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How to mount a heavy (59.4 Lb.) JML Mini Utopia speaker on wall for surround?

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
Members,

Up-Date,

Both rear surround speakers are going to be mounted on the rear wall.
They are going to sit on Custom made speaker shelves.
The speakers will sit on "Auralex" Monitor Isolation Pads.

As large as this site is and all the members that are on it I am sure some of you have experience in this.

I need to mount {Both} of my JML Mini Utopia (59.4 Lbs) each rear surround speakers to the rear wall.

That is the only way I can do it as there is the staircase coming up into the room.

This speaker if possible mounted on the rear wall will solve the problem of location.

What I would prefer is a mount where the speaker could sit on the base plate without drilling holes in the bottom of the speaker.

I did find a mount that will handle the weight and it is by, (OMNI-Mount).
http://www.standsandmounts.com/omnim...eiling600.aspx

But as you see it would require drilling holes in the bottom of the speaker.

I also found these but they are not heavy duty enough or large enough to hold the JML Mini Utopia spkr.
http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40.../dp/B002UV03MW






Product Features
  • Fits most Bookshelf style speakers
  • Adjustable side clamping design for speakers 5.5"-11" wide
  • 50 lb. max weight load
  • Tilt angle +/-7 degrees; swivel +/-90 degrees
  • Steel construction
The size specs of the JML Mini Utopia are:

Weight 59.4 Lbs.
24" Tall
16" Deep
10" Wide




Thanks for any assistance you can give on this.

Terry

Take a look at this picture and you can see the starcase to the Left of the rear surrounds.
I want to mount the (Left) rear surround on the rear wall above the staircase.
Then move the right rear surround to the far right on it's stand.

Old Picture of HT .........





Latest picture of HT .......

post #2 of 38
You could use 3m's automotive trim foam tape, but it would likely damage the speaker cabinet far more than drilling holes if you ever wanted to remove it.
I've used it once on wood, mounting a small control box to a solid alder cabinet, took about 1/4 deep of wood with it when i removed it
post #3 of 38
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Originally Posted by Theonetruegreg View Post

You could use 3m's automotive trim foam tape, but it would likely damage the speaker cabinet far more than drilling holes if you ever wanted to remove it.
I've used it once on wood, mounting a small control box to a solid alder cabinet, took about 1/4 deep of wood with it when i removed it

Thanks, I worked at car dealers for 16 years in support of service.
I'm familiar with the 3M's products.

I'm hoping some of the members here have done this already and might share their experience with me.

Terry
post #4 of 38
I think you have the best technique for getting help.

Your picture is priceless.


I would find the studs in the wall & custom make some shelves that will support your speakers. Just ask any handy contractor - might be less than the mounts you have linked.
post #5 of 38
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Originally Posted by oOOBillO0o View Post

I think you have the best technique for getting help.

Your picture is priceless.


I would find the studs in the wall & custom make some shelves that will support your speakers. Just ask any handy contractor - might be less than the mounts you have linked.

+1

I was thinking the same thing. I have my surrounds sitting on shelves that I made and it has worked out very well.
post #6 of 38
I searched for a looong time for a solution to wall mount Polk LSI9s and came up empty. I've since built shelves and padded them with Auralex Mopads, slightly tilting the speakers down. As a safety precaution I also zip-tied the speakers to a wall hook.
post #7 of 38
The shelf idea is very easy and would work well. Another idea is to make, or have made, a pair of metal brackets that will hold/cradle the speaker. I've done this before for a pair of wall mounted speakers at my father's house. This is fairly simple, and will securely hold the speakers, even at a down angle, without having to drill into the speaker cab. I'll try to describe- although a picture here would be worth a lot of words. Imagine two "L" shaped lengths of metal- I used heavy flat Aluminum "strips" maybe an inch wide. One leg of the "L" is mounted flush on the wall, and the other extends out horizontally into the room. Now imagine a short third bend in the metal, at the end that extends into the room. This bend will be 90 degrees, and only an inch or two in length. This keeps the speaker from sliding out of it's cradle. Now the "L" can be bent to aim the speaker down into the listening area. Of course all the sizing, cutting, and bending is done before mounting the brackets. I painted mine black, and nobody would know they were DIY. You can even glue some felt on the inside to protect those nice speakers.

Looks something like this:
Ignore the dots only used to space the "X"s.

