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Lol...have you owened either one ?
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Originally Posted by Yankees24 View Post

It'll be placed in a fairly large open space (open family room that leads into kitchen and other rooms).

Big space = big subwoofer(s). There's really not much that can be done about that. Skip the Mirage if the room is bigger than 15x15.

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I forgot to mention that I'll be pairing it with Athena bookshelf speakers or I also have the option of pairing it with the mirage nanoset 5.0

That may present a integration issue with any budget subwoofer, depending upon how high you have to set the crossover. Less expensive models forgo quality for quantity, and setting a crossover much above 80Hz will often highlight that design compromise. Generally speaking, the smaller the satellites the more expensive the subwoofer needs to be.
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Thanks Jim
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Big space = big subwoofer(s). There's really not much that can be done about that. Skip the Mirage if the room is bigger than 15x15.
That may present a integration issue with any budget subwoofer, depending upon how high you have to set the crossover. Less expensive models forgo quality for quantity, and setting a crossover much above 80Hz will often highlight that design compromise. Generally speaking, the smaller the satellites the more expensive the subwoofer needs to be.

Agreed.

The Mirage Omni S8 (I'm assuming you are looking at the Omni not the Prestige version, given the frequency response you stated) would be an excellent sub for a desktop computer setup or for a bedroom, but it's an 8" driver with only 100 watts RMS of power. It's not going to keep up with the much larger BIC F12,. Although it very well could have a bit better SQ than the F12.

For a sub to go with the Nanosats, I also would want a sub a little better than the F12. They need at least a 120hz crossover if not 140hz.
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Thanks for the responses. I most likely am going to stay with my Athena's as my mains and pair it with the f12. I'm coming across with opportunity of buying the s8 with the nanosats for $100 for all and trying figure out a way to integrate it with what I have or can switch out. But I may buy the nanosats just to use them as surrounds in a 7.1 setup
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Ok, the latest is that I'm going to keep the mirage nanosats and sell the Athena's. looks like the little speakers bottom out at 110hz, so I'm looking for a matching sub with at least a 12 inch driver. I have the option of getting a used velodyne cht-12 from CL for $75 or go for a BIC F12. The system is going to be used with 75% HT and 25% music
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After reading through this thread, I'm closely considering an Outlaw M8 B-stock. I want to add a sub to my 2.0 PC set up with a budget of $300. Main concern is sound quality for music. I'm currently using Boston Acoustics A100 series 1 with SEAS tweeters and a Marantz SR5600 AVR to power them. Those vintage Bostons sound beautiful, but I need a sub to cover low end. My computer room is 10x11x8' with carpet. Extension and SPL aren't big concerns, but I would like accurate bass down to the 30-35hz range.

If there are any good options for DIY flat packs within my budget, I'd consider that too. I have an extra amp lying around from a dead subwoofer. I believe it's 240W.
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The M8 is a good choice. Another one to consider is the HSU STF-1.
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The M8 is a good choice. Another one to consider is the HSU STF-1.

STF-1 ends up being $317 shipped opposed to $249.00 shipped for a B-stock M8. From what I've read they've very similar. Is the HSU worth $68 more? The M8's big brothers (dual LFM-1 EX) are in my living room; and they perform well, so I'm familiar with Outlaws subs.
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Keep in mind that if you are disappointed with the stf1 it will cost you about $70 to return it.
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Originally Posted by cyde01 View Post

After reading through this thread, I'm closely considering an Outlaw M8 B-stock. I want to add a sub to my 2.0 PC set up with a budget of $300. Main concern is sound quality for music. I'm currently using Boston Acoustics A100 series 1 with SEAS tweeters and a Marantz SR5600 AVR to power them. Those vintage Bostons sound beautiful, but I need a sub to cover low end. My computer room is 10x11x8' with carpet. Extension and SPL aren't big concerns, but I would like accurate bass down to the 30-35hz range.

If there are any good options for DIY flat packs within my budget, I'd consider that too. I have an extra amp lying around from a dead subwoofer. I believe it's 240W.

There have been some good testimonials for the M8. Since I own an Outlaw LFM-1 EX and love it, I tend to believe the good things said about the M8 smile.gif

Parts Express has some flat packs that even specify which driver to use with them: http://www.parts-express.com/cat/subwoofer-speaker-cabinets/289 The AVS DIY forum could help you figure out how to match that amp with a sub.
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STF-1 ends up being $317 shipped opposed to $249.00 shipped for a B-stock M8. From what I've read they've very similar. Is the HSU worth $68 more? The M8's big brothers (dual LFM-1 EX) are in my living room; and they perform well, so I'm familiar with Outlaws subs.

