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post #1261 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I think the guy is a little too enthusiastic and is overselling it a bit but it sounds like it is a nice sub. I guess someone needs to buy one so we can find out. BeeMan? smile.gif

Sorry, my last couple of splurges have has been on a couple of sound meters and a couple of hum eliminators. The two (60Hz ground loop) hum eliminators will be here tomorrow.

TII Ground Loop Isolator (TII 220)

It will be put between the Comcast cable and the modem box. And if dat don't work then I'll hook this bad boy up.

ART DTI Hum Eliminator

This is the next sound meter to arrive but I'm not sure on it's arrival as it's in the hands of the US Post Office. eek.gif

Either which way, you're on your own with the subwoofer review. tongue.gif

I have to get rid of the ground loop as I have a terrible problem with reinforcement/null measurements between the 52Hz to 90Hz range of the REW measurement graph.



Everything else is in the +/*3dB range.

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/4/13 at 5:14pm
post #1262 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

That 4 foot opening might present a challenge. If it was simply a standard doorway width I would say either of those two subs would probably be fine, but 4 foot could add some additional considerations. So could the percentage of music; were it not for that I would have said get a pair of F12's and call it a day, but the RW-12d is perhaps the better choice. I'd suggest you get one of the Klipsch subs and see what it can do. If you find it's not sufficient then at some point you can pick up another.

Thanks all,

After a little further research (and a little input), I think I will be going with the RW 12D and see how she works out.

Thanks again!

Robbie
post #1263 of 2778
hi guys i am looking for this budget sub for my HT, i am looking for this sub dayton 1200 will be fine for my set up?or is this sub is good?
post #1264 of 2778
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Originally Posted by caloyzki 
i am looking for this sub dayton 1200 will be fine for my set up?
How are we supposed to answer that if you haven't told us what your setup is?

Room dimensions. Budget. Dear lord, give us something to go on...
post #1265 of 2778
Jeepers, the more I read about the more I'd really like to hear that JBL Studio 1 Series SUB150P! Not many are buying this sub and it's probably because of the "different" look of it and maybe the bad press JBL get's for some of their amps.
I got the Newegg email this morning and they have it on sale again for $149.99 with the coupon code. What got me is when I clicked on the feedback for it. Only eight people left feedback but they're all 5 stars and all eight people love this sub. Yeah, it's only eight but all of them 5 stars does say something.
I was just thinkin'.

Al
post #1266 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Pete7874 View Post

How are we supposed to answer that if you haven't told us what your setup is?

Room dimensions. Budget. Dear lord, give us something to go on...
i am sorry sir. i am not sure about my room dimension, but it is very small living room.
and here is my set up.
2 Energy RC 70 Fronts
Energy V5.2C center
Energy V Mini surrounds
Denon 1612 Receiver.

if get the Dayton 1200 sub, is this sub will be a good fit for my set up? thanks.
post #1267 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

Jeepers, the more I read about the more I'd really like to hear that JBL Studio 1 Series SUB150P! Not many are buying this sub and it's probably because of the "different" look of it and maybe the bad press JBL get's for some of their amps.
I got the Newegg email this morning and they have it on sale again for $149.99 with the coupon code. What got me is when I clicked on the feedback for it. Only eight people left feedback but they're all 5 stars and all eight people love this sub. Yeah, it's only eight but all of them 5 stars does say something.
I was just thinkin'.

Al
Agreed. There is one guy on AVS that bought it and he likes it too.
post #1268 of 2778
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

I got the Newegg email this morning and they have it on sale again for $149.99 with the coupon code. What got me is when I clicked on the feedback for it. Only eight people left feedback but they're all 5 stars and all eight people love this sub. Yeah, it's only eight but all of them 5 stars does say something.

I was just thinkin'.