Edit: Note that the speakers will need to be oriented horizontally to use this method.


X
X
X
X.............X
X.............X
XXXXXXXXX

Then angle down at desired angle.
post #8 of 38
Find the studs in the wall and mount a shelf. I wouldn't even drill holes into a $200 speaker, let alone yours.
post #9 of 38
I would find the studs in the wall & custom make some shelves that will support your speakers. Just ask any handy contractor - might be less than the mounts you have linked.[/quote]

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I agree; just get some steel L-brackets and install wood shelves about 20 inches wide, so they will span 2 studs, and make sure the screws go into the center of the two studs.

You should drill 1/8 pilot holes so you don't split the studs, and install the L-brackets with #12 x 3-inch screws and then attach the shelves with short screws.

I like to put a sheet of the rubber sheeting used on RV shelves to keep things from sliding around, under each speaker.
post #10 of 38
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone,

I'm answering this way instead of individually.

I have been researching this for awhile and the install is coming up soon so I need to get a game plan down.

My A/V rep. is coming tomorrow afternoon to meet with me and the new placement on the speakers and subs.

Thanks again everyone,
Terry

BTW,

That was an old pic. I put above just to show the speakers and the staircase coming up.
Major changes are now taking place.
Here is the beginning of this.
Ekornes Stressless seating is going in.
The two recliners and ottomans will be here in two weeks.
Then the New A/V components will be installed.
That is why the speakers are going to be relocated.
There will be a Runco VX-11d projector.
New Integra DHC-80.3 preamp processor.
And a Integra DBS 50.3 Blu-ray Player.






post #11 of 38
^^^

i'd agree with the others, some type of shelf is likely your best option...

nice room... impressive vacuuming job too...
post #12 of 38
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

nice room... impressive vacuuming job too...

x2
post #13 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

i'd agree with the others, some type of shelf is likely your best option...

nice room... impressive vacuuming job too...

Chris, ... That is the direction I am thinking.
Speaking of the Vacuum job.
I was trying out our new Orek Vacuum.
I figured the HT was a good test area.

Quote:
Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

x2

Jim, ... we be on the same page.
Hopefully my A/V rep will be thinking the same come tomorrow afternoon.

OK, guys here is the rest of the story on the well vacuum HT.
Oh, if any of you are looking for an excellent vacuum this is one bad machine.
A clearer pic. below.






LOL,
Terry
post #14 of 38
Just to stir things up a bit, Miele is better for off-axis vacuuming.

post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Just to stir things up a bit, Miele is better for off-axis vacuuming.


I own a Dysan DC25 and highly recommend it; they do it better in a treated room than most. I've owned the Oreck and Miele in the last six months and the Dysan blew them away.
post #16 of 38
This thread sucks.

post #17 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Just to stir things up a bit, Miele is better for off-axis vacuuming.


Quote:
Originally Posted by citizen arcane View Post

I own a Dysan DC25 and highly recommend it; they do it better in a treated room than most. I've owned the Oreck and Miele in the last six months and the Dysan blew them away.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bing View Post

This thread sucks.


Well just got the Oreck so I am sticking with it.

Your right this Thread did end up "Sucking"

Back to Speaker talk:
Well guys I hope to have a positive meeting tomorrow with my A/V Rep.
I just got off the phone with the fellow that did a lot of our Home renovation.
He is a professional cabinet maker and now has his own Business.
He is coming by this Thursday and said that should not be a problem at all.
So I think I have a handle on the rear surround JML Wall-Shelf.

Once again I appreciate all your input as it gave me something to consider
other than commercial mountings that require drilling holes in a 4K speaker.


Terry
post #18 of 38
Thread Starter 
Up-Date,

Had meeting with both the A/V Rep. and my guy that will build the {Custom} Spkr. Shelves.

All went well and now the wait begins.
I will Post Pics. of the shelves once they arrive and get installed.

I think there will be other members here that might benefit from this information.

I'm sure I am not the only member on AVS that has the need for shelves for their surround speakers.
(Heavy surround Speakers)

Terry
post #19 of 38
Sounds interesting - good luck?
post #20 of 38
I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I wanted to mount my Salk SongCenter speaker on the wall below my plasma, and it weighed 40 lbs. I ended up purchasing this:

http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-Adjus...1225568&sr=8-7

Only $40 and supports up to 100lbs. Mounts to your studs in the wall so it's really sturdy, and you don't have to drill into the speaker. Sorry I'm a bit late, but hope this helps!

