsch.com/rf-10-home-theater-system) in a large open room with hardwood floors. So I am looking for something with at least a 10 inch driver but in the $150 range. I know - I am cheap bastard. I have ruled out the Klipsch 12d due to cost and size considerations and now I am thinking of these possibilities mentioned in this thread.

JBL SUB150P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882665157

Pinnacle® PS SUB 225
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4134749&prodFindSrc=cart

Am i correct in assuming these would represent a large step up from my Velo? Any other contenders you would recommend? Should I look for forward firing or downward firing given my floors?

Right now I leaning towards the JBL based on its specs despite its looks.

Thanks!
If you are dead set on only spending $150 you should get the JBL or the Dayton SUB 1200. Either one will give you a lot more than you have not running a sub and more than you had with the Velodyne. Heck, almost any sub will be better than no sub.

Al
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

A case where 1 excellent, fair and informed review can be worth more than many owner reviews. smile.gif

I don't know about excellent, but at least it's fair... biggrin.gif
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I don't know about excellent, but at least it's fair... biggrin.gif

I don't know about that other review. Saw somewhere that guy has a BIG mouth (hehe) wink.gif
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I don't know about excellent, but at least it's fair... biggrin.gif
Sorry. I should have added "in my opinion". wink.gif
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