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post #2701 of 3622
Still not there yet eek.gif Like I said, my 75ES9000 is good, really good, but for the large price-tag I don't think I should have to live with the flashlighting on the corners. I have one of the new Panasonic 65ZT60's on pre-order, and it kind of bugs me that I have to give up so many inches to get the PQ I am looking for. For a room with a normal/reasonable amount of ambient light the 80LE844U hits a very good price/value point compared to a lot of other tv's.

With the Elites being out of production, maybe Sharp could release the 945's this year, although I haven't heard anything about that. It would just be nice if they put out bigger panels with the PQ they have proven they are capable of with the Elite.
Edited by pred1973 - 2/17/13 at 9:55am
post #2702 of 3622
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

... It would just be nice if they put out bigger panels with the PQ they have proven they are capable of with the Elite.

Amen to that!

Unfortunately, I don't think this is going to happen any time soon. There just aren't enough people out there willing to shell out the big bucks for a large premium panel these days. The fact that there is nobody currently making a full array local dimming set larger than 65" proves this. Unfortunately, it looks like people who want a 70+ inch screen but don't want to sacrifice PQ are going to have to wait for OLED or some other technology.
post #2703 of 3622
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Originally Posted by pred1973 View Post

Still not there yet eek.gif Like I said, my 75ES9000 is good, really good, but for the large price-tag I don't think I should have to live with the flashlighting on the corners. I have one of the new Panasonic 65ZT60's on pre-order, and it kind of bugs me that I have to give up so many inches to get the PQ I am looking for. For a room with a normal/reasonable amount of ambient light the 80LE844U hits a very good price/value point compared to a lot of other tv's.

With the Elites being out of production, maybe Sharp could release the 945's this year, although I haven't heard anything about that. It would just be nice if they put out bigger panels with the PQ they have proven they are capable of with the Elite.

As an owner of the 80-632U as well as the previous owner of 10 other LCD's including the Vizio 551VXT with local zone dimming, I feel qualified to make a few general comments on black levels and motion artifacts.
I've been a videophile since the early 80's when I bought my first 19" RCA TV monitor with 330 lines of rated resolution.
Firstly, I am quite content with the black levels I've achieved with my present 80-632U set, even compared directly with its predecessor - the local zone dimming Vizio 551.
Yes, if you watch an LCD set in total or near darkness the black levels will not be very satisfying in some dark scenes. So, I always have a little subdued lighting in my room. That serves to darken black areas and makes for a less stressful viewing experience on the eyes.
IF YOU WATCH TV IN A WELL LIT ROOM (AND SOME OF US DO!) THEN LCD'S - ALL OF THEM.......... HAVE FABULOUS BLACKS!
Some people seem to home in on only one of the factors that determine overall viewing experience and for some, it's the never ending search for the ultimate black levels. It really isn't that big a deal for the vast majority of us. An honest 4000:1 ratio is very satisfying and subjectively BETTER than what you get at a typical movie theater.
It reminds me of my youth searching for lower and lower hiss levels and working my way through Dolby A, B, C and DBX on my audio recording equipment. After a while it didn't really matter but I kept looking.

As far a motion trailing and blurring I would refer you to the following article by Dr. Raymond Soneira, the president of Displaymate - http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Response_Time_ShootOut.htm.
A fascinating and eye-opening article that should rankle a few people........

My own personal test on my sets, has been to turn off all motion enhancements, freeze frame an area where I perceived blurring or trailing artifacts, and invariably, the blur was still there in the frozen frame. In fact, anything that is shot on 35mm film at 24 fps has an incredible amount of motion blur so much so that everything else is inconsequential. That is actually a good thing because without all that blur, you would see a very stuttery presentation due to the low frame rate.

The ONLY ONLY time where I could consistently ascribe motion blur on the LCD set has been with digitally inserted rapidly scrolling titles at the end of some TV shows. That is understandable and totally irrelevant for judging actual video/film content.

To me, what's REALLY important, and the reason I stand up for and enjoy these large Sharp beasts immensely is simply because they have the overall best viewing experience for me, so far. Here's what I like about them:

Large enveloping screen with 1080P pixel by pixel sharpness
Great color with lots of POP
Satisfying black levels alongside very bright highlights - E.g. city skyline at night...
Very clean consistent illumination with NO BLEEDING BACK-LIGHT, NO SOE and ZERO CLOUDING - that to me is the real BIGGIE and the only set of 11 I've had that that is essentially perfect in this area!!! None of the other sets even come close.

