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post #571 of 2778
The JBL ES series subs are on sale at amazon again today. The 12 inch for $200 and the 10 inch for $160. I just got the 10 inch on Saturday when it was on sale and it sounds pretty good for what I paid.
post #572 of 2778
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

Very close to acting on this I think. Based on what I've read, the Jamo is superior to the BICs in nearly every area other than max output and on par if not a little better than the RW-12D.

Reach out to a guy who's screen name is Archaea. I believe he has personal experience with the BIC F12, Klipsch RW-12d and Jamo 650. I'm sure he can shed some light on those subs for you.
post #573 of 2778
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Originally Posted by swim33 View Post

The JBL ES series subs are on sale at amazon again today. The 12 inch for $200 and the 10 inch for $160. I just got the 10 inch on Saturday when it was on sale and it sounds pretty good for what I paid.

An ES250 for $200 and free shipping? Seems like a pretty good deal to me.
post #574 of 2778
Any idea how the JBL ES250 compares with the BIC F12 and Polk PSW505?
post #575 of 2778
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Originally Posted by sandeepkor View Post

Any idea how the JBL ES250 compares with the BIC F12 and Polk PSW505?

The ES250 is on my short list for inexpensive subwoofers to review, but unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to hear it yet.
post #576 of 2778
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Originally Posted by sandeepkor View Post

Any idea how the JBL ES250 compares with the BIC F12 and Polk PSW505?
Just an FYI. Make sure you read all the Amazon reviews of the ES250 before buying. It seems they have an issue with the circuit boards frying after a year or so. Some say JBL is aware of it but wont fix it under warranty.
post #577 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Just an FYI. Make sure you read all the Amazon reviews of the ES250 before buying. It seems they have an issue with the circuit boards frying after a year or so. Some say JBL is aware of it but wont fix it under warranty.

Hmmm... wonder if that's why they're dirt cheap.
post #578 of 2778
got a psw505 for 130, I do not think it is worth it to through 400 at an stf-2, any thoughts?

I am in college with a limited budget,

monitor 70s, cs2 center, monitor 40 surrounds denon 1613

13x13x8 room
post #579 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Cowman22 View Post

got a psw505 for 130

Where did you get it for 130?
post #580 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Cowman22 View Post

got a psw505 for 130, I do not think it is worth it to through 400 at an stf-2, any thoughts?
I am in college with a limited budget,
monitor 70s, cs2 center, monitor 40 surrounds denon 1613
13x13x8 room
Are you saying that you got a psw505 for $130 because you didnt think the stf2 was worth the extra $270 and you are in college with a limited budget? If so, for a room that size, I would do the same.
post #581 of 2778
good i hope i am not missing out much.
as far as finding the deal
try newegg under open box/ polk, and check it at least 3 times a day, it is not "brand new" i think,
post #582 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Cowman22 View Post

got a psw505 for 130, I do not think it is worth it to through 400 at an stf-2, any thoughts?

13x13x8 room

For $130 it's a good deal, so no worries there. A virtual square room is another story; low frequencies don't really like that so you may have some difficulty tuning the sub, but it will certainly be powerful enough.
post #583 of 2778
I have my RW sitting on the Gramma now. Got it shipped overnight (only $4 with Amazon Prime). I have been listening to various kinds of music at different receiver volumes (made no sub changes). It is as expected. No performance value but it looks a lot better than the bathroom rug. But I mostly listen at a moderate volume in my apt (around -50 to -40) and have no issues with rattling even when on an occasion when I do turn it up higher. So for me anyway it was a very expensive aesthetic fix but I'm cool with it. I could have used my Dads wood shop and spent unknown hrs and money shopping for the materials and making something but why?
post #584 of 2778
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But I mostly listen at a moderate volume in my apt (around -50 to -40) and have no issues with rattling even when on an occasion when I do turn it up higher.

-50? I can see why you have no issues with things rattling - that's barely above a whisper. Glad you found the esthetics better then the rugs at least... wink.gif
post #585 of 2778
haha, yea, -30 is the bare minimum for me
post #586 of 2778
A short review.

I know most discussions seem to be about the bigger units but, I have been listening and fine tuning a PSW111 for 3 weeks now. That's an 8" geared towards small sats and soundbars. It took a while to break in and to find the sweet spot for the unit and I was intentionally matching it to a Polk Audio TL250 package for TV viewing in a small family room. OK, so I was pleasantly surprised by that combination.

However, I hooked up my old Paradigm 5 SEv3 fronts, cc-170 center and Titans in the back just to see how that would work with this small sub. The center was somewhat weak, not really the sub. Oh and the wife hates the appearance of the Titans:rolleyes:

For music, the PSW111 is surprisingly good, almost seamless even through a drum solo it rolled in and out with great definition. The SE fronts have 8" woofers so I did not expect that. The Saving Private Ryan opening beach scene I thought would show the weakness but it still held up well. Not the ground shaking from something like my old Paradigm 12" down in the 26khz range but much better than I expected to get. I think it has a lot of power for an 8" and certainly sounded better than the PSW10 that is nearly out the door. Cranking up the gain did not show it getting flabby or huffing and still held good definition.

For now, it's a keeper, although I am working on a gear swap for a Paradigm Center 2 and a Definitive 10" sub. If that happens I may have to explore in-ceiling speakers for the surrounds.biggrin.gif
post #587 of 2778
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

The SE fronts have 8" woofers so I did not expect that.
Mains with 8" drivers can be quite capable from a bass perspective, especially in a smaller room. I remember when I was living in an apartment, I had no sub but I had Wharfedale L/R mains. They had dual 6.5" drivers and delivered very decent amounts of bass in movies. Granted, it was not furniture-rattling type of bass.

