Official Sharp AQUOS LC-80LE844U Owners thread - Page 42

I did both...I wrote on their delivery sheet what I saw on the box with the holes taped up and when I turned the tv on, and I made a copy of it b4 giving it back to them....Abes is closed so ill have to wait til Monday. I would like to ask for next day shipping free of charge, but I'm thinking thats just asking for more damage...These kind of scenarios really suck being a customer, as the seller already has my money, I have no tv, and they are closed on the weekend....

Here's some better pics for you guys to see.

I've gone back and forth with suzook's settings and the default sharp. The PQ is great but the SOE is really impacting my viewing enjoyment. What have you or others found to be the case?

Feel your pain. The replacement set is worth the wait. Chris over at Cleveland Plasma had another set shipped out to me in under a week. Service was great!

Hmm sorry hadn't read through all your prior posts before chiming in.

Ordinarily I'd say maybe some channels (eg native 720p) might not be processed well in the set whereas others (eg1080i) are. However given wht you're saying that obviously is not the case. Presumably TNT sources content at multiple resolutions but should theoretically pass it to you in the same final resolution, whatever that is (1080i I'd guess).

That said, please keep supplying examples, particularly within the same channel(s) where there is a problem. Note: Forrest Gump was shot on film originally, at 24fps, whereas L&O is shot on HD video, at either 30 or 60fps.

Like I said above, the final resolution passed to you, as well as the frame rate, should be the same. Maybe it's possible that something in the film vs video conversion on TNT's end is leaving some flag or artifact that the set's processing is choking on.

Maybe someone else with the set can DVR some of these shows and see?

Law and order is shot usiung Panaflex cameras on 35mm film.

S~

I modified his settings a tad to turn off ALL enhancements.

ciaran if you modified them, please post what you did specifically so others may try and decide which they like best. thanks for sharing

So I went and did some heavy movie watching today on FIOS and what I can say is that there are a lot of things that a set this size brings to light that you just don't see on a smaller screen.

First and foremost, even FIOS shows some pretty heavy compression. I'm not sure what the source was for these films, but there is some major loss in detail.

I think the most disturbing was the blue blob effect. I saw this in suckerpunch on the train fight scene (check youtube). There's a CGI blue lighting effect going on during the whole fight and most of the time it looked like dirty blue blobs. I was able to correct this a little by turning off my HQV Reon in my Onkyo 875 and by turning off the expanded color gamut setting. Not sure which one had a better effect, but that seemed to work. BTW, those wondering, my STBs are only capable of 1080i so the REON was doing the 1080p scaling. I didn't go look at the hidden menu settings to see what I had it set to before I turned it off. I actually believe this is a result of the compression and scaling as I saw it in X-men first class on some of the lighting while watching on FIOS, but not on the blu ray in the same scenes.

HD films that run on blu-ray at 1080p24 and converted to 1080p60 (or more likely 720p60) for HBO, Showtime and Cinemax seem to show the most judder and/or soap opera effect. Watching those same films on a good blu-ray source eliminates all of that. I did that with X-Men first class as it was driving me insane and I thought it was the TV. The soap opera effect appeared to come and go, like the framerate was speeding up and slowing down.

I have the older FIOS boxes so I'm not entirely sure if all users will see this. My boxes support MPEG4, but they're discontinued motorola models and not the new cisco boxes. I'm going to look into replacement boxes this week and see if it's any better.

Interestingly enough, I actually ended up with the motion enhancement turned back on to 120hz high after all of that. It seemed to work best for Verizon TV and still looked fine on 1080p24 blu rays.

So for those who don't want to read a huge wall of text:

1. FIOS compression is evil.
2. Blu Ray looks fantastic.
3. I have old set top boxes (QIP series boxes, not CHS) and that may be part of the issue.

Sorry, I wasn't at home. Here are my changes::
 

OPC: OFF

Motion Enhancement: OFF
Film Mode: OFF
DNR: OFF

All else the same.

Edited by CiaranAnthony - 6/6/12 at 7:09pm

I did all this and still saw SOE on FIOS with this set.
It's either the STB's (see my post, I have the old ones), compression, or something about the way the scalar is converting the video. It's not constant SOE, but even with all of those things off, you'd think the set was running at 120hz at times. It's almost as if these older boxes aren't fast enough to handle MPEG4 compression, but I didn't notice it until I hooked up this TV.

I'm tempted to set the STB output to 720p and then have the REON scale to 1080p and see if it goes away.

I don't see SOE at all on blu rays.

