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Originally Posted by vincedea View Post

I was search on. Craigslist and I found an ad for a velodyne vx 11 subwoofer which looks to be in good condition. The seller is selling it for$100 or best offer, for $100 is it worth it, what would be a good price or fair price?

Depends upon how used it is, but something around $100 might not be too bad. If that's your budget the Dayton SUB-1200 might be worth considering as well. Probably won't be as nice as the VX11, but it will be new with a warranty.

I was able to get it for $80 biggrin.gif.

Now I'm using this sub to go with nht superzero 2.0. I have everything hooked up and I'm using the speaker level outputs and inputs. How do I figure out what's the correct crossover so that everything sounds good?
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Thanks for the write up. I always like it when someone other then me adds their two cents. tongue.gif

Your assessment is pretty close to my own too. For the $$ it certainly can't be beat.

Agreed (not that I don't like reading Jim's reviews wink.gif ). Thanks for sharing, kesando.

It's also really nice to hear from someone who has Emotiva and SVS subs to compare it to.
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Originally Posted by vincedea View Post

I was able to get it for $80 biggrin.gif.

Now I'm using this sub to go with nht superzero 2.0. I have everything hooked up and I'm using the speaker level outputs and inputs. How do I figure out what's the correct crossover so that everything sounds good?

Good job on getting the sub for a great price. Looks like it was around $250 when it was still available. Also stated to be an entry level 10" sub with a modest class D amp.

What AVR do you have, does it have a mic for auto speaker setup?
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Good job on getting the sub for a great price. Looks like it was around $250 when it was still available. Also stated to be an entry level 10" sub with a modest class D amp.

What AVR do you have, does it have a mic for auto speaker setup?

i am currently using this amp http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/a100.

So everything is setup through the speaker level inputs/outputs. My volume is set at somewhat low and I only have been playing with the crossover knobs and volume until I found the perfect sound. Is there a correct way of setting up the crossover to the speakers?

here is a link to the speakers I have http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-speaker-SuperZero-2-0_X
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Originally Posted by DaveCarrera4 View Post

Good write up, and nice job on checking extension. Way I see it most folks have no clue on this stuff, and if they are on a budget, end up with a HTIB. That is certainly an improvement over TV speakers in modern thin LCD/Plasma sets, but they could do so much better with some research and purchase of some of the budget items mentioned on AVS. And, yes I'd bet the 12" is much better in the same small room.

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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Thanks for the write up. I always like it when someone other then me adds their two cents. tongue.gif

Your assessment is pretty close to my own too. For the $$ it certainly can't be beat.

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Agreed (not that I don't like reading Jim's reviews wink.gif ). Thanks for sharing, kesando.

It's also really nice to hear from someone who has Emotiva and SVS subs to compare it to.

Thanks guys for the comments. I just hope that my mini review will be helpful to those in need of a sub around $100. At this point I feel that the Dayton Sub line may be the subwoofers to beat under $100-$150.

I set it up at its new home yesterday and it paired really well with her Vizio sound bar. I must say it was quite satisfying playing music at her apartment both with and without the sub playing. She was blown away by the difference to say the least and overall is very happy with my gift to her. smile.gif

BTW Jim, I look forward to reading your review on the Sub-1200.
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A pair of RW-12d's are in route to OKC biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Should be here in a 2-3 days and I'll definitely do a first impressions with pictures and then come back in a few weeks or so to see what I think of them as I get to listen to more content over time. Hoping I made a decent decision....for $560 for a pair....not bad at all.
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Parts Express subs are the best kept secret... wink.gif
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So I was just browsing through the manual of the Nxg-bas-500 the other day and I noticed a rather surprising illustration of the amp panel and power draw requirements on page 3: http://www.nxgtechnology.com/images/manuals/NX-BAS-500_manual.pdf

85 watts power draw... confused.gif
That seems a little low to me, would that not put the continuous/rms output power slightly below that (at the very least).

I know you can do quite a bit with 85 watts, but if the Bic f12's rms power is anywhere near accurate that's the potential for a 3db gap (effeciency dependant of course).

Might be a little off topic, but I figured it was worth pointing out.
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Ordered the NXG-500 sub yesterday, plus the BIC SH-56 Soundbar.
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Originally Posted by Mik James View Post

So I was just browsing through the manual of the Nxg-bas-500 the other day and I noticed a rather surprising illustration of the amp panel and power draw requirements on page 3: http://www.nxgtechnology.com/images/manuals/NX-BAS-500_manual.pdf

85 watts power draw... confused.gif
That seems a little low to me, would that not put the continuous/rms output power slightly below that (at the very least).

