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post #421 of 477
9/29/12 at 9:03pm
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

The brightness on the BD needs to be increased, though the DVD looks too bright. Somewhere between those two extremes would be best.

All that matters is what is accurate.

Given the declarations that Sony licenses nothing that hasn't met Grover Crisp' standards and approval, I am inclined to give the benefit of any doubt that is the case here until someone with the some authority says otherwise (if they haven't already as I haven't followed this before the above post).
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post #422 of 477
9/29/12 at 9:08pm
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missing audio too
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Originally Posted by Clownunderthebed 
Another alteration noticed.... kinda nitpicky.... during the still photo montage at the beginning of the end credits, the camera clicking sounds between each image shown has been removed. Saw this in theater and I have owned every home format release so the audio change definitely jumped out at me.
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Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan 
I'm watching the credits right now and I noticed that too. I thought there was camera "shutter" sounds when each picture changed.

Edited by junglalien - 9/30/12 at 12:09am
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post #423 of 477
9/30/12 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by junglalien View Post

seeing lots of complaints about NOTLD

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YIKES that looks dreadful. And to think I was disappointed I missed out on buying the BD.
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post #424 of 477
9/30/12 at 7:03am
Now that's BLUE-RAY! eek.gif
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post #425 of 477
9/30/12 at 10:35am
The good news is that the HDX version of NOTLD on Vudu is almost as sharp as the Blu Ray and is as bright as the DVD. The audio is not quite as good, but it's a worth while trade off. So get the DVD, and do the Walmart trade up bit for $5(they also have a $2 Blu Ray option, just do that, the Walmart employee won't know the difference). I already managed to sell my opened copy on eBay for $70... I feel dirty, but better someone else than me.
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post #426 of 477
9/30/12 at 1:35pm
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post #427 of 477
9/30/12 at 2:05pm
That is appalling
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post #428 of 477
9/30/12 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

That is appalling
The posted caps to this thread wildly exaggerate the difference in brightness between the two transfers. There is a difference in brightness and it's largely confined to a specific segment of the movie, approximately starting 5 minutes in and continuing all the way to the 27-minute mark. It's actually a quite good transfer, if one can accept the drastic change to the color timing in the beginning. There is only a slight presence of the occasional sharpening and the image largely retains its film-like grain with excellent detail.
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post #429 of 477
9/30/12 at 7:48pm
I dunno what your motivation is, but that is not true. I watched the entire movie last night, the caps do not exaggerate the effect, on my set up that's what the picture looks like when a bulb is about to go out. The night scenes are effected to a lesser extent only because its night time. But flesh tones are universally unnatural throughout as a result, often appearing pink or purple.
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post #430 of 477
9/30/12 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by rdodolak 
Since you asked, here are some comparisons between the film and trailer found on the disc. The film is on the left and the trailer on the right. Click on the images for the compressed images. The captures may not be the exact same frame, between the two, but are close enough. The framing between the film and trailer is also slightly different.

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post #431 of 477
9/30/12 at 9:02pm
^ In my quoted post above, I accidentally mentioned "compressed" originally but it should state "uncompressed".
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post #432 of 477
9/30/12 at 10:52pm
These are just some crappy screen grabs I took with my iPhone 4S camera from my seating position in the theater room, taken on a 147in projection screen with a JVC RS40 projector, compared with the HDX version found on Vudu. This is an effort to prove the screen grabs do not exaggerate whats happening.

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post #433 of 477
10/2/12 at 2:49pm
I'm not a fan of NOTLD90's 'new look'. Twilight Time has said words to the effect of "it's a shame if you were expecting it to look like the DVD", and Tom Savini said "It looks fine on my tv!" on their respective Facebook pages rolleyes.gif So for all those who think that the director has/should have the final word about what their films look like on home video, there you go.biggrin.gif

