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post #31 of 60
NewToHT,

Are you considering OMD-15/OMD-C1 to replace the Boston VS260/VS325C?

I ask because because I have alot of experience with the OMD-5, and some with the OMD-C1 as well... and after only spending a short time spent with the Boston VS speakers... I think a switch to Mirage would actually be a downgrade in some aspects (not all though).
post #32 of 60
There is no way on gods green earth those bostons sound better than the mirage.. If he is more into music,he better look at Paradigm,Martin Logan something like that.. Boston is mediocre at best..
post #33 of 60
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

NewToHT,

Are you considering OMD-15/OMD-C1 to replace the Boston VS260/VS325C?

I ask because because I have alot of experience with the OMD-5, and some with the OMD-C1 as well... and after only spending a short time spent with the Boston VS speakers... I think a switch to Mirage would actually be a downgrade in some aspects (not all though).

They would not be replacing them. They would be replacing an older set of Boston Vr20's and a Vr920 center (which I love). I have a dedicated theater room where the Mirage speakers would be going into if I pull the trigger. I listen to the 260's with 50% music and 50% tv/movies.....and they are REAL NICE. I have a FP set up for when I really want to watch a BIG movie. I also sometimes listen to music in there but not as often. Since I like to be enveloped in sound with a movie....and only have a 5.1 set up in that theater room.......I was thinking the Mirage may be a good choice.

Since you are the first person who has experience with both I am VERY curious on how the Mirage differs from the Bostons. If it's nothing major than I am fine with keeping what I have and maybe upgrading the sub or something.
post #34 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

There is no way on gods green earth those bostons sound better than the mirage.. If he is more into music,he better look at Paradigm,Martin Logan something like that.. Boston is mediocre at best..

Ummmmmmm.......have you actually heard the Boston Vs260's?? What Boston speakers have you actually heard?
post #35 of 60
I don't need to hear them,they are just another box speaker.. The mirage's aren't.. And if your putting them in your theater,you will be pleased.. There is no comparison because its diff technology..
post #36 of 60
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Originally Posted by NewToHT View Post

They would not be replacing them. They would be replacing an older set of Boston Vr20's and a Vr920 center (which I love). I have a dedicated theater room where the Mirage speakers would be going into if I pull the trigger. I listen to the 260's with 50% music and 50% tv/movies.....and they are REAL NICE.

I have listened to, or owned - Mirage monopole, bi-pole and omni speakers.
To me, the Mirage sounds somewhat artificial and somewhat weak, in the
midrange and treble - compared to the Boston VR speakers, and more so
compared to the VS speakers. The omni sound is nice for movie surround
sound > For music I tend to get somewhat distracted and annoyed, with the
imaging. I will not call Mirage bad speakers - and I do not have experience
with the OMD-15.
post #37 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

There is no way on gods green earth those bostons sound better than the mirage.. If he is more into music,he better look at Paradigm,Martin Logan something like that.. Boston is mediocre at best..

Oh, it's you again... The guy who hasn't heard the Mirage OMD series at all... and who apparently loves Paradigm and Martin Logan...

I'm guessing you haven't heard the Boston VS series either? Well, I've heard both...

So when you actually have some experience with the speakers in question, maybe your opinion will have some merit.
post #38 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I don't need to hear them,they are just another box speaker..

Well, that says it all. As far as I see it, your posts have no credibility...
post #39 of 60
You can't be serious and say Bostons are better than Paradigm or ML..
post #40 of 60
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Originally Posted by NewToHT View Post

They would not be replacing them. They would be replacing an older set of Boston Vr20's and a Vr920 center (which I love). I have a dedicated theater room where the Mirage speakers would be going into if I pull the trigger. I listen to the 260's with 50% music and 50% tv/movies.....and they are REAL NICE. I have a FP set up for when I really want to watch a BIG movie. I also sometimes listen to music in there but not as often. Since I like to be enveloped in sound with a movie....and only have a 5.1 set up in that theater room.......I was thinking the Mirage may be a good choice.

Since you are the first person who has experience with both I am VERY curious on how the Mirage differs from the Bostons. If it's nothing major than I am fine with keeping what I have and maybe upgrading the sub or something.