For me it would be worth the extra money. You're talking new versus used, which I consider significant. Also, the Outlaw's are like an HSU "lite", meaning the latter is bound to be a better overall sub. The way my eyes see it is the $68 buys you a nicer sub that's also new. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

There have been some good testimonials for the M8. Since I own an Outlaw LFM-1 EX and love it, I tend to believe the good things said about the M8 smile.gif

Parts Express has some flat packs that even specify which driver to use with them: http://www.parts-express.com/cat/subwoofer-speaker-cabinets/289 The AVS DIY forum could help you figure out how to match that amp with a sub.

I also feel confident that the glowing M8 reviews will hold true since I have a pair of the LFM-1 EX's shaking my living room. And thanks for the links. I'll give those a read if I decide to go with the DIY route. I just don't know where I'll find the time since I have several projects with my new house, but assembling a subwoofer would be a fun weekend project.
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

For me it would be worth the extra money. You're talking new versus used, which I consider significant. Also, the Outlaw's are like an HSU "lite", meaning the latter is bound to be a better overall sub. The way my eyes see it is the $68 buys you a nicer sub that's also new. YMMV.

Thanks I'll take that into consideration. Although I've always had a positive experience with used, open box returns, and B-stock blemished gear. The STF-1 does look a bit more appealing than the M8 for not much more: slightly larger box, 150w amp vs 125w, flared port, and more aesthetic.
Edited by cyde01 - 8/17/13 at 9:40am
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Of the four sites listed at http://www.nxgtechnology.com/buy_web.html , what site are people usually buying the NXG NX-BAS-500 from ? Amazon has it being sold by a third party and the NGX site says it won't be covered by warranty since it is not an authorized reseller.
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Of the four sites listed at http://www.nxgtechnology.com/buy_web.html , what site are people usually buying the NXG NX-BAS-500 from ? Amazon has it being sold by a third party and the NGX site says it won't be covered by warranty since it is not an authorized reseller.

Look more closely. AV House, one of their distributors, is the NGX seller on Amazon smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Wally_br View Post

Of the four sites listed at http://www.nxgtechnology.com/buy_web.html , what site are people usually buying the NXG NX-BAS-500 from ? Amazon has it being sold by a third party and the NGX site says it won't be covered by warranty since it is not an authorized reseller.

I'd consider Home Depot. There's a deal for eGift cards right now. Plus you can take an additional 3% off if you sign up and shop through eBates.com . Not sure what the total price comes out to, but it would be a nice discount.

http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/100804/raise.com-raise.com-5-off-70-alreadyreduced-gift-cards-home-depot-127-gc-for-111-macys-100-gc-for-86-petsmart-102-gc-for

Edit: Looks like HomeDepot.com doesn't carry that model, so disregard my post unless you want to buy lumber to build your own cabinet biggrin.gif
Edited by cyde01 - 8/18/13 at 10:54am
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Look more closely. AV House, one of their distributors, is the NGX seller on Amazon smile.gif

Doh !! Thanks for catching my mistake cel4145.
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update - My F12 arrived today, as I mentioned before it's paired up with 5 Mirage Nanosats. I'm crossing the sub @ 120hz and I think the combo sounds really good. I still have to play around with some channel volume settings, but overall I can't think of a better bargain for a 12 inch sub that sounds this good. Thanks everyone for all the advice...
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Originally Posted by Yankees24 View Post

update - My F12 arrived today, as I mentioned before it's paired up with 5 Mirage Nanosats. I'm crossing the sub @ 120hz and I think the combo sounds really good. I still have to play around with some channel volume settings, but overall I can't think of a better bargain for a 12 inch sub that sounds this good. Thanks everyone for all the advice...
Congrats again.
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So right now I am torn between the the BIC F12 and the NXG BAS 500. Is the NXG worth the 30% premium over the BIC even though the warranty is 3 years shorter? The system will be used for about 60% movies and 40% music.
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So right now I am torn between the the BIC F12 and the NXG BAS 500. Is the NXG worth the 30% premium over the BIC even though the warranty is 3 years shorter? The system will be used for about 60% movies and 40% music.
Absolutely yes.
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So right now I am torn between the the BIC F12 and the NXG BAS 500. Is the NXG worth the 30% premium over the BIC even though the warranty is 3 years shorter? The system will be used for about 60% movies and 40% music.