I know you can do quite a bit with 85 watts, but if the Bic f12's rms power is anywhere near accurate that's the potential for a 3db gap (effeciency dependant of course).

Might be a little off topic, but I figured it was worth pointing out.

85 watts would be UL power rating which is measured in a test setup with the idea of duplicating actual use. In actual use with music current drain is always a tiny fraction of test bench power ratings with a pure steady sine waves at peak undistorted levels.
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Woot has a sale of Pinnacle Speakers going on right now w/ 3 subs to choose from.

http://www.woot.com/plus/go-tell-it-on-the-pinnacle-speakers
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Woot has a sale of Pinnacle Speakers going on right now w/ 3 subs to choose from.

http://www.woot.com/plus/go-tell-it-on-the-pinnacle-speakers

Regarding the Pinnacle subs on w00t... be very cautious of purchasing the SuperSonic. I picked one up to try it out and possibly do a review - sadly, Pinnacle refuses to respond to anyone who wants to evaluate their products so I was forced to go this route if I wanted to try one - but it kept overheating and going into thermal shutdown. I wasn't ever able to watch a single blu-ray because of it, and that's with the subs gain at 9 o'clock and my AVR trim at 0dB.

I tried the SuperSonic because I was curious about the isobaric design (I'm fascinated by anything different like that). If Pinnacle had chosen a cooler running amp, like a Class D, it might have worked, but since they went with an A/B instead the lack of efficiency inherent in those amps caused issues. At least in this case if did.
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Good to know.
Thanks, Jim.
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http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=9723&seq=1&format=2#description

Spec wise this seems comparable to the Bic F12 for half the price.


The Monoprice 12" has been on the list for a while, but the Klipsch I'm not sure what to do with. I had it listed for a long time - because it seems to be on sale almost as often as it's not - but I ultimately removed it because I could never tell when/how long the sale would be. I'm open to suggestions at this point though.
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Great thread, wish I had the attention span to make it through all 56 pages...

I think my Elemental Designs sub is dying again. The original amp bit it last fall so I replaced it with a Parts Express replacement. Seems like that amp started out like a champ, but dwindled off a bit then had longer and longer delays for the auo-on. When the sub is up and running it's a monster (for a low-mid end sub anyway), but I just want something that works all the time.

After a quick read through this thread I'm looking at the Bic Venturi Vk-12 and Klipsch RW-12d. Any other suggestions? I'd like to stay lower than $400, but don't want to cut the price down so much and lose meaningful performance.

It's going to end up living in a dedicated theater that will be about 16.5w X 30-ish L X 8 h, but for now we're set up in the LR that's 18W X 22L with 8' vaulted ceilings up to 12'. The room is also open almost all around, so it's not really a contained space.

TIA
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I have heard very little about the VK-12 but from what most people say on this forum the RW-12d would probably perform better.
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Originally Posted by OMBen View Post

After a quick read through this thread I'm looking at the Bic Venturi Vk-12 and Klipsch RW-12d. Any other suggestions? I'd like to stay lower than $400, but don't want to cut the price down so much and lose meaningful performance.

It's going to end up living in a dedicated theater that will be about 16.5w X 30-ish L X 8 h, but for now we're set up in the LR that's 18W X 22L with 8' vaulted ceilings up to 12'. The room is also open almost all around, so it's not really a contained space.

The room your sub will ultimately end up in is around 4000 ft^3, which is probably too large for either of those subs. If you're only going to buy a single unit the Rythmik LV-12R is a better option to consider.
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If you save $180 more you can get the LV12r

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save $150 more and get 2 rw-12d's

OR

buy one rw-12d now and another when you get another $150 (if you think you'd like another one)


I've never heard the lv12r, but it will likely be a much better sub than the rw-12....but it should be when 1 costs more than 2 rw-12d's.
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i would up the budget and go with a entry level hsu, svs pb1000 , or my preferred choice the LV12. Buy something quality and you will not have to worry about amp failures.
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Originally Posted by OMBen View Post

Great thread, wish I had the attention span to make it through all 56 pages...

I think my Elemental Designs sub is dying again. The original amp bit it last fall so I replaced it with a Parts Express replacement. Seems like that amp started out like a champ, but dwindled off a bit then had longer and longer delays for the auo-on. When the sub is up and running it's a monster (for a low-mid end sub anyway), but I just want something that works all the time.