Sounds like a good candidate for your first review? wink.gif $150 is not all that much, to be honest, so why not? And no, I'm not being facetious - that's precisely how I started doing reviews. It might be worth a shot...
post #1269 of 2778
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post

i am sorry sir. i am not sure about my room dimension, but it is very small living room.

and here is my set up.
2 Energy RC 70 Fronts
Energy V5.2C center
Energy V Mini surrounds
Denon 1612 Receiver.

if get the Dayton 1200 sub, is this sub will be a good fit for my set up? thanks.

Pete's right actually; the size of your room is one of the most critical factors when determining what type of subwoofer will/won't work. But just in general...

The Dayton isn't the cleanest sounding sub on the planet, so for music it may not suffice. For primarily HT it works pretty good though. Your fronts and center are fine, but the surrounds could prove to be the challenging part. They have fairly small drivers, so crossing those over at anything lower than 80Hz would be a bad idea. That means the sub will be playing up that high, even though your other channels would probably be fine with 60Hz. Because the SUB-1200 lacks a bit of articulation the lower you cross it over the better. Beyond that -- and your room size, of course -- I don't see much in the way of issues, so long as you keep your expectations in line with what the capabilities of a $100 sub are.
post #1270 of 2778
If you can spare $50 more I would say skip the dayton and go for the JBL Studio 150P. It would probably be better for music and fine for movies. I have the ES150 and t sounds alright for music and good for movies and it has the same driver and same specs.
post #1271 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Sounds like a good candidate for your first review? wink.gif $150 is not all that much, to be honest, so why not? And no, I'm not being facetious - that's precisely how I started doing reviews. It might be worth a shot...

Oh' no Jim!

I would just as soon read your reviews. As a matter of fact, I get more from a review that's done in the manner that you choose to write them, without all the numbers and graphs that I don't really understand. Of course, due to this thread, I've been sorta teaching myself how to make sense of them because it is interesting. The thing is, a guy who's asking for help with a sub purchase more than likely would be somewhat confused with all the technical stuff and therefore could be unintenionally mislead. When you do the review and tell folks how the sub actually sounds to you with a given media, I believe it helps a guy more than a bunch of graphs and technical talk especially a novice in the sub world like me. Yeah, the graphs and specs are cool and helpful but I like the way you just give your honest opinion on how the sub performs, in your room, in a way that folks can understand. And I am often misunderstood!

Keep it up Jim!

Al
post #1272 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Pete's right actually; the size of your room is one of the most critical factors when determining what type of subwoofer will/won't work. But just in general...

The Dayton isn't the cleanest sounding sub on the planet, so for music it may not suffice. For primarily HT it works pretty good though. Your fronts and center are fine, but the surrounds could prove to be the challenging part. They have fairly small drivers, so crossing those over at anything lower than 80Hz would be a bad idea. That means the sub will be playing up that high, even though your other channels would probably be fine with 60Hz. Because the SUB-1200 lacks a bit of articulation the lower you cross it over the better. Beyond that -- and your room size, of course -- I don't see much in the way of issues, so long as you keep your expectations in line with what the capabilities of a $100 sub are.

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Originally Posted by swim33 View Post

If you can spare $50 more I would say skip the dayton and go for the JBL Studio 150P. It would probably be better for music and fine for movies. I have the ES150 and t sounds alright for music and good for movies and it has the same driver and same specs.
thank you so much. so after i run my audysy, should i tweak my fronts 60hz, center 60hz and surround 100hz? is that fine? and leave the LFE 120hz?
i only use my set up 99% for movies and 1% for music.
post #1273 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

Oh' no Jim!

I would just as soon read your reviews. As a matter of fact, I get more from a review that's done in the manner that you choose to write them, without all the numbers and graphs that I don't really understand. Of course, due to this thread, I've been sorta teaching myself how to make sense of them because it is interesting. The thing is, a guy who's asking for help with a sub purchase more than likely would be somewhat confused with all the technical stuff and therefore could be unintenionally mislead. When you do the review and tell folks how the sub actually sounds to you with a given media, I believe it helps a guy more than a bunch of graphs and technical talk especially a novice in the sub world like me. Yeah, the graphs and specs are cool and helpful but I like the way you just give your honest opinion on how the sub performs, in your room, in a way that folks can understand. And I am often misunderstood!