-Chad
post #21 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Sounds interesting - good luck?

I will know more this coming Saturday, hopefully.
Will Post Up-Dates as I can.

Quote:
Originally Posted by thirdeye11 View Post

I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I wanted to mount my Salk SongCenter speaker on the wall below my plasma, and it weighed 40 lbs. I ended up purchasing this:

http://www.amazon.com/Peerless-Adjus...1225568&sr=8-7

Only $40 and supports up to 100lbs. Mounts to your studs in the wall so it's really sturdy, and you don't have to drill into the speaker. Sorry I'm a bit late, but hope this helps!

-Chad

Chad, ... looks like that would work in some cases but in my situation it would not.
I need a shelf large enough that the rear surround speakers can be angled/turned sitting on it.
The rear surrounds have to also be tilted down towards the MLP also.

That is why in this situation the shelves require being Custom made.

Terry
post #22 of 38
That is one sweet looking theater. Old school Utopia's. It has to be a great sounding system. I hope the shelf idea works out for you. It would be cool if you shared more info on your room. Size, size of the screen, sub(s). I see that you mentioned some Runco and Integra gear. I am sure it sounds and looks great.
post #23 of 38
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

That is one sweet looking theater. Old school Utopia's. It has to be a great sounding system. I hope the shelf idea works out for you. It would be cool if you shared more info on your room. Size, size of the screen, sub(s). I see that you mentioned some Runco and Integra gear. I am sure it sounds and looks great.

Mike, I will do that but it will possibly be on another Thread here on AVS I have already started.

Nothing has been installed at this point as in the New Gear.
Had to get the New Ekornes Stressless seating in place 1st.
http://www.audioaficionado.org/home-...tml#post279631
There is also a New Runco VX-11d to be installed.
Plus Integra DHC-80.3 Pre-Amp Processor & Integra DBS-50.3 Blu-Ray Player.

They are also going to relocate all the JML Utopia Speakers.
Including the 4-BPS-400 Mirage Subs.

That is what brought this Thread about because the rear JML Mini Utopia's have to go on shelves mounted to the rear wall.
That way they can be in the correct place for the 7.2 (4-Subs) new system.

Terry
post #24 of 38
Those subs are really nice. They were one of the first really good subs I heard way back when Tweeter was Bryn Mar stereo. With four of them, I am sure it is quite powerful. And those chairs also look really comfy. Good luck with getting everything setup.
post #25 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Those subs are really nice. They were one of the first really good subs I heard way back when Tweeter was Bryn Mar stereo. With four of them, I am sure it is quite powerful. And those chairs also look really comfy. Good luck with getting everything setup.

Mike, ........ thanks and I will do a Post right here showing the custom shelves.
That will be next week if all goes well.

Terry
post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by tigerhonaker View Post

Mike, ........ thanks and I will do a Post right here showing the custom shelves.
That will be next week if all goes well.

Terry

Great. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with.
post #27 of 38
Nice room and gear, but what really impressed me is the wireless speaker mounted to the front of your vacuum !
post #28 of 38
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIkeDuke View Post

Great. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with.

Mike, rear wall is now ready for those {Rear-Shelves} see picture.




Quote:
Originally Posted by chatanika View Post

Nice room and gear, but what really impressed me is the wireless speaker mounted to the front of your vacuum !

Thanks and that New Ortech Vacuum is a killer machine.


Terry
post #29 of 38
Thread Starter 
Latest Up-Date on Custom Rear Shelves.

Here are pictures of what my guy made for me for rear surround shelves.
These will easily support my JML Mini Utopia surround speakers.
Not cheap for sure but I got my monies worth.
Plus I won't have to now "Worry" about my rear speakers falling.

These also allow the speakers to be angled exactly to the right position.


Here is Mike that made the 2-rear surround shelves mounting them on rear wall.

Each rear shelf sits down over this section.
Then 3" screws hold it in place.
Then when the shelf is mounted it is glued and more screws added.
The way it is made with the trim on the sides you cannot see the, (Auralex Mopad Isolation Pads that will provide the 8-Deg. Tilt)
They are really pretty darn slick and my Pics are pitiful showing any of this.
Each JML Mini Utopia weighs 60 Lbs.

























Terry
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post #30 of 38
^^^
Looks good - another job for the vacuum cleaner too.
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