I like the OMD's for movies... especially how the center made it seem as though voices really did emanate from the screen. The sound is very consistent in just about any listening position.

But the somewhat diffuse nature of the sound has some drawbacks IMO, more noticeable with music. In my room, vocals in music sound a bit lifted up and pushed back in space, and the midrange overall had a slight hollowness to it. Mind you, this is the OMD-5 I'm talking about. The OMD-15 may be different - I don't know.

For movies, the only thing that would stop me from recommending the OMD line is that I felt the OMD-C1, was just a little hollow sounding in the midrange (like the OMD-5), and dialogue was a little edgy.

While I really appreciate how the C1 just disappears, and voices seem to originate on screen... I still opted to go a different route. I preferred both the Energy RC-LCR and NHT TwoC, but that's just my preference.

Since it's a dedicated theater room, maybe you could order just the C1 (or C2), and try it out. I have no doubt the OMD-15's are solid speakers. So if the center can deliver what you want for movies, the 15's would round out the setup.
post #41 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

You can't be serious and say Bostons are better than Paradigm or ML..

1. I didn't say they were. I don't make claims about speakers I've never heard

2. Which Boston speakers have you heard? Just like any brand, not all Boston speakers are created equal. The VS series is Boston's flagship line.
post #42 of 60
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

I like the OMD's for movies... especially how the center made it seem as though voices really did emanate from the screen. The sound is very consistent in just about any listening position.

But the somewhat diffuse nature of the sound has some drawbacks IMO, more noticeable with music. In my room, vocals in music sound a bit lifted up and pushed back in space, and the midrange overall had a slight hollowness to it. Mind you, this is the OMD-5 I'm talking about. The OMD-15 may be different - I don't know.

For movies, the only thing that would stop me from recommending the OMD line is that I felt the OMD-C1, was just a little hollow sounding in the midrange (like the OMD-5), and dialogue was a little edgy.

While I really appreciate how the C1 just disappears, and voices seem to originate on screen... I still opted to go a different route. I preferred both the Energy RC-LCR and NHT TwoC, but that's just my preference.

Since it's a dedicated theater room, maybe you could order just the C1 (or C2), and try it out. I have no doubt the OMD-15's are solid speakers. So if the center can deliver what you want for movies, the 15's would round out the setup.

Thanks for the great response! It's funny you mention the Energy RC LCR. When I called Vanns and discussed the Mirage system he asked me about my listening habits and what I liked. He told me to consider Energy RC50's, 70's and the LCR center. Now I'm really torn!! That's the one thing I hate about Maine.....other than the fact we are getting 10" of snow today.....there are no good places to find a lot of these speaker companies around me and listen. I have to pester people on here for their opinions! Any thoughts on the Energy RC series and how it would compare to the Mirage or Boston?
post #43 of 60
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Originally Posted by NewToHT View Post

Now I'm really torn!! That's the one thing I hate about Maine.....other than the fact we are getting 10" of snow today.....there are no good places to find a lot of these speaker companies around me and listen.

Nothing like a small challange to start the day Good Luck!
post #44 of 60
I haven't heard the Boston VS's.. But I know without hearing them,Mirage is a lot diff sounding. The Boston's are still a box speaker,unless you do something radically diff they are still doing to be a direct radiating speaker. Mirage isn't. I have heard the Mirage's and it was like nothing I ever heard.. 10" of snow.. ack! I'm in Minnesota and we haven't barely had any..Its supposed to be 40 today and 50 by tues..
post #45 of 60
I got the OMD 15's set up.. They sound pretty good,but by no means blow my Paradigm monitors out of the water. SO far anyhow.. I hope they get better after they get broken in. They look really nice.. What ohms do you guys set your receiver at? 4 or 6?
post #46 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I got the OMD 15's set up.. They sound pretty good,but by no means blow my Paradigm monitors out of the water. SO far anyhow.. I hope they get better after they get broken in. They look really nice.. What ohms do you guys set your receiver at? 4 or 6?