As far as your center sounding weak, a lot of it has to do with positioning. If it's sitting inside some cabinet, not angled properly, or firing directly at an empty wall behind you, you may be dealing with some wave cancellation issues. Also need to adjust channel levels on your receiver if the center has lower sensitivity than the mains. Other times, if you sit directly in front of the TV, you may get away with just two good L/R speakers and skipping the center speaker altogether.
post #588 of 2778
Thanks Pete, I setup the Paradigms using Audissey and, because it's a test I put the center on top of the TV cabinet to get the tweeters from the SEs close to the level by 4 inches. I have toyed with idea of putting a shelf on my stand to lift the TV and use the Center 2 if it comes my way. The CC-170 seems to do better with the Titans as fronts and I am going to leave that combo together in my office which is where I go to just listen to music. The SEs do work OK in Phantom mode but I know a better center channel would do better for movies if I still had a large home theatre space and I don't.

I was just wanting folks to know that the PSW111 exceeded my expectations for an 8" sub both with smaller satellites and and the very capable Paradigm towers.
post #589 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

-50? I can see why you have no issues with things rattling - that's barely above a whisper. Glad you found the esthetics better then the rugs at least... wink.gif
I live in a studio apt. and with my built in EQ settings it probably isnt quite as low as you think. I have the receiver volume set to come on at -65 and can listen at that level and hear it just fine. I have the maximum volume set at -25 and that is as near to "rattling" conditions as I care to get. Also I have all Klipsch and a Bic center speaker so they are all pretty sensitive.
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/19/12 at 3:48pm
post #590 of 2778
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Originally Posted by sandeepkor View Post

Any idea how the JBL ES250 compares with the BIC F12 and Polk PSW505?
I read reviews saying it was punchy and good for music vs the F12 and the ES150 is pretty punchy as far as I can tell but I haven't broken it in all the way yet but it holds its own in movies also, so I would go with the JBL. The JBL also has a beefier driver and magnet. As far as the amp, my thought was it's a great deal and if it goes just buy a Dayton amp and throw that in to replace it.
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This looks identical to the Martin Logan Dynamo 300 for $120 on Amazon. Note neither the JBL or the ML have a crossover, only a low-pass filter. So your speakers will still carry bass.
post #593 of 2778
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Originally Posted by swim33 View Post

The JBL ES series subs are on sale at amazon again today. The 12 inch for $200 and the 10 inch for $160. I just got the 10 inch on Saturday when it was on sale and it sounds pretty good for what I paid.
See 592 above.
post #594 of 2778
I currently have a HSU STF-2 for my HT setup . My room is relatively large (12x20x9) and this sub seems a little under powered. I'm considering the PSW505 which is on sale in Amazon. Will this be a true upgrade? Any other suggestions on a reasonable budget (<250-300)?
Edited by dealk - 12/20/12 at 2:55pm
post #595 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Brault View Post

Note neither the JBL or the ML have a crossover, only a low-pass filter. So your speakers will still carry bass.
This only matters if you're planning to use the sub's speaker level connections and your receiver can't do bass mgmt. I think that's a minority of cases here.
post #596 of 2778
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Originally Posted by dealk View Post

I currently have a HSU VTF-2 for my HT setup . My room is relatively large (12x20x9) and this sub seems a little under powered. I'm considering the PSW505 which is on sale in Amazon. Will this be a true upgrade? Any other suggestions on a reasonable budget (<250-300)?
Are you talking about the VTF-2 MK4? I should probably just start copying and pasting this but...
The Klipsch RW12-d would be an excellent choice. It goes on sale for $299 pretty often at Newegg.com. There is an entire forum dedicated to this phenomenon at:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today/210#post_22727311
And I agree with everything batpig states below. This would only be a significant upgrade if you use both of them.
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/20/12 at 12:02pm
post #597 of 2778
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Originally Posted by dealk View Post

I currently have a HSU VTF-2 for my HT setup . My room is relatively large (12x20x9) and this sub seems a little under powered. I'm considering the PSW505 which is on sale in Amazon. Will this be a true upgrade? Any other suggestions on a reasonable budget (<250-300)?

no, it will be a downgrade! You will NOT find an upgrade from an HSU VTF-2 at the $300 price point. I would consider adding a second sub like the Klipsch RW-12D, which is probably close to the HSU in performance.

That said, 12x20x9 really isn't THAT big of a room. Have you played around with the sub's location and settings to see if you can get better performance?
post #598 of 2778
Thanks. I will try moving the sub around and see if a different position makes a difference. I was purely looking at the specs on the STF-2 vs. 505 and thought it would be better. I made a typo above and called it VTF-2 which is incorrect. My sub is actually an STF-2.
post #599 of 2778
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, it will be a downgrade! You will NOT find an upgrade from an HSU VTF-2 at the $300 price point. I would consider adding a second sub like the Klipsch RW-12D, which is probably close to the HSU in performance.
That said, 12x20x9 really isn't THAT big of a room. Have you played around with the sub's location and settings to see if you can get better performance?
Actually I want to correct something I said above. My HSU is not a VTF-2 but an STF-2. Sorry for the confusion. Hope my questions makes more sense now.
post #600 of 2778
That is an even lower performance sub than the vtf-2. So everything stated is atleast as significant as before.
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