And OPC OFF too? I get no SOE.

Yes, I have OPC off as well.

I just tried something interesting. I set the STB to 720p instead of 1080i (mine cannot output 1080p). I'm watching suckerpunch again on maxHD right now and so far, no SOE at all.

It was pretty terrible the first time I watched it. I'm also not seeing nearly as much compression dirtiness.

I might turn my REON back on and let it convert to 1080p from here and see how that goes.

I have DTV HR34-700 STB and out of curiosity I tuned to TMAXHD to see Sucker Punch and I'm not seeing any SOE. I have all enhancements turned on with 240hz motion enhancement and signal is going directly to TV from STB via HDMI with only the audio going to my receiver via digital coax.

I have mine set to 120hz high right now.
I have the verizon Motorola QIP 7216. When I watched this film this morning with it set to 1080i, I had terrible SOE.
I just watched it again with it set to 720p and had none at all. I also had motion enhancement turned all the way off this morning.

My signal is routing from the STB to my Onkyo 875 to my TV though, but the REON is currently set to off. We turned it on in the middle of the film to have it convert 720p to 1080p and I didn't notice any SOE, but it dirtied up some parts of the film so we turned it back off.

Again.. I'm starting to think it might be these older boxes causing the problem with 120hz panels. The TV I previously had connected to it was a 60hz panel so we never saw SOE at all.

Thanks for the detailed update....I wish I had my tv here to confirm what you are seeing but oh well...I actually had an 875 just like you do with the reon, but I retired it to my bedroom and upgraded to an 809...should have waited for the new 818..but anyway...

I was goin over in my head how I was gonna hook everything up, and was gonna do like you did...send everything to the avr and use the one arc hdmi out to the tv.....I really do think though that with video signals dirct to direct sourse with less handshaking will provide a better picture. With my other tv, I had bluray and hddvd players going to the avr, but my stb, I wired straight to the tv.

It only scaled to 1080i like yours does but I think the pic quality was best using the scaler in the stb versus using the avr. only problem for you is that the 875 does not have arc, so you have to use optical out, but I think the picture will be better and you will notice less issues going straight to the tv....

Yea, I wouldn't want to run an extra cable anyway if I was going STB -> TV, STB (opt) -> 875. I've done that in the past before I had an HDMI switching receiver. 1 more cable to think about. I'll probably replace the STBs tomorrow with the new cisco boxes anyway as I have a VZ tech coming to fix a ground loop issue their crap is causing.

The REON is actually probably the better scalar. The problem is that if you use it, you're technically using 3, whereas w/o it, you're only using 2 (TV + STB + REON vs TV + STB). More scalars = more chances to introduce artifacts, distortion and signal degradation.

With the REON disabled, all I have to wait on is a handshake and HDMI switching. Yes, there is potential loss in that as well, but it should be minimal.

Just out of curiosity. Any notice any flash lighting on this tv?

well, once I get my replacement tv, i'll have to try both stb to tv and then stb to avr and using the avr yo upconvert to 1080p. Do you see significant gains in pic quality using the scaler in the avr? Have u tried sending your cable signal straight to the tv?

Sorry for the delay but I finally got to technicians to hang the screen on my 33" extension wall bracket. Mount worked great. The display kind of floats there with enough space for STB, etc. Swings left and right in an arc to get easy acces to the back hookups. Worked great with the out of the box settings (Fios Moto. DVR, HDMI OUT to display HDMI IN.) Sound is box optical out to Sammy rec. Having trouble getting sound out of my new Panas. 3d BD player via secondary HDMI to Sammy rec HDMI in. Need to hook up STB HDMI to Sammy to see if the problem with it or if no output from new Panas. 3D BD. Here is a screen shot and room set up shot.



Having trouble with pix. If you right click link and click properties you can paste the link to your browser and see. sorry

Way cool....thanks for the heads up...I really was thinking of using the avr other then as a passthrough for my bluray/hddvd feed...but if the picture quality gains are as good as you and others are reporting, I might as well take advantage of it, as my stb only does 720p and 1080i....I can't wait to try it on my tv..thanks

lets hope the 90's dont have this much trouble shipping wise

Amen brother..Amen..

Just wanted to update everyone on my "jittering" issue. New TV came Friday from BB.....

And the verdict is......

It WAS the old TV. New TV does not exhibit ANY of the issues I was having. Exact same settings, same AVR, same cables, same DTV box.

There was definitely something not right with the first one.

But I am a VERY happy camper now.

sometimes i think your hating because you don't have a 844

flatslappy that is