Keep it up Jim!

Al;

Thank you - that's very generous of you to say. I'm always glad to hear when someone finds the reviews useful. Makes all the time and effort worth it.
post #1274 of 2778
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Originally Posted by caloyzki View Post


thank you so much. so after i run my audysy, should i tweak my fronts 60hz, center 60hz and surround 100hz? is that fine? and leave the LFE 120hz?
i only use my set up 99% for movies and 1% for music.

batpigworld.com should have everything you want to know about setting up the Denon's Audyssey configuration correctly. It's the resource I used.

I figured I would chime in with my long overdue mini-review of the Dayton Sub-1200 I have been running for a few months now.

Overall, my initial impression was one of disappointment, or at least the feeling of being underwhelmed. With time, though, I have come to realize that the source of my disappointment should probably have actually been a source of pleasant surprise. I'll explain.

My room is about 13x15x8 with no windows and fairly enclosed (two doorways, one of which seals off). My setup is Pioneers in front (FS51s/C21) and Energy Micros for surrounds. I would have strongly preferred to stick with an all Andrew Jones lineup, but with no ability to mount the BS21's on the wall, that was a non-starter for me. Since I had originally planned to use Micros for the whole setup, I already had them, and with their high WAF, I just used those. This was all replacing a H/K HKTS 14 5.1 set, albeit one I had not had setup in quite some time (and never at the new house).

I had watched several movies in the 5.0 setup prior to the arrival of the Dayton and was so impressed with the rich, full sound I already had from the Pioneers that I really did wonder how much a sub was going to help. When it arrived, I hooked it up and configured it using Audyssey on my Denon 1612. At first listen, my fears were confirmed as I could hear a difference, but it was only a very subtle difference. I thought maybe something wasn't configured or working right, but after checking all and tweaking some Audyssey settings, I realized everything was working just as it should. I would even turn the sub on and off during a movie just to make sure there really was a difference. Of course there was, although it was typically subtle. I was disappointed.

But with time, I realized something. It's not knocking my socks off every time it kicks in because it's not necessarily supposed to. It's supposed to add punch to the mix only when called for. And even when it does, it shouldn't be noticeable in and of itself as much as it should be blending seamlessly with the sound coming from the other speakers. I realized this is how it usually sounds at the movies. And all of this it has done wonderfully.

Now I have no doubt part of this seamless transition is due a) to Audyssey and b) to the quality of the FS51s (which continue to impress me), but when I purchased the Dayton, I never, ever expected "subtle" or "nuanced" to be a word I would use to describe it. Yet I do, and I use those terms as compliments. It is not a one note wonder that just plays some random bass to create some emphasis. It is never muddy. It blends in perfectly on music (and while I don't JUST listen to music on the system, per se, I do watch a fair amount of musical content). When it needs to provide some serious power (Avengers, for example), it does so effortlessly.

Now in the interest of full disclosure, I don't tend to go up terribly high in volume due to personal tastes (-10dB is about the highest I go), and so I realize this affects my perception (perhaps significantly) compared with what others would think. For me though, this sub was the absolute perfect match. It gives what it needs to when it needs to in a manner that is very clean to my ears. However, considering the overall subtlety of its addition, I think that if I had spent any more money than I did, I would have been very disappointed in the return on investment.

Moving forward, I do need perform a subwoofer crawl at some point (probably the summer), and I'm hoping this adds a little more "feel" to the speaker. I also am going to try to change out the Micros for a different wall mountable satellite with bigger drivers so the blend is a little better (once in a blue moon, I do hear the transition, likely due to the frequency hole that exists with the surrounds). Still, these are very minor quibbles from someone who is overall very happy with his purchase.