Personally, I think that someone, somewhere, with their hands on a workstation, had what they thought was a great idea about giving it a great new look, "just like The Walking Dead!" wink.gif
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post #434 of 477
10/2/12 at 3:03pm
After fans started going into hysterics about the changes, Don May got Tom Savini himself to watch the new Blu-ray. Savini says he loves the new disc and it's perfectly fine. Twilight Time contacted Sony and they confirmed the changes to the timing were at the guidance of the film's D.P. Once again screenshots have led people astray, though they did in this case indicate changes had been made to the color correction from the original print.
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post #435 of 477
10/2/12 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by Greg_R_STL View Post

I'm not a fan of NOTLD90's 'new look'. Twilight Time has said words to the effect of "it's a shame if you were expecting it to look like the DVD", and Tom Savini said "It looks fine on my tv!" on their respective Facebook pages rolleyes.gif So for all those who think that the director has/should have the final word about what their films look like on home video, there you go.biggrin.gif
Personally, I think that someone, somewhere, with their hands on a workstation, had what they thought was a great idea about giving it a great new look, "just like The Walking Dead!" wink.gif

If you're going to make with the quotes, do it accurately or leave off the quote marks. Mr. Savini said he thought the Blu-ray looked fantastic. I know that doesn't sit well with you, but he, not you, is the director of the film. Furthermore, the "someone" with "their hands on a workstation" was the film's director of photography, who signed off on this transfer, which was done two years ago. Let's just make a wild assumption that those two gentlemen might know what their intentions were as regards this film.

I am glad to see DVD Mike here as always commenting on screen caps that have no relation to what's actually on the disc.
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post #436 of 477
10/2/12 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by Phantom Stranger View Post

After fans started going into hysterics about the changes, Don May got Tom Savini himself to watch the new Blu-ray. Savini says he loves the new disc and it's perfectly fine. Twilight Time contacted Sony and they confirmed the changes to the timing were at the guidance of the film's D.P. Once again screenshots have led people astray, though they did in this case indicate changes had been made to the color correction from the original print.

Just a small correction: I believe what they said was that changes had been made to the color correction used on home video releases - I'm not at all certain they said the original theatrical prints.
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post #437 of 477
10/2/12 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

If you're going to make with the quotes, do it accurately or leave off the quote marks. Mr. Savini said he thought the Blu-ray looked fantastic. I know that doesn't sit well with you, but he, not you, is the director of the film. Furthermore, the "someone" with "their hands on a workstation" was the film's director of photography, who signed off on this transfer, which was done two years ago. Let's just make a wild assumption that those two gentlemen might know what their intentions were as regards this film.
I am glad to see DVD Mike here as always commenting on screen caps that have no relation to what's actually on the disc.


Edited by dvdmike007 - 10/2/12 at 4:13pm
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post #438 of 477
10/2/12 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

If you're going to make with the quotes, do it accurately or leave off the quote marks. Mr. Savini said he thought the Blu-ray looked fantastic. I know that doesn't sit well with you, but he, not you, is the director of the film. Furthermore, the "someone" with "their hands on a workstation" was the film's director of photography, who signed off on this transfer, which was done two years ago. Let's just make a wild assumption that those two gentlemen might know what their intentions were as regards this film.
I am glad to see DVD Mike here as always commenting on screen caps that have no relation to what's actually on the disc.

"Personally, I think that the film's director of photography had what he thought was a great idea about giving it a great new look, "just like The Walking Dead!" wink.gif"

There you go, fixed that for you. With quotes.
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post #439 of 477
10/2/12 at 6:39pm
The only question left for me... ignoring how that montage of the sun going down now makes no sense with the picture darkened already by that point...

is...

IF Sony did this 2 years ago for the 20th anniversary (I read that on Blu-ray.com) then why is this Blu-ray the first time we have seen the transfer look this way? Why isn't that the version seen on streaming services or premium TV?

That's the bit that confuses me... IF they did it for the anniversary and like the new look... why are they still using a non color-adjusted version everywhere else?
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post #440 of 477
10/2/12 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

IF Sony did this 2 years ago for the 20th anniversary (I read that on Blu-ray.com) then why is this Blu-ray the first time we have seen the transfer look this way? Why isn't that the version seen on streaming services or premium TV?