My only real criticism of this set is that off-angle viewing quality diminishes very quickly compared to my LG and Vizio IPS screens. Not a biggie but something to keep in mind if you're gonna have 10 - 15 people over to watch an event.
Edited by billdag - 2/17/13 at 3:48pm
post #2704 of 3622
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

As an owner of the 80-632U as well as the previous owner of 10 other LCD's including the Vizio 551VXT with local zone dimming, I feel qualified to make a few general comments on black levels and motion artifacts.
I've been a videophile since the early 80's when I bought my first 19" RCA TV monitor with 330 lines of rated resolution.
Firstly, I am quite content with the black levels I've achieved with my present 80-632U set, even compared directly with its predecessor - the local zone dimming Vizio 551.
Yes, if you watch an LCD set in total or near darkness the black levels will not be very satisfying in some dark scenes. So, I always have a little subdued lighting in my room. That serves to darken black areas and makes for a less stressful viewing experience on the eyes.
IF YOU WATCH TV IN A WELL LIT ROOM (AND SOME OF US DO!) THEN LCD'S - ALL OF THEM.......... HAVE FABULOUS BLACKS!
Some people seem to home in on only one of the factors that determine overall viewing experience and for some, it's the never ending search for the ultimate black levels. It really isn't that big a deal for the vast majority of us. An honest 4000:1 ratio is very satisfying and subjectively BETTER than what you get at a typical movie theater.
It reminds me of my youth searching for lower and lower hiss levels and working my way through Dolby A, B, C and DBX on my audio recording equipment. After a while it didn't really matter but I kept looking.

As far a motion trailing and blurring I would refer you to the following article by Dr. Raymond Soneira, the president of Displaymate - http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Response_Time_ShootOut.htm.
A fascinating and eye-opening article that should rankle a few people........

My own personal test on my sets, has been to turn off all motion enhancements, freeze frame an area where I perceived blurring or trailing artifacts, and invariably, the blur was still there in the frozen frame. In fact, anything that is shot on 35mm film at 24 fps has an incredible amount of motion blur so much so that everything else is inconsequential. That is actually a good thing because without all that blur, you would see a very stuttery presentation due to the low frame rate.

The ONLY ONLY time where I could consistently ascribe motion blur on the LCD set has been with digitally inserted rapidly scrolling titles at the end of some TV shows. That is understandable and totally irrelevant for judging actual video/film content.

To me, what's REALLY important, and the reason I stand up for and enjoy these large Sharp beasts immensely is simply because they have the overall best viewing experience for me, so far. Here's what I like about them:

Large enveloping screen with 1080P pixel by pixel sharpness
Great color with lots of POP
Satisfying black levels alongside very bright highlights - E.g. city skyline at night...
Very clean consistent illumination with NO BLEEDING BACK-LIGHT, NO SOE and ZERO CLOUDING - that to me is the real BIGGIE and the only set of 11 I've had that that is essentially perfect in this area!!! None of the other sets even come close.

My only real criticism of this set is that off-angle viewing quality diminishes very quickly compared to my LG and Vizio IPS screens. Not a biggie but something to keep in mind if you're gonna have 10 - 15 people over to watch an event.

Yeah what he said :-)

Seriously billdag hits it right on the head.
post #2705 of 3622
Have searched the thread and read the last 10 or so pages, but have a few questions:

- Anyone coming from or familiar with Mitsubishi Laservues? If so, what is your impression or comparison between that and the 844U?

- Can someone please confirm that the current 844U is indeed 'full array'? I've managed to get confused with the two 80" offerings and talk of the new models...

- I will absolutely be getting pro calibration done once break-in is complete, but for now was looking at suggested settings to hold me over. There is an excel file mentioned in a few places which I believe to be a consolidation of user settings, but I can't find it...can someone point me in the right direction?

I am coming over from many years of RPtvs, most recently the L75-A94. After many warranty issues and multiple replacements with Mitsubishi though, the warranty company is instead offering to buy me out and put me in a comparable TV. Given cost/size considerations (don't want to go smaller or too much over in cost), the 844U is a top contender for me but just want to make an informed decision. Thanks!
post #2706 of 3622
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Originally Posted by SJCoruja View Post

Have searched the thread and read the last 10 or so pages, but have a few questions:

- Anyone coming from or familiar with Mitsubishi Laservues? If so, what is your impression or comparison between that and the 844U?

- Can someone please confirm that the current 844U is indeed 'full array'? I've managed to get confused with the two 80" offerings and talk of the new models...

