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post #601 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

That is an even lower performance sub than the vtf-2. So everything stated is atleast as significant as before.
Thanks. So if I get the Klipsch 12D and pair it w. my HSU STF-2 as a dual sub combination - would that work? Not sure how both will work together given the different make and power deltas.
post #602 of 2778
Impossible for me to tell. Mating 2 different subs can get very complicated. Also depends on the room and placement and so on. Hopefully someone else can be more helpful. Honestly, if you are looking for a truly significant upgrade, I would sell the stf2 and move up to something in the $500-$600 range.
Edited by Bond 007 - 12/21/12 at 12:33pm
post #603 of 2778
The Klipsch RW-12d is on sale for $300 now, and the Premier Acoustic PA-150 can be had for around $350 when it's on sale.

The 15% price differential puts them in the same category for me. Surprisingly, both are about the same size box, but the PA-150 is a 15" vs. the Klipsch 12".

I'll be putting this in a 25x17 basement theater, and we'll be sitting 12' from the screen. I was planning to put it in between the couches.

Which is the better sub?
post #604 of 2778
VX11 sale. In case you missed the thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1447129/velodyne-vx-11-2-for-1-deal



Ian
post #605 of 2778
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by patrcarl View Post

The 15% price differential puts them in the same category for me. Surprisingly, both are about the same size box, but the PA-150 is a 15" vs. the Klipsch 12".

I'll be putting this in a 25x17 basement theater, and we'll be sitting 12' from the screen. I was planning to put it in between the couches.

Which is the better sub?

That depends upon what you're trying to achieve, and what you'll be using it for. The Klipsch will play a little deeper, while the PA has a bit more output.

Assuming your ceiling height is 8 feet your room is about 3400 cubic feet, so if you plan on using just a single subwoofer then output is going to be critical. The Klipsch may struggle trying to fill that much space so the PA could be the better of them, given your circumstances.
post #606 of 2778
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

VX11 sale. In case you missed the thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1447129/velodyne-vx-11-2-for-1-deal

Buy one get one free? So they're $115 each? That's a good deal. I had a VX-11 for a while, and it was a pretty decent sub. Definitely worth more then $115.
post #607 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The Dynamo 300, which can be had for $129, is pretty much a slam dunk; I honestly don't think you can beat what you get for what you'll pay.
The NHT Super 8 is $350, so I'll assume that's your budget. Based upon that a few others which might be worth looking into are:
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I just received 2 of these dynamo 300 budget subs for xmas to replace my 10 yr old 12" Energy (EPS-12) Sub that I loved and paid about $600 for but now that has some unknown issues with static while adjusting controls............ My question is I have an older 7.1 Pioneer Elite VSX 90TXV... would I be able to run both these 8" subs in mono from the 1 sub output on the receiver? Is it plausible or should I just ebay the pioneer Elite which I really have enjoyed... and look for a cheap 7.2 AVR?

And just out of curiosity... would anyone return a pair of the 8" martinlogan dynamo 300 and pay the extra $60 for the pair of Velodyne VX-11, 10 Inch Subwoofer (Special 2 for $229) if I did upgrade to a new 7.2 avr... I know it's a thing of personal preference, just looking for logical opinions....... . My system is used primarily for home theater applications or use....... Thank You

Any input or helpful knowledge is appreciated.

Happy Holidays
Edited by zennn - 12/24/12 at 6:46pm
post #608 of 2778
Sure, you can both subs off a mono sub output....I'm running 4 off of a mono
output. Just need a Y splitter from the LFE from the AVR to both of your
subs. Something like this.....http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=240-127

vardo
post #609 of 2778
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zennn View Post

My question is I have an older 7.1 Pioneer Elite VSX 90TXV... would I be able to run both these 8" subs in mono from the 1 sub output on the receiver?