I had mine always at 8. Add a sub and you should be just as happy as your were with the monitors.
post #47 of 60
My Onkyo only does 4 or 6,I have it on 6 right now.
post #48 of 60
I would recommend setting the receiver at 6 ohms. If you set the Onkyo at 4, all that really does is limit the current and could possibly degrade the sound.
post #49 of 60
Thread Starter 
6 should be fine. I have an Onk 890..... Those Mirage's are 6ohm. You only should run it on 4 if the speakers are 4ohm.....and even more efficient 4ohm speakers can be run on 8 on the 890...

I'm REALLY looking forward to more of your thoughts on the OMD15!!
post #50 of 60
I'm gonna be breaking them in for a while..But I'm curious if its going to really do anything. I have the Onkyo on 6 ohms. At best buy the Mirage's and ML's were harder to drive than the B&W and Def tech..
post #51 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I'm gonna be breaking them in for a while..But I'm curious if its going to really do anything. I have the Onkyo on 6 ohms. At best buy the Mirage's and ML's were harder to drive than the B&W and Def tech..

From what I hear the OMD-15's completely change after 100 hours of moderate break in. I guess keep the CD player on repeat and put it on normal listening levels for 4 days straight!! HAHA!!
post #52 of 60
I'm actually gonna leave it on comcast music channel while I'm at work and sleeping. What is some good music to demo these things? What kind of music has bongos in them? That would sound good.
post #53 of 60
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

I'm actually gonna leave it on comcast music channel while I'm at work and sleeping. What is some good music to demo these things? What kind of music has bongos in them? That would sound good.

I left my new 15s on the FiOS Classical music ch for five days & night's. While I noticed some change in performance over the break in period, it was not much. That said, I think the 15s sound great but the C1 is the star of the show.

I still us NanoSats as surrounds and wides and, perhaps someday I'll put 5s there. I would love to try the Rs but my room geometry just won't support it.
post #54 of 60
1st...try and listen to these. Always audition stuff you want to buy. I have OMD 15's. If you have the right equipment and settings...you will be amazed on how these sound. Also read reviews. Hometheater magazine online and other sites where these guys listen to and review day audiophile equipment. It's a help...but Go listen to them. Best way to make a decision.
post #55 of 60
I am in the final stages of setting up my theater with the OMD-15's and C1 center. What acoustical room treatments do you guys use/have? a room that has a wood floor and woody panel walls, so the I'm looking to dampen the room, but not take away from the sound of the mirage speakers. I'm also running OS3 Sats for the side, and Omnican-55s for the rears.

Thanks!
post #56 of 60
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Originally Posted by Noman74656 View Post

I am in the final stages of setting up my theater with the OMD-15's and C1 center. What acoustical room treatments do you guys use/have? a room that has a wood floor and woody panel walls, so the I'm looking to dampen the room, but not take away from the sound of the mirage speakers. I'm also running OS3 Sats for the side, and Omnican-55s for the rears.
Thanks!

Hi Noman, to many hard surfaces are not very good. Do you have a area rug on the wood floors?? Do the clap echo test, clap your hands in the room and if the acoustics are good there will be no echo. Acoustic panels are great behind the mains L&R but nothing on the sides of the 15's they like to reflect. These guys make nice panels for a very good price. The Microsuede is very nice. http://www.atsacoustics.com/
post #57 of 60
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Originally Posted by Bluvette View Post

Hi Noman, to many hard surfaces are not very good. Do you have a area rug on the wood floors?? Do the clap echo test, clap your hands in the room and if the acoustics are good there will be no echo. Acoustic panels are great behind the mains L&R but nothing on the sides of the 15's they like to reflect. These guys make nice panels for a very good price. The Microsuede is very nice. http://www.atsacoustics.com/

Hi Bluvette, thanks for the advice. I was checking out the pictures of your theater, and I am going to try mimicking how your have your OMD-28 positioned with sound panels behind them. My 15's are a little more centered, but I bet the sound will improve a bit closer to the walls.I will have to take some pics, but I actually started building my own panels (14" by 14" squares) out of coffee bags. I should get some pics of those, and I know I will need a lot of them to make a difference. My room failed the echo test with flying colors wink.gif

Also, your theater looks extremely sharp! I can only imagine how good it sounds.
post #58 of 60
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Originally Posted by Noman74656 View Post

Hi Bluvette, thanks for the advice. I was checking out the pictures of your theater, and I am going to try mimicking how your have your OMD-28 positioned with sound panels behind them. My 15's are a little more centered, but I bet the sound will improve a bit closer to the walls.I will have to take some pics, but I actually started building my own panels (14" by 14" squares) out of coffee bags. I should get some pics of those, and I know I will need a lot of them to make a difference. My room failed the echo test with flying colors wink.gif
Also, your theater looks extremely sharp! I can only imagine how good it sounds.