- I will absolutely be getting pro calibration done once break-in is complete, but for now was looking at suggested settings to hold me over. There is an excel file mentioned in a few places which I believe to be a consolidation of user settings, but I can't find it...can someone point me in the right direction?

I am coming over from many years of RPtvs, most recently the L75-A94. After many warranty issues and multiple replacements with Mitsubishi though, the warranty company is instead offering to buy me out and put me in a comparable TV. Given cost/size considerations (don't want to go smaller or too much over in cost), the 844U is a top contender for me but just want to make an informed decision. Thanks!

Hi SJC,

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I have the Laservue L75-A91; a little more than 2 years old and it looks like the light engine is going; the colors on the screen are pulsating from green to red.

My girlfriend and I were in BB this weekend and looked at the Samsung 75es9000 and the Sharp 80le844u. We both liked the Samsung picture better, but it was not $4K better than the Sharp. Plus the Sharp is 5+" bigger, lol. The 90 incher looked fabulous, but too big for my room.

I have not decided to buy the 844 now or wait until the newer models which should be out in a few months. I might also want to look at the new Samsung models when they arrive.

Peace.
post #2707 of 3622
All I can say after getting the Sharp 884u home and made some well needed adjustments to it, the picture looks vastly better than it did in Best Buy. I have Samsung products and like those TVs very much. I know a good picture and this TV has it bottom line. I don't know anyone here and have no desire to push something that didn't impress me on others that I didn't see in action. I can sit in front of this TV and not feel for a second that I made a bad purchase and will have no regrets even if newer lines add new features. This TV will hold me for at lest 5 years until the 4k or other such tv lines mature and come down to reasonable price points. No one is asking my opinion, but I will give it. For the price point and size and quality of picture I am very happy. Get the warranty thru Sharp. Much cheaper... Good luck with your purchase decision...
post #2708 of 3622
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Originally Posted by darynm View Post

All I can say after getting the Sharp 884u home and made some well needed adjustments to it, the picture looks vastly better than it did in Best Buy. I have Samsung products and like those TVs very much. I know a good picture and this TV has it bottom line. I don't know anyone here and have no desire to push something that didn't impress me on others that I didn't see in action. I can sit in front of this TV and not feel for a second that I made a bad purchase and will have no regrets even if newer lines add new features. This TV will hold me for at lest 5 years until the 4k or other such tv lines mature and come down to reasonable price points. No one is asking my opinion, but I will give it. For the price point and size and quality of picture I am very happy. Get the warranty thru Sharp. Much cheaper... Good luck with your purchase decision...

What Warranty through Sharp?
post #2709 of 3622
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Originally Posted by darynm View Post

All I can say after getting the Sharp 884u home and made some well needed adjustments to it, the picture looks vastly better than it did in Best Buy. I have Samsung products and like those TVs very much. I know a good picture and this TV has it bottom line. I don't know anyone here and have no desire to push something that didn't impress me on others that I didn't see in action. I can sit in front of this TV and not feel for a second that I made a bad purchase and will have no regrets even if newer lines add new features. This TV will hold me for at lest 5 years until the 4k or other such tv lines mature and come down to reasonable price points. No one is asking my opinion, but I will give it. For the price point and size and quality of picture I am very happy. Get the warranty thru Sharp. Much cheaper... Good luck with your purchase decision...

Thanks for the feedback!

At this point I'm strongly leaning towards this set. I have been going back and forth between this and the 75" Samsung, but I'm finding it very hard to justify paying nearly double for the Samsung, which is not only 5" smaller, but still has some issues. The Sharp seems like a good compromise between size, overall picture quality and price. It took a lot of soul searching, but I've finally come to the realization that the set I want doesn't currently exist. Ideally, I'd like something that is 75-80 inches that can equal the picture on my last generation 60" Elite KURO. Unfortunately, this just isn't happening right now. The technology exists, but for whatever reason, the manufacturers simply aren't putting their best tech in the largest panels.
post #2710 of 3622
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Originally Posted by mkerdman View Post

What Warranty through Sharp?

You can purchase an extended warranty thru sharp which is half the price if not more than such stores as best buy. If you call within the first 30 days of purchase. Under 5K purchase price is 219.00 for warranty.If you buy a best buy and the tv gets replaced, you have to purchase the warranty again. I was told with sharp you would not have to do this.
post #2711 of 3622
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Thanks for the feedback!