Absolutely, and people do it all the time. Just get an RCA 'Y' adapter and another cable. You're only splitting the signal that way, which is perfectly fine to do.
post #610 of 2778
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Originally Posted by vardo View Post

Sure, you can both subs off a mono sub output....I'm running 4 off of a mono
output. Just need a Y splitter from the LFE from the AVR to both of your
subs. Something like this.....http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=240-127
vardo


Thanks for the quick reply... I have that RCA splitter... I haven't unboxed the subs yet and was just curious before I tried.. wasn't sure if I used the splitter if it would degrade the signal in anyway or alter the frequency or ohms....as opposed to going with a 7.2 avr in which I really didn't want to do since I really like the Pioneer Elite I have been using.... but wasn't sure about what cons were involved in using a splitter between multiple subs.......

Happy Holidays
post #611 of 2778
No degradation at all. The same bass signal is sent from the mono LFE out to subs, than the amplifier in
the subs amplify that same signal.

Happy holidays to you and yours also..

vardo
post #612 of 2778
Hope this is the right thread....

My bottom line question is would an Energy EPS-12 be an upgrade over the HSU STF-1 in a room of roughly 1300 CF (10'8" x 16'8" x 7'4"), which is used 99% for movies and video games? I can get it used for $100 so I'm assuming yes.

I've been piecing together my system for going on 8 years now. It's evolved from:

Yamaha HTR56-70
Paradigm Titan V3 Fronts
Paradigm CC150
Paradigm Titan V2 Rears
STF1

to over the christmas break

Denon AVR 2307
Paradigm Monitor 9 V1 Fronts
Paradigm 7SE (used as a center for now)
Paradigm Titan V2 Rears
STF1


The Yammaha and second set of Titans have been relegated to PC speaker duty.

While searching for a proper center for my Monitor's, I came across someone selling the Energy EPS12. While the HSU has done me well, I can see the 8" sub being much better listening to music with my computer than HT duties. Unfortunately I can't find much information on this particular sub.
post #613 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Reggie Died View Post

While searching for a proper center for my Monitor's, I came across someone selling the Energy EPS12. While the HSU has done me well, I can see the 8" sub being much better listening to music with my computer than HT duties. Unfortunately I can't find much information on this particular sub.
EPS12 seems to be an older sub. While it has a larger driver and is rated lower (down to 28 Hz), it has a weaker amp than your STF1. So, simply judging by specs, the EPS12 may be able to reproduce more of the super low frequency rumble type effects found in movies, but it may not get as loud as the STF1. Really, hard to say which one would be better. Depending how large your listening area is, both may leave something to be desired. Personally, I'd keep looking if I were you.

And yes, STF1 would make for a nice audio/stereo system addition paired up with some decent bookshelf speakers. I used to own the STF1 at one point. It was a very capable sub considering its size. I shouldn't have sold it.

Link to EPS12 specs:
http://207.67.68.90/images/download/719.aspx
post #614 of 2778
The EPS-12 is an older Energy sub, from the mid 90s or so. While it is larger and has a 12" woofer, it's only rated down to 28Hz so it might not actually give you more extension then your STF-1. It is probably capable of more output but being an older design it might be "flabbier". Your room is so small that you might not notice much difference. With a sub that old I'd also want to make sure it was in tip too shape.
post #615 of 2778
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Reggie Died View Post

My bottom line question is would an Energy EPS-12 be an upgrade over the HSU STF-1 in a room of roughly 1300 CF (10'8" x 16'8" x 7'4"), which is used 99% for movies and video games? I can get it used for $100 so I'm assuming yes.

For $100 is practically a throw-away if you don't like it, so there's probably no harm in picking it up. However, that sub is at least 10 years old, meaning both the driver and amp are nearing the end of their useful life. Advancements in sound quality have been pretty drastic over the past decade or so too, meaning that STF-1 might not be as far behind as you think. Output wise, yea, but sound quality, maybe not.
post #616 of 2778
For $100 if the amp and driver go you can pick up some cheap replacements from parts express and use the Energy box which wouldn't be too bad
post #617 of 2778
Thanks for the input guys.

For the record, I do love the quality of sound coming out of the HSU's 8" woofer. And for such a small room, it seems to provide "good enough" spl. What really irks me is, maybe 2 or 3 times/movie, it distorts on really big/low sound effects and explosions. It's probably a set up issue, so I'll go about continuing to tweak it and keep my eyes out for a better deal.