I've owned the F12 for 2 days now and I'm impressed so far with this $200 sub. I saw my first movie last night (GI Joe Retaliation), lots of action with bombs and explosions and the sub performed like a champ. I also have played about two hours of different types of music and I can also say that it's performed very well. It took tweaking the sub volume against my avr and it's close to being perfect for my type of listening.
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Absolutely yes.

I guess a better question would be will my relatively untrained ear hear a significant difference in a 11x20 room with eight foot ceilings? Also how long do subwoofers typically last and if they do fail is it usually in the first two years? I know for some people $200-260 isn't a huge deal but that extra three years of warranty protection would provide some peace of mind.
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Originally Posted by ppilot View Post

I guess a better question would be will my relatively untrained ear hear a significant difference in a 11x20 room with eight foot ceilings? Also how long do subwoofers typically last and if they do fail is it usually in the first two years? I know for some people $200-260 isn't a huge deal but that extra three years of warranty protection would provide some peace of mind.
The difference would be significant to me. I cant answer for you. I cant answer how long it may last or what peace of mind is worth to you either. Thats something youll have to decide for yourself. Sorry.
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Originally Posted by ppilot View Post

I guess a better question would be will my relatively untrained ear hear a significant difference in a 11x20 room with eight foot ceilings? Also how long do subwoofers typically last and if they do fail is it usually in the first two years? I know for some people $200-260 isn't a huge deal but that extra three years of warranty protection would provide some peace of mind.

I understand your thinking because most audio equipment really does have a diminishing rate of return as you spend more money. However, not so true for subwoofers. You really do get continue to get good performance gains until you spend a good bit more money than this. I went from a decent $300 sub to a $700 in my house, and was absolutely amazed at the difference. So much so that the first words out of my mouth were OMG. LOL

So if you were someone who could afford it, for your size room, I would suggest the Rythmik LV12R. From there I think the returns on buying a more expensive subwoofer start to diminish more rapidly. In between that, get the best sub you can smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The difference would be significant to me. I cant answer for you. I cant answer how long it may last or what peace of mind is worth to you either. Thats something youll have to decide for yourself. Sorry.

I completely understand, I was just curious about the failure curve of subwoofers as I don't have any experience with them. Appreciate the honest response.

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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I understand your thinking because most audio equipment really does have a diminishing rate of return as you spend more money. However, not so true for subwoofers. You really do get continue to get good performance gains until you spend a good bit more money than this. I went from a decent $300 sub to a $700 in my house, and was absolutely amazed at the difference. So much so that the first words out of my mouth were OMG. LOL

So if you were someone who could afford it, for your size room, I would suggest the Rythmik LV12R. From there I think the returns on buying a more expensive subwoofer start to diminish more rapidly. In between that, get the best sub you can smile.gif

Yeah that was a little out of my price range at this point in time, so I ended up getting the NXG 500. My budget will definitely increase next time around. Anyway I am putting together my first from scratch 5.1 and was able to pick up a Denon AVR2113ci for $260 along with the Andrew Jones bookshelfs/ center for $250. Figured that should make watching all 1080p moives on my HTPC a little more enjoyable.

Anyway thanks for the feeback!
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Originally Posted by ppilot View Post

I completely understand, I was just curious about the failure curve of subwoofers as I don't have any experience with them. Appreciate the honest response.
Yeah that was a little out of my price range at this point in time, so I ended up getting the NXG 500. My budget will definitely increase next time around. Anyway I am putting together my first from scratch 5.1 and was able to pick up a Denon AVR2113ci for $260 along with the Andrew Jones bookshelfs/ center for $250. Figured that should make watching all 1080p moives on my HTPC a little more enjoyable.

Anyway thanks for the feeback!
Let us know what you think about the NXG. I think youre the first to buy it.
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Let us know what you think about the NXG. I think youre the first to buy it.

I believe attitudeRN picked up one as well, but I'm not sure who else may have.
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I believe attitudeRN picked up one as well, but I'm not sure who else may have.

As I've mentioned before, my AV experience is pretty minimal but I will do what I can to provide meaningful feedback. It seemed like the NXG has some serious bang for the buck at $259 based on your review so I figured I would give it a shot.
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As I've mentioned before, my AV experience is pretty minimal but I will do what I can to provide meaningful feedback. It seemed like the NXG has some serious bang for the buck at $259 based on your review so I figured I would give it a shot.

Anything you feel like posting will be fine - people just like to read the first hand experience of actual owners. You should probably consider posting your assessment in this thread as well. It seems to be setup specifically for the NXG subwoofer, and if anyone searches the forum that one will be highlighted.
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