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post #1801 of 3190
8/21/12 at 6:27am
Does anyone know if the LC-80LE844U implements the Lip Sync feature introduced in HDMI 1.3? My evidence so far suggests it does not, based on enabling "Auto delay" (A.DELAY setting) on my Pioneer VSX-60 receiver. I still noticed a lip sync delay on Blu-ray movies generally and the Disney WOW test specifically to test and adjust for this.

Fortunately the receiver also has a manual setting (DELAY) which seems to be effective. For my situation, setting this to 4.0 frames (which translates to about 133ms delay) seemed to do the trick.
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post #1802 of 3190
8/21/12 at 6:44am
I have noticed that when I run my HTPC at 23p and 24p that the audio sync is terrible. I have not found any way to adjust sync in the TV and also had to resort to using my receiver to correct.
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post #1803 of 3190
8/21/12 at 6:49am
Need opinions...

I received my 844 this weekend and I am very impressed, in general. It is replaceing a 70" Sharp that had very bad clouding issues, however so does the 80". It is significant enough that I can easily see the light areas on dark scenes while watching movies. It is very distracting.

Question: is it worth it to have HHGREGG send another one as a replacement or is the clouding issue just an unfortunate reality with these TV's? I am getting discouraged since both the 70 and 80 have had the same issue.
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post #1804 of 3190
8/21/12 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Here is a link for published calibration settings -
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-80LE844U-calibration.html
Anyone try these yet? I will probably try them when I get home tonight. It seems like a couple of the posted settings for backlighting just seem way to high. I've found it better closer to 0 or a little below.

Suzook, I'd be interested in your backlight settings once you get your set calibrated.

S~
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post #1805 of 3190
8/21/12 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by crazyb24 View Post

Need opinions...
I received my 844 this weekend and I am very impressed, in general. It is replaceing a 70" Sharp that had very bad clouding issues, however so does the 80". It is significant enough that I can easily see the light areas on dark scenes while watching movies. It is very distracting.
Question: is it worth it to have HHGREGG send another one as a replacement or is the clouding issue just an unfortunate reality with these TV's? I am getting discouraged since both the 70 and 80 have had the same issue.

isn't clouding one of the issues we are expected to have with full array and NO local dimming?
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post #1806 of 3190
8/21/12 at 8:52am
It seems like clouding is a major complaint on the Sharp "edge lit" threads like the 745/845/847. Several remedies have been tried with varying degrees of success, like using a paint roller. I wish Sharp would come out with some kind of statement on this clouding issue. It certainly appears that the severity of the problem varies all over the board.
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post #1807 of 3190
8/21/12 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by crazyb24 View Post

Need opinions...
I received my 844 this weekend and I am very impressed, in general. It is replaceing a 70" Sharp that had very bad clouding issues, however so does the 80". It is significant enough that I can easily see the light areas on dark scenes while watching movies. It is very distracting.
Question: is it worth it to have HHGREGG send another one as a replacement or is the clouding issue just an unfortunate reality with these TV's? I am getting discouraged since both the 70 and 80 have had the same issue.

I also had my LC-80LE844U delivered this past weekend and a few friends and I wall mounted it on Saturday. I, too, notice the clouding to one degree or another, but mostly on totally black scenes or transitions. I have not tuned the settings much yet, but perhaps some adjustments may help a bit. It seems to be a characteristic many users have reported.

The clouding seems to be easily masked by most content material, but I must admit I have not had much time to observe it yet by testing dark scenes, etc.

Other than that, the unit is flawless, e.g. no dead pixels, etc. I am certainly hanging onto mine - I would be surprised if the clouding varies from unit-to-unit much, but I may be wrong.
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post #1808 of 3190
8/21/12 at 12:06pm
Thanks Gmenzel, I feel the same way, it is largely masked by most content. Where I noticed it the most was while watching dark scenes in Pirate of the Carribean 4. It was so noticable that it was distracting. I know that some have said that they have no issues with clouding so I am trying to determine if getting another unit may solve the problem.

Also, I would be interested if you can calibrate it out once you have made your adjustments. I have tried without success.

