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post #961 of 1657
1/29/13 at 9:07pm
Can you help me choose a sub?

1. Your budget. $650
2. Size requirements/limits. none. Plenty of room.
3. Room dimensions. Big man cave. 19x28x9.5. Hardwood floors.
4. Primary uses. Both music and parties. We watch movies often and we also have parties where we listen to all kinds of music from country to rap.
5. Listening habits. I like it loud. I enjoy a good thump and low rumble but also enjoy tight bass.
6. Appearance requirements. No requirement here. I have a huge entertainment center that has a large opening underneath the TV for storage(my wife has baskets of kids toys there now). The storage is open and these baskets sit right on the floor. I plan on putting the sub behind the baskets.
7. Timeframe. Flexible. I would like to get a good buy of course.


I've been looking at a Velodyne EQ-Max 15 Inch, 750 Watt Powered Subwoofer for around $500. Would that be a good choice?
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post #962 of 1657
1/29/13 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by bubbusda View Post

Can you help me choose a sub?

1. Your budget. $650

I've been looking at a Velodyne EQ-Max 15 Inch, 750 Watt Powered Subwoofer for around $500. Would that be a good choice?

Seeing as that is, from what I see, a $700ish sub....$500 seems like a good deal to me.
That price is more in line with the 10" version...
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post #963 of 1657
1/29/13 at 9:35pm
I havent heard the jbl. I own the F12. Jim may have a better perspective on this. Hopefully he will chime in. I dont think that realistically the F12 goes much lower. Probably a little. You have to decide whether you want something that will go a little lower or be a lot more accurate. With the jbl having an amp that is twice as powerful I think they would both have about the same amount of output. It is a 10" with 300rms and a 12" with 150rms. Basically, the F12 may be slightly better for movies and the jbl should be quite a bit better for music. I like my Bic. It is ok but if I had the choice then I would have gotten the jbl. The jbl is probably a little better quality too, imo. After all we are talking about the Bic for $200 which is always $200 and the jbl which is $175 and lists at $400.

Oh. And no offense to the 505 owners but its a terd. You can safely scratch that one off the list. cool.gif
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/29/13 at 9:42pm
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post #964 of 1657
1/29/13 at 10:08pm
The JBL would probably do fine in your room. 007 is right about it having a good bit of amplifier power. And if you like it, get a second one and it will sound even better. biggrin.gif
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post #965 of 1657
1/30/13 at 4:56am
I'm needing some help on making the best decision on purchasing a new subwoofer for my bedroom. I want to make the right decision now so I don't feel the need to upgrade in 6 months. My room size is 17ft x 14ft x 10ft. My main listening habits are movies and gaming (call of duty!!) And normal direct TV cable. Price rang is 300 to 500.
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post #966 of 1657
1/30/13 at 5:26am
SVS PB-1000.
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post #967 of 1657
1/30/13 at 5:40am
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post

I'm needing some help on making the best decision on purchasing a new subwoofer for my bedroom. I want to make the right decision now so I don't feel the need to upgrade in 6 months. My room size is 17ft x 14ft x 10ft. My main listening habits are movies and gaming (call of duty!!) And normal direct TV cable. Price rang is 300 to 500.
Skip the pb1000. It is a good sub but if you are gonna get a 300 watt 10" sub, get 2 of the jbl and save $150. 2 of those jbl will sound much better than 1 pb1000. See post 915.
Only problem is they are only on sale until the end of today.
If it wasn't for those being on sale I would recommend the Klipsch RW-12d. 350 watt 12" for $299 at Newegg on sale.
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post #968 of 1657
1/30/13 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Skip the pb1000. It is a good sub but if you are gonna get a 300 watt 10" sub, get 2 of the jbl and save $150. 2 of those jbl will sound much better than 1 pb1000. See post 915.
Only problem is they are only on sale until the end of today.
If it wasn't for those being on sale I would recommend the Klipsch RW-12d. 350 watt 12" for $299 at Newegg on sale.


Whenever I google SVS PB-1000 I did find it in a 12 inch. Now my question is should I go with the SVS PB-1000 12 inch or the two JBLs??

What about this one?
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-600-watt-Performance-Subwoofer-Amplifier/dp/B000FZ1FRC/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359554648&sr=1-8
Edited by bigjoexxl - 1/30/13 at 6:05am
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post #969 of 1657
1/30/13 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by IslandStylin View Post

Jim-Would you not reccomend the other Klipsch sub that was 160? Or the polk sub either?

The 12" Klipsch I might, but not the 10". You mentioned HT and "dance parties" are your primary usage, both of which require a larger subwoofer. While some of the area's in your apartment probably won't matter when calculating room size -- like the staircase -- the kitchen does, so that increases the space.