As I mentioned, I just upgraded the mains to my HT, so I think I just have a case of upgradeitis and will give it a month. That being said, my Titans could use a bit of low end extention for music, and the STF-1 is a perfect music sub (meaning it'd probably be cheaper to get a new HT sub than music sub. I think. I'm pretty green in this hobby, and budget oriented.)

Being a carpenter by trade, I might have to head over the the DIY section and look into building my own sub. While the information on this page and the "list of budget subwoofers" page is awesome, being in Canadian land makes them almost twice as much unless I can find locally.
post #618 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Reggie Died View Post

What really irks me is, maybe 2 or 3 times/movie, it distorts on really big/low sound effects and explosions. It's probably a set up issue, so I'll go about continuing to tweak it and keep my eyes out for a better deal.
On your receiver, what is the subwoofer channel level set to? If it's in the positive range, then I'd try moving it to 0 or even a little into the negative range and make up for it by increasing the volume knob on the sub a little. If that doesn't help, then you may just be maxing out this little sub. Although, I remember using it in a small apartment (room size similar to yours), and never ran into any audible distortion, alas, I never really watched movies super loud so that the neighbors wouldn't complain. smile.gif

That was with an old Denon 2801 receiver. Another piece of HT gear that I wish I hadn't sold...
post #619 of 2778
FYI, Newegg currently has the Energy Power 10 Sub for $99.99 with free shipping. I don't know much about this sub, so I'm not sure if that's a good deal or not. Just throwing it out there.
post #620 of 2778
Thread Starter 
Yikes, the specifications on Energy's website say it can only go down to 40Hz. I'm wondering how they can even call that a subwoofer.
post #621 of 2778
Yeah, I know. I have a 10" Yamaha sub in the garage that's also rated down to only 40 Hz. Not sure how it would do with movies, but with music it does OK.
post #622 of 2778
Well, pulled the trigger on the Dayton SUB-1200. Should be here on Thursday. Will probably add a second later but need to see just how big this sucker is first and be able to plan out the space needs.

Got a copy of DKR and MI4 on Blu-ray for Christmas so I'm all ready to test this sucker out... come on, Fedex!
post #623 of 2778
Hey guys, my main question - Polk PSW10 vs Pioneer SW-8?

I'm putting together an entry level 5.1 system. I am new to this. I just picked up Energy RC Micro speakers for $60, now looking for sub and receiver. The room is only about 14x14. Polk - $80 Pioneer - $70 which of these would be best?
post #624 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Shinespark1 View Post

Hey guys, my main question - Polk PSW10 vs Pioneer SW-8?

I'm putting together an entry level 5.1 system. I am new to this. I just picked up Energy RC Micro speakers for $60, now looking for sub and receiver. The room is only about 14x14. Polk - $80 Pioneer - $70 which of these would be best?

Honestly, that's probably a 'pick em'. Looking at the spec's I don't imagine either will be able to perform all that well for HT, but if I had to choose it would probably be the SW-8. Andrew Jones seems to put a lot of value into the speakers he designed for Pioneer, so perhaps he's done the same for the subwoofer that bears his name.
post #625 of 2778
Jim,
I'm looking for opinions on which sub in the $300 range would be the best choice for both music & home theatre. I would like a sub that goes low for home theatre but is also some what accurate for music.

I currently have an klipsch sw-450 which I think is a good all around sub. I got it for $250 two years ago. I can't find a second one for under $420 now.

I'm looking at a few different options that are currently under $350 or frequently go on sale for under $350.

Klipsch sub10 is $199 on newegg
Klipsch rw12 is $299 on newegg
Energy s10.3 & jamo 650 frequently go on sale for $250
Hsu stf-2 is $329
Outlaw lfm-1 compact is $349

Which is the best choice for an all around sub? I've looked at specs until my eyes crossed the last few days. I like the price of the sub 10 but looks like people had problems with the circuit board after a year or so. Is there a better overall sub in the others listed for the price difference? There aren't many reviews comparing the subs I listed.