Thanks for the kind words on my HT. My 28's are a bit to close to the side walls you want 2-3 feet all around them. Yes, it would be great to get some pictures up they could be very helpful.
post #59 of 60
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Originally Posted by Bluvette View Post

Thanks for the kind words on my HT. My 28's are a bit to close to the side walls you want 2-3 feet all around them. Yes, it would be great to get some pictures up they could be very helpful.

Finally some pics! Please take a look and I would love any advice or feedback on the configuration. This is my first major theater setup. The room is an "L" shape with the theater portion being 12' W x 27' L and then the other portion of the basement being 11' W x 12' L. The projector is a Mitts HD1000, and screen is 100". The listening position is 12' back from the screen.



Those coffee bags on the front wall are sound panels I built using a core material from a local vendor. The OMD-15's are not yet in their final resting place, but they are about 2 feet from the back and side walls somewhat per the Mirage instructions.



I was also wondering, for all of you have that a C1 center, how do you point them in this position? and by angling down, do you mean the "Mirage" badge on the front is facing more downward toward the floor? I know it's different for every person's configuration, but sometimes the voices seem so very faint during movies.

The Emotiva UMC-1 (driving an XPA-5) was an upgrade from a Denon AVR-791. Incredible difference! I have not been impressed yet with the room correction on the UMC-1, but I also added the wood floor (replaced 70's carpet) at the same time I upgraded to the processor/amp configuration. I have heard that placement of the sound panels is critical with the Mirage omnipolar speakers. Bluvette had good advice about placement around the 15's, but how should I place them around my surround speakers?



The sub is an Outlaw LMF 1-EX. Tron: Legacy is my favorite movie to demo for people, especially the light cycle battle. There is bass that I cannot hear, but I can feel the couch shaking! How do people think the placement of sub affects the OMD-15? I'm thinking moving it closer to the wall will make the speaker sound bigger? (please forgive my novice terminology).



Two more of the sound panels I built out of the coffee bags. I need to make something in the ballpark of 20 more of that size to really start making a difference with the echo in the room. I also need to get or build some bass traps. The vendor Bluvette recommended has very reasonable prices, so I may go that route.



The right OMD-15, with my old sub (some 12" one I grabbed from a closing circuit city). I don't have any specs on the sub, but I hope to try and use it with the Outlaw.




I have OS3-Sat's for my side surrounds. I only got them over the OMD-5's because the OS3's were on sale. I kind of regret it since I now want the OMD-5's, but they appear hard to come by.



I have two Omnican-55's coming in the mail for rear surrounds to make it a 7.1 system. I acquired an Onkyo M-282 amp to drive them (started running out of $$$). Should the rear surrounds be the same distance from the ears of the listener as the side surrounds?

Thanks for looking!
post #60 of 60
Your audio set up came along real nice! The Speakers look good in the rosewood.

How do they sound with rock music?(Incubus, red hot chili peppers, green day, staind, Linkin Park, bob marely, amy winehouse, the black keys, cage the elephant and so on)

I had Cerwin Vega 12's and they kicked butt but the wife said they were to big and I gave them to my family members (SUCKS!)

I currently have polk rm sat's around, with a serious sub woofer that can handle all the lows.with a Denon avr 3600 which I need to replace because it is old and a channel is broken.



I am thinking of and most likely getting a Marantz 6007. 110w rated rms
and possibly the omd-15 in black as my fronts. I may keep my polk center, it is pretty good.


If I enjoy listening to bands like incubus and red hot chili peppers will these speakers be a good fit? I have nice headphones by Denon ahd-5000 headphones and I am trying to get my speakers to sound better then them

I have been in best buy and heard their speakers and have not been impressed with anything there..


Advice folks???

I want a slim cool looking design with a Super Clear Highs, flat smooth Mids and tight bass.
I am a 70% music listener and 30% HT Listener
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