I think Polk makes some nice speakers, but their subwoofers I'm not as impressed with. If you're considering that one you might want to go with the Dayton SUB-1200 instead. Output, extension and sound quality would probably be similar, but you could save yourself a few bucks in the process.
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post #970 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by IslandStylin View Post

So you enjoy the performance of the JBL over the PSW505 and BIC F12? The frequency response seems much lower on the PSW505 as well as the BIC.

If you're basing that statement soley upon the manufacturers specifications I'd caution you against it. There's no standardized method to take those readings, and no one is monitoring them to ensure accuracy, so they can essentially print whatever they want to. I'd like to think there is some measure of integrity when it comes to those measurements, but I've seen far too many instances where that simply wasn't the case. Caveat emptor...
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post #971 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:04am
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Whenever I google SVS PB-1000 I did find it in a 12 inch.
If you were to search this site - or, better yet, if you were to go to the SVS website - you'd find that it's a 10" sub.
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post #972 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:04am
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post


Whenever I google SVS PB-1000 I did find it in a 12 inch. Now my question is should I go with the SVS PB-1000 12 inch or the two JBLs??
Your looking at the Sb1000. Not the Pb1000.
Yes. 2 jbl.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/30/13 at 6:13am
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post #973 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by bubbusda View Post

Can you help me choose a sub?

1. Your budget. $650

With your budget it's probably a better idea to start a new thread dedicated to your specific set of circumstances. I started this thread for subwoofers in the $300 or less range, and you have quite a bit more to spend. You probably won't get as much attention here as you would with a new thread.
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post #974 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

The 12" Klipsch I might, but not the 10". You mentioned HT and "dance parties" are your primary usage, both of which require a larger subwoofer. While some of the area's in your apartment probably won't matter when calculating room size -- like the staircase -- the kitchen does, so that increases the space.

I think Polk makes some nice speakers, but their subwoofers I'm not as impressed with. If you're considering that one you might want to go with the Dayton SUB-1200 instead. Output, extension and sound quality would probably be similar, but you could save yourself a few bucks in the process.
So you think the Dayton, being a 120w 12" would have more output and extension than the jbl a 300w 10"?
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post #975 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Your looking at the Sb1000. Not the Pb1000.
Yes. 2 jbl.

I've always preferred the sound of a 12 over a 10. What's about this one?

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-600-watt-Performance-Subwoofer-Amplifier/dp/B000FZ1FRC/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359554648&sr=1-8
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post #976 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:33am
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post

I've always preferred the sound of a 12 over a 10. What's about this one?

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-600-watt-Performance-Subwoofer-Amplifier/dp/B000FZ1FRC/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359554648&sr=1-8
Are you saying that all 12" subs have a certain sound that is different from all 10" subs?
I don't know anything about that sub. Judging by the Amazon reviews, I would not buy it.
Again, I think you would be better off with the 2 jbl and you would save money.
Edited by Bond 007 - 1/30/13 at 6:46am
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post #977 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:34am
According to the JBL product page:
- 12" driver
- 600W RMS
- 22Hz @ -3dB

At face value, it seems like a good deal for $483, shipped (at Amazon.com).
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post #978 of 1657
1/30/13 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

According to the JBL product page:
- 12" driver
- 600W RMS
- 22Hz @ -3dB

At face value, it seems like a good deal for $483, shipped (at Amazon.com).


It definitely seems like a good deal, and I'm strongly considering purchasing.... but I would really like to hear more people suggestions.
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post #979 of 1657
1/30/13 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I havent heard the jbl. I own the F12. Jim may have a better perspective on this. Hopefully he will chime in. I dont think that realistically the F12 goes much lower. Probably a little. You have to decide whether you want something that will go a little lower or be a lot more accurate. With the jbl having an amp that is twice as powerful I think they would both have about the same amount of output. It is a 10" with 300rms and a 12" with 150rms.

I haven't had the opportunity to hear either of those subs myself, so unfortunately it's a bit difficult for me to say. I do see a lot of positive comments on the F12, relative to it's price, so that often seems like a good choice for people. I did want to add one thing though...

The wattage an amp produces can be a deciding factor, but only when comparing like for like. For example, the usable power from a 300 watt Class D amp may be 275 watts, while a 300 watt Class A/B might only be 225 watts. The type of design plays a key role in that regard, with amps like Class D and BASH being more efficient. There's also the drivers sensitivity to consider. A driver with a 90dB sensitivity hooked up to a 200 watt amp might actually have more usable output then one with 85dB sensitivity and a 300 watt amp.

