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post #781 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

I'm just concerned about getting the proper audio while using the JBL's crossover adjustment. I wish I could link the JBL manual on here but I can't. I downloaded it from JBL website.

I'm not certain how that would work myself, but it seems swim33 has some experience and it appears as though he's saying that should work in your case.
post #782 of 2778
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Originally Posted by swim33 View Post

I have the JBL ES150 and you can switch to normal on the sub and set the crossover from the sub and even without a Y cable it sounds fine.

Yes, but does the sub output the proper channel when setup this way?
In other words, is the subwoofer playing the .1 channel (the LFE channel) of the 5.1 audio channels on movie soundtracks.

That is really my question. How can I hook up the JBL to use it's own crossover and play the proper movie soundtracks?

Al
post #783 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

The receiver just has those three settings.
This is really hard to believe. Every receiver has at least an 80 Hz setting for the crossover since that is the default THX recommendation. I looked at the owner's manual of your receiver, and it shows 80 Hz in some of the screen shots. It does not mention what are the other available crossover options though. How old is that receiver?
post #784 of 2778
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

One of the easiest ways to tell is the absence of heat fins; no fins will almost always be digital, meaning Class D or Bash. I don't recall ever seeing a Class A/B amp without fins.
For a sub with generally higher power amps the class AB probably all do have fins.

But there are class AB amps that do not. For example I have powered monitors (Event 20/20bas v1) that have a 70W continuous HF and a 130W cont. LF class AB amps and a flat backpanel that gets very hot, too hot to touch. I would imagine fins would be needed if the power was slightly higher.
post #785 of 2778
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This is really hard to believe. Every receiver has at least an 80 Hz setting for the crossover since that is the default THX recommendation.
My older Yamaha RX-V receiver had a single, fixed 90Hz crossover.
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I looked at the owner's manual of your receiver, and it shows 80 Hz in some of the screen shots. It does not mention what are the other available crossover options though. How old is that receiver?
You may have been looking at the manual for the VSX-21THX. The VSX-21 does not have an 80Hz setting. According to pg. 18 of the owner's manual:
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• Initial setting is “100 Hz”.

• If all speakers (front, center, and surround) are set to “Large” in SPEAKER setting mode, crossover frequency cannot be set. (∗∗∗ appears in the display.)

Press ... to specify the crossover frequency for your small speakers (100 Hz, 150 Hz or 200 Hz).
post #786 of 2778
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

My older Yamaha RX-V receiver had a single, fixed 90Hz crossover.
You may have been looking at the manual for the VSX-21THX. The VSX-21 does not have an 80Hz setting. According to pg. 18 of the owner's manual:

Thanks for that info eljaycanuk. The VSX-21THX is the popular model and the VSX-21 is often confused with it. Anyway, my receivers crossover settings are the reason why I'd like to be able to use the JBL's crossover or any other budget subwoofers crossover when I finally make up my mind which one to get.

AL
post #787 of 2778
I've got a Pioneer VSX D608 and same for me. 100,150,200.
post #788 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post



Yes, but does the sub output the proper channel when setup this way?
In other words, is the subwoofer playing the .1 channel (the LFE channel) of the 5.1 audio channels on movie soundtracks.

That is really my question. How can I hook up the JBL to use it's own crossover and play the proper movie soundtracks?

Al
Your receiver, if it is fairly recent, should have a setting where you can choose no subwoofer then change the LFE setting to LFE+Main and you should get the whole LFE through your sub if you hook it up using the sub's crossover.
post #789 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

I've got a Pioneer VSX D608 and same for me. 100,150,200.
So that being the case should I put my sub at 100hz and my reciever at 100hz and call it a day?
post #790 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Freddyknuckles View Post

So that being the case should I put my sub at 100hz and my reciever at 100hz and call it a day?
That depends on what speakers you have and what you're trying to accomplish. If you have large floorstanding speaker capable of producing decent bass, then you may want to set them to "LARGE" on the receiver. Most likely your center and/or surround speakers are small though. Depending on their frequency response, you will set the crossover on the receiver accordingly. Personally I try to avoid setting it any higher than 100 Hz because bass starts to become localized above that level causing the sub to draw too much attention to itself, but it's your call, really.

Whatever you do, if you're letting your receiver manage bass, then keep the crossover on the sub set to max, not at 100 Hz.
post #791 of 2778
Swim33 and/or others,

I have been looking around at all the options and the JBL ES150P and it does look very good on specs at $160! It says bass reflex porting so is this a round bottom port? I have not seen any pics of the underside of it.

I also got an e-mail today for the SVS SB-1000. It's $500 and pretty new but is a sealed unit with great specs. for a small cube that would suit my needs very well. Has anyone seen any reviews of these units?

So many choices and I may have to unbuckle the straps on the savings account.
post #792 of 2778
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

Swim33 and/or others,

I have been looking around at all the options and the JBL ES150P and it does look very good on specs at $160! It says bass reflex porting so is this a round bottom port? I have not seen any pics of the underside of it.

