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post #3181 of 3622
Chad's great. Once calibrated, this really is a very nice set, especially for one this big. There is a definite green push, as Chad probably went through with you, that can be tamed to the point where it is slightly noticable in the test patterns, but not really noticable during real world viewing. Now you can sit back and enjoy biggrin.gif

S~
post #3182 of 3622
+1 to all of Jahan's comments. (Thanks for sharing, Jahan.) This should be an especially good lesson to those who still think that you have a good chance of getting good picture quality by sharing settings. You really can't. Each unit is a little different than the rest. At a bare minimum, you need to get a calibration disk (Disney WOW, S&M, etc.). A much better plan, especially for the 844, is to get someone qualified like Chad B.

I'm very happy with my 844, but relative to other top tier sets, the 844 REALLY needs a proper calibration to get accurate colors and the rest of the picture quality right.

The other lesson out of all this is that IMO, the only (easily) user accessible mode worth using for reasonably ACCURATE viewing on the 844 is MOVIE mode. Other than the ISF modes, MOVIE is the only mode that gives access to all the advanced/detailed settings.

For those of you who prefer the DYNAMIC modes, or the out-of-the-box STANDARD mode, there's of course nothing wrong with that (beauty is in the eye of the beholder). However, realize that those are nowhere close to being accurate. If you can, you owe it to yourself to watch a favorite blu-ray movie on an accurate display. You might find that you appreciate and enjoy all the added detail in the bright and dark scenes (rather than having that detail crushed/eliminated by DYNAMIC or STANDARD), and the colors that are much closer to the real world (rather than the hyped color levels and inaccurate hues in DYNAMIC & STANDARD).
post #3183 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Jahan View Post

I just had Chad B here to calibrate my 844. Many people have noted that this set will never render colors 100% accurately, and mine was no different. After many hours of trying different settings that I had found online and going through my DVE disc over and over, I finally took the plunge and brought in an expert.

Sure enough, his measurements revealed that my white balance and color accuracy was pretty far off. After about an hour of set-up and 2-3 hours of work, Chad had brought my set MUCH closer to the ideal. He did a full calibration for an ISF night and day mode, as well as a 3D mode, and did a quick adjustment of game mode to correct the colors. This display has some inherent issues that are not really fixable, but Chad made some huge improvements to the white balance, Gamut, and color accuracy across the board. The first thing he did after checking the test patterns and reference images was turn on ESPN . . . I was pretty shocked at how much smoother, deeper, and more natural the picture looked. That was the case for pretty much every HD channel, regardless of the signal quality. The difference was pretty impressive. Blu-ray through my PS3 showed a similar improvement, but I've only watched a couple scenes from TDKR and some concert blurays so far (he literally JUST left). I'll definitely be spending more time with it this week, re-watching some of my favorite blurays.

Chad was on-time to the minute and very friendly, explaining things to me every step of the way, and making sure to get everything right before moving on. He spent some time on my audio system as well, helping to improve speaker placement, re-doing the Audessy calibration, and tweaking the sub levels a bit . . . it wasn't the full Audessy Pro calibration, but it brought the sound to life and smoothed out the bass response in my room quite a bit. I'll be stepping up to an Audessy Pro capable receiver in the near future, and I'll probably have him back to set that up as well.

I've had mixed feelings about the IQ of this set since I bought it, but I think I"ll be pretty happy with it now.

Would you mind to elaborate how Calibration improved smoothness?
What got much smoother?
I'm not sure I understand it.

Any chance you can share or even PM me resulting charts? Please.

Thanks.
post #3184 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Ski_EX5 View Post

+1 to all of Jahan's comments. (Thanks for sharing, Jahan.) This should be an especially good lesson to those who still think that you have a good chance of getting good picture quality by sharing settings. You really can't. Each unit is a little different than the rest. At a bare minimum, you need to get a calibration disk (Disney WOW, S&M, etc.). A much better plan, especially for the 844, is to get someone qualified like Chad B.

I'm very happy with my 844, but relative to other top tier sets, the 844 REALLY needs a proper calibration to get accurate colors and the rest of the picture quality right.

The other lesson out of all this is that IMO, the only (easily) user accessible mode worth using for reasonably ACCURATE viewing on the 844 is MOVIE mode. Other than the ISF modes, MOVIE is the only mode that gives access to all the advanced/detailed settings.