Those are only generalization to make a point, so don't consider that to be accurate numbers. I was just trying to illustrate some of the other factors that come into play.
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post #980 of 1657
1/30/13 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

So you think the Dayton, being a 120w 12" would have more output and extension than the jbl a 300w 10"?

Without having compared them myself I can't say for certain, but it's possible. See post above... wink.gif
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post #981 of 1657
1/30/13 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

Without having compared them myself I can't say for certain, but it's possible. See post above... wink.gif
Thank you. I already knew all that. Often times its difficult to find the sensitivity specs on a lot of these subs. And most anymore are class D. I completely understand that you cant say for sure. I am not concerned about my reputation and don't do this for a living. So I am going to say that imo, in the real world that Dayton has a slim chance to none of outperforming the jbl. And Im not just basing this on the specs but also the reviews that I have read.
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post #982 of 1657
1/30/13 at 7:23am
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post

I've always preferred the sound of a 12 over a 10. What's about this one?

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-600-watt-Performance-Subwoofer-Amplifier/dp/B000FZ1FRC/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359554648&sr=1-8
If it's a 12" driver you want there is another 12" JBL on Amazon for less than $200. It's the JBL ES250PBK and has plenty of output.

Al
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post #983 of 1657
1/30/13 at 8:47am
Seems like a solid deal. A quick search on Google says that the JBL ES250PBK is 12" 400W RMS but very hard to find reviews despite its apparent excellent value...

EDIT: Lots of the Amazon reviews seem to suggest it's not the most reliable thing out there and repairs are costly.
Edited by RastaManMax - 1/30/13 at 8:52am
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post #984 of 1657
1/30/13 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by RastaManMax View Post

Seems like a solid deal. A quick search on Google says that the JBL ES250PBK is 12" 400W RMS but very hard to find reviews despite its apparent excellent value...

EDIT: Lots of the Amazon reviews seem to suggest it's not the most reliable thing out there and repairs are costly.

I was going to buy the JBL ES250PBK when I first decided to get a sub but ended up getting a Jamo SUB 650 instead. Anyway, I did a lot of searching on this forum and elseware for info on the JBL and most of what I found were reviews of the older models JBL had out prior to this ES250PBK. It's actually a JBL ES250P with the BK signifying color (black). The older models had a problem burning up amps and much of the info I found was given by folks who don't own the JBL ES250PBK and wouldn't buy it because it has a problem with burning up amps. I don't know how this sub will do but I wouldn't place too much value on older reviews or what people say about this sub who don't own it. I probably would have bought it if it had more than just the one input to hook it up. I don't even know why that bothers me but it does. After I started looking for something else I found the Cadence CSX12 Mark II and ran into the same problem with only the one hook up. When it's all said and done I think I would have liked the Cadence better than anything for <$300 as it sells for $279 with free shipping. Some claim it doesn't go low enough but I'm sure it will go low enough to suit me and it covers frequencies it does play very well, I believe. I ended up with the Jamo and on paper it looks fantastic but I had to buy it used on ebay because it's discontinued.
That's not much about the JBL but I hope it helps a little.

Al
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post #985 of 1657
1/30/13 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I completely understand that you cant say for sure. I am not concerned about my reputation and don't do this for a living. So I am going to say that imo, in the real world that Dayton has a slim chance to none of outperforming the jbl. And Im not just basing this on the specs but also the reviews that I have read.

I have no "reputation" to concern myself with, nor am I involved in HT for a living (I'm a computer engineer), so if that was directed at me you need not bother. You're certainly entitled to have a different opinion then mine. Both are purely conjecture, so it's not like either one can be wrong.
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post #986 of 1657
1/30/13 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by JimWilson View Post

There's no standardized method to take those readings
There is, actually, has been for seventy years, give or take.
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and no one is monitoring them to ensure accuracy, so they can essentially print whatever they want to.
+1, that's the problem.
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I'd like to think there is some measure of integrity when it comes to those measurements, but I've seen far too many instances where that simply wasn't the case.
You can't put integrity in the bank. mad.gif
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post #987 of 1657
1/30/13 at 9:54am
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I was going to buy the JBL ES250PBK when I first decided to get a sub but ended up getting a Jamo SUB 650 instead. Anyway, I did a lot of searching on this forum and elseware for info on the JBL and most of what I found were reviews of the older models JBL had out prior to this ES250PBK. It's actually a JBL ES250P with the BK signifying color (black). The older models had a problem burning up amps and much of the info I found was given by folks who don't own the JBL ES250PBK and wouldn't buy it because it has a problem with burning up amps. I don't know how this sub will do but I wouldn't place too much value on older reviews or what people say about this sub who don't own it. I probably would have bought it if it had more than just the one input to hook it up. I don't even know why that bothers me but it does. After I started looking for something else I found the Cadence CSX12 Mark II and ran into the same problem with only the one hook up. When it's all said and done I think I would have liked the Cadence better than anything for <$300 as it sells for $279 with free shipping. Some claim it doesn't go low enough but I'm sure it will go low enough to suit me and it covers frequencies it does play very well, I believe. I ended up with the Jamo and on paper it looks fantastic but I had to buy it used on ebay because it's discontinued.
That's not much about the JBL but I hope it helps a little.