At this point I'm strongly leaning towards this set. I have been going back and forth between this and the 75" Samsung, but I'm finding it very hard to justify paying nearly double for the Samsung, which is not only 5" smaller, but still has some issues. The Sharp seems like a good compromise between size, overall picture quality and price. It took a lot of soul searching, but I've finally come to the realization that the set I want doesn't currently exist. Ideally, I'd like something that is 75-80 inches that can equal the picture on my last generation 60" Elite KURO. Unfortunately, this just isn't happening right now. The technology exists, but for whatever reason, the manufacturers simply aren't putting their best tech in the largest panels.

That is why I chose the Sharp. I love the size and i'm telling you bluray is amazing on it. I fear what manufactures will do with sets in the future is cut on quality because of the low profitably on TVs
post #2712 of 3622
On a different subject, I bought a couple a different Sharp 3D glasses to try out, Sharp AN3DG20B 3D and AN3DG30. They work well. I am looking for a cheaper alternative for guests, does anybody has any experience with off brand 3d glasses with work well this Sharp LC-80LE844U? I only have 2 3D channels on Comcast, ESPN 3D and Xfinity 3D. I was told CBS broadcasts the March Madness in 3D, is that right?smile.gif
post #2713 of 3622
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Originally Posted by chanc View Post

On a different subject, I bought a couple a different Sharp 3D glasses to try out, Sharp AN3DG20B 3D and AN3DG30. They work well. I am looking for a cheaper alternative for guests, does anybody has any experience with off brand 3d glasses with work well this Sharp LC-80LE844U? I only have 2 3D channels on Comcast, ESPN 3D and Xfinity 3D. I was told CBS broadcasts the March Madness in 3D, is that right?smile.gif

I ordered 2 of the g20b's from Amazon when I bought my TV last year. I also bought 2 pairs of I-treks as well, and I think they are awesome with great 3d quality. I actually like the fit of them better then the sharp brand...

Check them out below..Cheap 2...


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QDYLEI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
post #2714 of 3622
Just ordered from Amazon. Hope they work OK. Thank you.
post #2715 of 3622
Keep us informed -- I wonder how long the original equipment pairs will last. So far, so good, after a couple dozen movies...
post #2716 of 3622
I have a quick question - how high off the floor do you guys have your 80"? My space dictates that the base of my set will be 32" from the floor. Is this too high to use a flat wall mount?
Thanks,
Jason
post #2717 of 3622
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Waterloo 360T View Post

I have a quick question - how high off the floor do you guys have your 80"? My space dictates that the base of my set will be 32" from the floor. Is this too high to use a flat wall mount?
Thanks,
Jason
get a tilt mount then you will not have to worry about it as you can fine tune , mine is 32 " off the floor & slightly tilted down
added bonus is a slight tilt helps with glare from lights behind the seating positions
post #2718 of 3622
Thanks Fast, any chance you could post a couple of pictures of yours? Front and side?
post #2719 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Nomad110 View Post

Hey guys,

So I just had this tv delivered from Best Buy and I love it to death. They told me I had to wait a couple weeks for the TV to burn in properly before I can have it calibrated. I have some issues though and I hope that someone here can help me out.

My primary source of video is my 3rd gen 1080p Apple TV. I am noticing occasional image stuttering that I never noticed on my previous TV which was a 60 hz 65" Sharp that was about 3 years old. At first I thought it was my terribly old and cheap HDMI cables so I went the radio shack and bought the most expensive "high speed" HDMI cable that was rated to 600 hz. It didn't solve the problem at all and honestly I don't see a difference. I have played around with the motion control settings and it seems that it is best improved in the "off" setting. The other settings seem to make it worse. It also only seems to stutter the most when the camera pans across the entire scene and the entire background is moving. I have to admit I haven't seen the issue with Direct TV but that is 1080i. Is there anything else I should try?

Has anyone who has this problem found a solution? I see occasional stuttering in the video with both a second and third generation Apple TV. No setting, including turning off all motion enhancement or using game mode, corrects this. It never occurred on the Sony GWII the Sharp replaced.

The TV is great, except for the terrible motion processing. With most sources, turning off all the motion enhancement has solved this, however for a few movies on Comcast cable, I have had to turn on film mode to correct video glitches and SOE.
post #2720 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Waterloo 360T View Post

I have a quick question - how high off the floor do you guys have your 80"? My space dictates that the base of my set will be 32" from the floor. Is this too high to use a flat wall mount?
Thanks,
Jason
Mine is 36 inches off the ground, slightly tilted down.
post #2721 of 3622
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Originally Posted by jbaraga View Post

Has anyone who has this problem found a solution? I see occasional stuttering in the video with both a second and third generation Apple TV. No setting, including turning off all motion enhancement or using game mode, corrects this. It never occurred on the Sony GWII the Sharp replaced.