For those of you who prefer the DYNAMIC modes, or the out-of-the-box STANDARD mode, there's of course nothing wrong with that (beauty is in the eye of the beholder). However, realize that those are nowhere close to being accurate. If you can, you owe it to yourself to watch a favorite blu-ray movie on an accurate display. You might find that you appreciate and enjoy all the added detail in the bright and dark scenes (rather than having that detail crushed/eliminated by DYNAMIC or STANDARD), and the colors that are much closer to the real world (rather than the hyped color levels and inaccurate hues in DYNAMIC & STANDARD).

I wish someone could do a before and after picture/video on this. I have been using tweaked setting from http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-80LE844U-calibration.html and I have no major issues or complaints with it. I'm sure there could be room for improvements but my question is will the improvement be that big that you would notice it or make that big of an impact? If difference is that much I would like someone to help show this via a picture or video.
post #3185 of 3622
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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

I wish someone could do a before and after picture/video on this. I have been using tweaked setting from http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-80LE844U-calibration.html and I have no major issues or complaints with it. I'm sure there could be room for improvements but my question is will the improvement be that big that you would notice it or make that big of an impact? If difference is that much I would like someone to help show this via a picture or video.
Hehehe... Those are the exact settings my customer this morning was using on his 844u! It was a huge improvement! Not subtle at all. He was happy with those settings also (before calibration), but I think he was surprised at the improvement.
post #3186 of 3622
A before and after pic would help let us know what to expect.

My one projector calibration left my picture very dull. It is not just my opinion but everyone with whom I show it too.
post #3187 of 3622
I tried to take before and after calibration pics years ago, but they were an utter failure.

Screen shots present a lot of problems. They will usually be viewed on an uncalibrated computer monitor, so whichever shot compliments the inaccuracies in the computer monitor is going to look better. Even if the monitor is calibrated, as my laptop is, it still has color inaccuracies: in my laptop's case, the color points don't get even close to rec 709 color points, even though grayscale and gamma are calibrated.

Then there are the camera settings and inaccuracies to consider.

For those screen shots I tried to take, I used a Canon digital Rebel, a state of the art camera at the time. Differences that were plainly visible by eye did not show up at all in the pics, presumably to auto-exposure and other settings in the camera. Iphone cameras are similar. Maybe if someone's a pro or semi pro photographer they can overcome this, but an average user most likely will not.
post #3188 of 3622
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Originally Posted by King Titus View Post

My one projector calibration left my picture very dull. It is not just my opinion but everyone with whom I show it too.

This is normal from perfect calibration to get dull - IMHO.
1. Current calibration in general targets to get 16-235 range on gray and this is what makes result dull.
2. However, calibration also addresses correct color (saturation, tint) to make skin tone displayed correctly - faces should not be red or pink or green or blue, but natural.

The #1 is trade of between near black and near white details vs "pop" effect and this also very subjective.
In simple - reduce output range to 30 - 200 and you'll see better "pop", but blacks and whites will be crushed.
This "range" is dynamic range based on photography. However, in photography picture is static and in digital post processing people will reduce on one side on even on both sides that range to get the "pop", also remap to "S" shape to emphasize specific areas.

But, I have no idea how to apply the same technics to video to avoid flashing.

Try to reduce color to get B/W or just switch into B/W mode in menu.
Pause on to some frame you like the most.
Write down contrast, brightness and backlight curent values
Make changes to contrast, brightness and backlight to get "pop" you like the most on B/W
Return in to color mode.
resume and take a look at your results.
Play 16-235 test pattern and look at how many bars you can see in blacks and whites.

Make sense?
post #3189 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Hehehe... Those are the exact settings my customer this morning was using on his 844u! It was a huge improvement! Not subtle at all. He was happy with those settings also (before calibration), but I think he was surprised at the improvement.

I started from there but I'm using tweaked version. I was using the out of box Standard and User modes and what I noticed the most when trying the setting in the link was that color looked better than the out of box Standard and User modes. Again to my eyes I really like my current setting but I usually only try to watch HD material on this set.
post #3190 of 3622
Does anyone has chad's email?
post #3191 of 3622
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Originally Posted by ambasnakeman View Post

Does anyone has chad's email?

You can send him a PM via this froum. His user name is Chad B.