In response to Ufokillerz... I have a 60" Sony that does not have local dimming and there are no clouding issues at all. Based on that I would have to conclude that clouding is not to be expected.
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post #1809 of 3190
8/21/12 at 12:58pm
Has anyone had installed the "light bar" behind their LED sets? cool.gif
Its appears to send out color on all four sides.
If so how do you have it set up?
Does it come with multi-colors? smile.gif
Any information would be appreciated.
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post #1810 of 3190
8/21/12 at 2:40pm
http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/21/sony-80-inch-xbr-tv-4k-resolution/

anyone see this.

30k Sony.... your smoking some good stuff
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post #1811 of 3190
8/21/12 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Here is a link for published calibration settings -
http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-80LE844U-calibration.html

I tried these settings. I found in movie mode that they used there is indeed a green push. I did not really care for it, but it wasn't the worst settings I've seen. I then tried the same settings in "Standard" mode. I like this much much better. I do find, as with other settings offered, that the higher the backlighting, the more artifacting I see. So for now, I pulled out the DVE disc and set backlighting to std. and adjusted brightness. It did end up at 0. I'll try these for a while and see how I like it. And I did end up keeping 120Hz Low.

S~
Edited by teachsac - 8/21/12 at 4:39pm
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post #1812 of 3190
8/21/12 at 4:31pm
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I tried these settings. I found in movie mode that they used there is indeed a green push. I did not really care for it, but it wasn't the worst settings I've seen. I then tried the same settings in "Standard" mode. I like this much much better. I do find, as with other settings offered, that the higher the backlighting, the more artifacting I see. So for now, I pulled out the DVE disc and set backlighting to std. and adjusted brightness. It did end up at 0. I'll try these for a while and see how I like it.
S~

I just tried it in movie mode and I do think backlight is bit high. I simply set OPC to On and that seems to work better for me. I'm not sure if this is better than Planet's setting I tweaked though. I'll try it little longer but I'm noticing greenish tint on skin tones.
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post #1813 of 3190
8/21/12 at 4:38pm
Looks much better in Standard mode.

S~
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post #1814 of 3190
8/21/12 at 5:09pm
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Looks much better in Standard mode.
S~

I tried it and I agree with you. I'll try this for a while.
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post #1815 of 3190
8/21/12 at 8:51pm
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Looks much better in Standard mode.
S~

I tried the settings in both standard and movie, and found movie to be better because the standard was just too bright. Not crazy about the settings on either mode though, does not seem crisp and lots of artifacting watching Directv. Is this an issue with Directv (or any cable provider) being blown up to 80 inches? The triple ball effect on baseball I mentioned earlier is gone (I think because motion enhancement is set to off based on my adjusting settings earlier).
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post #1816 of 3190
8/21/12 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

I tried the settings in both standard and movie, and found movie to be better because the standard was just too bright. Not crazy about the settings on either mode though, does not seem crisp and lots of artifacting watching Directv. Is this an issue with Directv (or any cable provider) being blown up to 80 inches? The triple ball effect on baseball I mentioned earlier is gone (I think because motion enhancement is set to off based on my adjusting settings earlier).

Try turning OPC to ON. This will adjust the brightness to your lighting condition automatically.

I don't know what you mean by artifacts. I'm also watch DTV and I'm not seeing anything strange with this setting. I tried it with all the picture enhancements off but prefer having 240HZ and Active Contrast to ON, Quad Pixel Plus 2 to Advanced and Film Mode to Advanced.
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post #1817 of 3190
8/21/12 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

Try turning OPC to ON. This will adjust the brightness to your lighting condition automatically.
I don't know what you mean by artifacts. I'm also watch DTV and I'm not seeing anything strange with this setting. I tried it with all the picture enhancements off but prefer having 240HZ and Active Contrast to ON, Quad Pixel Plus 2 to Advanced and Film Mode to Advanced.