Lastly, the speaker really does look nice too. And my wife was happy that a cheap black Target end table we already had sitting around could be placed on the other side of the TV to provide a pretty good symmetry. I guess she didn't like my proposed solution to create symmetry smile.gif
post #1275 of 2778
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Originally Posted by ORPhD View Post

batpigworld.com should have everything you want to know about setting up the Denon's Audyssey configuration correctly. It's the resource I used.

I figured I would chime in with my long overdue mini-review of the Dayton Sub-1200 I have been running for a few months now.

Overall, my initial impression was one of disappointment, or at least the feeling of being underwhelmed. With time, though, I have come to realize that the source of my disappointment should probably have actually been a source of pleasant surprise. I'll explain.

My room is about 13x15x8 with no windows and fairly enclosed (two doorways, one of which seals off). My setup is Pioneers in front (FS51s/C21) and Energy Micros for surrounds. I would have strongly preferred to stick with an all Andrew Jones lineup, but with no ability to mount the BS21's on the wall, that was a non-starter for me. Since I had originally planned to use Micros for the whole setup, I already had them, and with their high WAF, I just used those. This was all replacing a H/K HKTS 14 5.1 set, albeit one I had not had setup in quite some time (and never at the new house).

I had watched several movies in the 5.0 setup prior to the arrival of the Dayton and was so impressed with the rich, full sound I already had from the Pioneers that I really did wonder how much a sub was going to help. When it arrived, I hooked it up and configured it using Audyssey on my Denon 1612. At first listen, my fears were confirmed as I could hear a difference, but it was only a very subtle difference. I thought maybe something wasn't configured or working right, but after checking all and tweaking some Audyssey settings, I realized everything was working just as it should. I would even turn the sub on and off during a movie just to make sure there really was a difference. Of course there was, although it was typically subtle. I was disappointed.

But with time, I realized something. It's not knocking my socks off every time it kicks in because it's not necessarily supposed to. It's supposed to add punch to the mix only when called for. And even when it does, it shouldn't be noticeable in and of itself as much as it should be blending seamlessly with the sound coming from the other speakers. I realized this is how it usually sounds at the movies. And all of this it has done wonderfully.

Now I have no doubt part of this seamless transition is due a) to Audyssey and b) to the quality of the FS51s (which continue to impress me), but when I purchased the Dayton, I never, ever expected "subtle" or "nuanced" to be a word I would use to describe it. Yet I do, and I use those terms as compliments. It is not a one note wonder that just plays some random bass to create some emphasis. It is never muddy. It blends in perfectly on music (and while I don't JUST listen to music on the system, per se, I do watch a fair amount of musical content). When it needs to provide some serious power (Avengers, for example), it does so effortlessly.

Now in the interest of full disclosure, I don't tend to go up terribly high in volume due to personal tastes (-10dB is about the highest I go), and so I realize this affects my perception (perhaps significantly) compared with what others would think. For me though, this sub was the absolute perfect match. It gives what it needs to when it needs to in a manner that is very clean to my ears. However, considering the overall subtlety of its addition, I think that if I had spent any more money than I did, I would have been very disappointed in the return on investment.

Moving forward, I do need perform a subwoofer crawl at some point (probably the summer), and I'm hoping this adds a little more "feel" to the speaker. I also am going to try to change out the Micros for a different wall mountable satellite with bigger drivers so the blend is a little better (once in a blue moon, I do hear the transition, likely due to the frequency hole that exists with the surrounds). Still, these are very minor quibbles from someone who is overall very happy with his purchase.

Lastly, the speaker really does look nice too. And my wife was happy that a cheap black Target end table we already had sitting around could be placed on the other side of the TV to provide a pretty good symmetry. I guess she didn't like my proposed solution to create symmetry smile.gif
thanks for your wonderful feedback! i will pull the trigger now!
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post #1277 of 2778
i,m going to go with either the bicf12 or psw505.so who has the best prices on the bic f12 and psw505
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ORPhD View Post

I figured I would chime in with my long overdue mini-review of the Dayton Sub-1200 I have been running for a few months now.