I also got an e-mail today for the SVS SB-1000. It's $500 and pretty new but is a sealed unit with great specs. for a small cube that would suit my needs very well. Has anyone seen any reviews of these units?

So many choices and I may have to unbuckle the straps on the savings account.

I can tell you that the JBL ES250P has a round bottom port and I'm guessing that the ES150P is the same. The only place I could find informative pictures (video) is youtube.


Al
post #793 of 2778
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Originally Posted by DGCanuck View Post

Swim33 and/or others,

I have been looking around at all the options and the JBL ES150P and it does look very good on specs at $160! It says bass reflex porting so is this a round bottom port? I have not seen any pics of the underside of it.
There are very few pictures of it and since I have new furniture coming tomorrow I have to relocate this tonight so I thought I would be nice and take some pictures smile.gif You can also see my cat in some of them lol



post #794 of 2778
The back must be camera shy. That is the business end.
post #795 of 2778
I posted pictures of the back earlier in the thread, post # 763
post #796 of 2778
Thanks. That is good to know if someone wants to see it.
post #797 of 2778
Nice pics!
post #798 of 2778
Thanks. When I saw it go on sale I went to go research it and could not find any pictures of it so hopefully this solves the same problem for other people
post #799 of 2778
The back seemed to be the hardest picture to find. That's why I mentioned it. I have no personal interest in the 150 or 250. Just trying to help the next guy.
post #800 of 2778
Thanks for the pics. It actually looks pretty good. I am guessing there is an LED on the top so you know when it is on and working?

I got an e-mail and have also been looking at the new SVS SV and PB 1000 subs. They are $500 and I am now considering them. They have great specs, a good rep and fit the bill perfectly for size.
The SV1000 is only a 13"x13" cube around a 12" woofer and looks to go very low. The PB is a 10" front ported version but is also small but has great specs.

They are very new so they were not on my radar. Now they are.
post #801 of 2778
While I'm still thinking on the JBL ES250PBK I stumbled on the Cadence CSX12 Mark II. Wow, for 279, with the free shipping option, this thing really seems impresive!
I didn't want to spend more than 200 but the specs on this Cadence makes considering it fairly easy. It weighs 67.25 pounds and is built like a tank with a Class A 225 watt RMS amplifier. Ya know, I never really liked that Klipsch that everyone is getting on sale and I would most certainly try this Cadence before the Klipsch. Everything about it looks better to me, most importantly the build quality.

Oh' man! I wasn't going to do the "but this one is just a little more" thing! ****!

Al
post #802 of 2778
According to JimWilson's review of the CSX12 Mark II:
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Cadence has a winner on their hands with the CSX12. It can deftly navigate both music and home theater with equal poise and balance. It rarely struggles, except for the ultra deep notes. Quality is evident, as are a number of nice design and engineering features. When you consider the fact that it only costs $399 there's no way to conclude it's anything other than a very solid value.

For those interested in my subject assessment it's that the Cadence CSX12 Mark II is strongly recommended.
post #803 of 2778
I don't know how I could have missed that review. Thanks!

If it's a good sub for 399 it's gotta be a better sub at 279. I guess that just leaves me still thinking!

Al
post #804 of 2778
No "Moby Dick" play for the CSX 12, Jim? wink.gif
post #805 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

No "Moby Dick" play for the CSX 12, Jim? wink.gif

Shhhh, don't give my position away. I'm just lurking about, trying to stay incognito... tongue.gif
post #806 of 2778
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

While I'm still thinking on the JBL ES250PBK I stumbled on the Cadence CSX12 Mark II. Wow, for 279, with the free shipping option, this thing really seems impresive!
I didn't want to spend more than 200 but the specs on this Cadence makes considering it fairly easy. It weighs 67.25 pounds and is built like a tank with a Class A 225 watt RMS amplifier. Ya know, I never really liked that Klipsch that everyone is getting on sale and I would most certainly try this Cadence before the Klipsch. Everything about it looks better to me, most importantly the build quality.

Oh' man! I wasn't going to do the "but this one is just a little more" thing! ****!

Al

Why are you so quick to discount the klipsch? How low is it supposed to play?
post #807 of 2778
Which Klipsh? It's hard to keep track!
post #808 of 2778
I'm assuming he's talking about the klipsch rw12d, but maybe I shouldn't assume
post #809 of 2778
That's what I figured and I like it but it's too tall like the BIC F12 for the intended space. I am seriously considering the SVS SV or PB 1000. More money but looks like good quality and space saving dimensions.
post #810 of 2778
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

Why are you so quick to discount the klipsch? How low is it supposed to play?

First, I know very little about any subwoofer as I've never owned one.

And yes, I was referring to the Klipsch RW12d. I was just going by what I read on the "on sale for $299" thread. There are many post about that subwoofer arriving damaged. I know many were damaged because they were only shipped in one box and that has been changed but things like the port coming loose and other things rattling around in the cabinet seem like they weren't put together very well. Several people have commented on poor build quality especially with that sub having such a high MSRP. That's another thing that bothers me the MSRP. I made up my mind I wouldn't buy that sub when I first started reading that thread. That's just me, like I said, I don't know much about subs except what I read.

Al
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