That's the bit that confuses me... IF they did it for the anniversary and like the new look... why are they still using a non color-adjusted version everywhere else?
Sony is a huge multi-national corporation,where often the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing. Hollywood studios will often have differing masters of the same film. Apparently someone from the streaming division utilized an uncorrected HD transfer for the Vudu download service, while the team headed by Grover Crisp, which actually handles home video, used this new and frankly improved master.
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post #441 of 477
10/4/12 at 6:53am
I felt bad missing out on the release as well, until I read blu-ray.com's review and then seeing these screenshot comparisons. Thanks, but no thanks.
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post #442 of 477
10/27/12 at 4:14pm
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January 15th

OUR MAN FLINT (1966)
EXPERIMENT IN TERROR (1962)



February 12th

PONY SOLDIER (1952)
IN LIKE FLINT (1967)
NICHOLAS AND ALEXANDRA (1971)
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post #443 of 477
10/29/12 at 9:48am
SAE is making it difficult to actually track the possible Twilight Time releases. A search by BR turns up lots of releases that Twilight Time has nothing to do with. Searching via "Twilight Time" misses The Egyptian BR. Waiting for another release that I want to purchase and the wait looks pretty long.
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post #444 of 477
11/11/12 at 9:06pm
Seems that the DP for NOTLD never had "their hands on a workstation" at all, he's never even seen the transfer and thinks the comparison shots look terrible: https://www.facebook.com/frankprinziasc?fref=ts
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I have not seen the Blue ray transfer yet but it seems the changes are radical. Sadly, I wasn't at the transfer and that opens the door to possible misinterpretation.. Hopefully the style of the photography doesn't take away from the incredible story.
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just saw the link and think it looked "terrible". It might have been smart for the people who did the transfer to send me a "first draft "dvd for my comments but I guess it wasn't in their perceived interests to do so. This often happens in the business and that is a real shame. FP
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Thanks for your feedback on the show. I just saw a quick side by side comparison that Eric Campbell sent ( I have not seen the new transfer yet). What I saw looked terrible. I hope the DVD doesn't really look like that. A couple of years ago I gave notes to Sony but never got a "first draft " copy to review. The interpretation from my words to a colorists mind has infinite possibilities. I hope it isn't as bad as it appears. Thanks FP

I hope this leads to a re-done version.
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post #445 of 477
11/11/12 at 9:10pm
Also: http://www.cinemalowdown.com/2012/11/cinema-lowdown-exclusive.html
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FRANK PRINZI: I have to let you know that I haven't seen the transfer on Blu-ray, on a good screen, yet. I just saw [a] quick clip on the internet and what I saw looked bad. I was consulted verbally a couple of years back but was never given a "first draft" copy of the transfer to give my true feedback. It went from words to visuals. The range of interpretation is limitless. The words “cool” or “darker” can be taken in so many ways that without a visual marker to refer to, one can go in any direction. From what I hear the direction taken did not bring pleasing results to many.
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post #446 of 477
11/12/12 at 6:46pm
That is definitely an interesting turn of events, but not unexpected. Unknown technicians and digital colorists in Hollywood make the majority of decisions on matters such as color timing for modern transfers, though usually at the command of someone from the studio.
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post #447 of 477
12/2/12 at 10:34pm
Is there a website for Twilight time? i'd like to keep track of future releases so I don't miss another one like Journey To The Center Of the Earth. It seems that company is the best kept secret in Blue Ray sales.
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post #448 of 477
12/2/12 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by Phil Olson View Post

Is there a website for Twilight time? i'd like to keep track of future releases so I don't miss another one like Journey To The Center Of the Earth. It seems that company is the best kept secret in Blue Ray sales.

http://www.screenarchives.com/index.cfm
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post #449 of 477
12/3/12 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

Furthermore, the "someone" with "their hands on a workstation" was the film's director of photography

Well, that turned out to be completely untrue, didn't it?
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post #450 of 477
12/11/12 at 1:17pm
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THE FURY (1978) BLU-RAY - March 12th
CHRISTINE (1983) BLU-RAY - March 12th

THE SONG OF BERNADETTE (1943) BLU-RAY - April 9th
MAJOR DUNDEE (1965) BLU-RAY (2-disc set) - April 9th
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