Thanks for contributing your thoughts. I'm sure others looking at the SUB-1200 will find your insight useful.
post #1279 of 2778
What is everyone's favorite sub for under $300? Personal favorite. Don't have to justify it any more than you like it best.
post #1280 of 2778
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Originally Posted by CrownedRoyal View Post

What is everyone's favorite sub for under $300? Personal favorite. Don't have to justify it any more than you like it best.
Klipsch RW-12d.
post #1281 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post


Klipsch RW-12d.

 

+1

 

That would be my choice also.

post #1282 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Klipsch RW-12d.
Did you get it on sale somewhere? I havent seen it for less than $350
post #1283 of 2778
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Did you get it on sale somewhere? I havent seen it for less than $350

It is on sale every other week at Newegg for $299. Currently on sale until 3/11. Follow this thread and this one as well.
post #1284 of 2778
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What is everyone's favorite sub for under $300? Personal favorite. Don't have to justify it any more than you like it best.

I have two, not one.

I'm a long standing Klipsch fanboy. That said, my two favs are the Klipsch, RW-12d and the BIC, PL-200 that's a few dollars more.

(Yes, before someone says anything, I know the PL-200 is a bit more than $300.00.)
post #1285 of 2778
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What is everyone's favorite sub for under $300? Personal favorite. Don't have to justify it any more than you like it best.
DIY. wink.gifcool.gif
post #1286 of 2778
Which, under $300.00, DIY sub is your fav?
post #1287 of 2778
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Which, under $300.00, DIY sub is your fav?
Parts Express Annual Tent Sale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CES4b4zfK80
post #1288 of 2778
So you're suggesting just grab anything DIY that totals under $300.00?

(Yes, I'm making a point in my above)

Can you suggest what your fav is; driver, box, amplifier? That was a lot of random gear.

(Yes, wild video, love it, glad I'm not there) tongue.gif

Yes, I've made several Parts Express purchases over the last few months so yes, being positive, I'm a fan of Parts Express but for a noob, they need more guidance than simply DIY. Just saying.

This is a link to recently purchased drivers from Parts Express.

This looks like a nice box for a 12" driver.

Coupled with a nice Crown Amp. biggrin.gif

Unfortunately, my DIY tastes are a bit more than $300.00.

Now you have me looking at a couple of boxes with a Crown, XLS 1500 amplifier. tongue.gif

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Edited by BeeMan458 - 3/9/13 at 6:30am
post #1289 of 2778
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Originally Posted by CrownedRoyal View Post

What is everyone's favorite sub for under $300? Personal favorite. Don't have to justify it any more than you like it best.

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Originally Posted by BeeMan458 View Post

So you're suggesting just grab anything DIY that totals under $300.00?

(Yes, I'm making a point in my above)

Can you suggest what your fav is; driver, box, amplifier?

(Yes, wild video, love it, glad I'm not there) tongue.gif

Yes, I've made several Parts Express purchases over the last few months so yes, being positive, I'm a fan of Parts Express but for a noob, they need more guidance than just do DIY. Just saying.
And thus the reason for this website. There is a DIY section specifically aimed at noob's. wink.gif As for answering your question, sub box w/12" cutout and grill - $25, Dayton Audio SPA500 500W Subwoofer Plate Amplifier $89, Dayton Audio RSS315HO-4 12" Reference HO Subwoofer 4 Ohm $79 = one helluva GREAT SUB!!! (and I made 2! cool.gif)
post #1290 of 2778
Oh, and BeeMan, you really DO want to be there...Just fabulous deals that are seriously unheard of... wink.gif But you gotta get there early for the best stuff. Was thinking about 18" subs this year... cool.gif
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