Ive often read that you want 200 watts rms minimum for a decebt sub. I guess the 2 klipsch subs, jamo sub and energy sub are similar but i dont have any experience with hsu or outlaw. i know theyre both great according to users on this forum but is either sub significantly better than the traditional brand subs I listed? Any opinions or thoughts would be appreciated.
Edited by rmc29615 - 1/2/13 at 8:45pm
post #626 of 2778
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Originally Posted by tcramer View Post

What is the overall opinion of the RW-12d versus the BIC F12? Is the Klipsch worth the extra $100? I have a larger, open great room so I am far from a perfect setup.
I have a set of Energy RC-Micro's on the way that I got for a great deal, but they only go down to 150 Hz so that would probably eliminate the RW-12d as an option since it only goes to 120 Hz.

I grabbed the same energy micro 5.0 deal and interested in thoughts on a good matching sub with complementing high end going as low as possible for the less than $300 price. Thanks for your help.
post #627 of 2778
Thread Starter 
rmc29615;

Is the new sub going to be in addition to, or in lieu of, your Klipsch SW-450? If it's the former you should try and get another bass reflex unit in order to make integrating the two easier. If you're replacing the SW-450 then all your options are still on the table.

How big is your room? That's a pretty critical piece of information when determining what subwoofer(s) might work best.

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Originally Posted by rmc29615 View Post

Ive often read that you want 200 watts rms minimum for a decebt sub

Not necessarily - there are many factors that come into play...

To an extent subwoofers live by the credo "bigger is better", and that includes the amp. However, the design, driver efficiency and amp class play key roles as well. As a general rule, acoustic suspension (sealed) require more powerful amps because the air inside the cabinet tends to impeded the drivers movement. One of the best ways to overcome that is raw power. Bass reflex (ported) don't have that same resistance to overcome, so they can often get by with amps that have less power.

A drivers efficiency rating also comes into play. An inefficient driver -- for arguments sake, one with an 85dB rating -- requires far more power to drive then one with a higher efficiency, say around 90dB. Amp class is yet another consideration; class D amps put out closer to their rated power then class A/B amps do, so if a class D amp is rated for 200 watts and a class A/B amp is rated for 250 watts the driver itself may end up getting the exact same amount of power due to the efficiency differences.

That's just an overview of course, but it does lend some insight into other areas that will effect how much power an amp needs to provide in order for it to work properly.
post #628 of 2778
Hi,

I'm a brand new member, and just bought the HD15s 15" Precision Acoustics subwoofer from Best Buy for $299 - what a deal for 15".
At the same time, I also bought 2 x 12" Klipsh sub-12 to do a side by side.

Apples and Bananas!

For HT, the large, long port of the Klipsch 12" absolutely shatters the PA 15" dual really short port to oblivion and beyond. If you want a really mammoth LFE power house, just 1 Klipsh 12" is all you'll need. My room is about 20x20, so a relatively good size open living room.

However, for musicallity, the HD15s does sound cleaner. The Klipsch sub-12 is muddy, so turn the low-pass nearly all the way down, and depend on your surround woofers to make up for gap.

Both model made in china, both target the catfish (bottom feeder) market.

So there you have it.
======================
For Purely LFE = Klipsch Sub-12,
Down firing, long and large rear facing port
freq. resp: 24Hz - 120Hz

For More Musicallity = Precision Acoustics HD15s
Front firing, very short dual small-mid size rear facing ports
freq. resp: 35Hz - 150Hz

Both were $299 on boxing week up in Canada at BB.

I'm keeping just the 1 Klipsch, it's got a 5 year warranty, so I'm refunding the BB 9 year extended warranty, as my CC covers an extra year.
post #629 of 2778
What is the efficiency rating of the Klipsch RW-12d?
post #630 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JoeBoxerKR View Post

I'm a brand new member, and just bought the HD15s 15" Precision Acoustics subwoofer from Best Buy for $299 - what a deal for 15".

Interesting; according to the Specifications section for the HD15s on Precision Acoustics website it uses a 12" driver. They also list the size as "Dimensions (HxWxD)-mm: N/A". I guess if they can't get the easy part right there's little hope the engineering is any better...

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Originally Posted by JoeBoxerKR View Post

Both model made in china, both target the catfish (bottom feeder) market.

"catfish market"?
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