Al
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I was going to buy the JBL ES250PBK when I first decided to get a sub but ended up getting a Jamo SUB 650 instead. Anyway, I did a lot of searching on this forum and elseware for info on the JBL and most of what I found were reviews of the older models JBL had out prior to this ES250PBK. It's actually a JBL ES250P with the BK signifying color (black). The older models had a problem burning up amps and much of the info I found was given by folks who don't own the JBL ES250PBK and wouldn't buy it because it has a problem with burning up amps. I don't know how this sub will do but I wouldn't place too much value on older reviews or what people say about this sub who don't own it. I probably would have bought it if it had more than just the one input to hook it up. I don't even know why that bothers me but it does. After I started looking for something else I found the Cadence CSX12 Mark II and ran into the same problem with only the one hook up. When it's all said and done I think I would have liked the Cadence better than anything for <$300 as it sells for $279 with free shipping. Some claim it doesn't go low enough but I'm sure it will go low enough to suit me and it covers frequencies it does play very well, I believe. I ended up with the Jamo and on paper it looks fantastic but I had to buy it used on ebay because it's discontinued.
That's not much about the JBL but I hope it helps a little.

Al

I've been seeing people talk about that Jamo 650 Subwoofer like crazy. Sucks I missed out on that sale. But I did find a Jamo 660 for $649. Should I jump on that deal?
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post #988 of 1657
1/30/13 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Angler55 View Post

I was going to buy the JBL ES250PBK when I first decided to get a sub but ended up getting a Jamo SUB 650 instead. Anyway, I did a lot of searching on this forum and elseware for info on the JBL and most of what I found were reviews of the older models JBL had out prior to this ES250PBK. It's actually a JBL ES250P with the BK signifying color (black). The older models had a problem burning up amps and much of the info I found was given by folks who don't own the JBL ES250PBK and wouldn't buy it because it has a problem with burning up amps. I don't know how this sub will do but I wouldn't place too much value on older reviews or what people say about this sub who don't own it. I probably would have bought it if it had more than just the one input to hook it up. I don't even know why that bothers me but it does. After I started looking for something else I found the Cadence CSX12 Mark II and ran into the same problem with only the one hook up. When it's all said and done I think I would have liked the Cadence better than anything for <$300 as it sells for $279 with free shipping. Some claim it doesn't go low enough but I'm sure it will go low enough to suit me and it covers frequencies it does play very well, I believe. I ended up with the Jamo and on paper it looks fantastic but I had to buy it used on ebay because it's discontinued.
That's not much about the JBL but I hope it helps a little.

Al

Thanks for that. I'm going to wait and see if something pops up in the $200-$250 range that is similar to the RW-12D or if I get frustrated, grab that and call it a day. Missed the Jamo 650 deal.
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post #989 of 1657
1/30/13 at 10:25am
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I have no "reputation" to concern myself with, nor am I involved in HT for a living (I'm a computer engineer), so if that was directed at me you need not bother. You're certainly entitled to have a different opinion then mine. Both are purely conjecture, so it's not like either one can be wrong.
I see. I meant no offense. I assumed that since you were doing sub reviews at another place that you made your living in some sort of AV capacity. And you do have a reputation here atleast that seems pretty good. I dont mind stating my opinion but when I do I make sure that people know that its only my opinion. I am far from any sort of expert at any of this stuff so most of the time my opinion is all that I have. smile.gif
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post #990 of 1657
1/30/13 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by bigjoexxl View Post


I've been seeing people talk about that Jamo 650 Subwoofer like crazy. Sucks I missed out on that sale. But I did find a Jamo 660 for $649. Should I jump on that deal?

First, I have never heard a Jamo SUB 650 or a Jamo SUB 660.
Second, I'm the last person to give advice on buying a subwoofer.

I will say this though, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on the 660. From what I gather the 660 replaced the 650 in the model line and is pretty much the same sub. I bought the 650 for $250 shipped and if I was going to spend more than twice that I would be looking somewhere besides the Budget sub thread. There are many good subs for that price and, of course, I don't know much about them because they are not in my budget so I haven't been looking into them. I started looking at the 650 because of a sale that was posted and that's the only reason I noticed it.

I wish I could help you out but it's going to have to be someone else.

Al
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