Tried doing this: " 240HZ and Active Contrast to ON, Quad Pixel Plus 2 to Advanced and Film Mode" and DTV picture is sharper. But, I get the triple ball effect when a baseball is thrown. I turned motion enhancement from 240HZ to off and the triple ball effect is gone (the triple ball effect is present on 480, 240 and 120 high, but gone with motion enhancement off).
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post #1818 of 3190
8/21/12 at 10:28pm
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Tried doing this: " 240HZ and Active Contrast to ON, Quad Pixel Plus 2 to Advanced and Film Mode" and DTV picture is sharper. But, I get the triple ball effect when a baseball is thrown. I turned motion enhancement from 240HZ to off and the triple ball effect is gone (the triple ball effect is present on 480, 240 and 120 high, but gone with motion enhancement off).

Also, since engaging these features the 844U is switching to 3D mode and then immediately back to 2D mode every 15 minutes or so (I am watching 2D). Anyone else had this problem? I discussed an earlier problem with the Directv HR34 and the 844U switching from 3D to 2D modes. Anyone else using the DTV HR34 receiver with the 844U and having 2D/3D mode problems?
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post #1819 of 3190
8/21/12 at 10:41pm
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Also, since engaging these features the 844U is switching to 3D mode and then immediately back to 2D mode every 15 minutes or so (I am watching 2D). Anyone else had this problem? I discussed an earlier problem with the Directv HR34 and the 844U switching from 3D to 2D modes. Anyone else using the DTV HR34 receiver with the 844U and having 2D/3D mode problems?

I have HR34 but I have not seen this issue with switching back to 2D from 3D after every 15 minutes. Mine stays in 3D until I turn it off. I've seen it where you go from 3D channel to 2D channel on DTV and TV has issues switching back. I either click the 3D button on remote to turn it off explicitly or sometimes I've had to turn the TV off and on again.
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post #1820 of 3190
8/21/12 at 10:52pm
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I have HR34 but I have not seen this issue with switching back to 2D from 3D after every 15 minutes. Mine stays in 3D until I turn it off. I've seen it where you go from 3D channel to 2D channel on DTV and TV has issues switching back. I either click the 3D button on remote to turn it off explicitly or sometimes I've had to turn the TV off and on again.

Ok, thanks. What I was just experiencing was when watching 2D the 844U engages 3D mode for a second and then switches back to 2D. After playing with the 844U a bit when I got it I determined that when using the DTV HR34 and watching a 3D DTV channel on the 844U you need to turn from a 3D channel to a 2D channel broadcast in 720P (e.g., ESPN channel 206) and not a 2D channel broadcast in 1080i (e.g., CNN channel 202) for the 844U to automatically and properly switch from 3D mode to 2D mode. You should also have the HR34 set to native channels.
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post #1821 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:00pm
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Looks much better in Standard mode.
S~

I think I have a setting that works better than one I was using and new one is based on http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-80LE844U-calibration.html settings and using standard mode as you suggested.

Based on my viewing so far it gives little better color accuracy with little bit more pop to the picture than setting I was using.
Below are my tweaks.

AV Mode: Standard
OPC: ON
Backlight: +10
Color: 0
Motion Enhancement: 240Hz
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Advanced
Active Contrast: ON
Film Mode: Advanced
Digital Noise Reduction: Auto
Edited by SonyHome - 8/21/12 at 11:05pm
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post #1822 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:10pm
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Ok, thanks. What I was just experiencing was when watching 2D the 844U engages 3D mode for a second and then switches back to 2D. After playing with the 844U a bit when I got it I determined that when using the DTV HR34 and watching a 3D DTV channel on the 844U you need to turn from a 3D channel to a 2D channel broadcast in 720P (e.g., ESPN channel 206) and not a 2D channel broadcast in 1080i (e.g., CNN channel 202) for the 844U to automatically and properly switch from 3D mode to 2D mode. You should also have the HR34 set to native channels.

Thanks for sharing that info but I prefer to have Native to Off on HR34.
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post #1823 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

I think I have a setting that works better than one I was using and new one is based on http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-80LE844U-calibration.html settings and using standard mode as you suggested.
Based on my viewing so far it gives little better color accuracy with little bit more pop to the picture than setting I was using.
Below are my tweaks.
AV Mode: Standard
OPC: ON
Backlight: +10
Color: 0
Motion Enhancement: 240Hz
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Advanced
Active Contrast: ON
Film Mode: Advanced
Digital Noise Reduction: Auto

What brightness level?
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post #1824 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

Thanks for sharing that info but I prefer to have Native to Off on HR34.