The TV is great, except for the terrible motion processing. With most sources, turning off all the motion enhancement has solved this, however for a few movies on Comcast cable, I have had to turn on film mode to correct video glitches and SOE.
I have no such problems with Apple TV. I do not use any motion enhancement. I use wired internet not wireless. Are you sure it is isn't your internet connection?
post #2722 of 3622
The apple TV content is primarily served from locally stored video on a mac mini running itunes. All wired connections. I do not have the same problem with additional Apple TVs on the same network connected to other LCD TVs. I did not have this problem with the Sony GWII that was previously connected to the same Apple TV, with the same set up and content.
post #2723 of 3622
Does the Sharp-Aquos-LC-80LE844U have (A) MHL Mobile High-Definition Link and (B) WiDi Intel® Wireless Display compatibility built in?

Thanks in advance.
post #2724 of 3622
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Originally Posted by mkerdman View Post

Does the Sharp-Aquos-LC-80LE844U have (A) MHL Mobile High-Definition Link and (B) WiDi Intel® Wireless Display compatibility built in?

Thanks in advance.

no
post #2725 of 3622
The only TV's I found with, "(B) WiDi Intel® Wireless Display compatibility built in", are the LG Brand.

Not sure if any have MHL.
post #2726 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Sir_Mark View Post

Hi SJC,

I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. I have the Laservue L75-A91; a little more than 2 years old and it looks like the light engine is going; the colors on the screen are pulsating from green to red.

My girlfriend and I were in BB this weekend and looked at the Samsung 75es9000 and the Sharp 80le844u. We both liked the Samsung picture better, but it was not $4K better than the Sharp. Plus the Sharp is 5+" bigger, lol. The 90 incher looked fabulous, but too big for my room.

I have not decided to buy the 844 now or wait until the newer models which should be out in a few months. I might also want to look at the new Samsung models when they arrive.

Peace.


Well, choice made and so far VERY happy! Initial impressions are spot on with a lot of the feedback already in this thread...looks really good with some tweaking of the settings (still haven't found that excel file mentioned, more reading later), blu ray looks amazing but lower quality sources such as TV really show their lower quality, etc. So far gaming has been fine but haven't really put it to the test. I'll put more details in the laservue thread once I do some more tweaking and serious viewing, but my quick comparison is that the LV had the better image/detail. That said, so far I really prefer the image on the 844U. I think part of that LV clarity was due to the screen which I do no t miss at all...great at night, but incredibly reflective during the day. The 844U has an amazing image day or night, and I'm not distracted my by mirror image on the screen. wink.gif I also am not missing the fan noise, artifact issues, or that ridiculous boot up time.

Please keep in mind though that mine was an exchange not a purchase, so I imagine if I had paid out of pocket for this I'd be much more critical in comparison. If there's anything specific you want me to check for, let me know!



post #2727 of 3622
Nice!
post #2728 of 3622
Any more feedback from people on 3d glasses? Seems like the stock G20Bs are good but expensive, and saw a couple posts about the G30s and the iTreks. Any more comparisons? What about the 3active ones? Looking for which will have the best/clearest 3d picture quality as first priority, comfort second, and then price third.

Here's the links for info based on the posts I saw...

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-AN3DG20B-3D-Glasses-Black-Single/dp/B005JABSB6/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8&colid=36J0126R7PI1A&coliid=IA87C2295HJG9

http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-AN3DG30-Active-3D-Glasses/dp/B009LDVUS8/ref=pd_sim_e_2

http://www.amazon.com/GBSG03-JP-iTrek-Active-Shutter-Glasses/dp/B004QDYLEI/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=36J0126R7PI1A&coliid=IWGDB91D4UHTW

http://www.amazon.com/3ACTIVE-A1S01257GD5-3ACTIVE-SHARP-Compatible-Glasses-Rechargeable/dp/B006JDCWJ4/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8&colid=36J0126R7PI1A&coliid=I8RHXW4MSACVA
post #2729 of 3622
I use the G20 and the XpanD Universal (battery powered). I prefer the XpanD because of comfort and they keep sync better if I tilt my head at all, lean back, etc.

S~
post #2730 of 3622
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

I use the G20 and the XpanD Universal (battery powered). I prefer the XpanD because of comfort and they keep sync better if I tilt my head at all, lean back, etc.

S~

Do you mean this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Xpand-Multibrand-Glasses-single-pack/dp/B00462RMS6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361925517&sr=8-1&keywords=xpand+universal+3d+glasses

You are saying this is compatible with the LC-80E844U? Thanks.
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