After a quick read through this thread I'm looking at the Bic Venturi Vk-12 and Klipsch RW-12d. Any other suggestions? I'd like to stay lower than $400, but don't want to cut the price down so much and lose meaningful performance.

It's going to end up living in a dedicated theater that will be about 16.5w X 30-ish L X 8 h, but for now we're set up in the LR that's 18W X 22L with 8' vaulted ceilings up to 12'. The room is also open almost all around, so it's not really a contained space.

TIA
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The key word is "dedicated theater". It's one thing to compromise for a living room setup but a dedicated theater space deserves the good stuff. I think you buy the best sub you can afford now, use it in the temp LR setup, and then continue to save for a second that will pair up with it when it moves to the dedicated theater.
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The more I looked at Jim's suggestion and saw where the price was heading, that easily pushes the door open for more price creep and consideration of a "go get 'em" sub as the next 3 responses suggest. Of course now my receiver is behaving poorly, random shut downs preceeded by nothing, or one of the surround speakers popping; sometimes after a lot of use, this morning promptly after power up. Upside, if there is such, is that the plate amp I suspect is dying is within the 1 yr warranty period, so I've got a new one of those on the way already. And now that I've rationalized my expectations for the projector I'll just hold onto the "extra" money for whichever officially dies first.

That said, Mr. Hsu has caught my eye with his VTF-15H. Which promptly pushes me out of the budget-minded conversation. Just crossing my fingers that the sub and AVR don't decide to punch out on me at the same time.

Thanks gents.
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You know, if you are considering paying more for a sub, the Outlaw LFM-1 EX gets much praise for $650 w/ free shipping. Worth a glance wink.gif
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So I am leaning towards one of the Dayton subs to use in a 2.1 setup for my computer. I just purchased a pair of the NHT SuperZero 2.0 mini-monitors, and will be powering them with a Topping TP23. I was at first leaning towards the Dayton Sub-800, but then thought maybe the Sub-1000/1200. They will be in a bedroom, about 11x13, and also I am in an apartment. I was hoping for something more compact than my BIC F-12, so do you think the Sub-1000 would be adequate? I don't need to annoy the neighbors, just something that will blend well with the SuperZeros for music and the occasional movie/game.
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So I am leaning towards one of the Dayton subs to use in a 2.1 setup for my computer. I just purchased a pair of the NHT SuperZero 2.0 mini-monitors, and will be powering them with a Topping TP23. I was at first leaning towards the Dayton Sub-800, but then thought maybe the Sub-1000/1200. They will be in a bedroom, about 11x13, and also I am in an apartment. I was hoping for something more compact than my BIC F-12, so do you think the Sub-1000 would be adequate? I don't need to annoy the neighbors, just something that will blend well with the SuperZeros for music and the occasional movie/game.

The Sub-1000 should be fine in a room that size, so output won't be an issue. My concern would be blending; the NHT's are pretty articulate little speakers, but the Dayton subs really aren't. They've been designed more for those who want to get the most bass they can for the least amount of money, so they sacrificed dynamics in favor of volume and mid-bass. You may ultimately find the treble and midrange to be pleasing, but the bass to be a bit less so.
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The Sub-1000 should be fine in a room that size, so output won't be an issue. My concern would be blending; the NHT's are pretty articulate little speakers, but the Dayton subs really aren't. They've been designed more for those who want to get the most bass they can for the least amount of money, so they sacrificed dynamics in favor of volume and mid-bass. You may ultimately find the treble and midrange to be pleasing, but the bass to be a bit less so.

What would you recommend with that being said? I would love to grab an HSU STF-1 but might need to wait a little while.
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What would you recommend with that being said? I would love to grab an HSU STF-1 but might need to wait a little while.

Since you're posting in this thread I assume your budget is $300 or less? If so, that's going to be tough; inexpensive subwoofers are rarely musical. The STF-1 would definitely be better than the Dayton, so that's a good choice. Another option to consider is the NXG NX-BAS-500. I just reviewed one recently and found it to be pretty good with music.
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Since you're posting in this thread I assume your budget is $300 or less? If so, that's going to be tough; inexpensive subwoofers are rarely musical. The STF-1 would definitely be better than the Dayton, so that's a good choice. Another option to consider is the NXG NX-BAS-500. I just reviewed one recently and found it to be pretty good with music.

Yeah that is probably where I am leaning. I read the review on that NXG and it sounds good, but I need something smaller. 10" would be the biggest I would want, so I may try a Dayton and if I am not satisfied save up for the STF-1/2.
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Any thoughts on this Velodyne sub? http://velodyne.com/special-offers/vrp-1000.html
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