Do you set the HR34 to 720P then? If so that should be a work around for the problem you are experiencing when switching from 3D channels on DTV to 2D channels. If you have the HR34 set to 1080i and Native to Off then, based on my experience, the 844U will not properly change from 3D channels on DTV using the HR34 to 2D channels.
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post #1825 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Do you set the HR34 to 720P then? If so that should be a work around for the problem you are experiencing when switching from 3D channels on DTV to 2D channels. If you have the HR34 set to 1080i and Native to Off then, based on my experience, the 844U will not properly change from 3D channels on DTV using the HR34 to 2D channels.

I do set it to 1080i.

As I stated earlier I turn off the 3D mode explicitly using the remote 3D button or if that doesn't work I turn the TV on than back on. I think Sharp needs to update their firmware to handle this more reliably.
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post #1826 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:25pm
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What brightness level?

I left that to what was in the article. I only listed things that I tweaked. If you want to compare I believe my previous setting is posted in page ~52.
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post #1827 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:26pm
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I do set it to 1080i.
As I stated earlier I turn off the 3D mode explicitly using the remote 3D button or if that doesn't work I turn the TV on than back on. I think Sharp needs to update their firmware to handle this more reliably.

Yeah, it is a 844U issue that Sharp needs to address via firmware because when I was using the 735U with the HR34 I did not have this problem. Have you or anyone you know contacted Sharp to notify them of this issue?
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post #1828 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:33pm
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Originally Posted by Suzook View Post

http://www.bgr.com/2012/08/21/sony-80-inch-xbr-tv-4k-resolution/
anyone see this.
30k Sony.... your smoking some good stuff

I love Sony TVs but that price is way out there. I remember they used to have 70" lcd few years back that had similar price.

Do you have any new settings to share for 844u yet? rolleyes.gif
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post #1829 of 3190
8/21/12 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by twarman17 View Post

Yeah, it is a 844U issue that Sharp needs to address via firmware because when I was using the 735U with the HR34 I did not have this problem. Have you or anyone you know contacted Sharp to notify them of this issue?

I did not call Sharp with this issue because I had a work around. I've only seen two firmware update since I've had this (~3.5 months) so Sharp doesn't update this firmware very frequently.

I also think their label of 240hz motion enhancement isn't accurate since this is native 240hz panel. Term AquoMotion is generally used to indicate fake motion enhancement (i.e AquoMotion 480).
Edited by SonyHome - 8/21/12 at 11:58pm
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post #1830 of 3190
8/22/12 at 7:19am
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Hi Bill, I'm in the same boat. I have the 844 and my provider is Shaw. I have the old Motorola 6412. Does what you said means that I won't see any improvements even if I upgrade to Shaw's newest DVR? Will Telus OptikTV provide better HD? Thanks.
Sue
Hi Sue,
The pix I showed were taken using the fairly new Motorola DCX3400. It is a great DVR that runs very cool and efficient compared to the old 6412 series. Quaility however, is no better with Mpeg2 content.
I'm almost certain that Telus Optik is using Mpeg4 to transmit all their hi-def content so there is the potential for better quality with fewer artifacts. The downside is that Telus doesn't have the total bandwidth that Shaw has so the improvement may not be as great as it could be. Of course, it also hinges on the original feed that they may decode and re-compress (which I'm fairly sure the NBC Olympic feed was that I was griping about) so that could decrease potential quality also. I don't know what bit rates they are allocating for their content either but if it's 4 or 5 megabits average I'm pretty sure that would look better than the Mpeg2 we're watching now.
Having said all that, it is only fair to also say that some Shaw content can look really good. It's only when there is too much motion or rapid scene changes that the Mpeg2 fall apart pretty quickly. Think CSI Miami for instance. It looked great some of the time but there was lots and lots of macro-blocking during the action scenes. Try pausing your DVR during some action scenes and you see what I mean.
Have you seen the review in latest issue of Sound & Vision. They really give the set bad marks and speak specifically about the problems with artifacts on all source except Blu-ray.
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