You can also contact him via his website http://hdtvbychadb.com/contact
post #3192 of 3622
I've got a dilemma and I hope this forum can help. I ordered an 857u for my 40th Birthday and I was extremely excited for its arrival. As fate wold have it my girlfriend knew I wanted an 80inch Sharp so she purchased an 844u without my knowledge. The issue here is not the cost but the better product so I'm asking if faced with th same dilemma which would you keep. I read the forum and I'm trying to keep up with back-lit vs edge-lit and 3D quality. In the end I just want the TV that will look the best on the stand and not on the wall. What is the difference in the two that would sway me in one direction.
post #3193 of 3622
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philherbusta View Post

I've got a dilemma and I hope this forum can help. I ordered an 857u for my 40th Birthday and I was extremely excited for its arrival. As fate wold have it my girlfriend knew I wanted an 80inch Sharp so she purchased an 844u without my knowledge. The issue here is not the cost but the better product so I'm asking if faced with th same dilemma which would you keep. I read the forum and I'm trying to keep up with back-lit vs edge-lit and 3D quality. In the end I just want the TV that will look the best on the stand and not on the wall. What is the difference in the two that would sway me in one direction.
the 857 is gonna look better when it's off (think Thinner & a nicer bezel) , the 844 will look better when it's on , better Picture Quality .
SO it's a question of what your importance's are rolleyes.gif

there are PQ issues ,clouding & edge light bleed , with the edge lit models , Sharp has stepped away on back array due to it high production costs BUT those savings are Not passed on to the customers wink.gif
post #3194 of 3622
Wow that's pretty telling, is the 3D quality comparable on both units? This sucks cause I have a 70Le847u and its sounds like the picture is going to be worse on the 857u. If so that's NUTS!!!!
post #3195 of 3622
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Originally Posted by Philherbusta View Post

I've got a dilemma and I hope this forum can help. I ordered an 857u for my 40th Birthday and I was extremely excited for its arrival. As fate wold have it my girlfriend knew I wanted an 80inch Sharp so she purchased an 844u without my knowledge. The issue here is not the cost but the better product so I'm asking if faced with th same dilemma which would you keep. I read the forum and I'm trying to keep up with back-lit vs edge-lit and 3D quality. In the end I just want the TV that will look the best on the stand and not on the wall. What is the difference in the two that would sway me in one direction.

Get both in house and watch it if you can.
It isn't about back vs edge lit, but which specific TV set you get will have less issues - IMHO.
On paper 844 looks better due to full array back lit.
Reality is different story.
Take a look at my 844 pics 2 pages ago and tell me if that what you can keep?
I hope you will get better TV vs I got as so many are happy with 844.

Another thing is about your watching habit - will you watch TV in complete darkness most of the time?

get 2 if you can smile.gif then return one you don't like.
post #3196 of 3622
I’m having an odd issue not sure if anyone else has, and I do not recall seeing it posted before. I set up and watched 3D for the first about a week ago and since then the TV will randomly switch to 3D mode for a couple seconds then back to 2D, as if it got a 3D signal (annoying the display pops up whit the pic of the glasses and all that), this happens when watching regular HD tv from DirecTV, is this an issue of the TV maybe a setting or something or the DVR?
post #3197 of 3622
On my way 2 pages backwards, will comment after I review. I had no idea this would be such a tricky choice. I thought 857u was a slam dunk!!!
post #3198 of 3622
Saw the thread Mikek so are they sending you an 857u? Sounds like that's the outcome for your faulty 844u. From what you or anyone else has heard will calibration help with the 857u? If so that might be worth the investment.
post #3199 of 3622
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Originally Posted by agipskf View Post

I’m having an odd issue not sure if anyone else has, and I do not recall seeing it posted before. I set up and watched 3D for the first about a week ago and since then the TV will randomly switch to 3D mode for a couple seconds then back to 2D, as if it got a 3D signal (annoying the display pops up whit the pic of the glasses and all that), this happens when watching regular HD tv from DirecTV, is this an issue of the TV maybe a setting or something or the DVR?

I have the exact same issue with my 90".

In the 3d setup menu of the 90" there is a 3d Mode. I've been playing with that setting to see if it will go away.

For me, it seems worse when the 3d mode is set to mode 2.

I may just set it to off and manually invode 3d when I want.
post #3200 of 3622
Any more thoughts on the 857u vs 844u? Soliciting help from the owners of either set or those who have actually seen them both in action.
post #3201 of 3622
Hi,
I just bought the TV and it doesn't come with any glasses. I read that RobertSATX recommends the Monster glasses, but I'm asking here in general: is that still holds true?

How would you compare to Sharp's 20's? In terms of fit, comfort, suitable for kids? Do you have any experience with Sharp's 30's glasses?

Does the Monster xmitter need to be placed in front of the IR sensor of the TV, or does the TV have a plug I can connect it to?

Can I mix Monster RF glasses and Sharp's IR glasses?

The TV gets delivered tonight.

Thanks for your help!
post #3202 of 3622
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Originally Posted by shpitz View Post

Hi,
I just bought the TV and it doesn't come with any glasses. I read that RobertSATX recommends the Monster glasses, but I'm asking here in general: is that still holds true?

How would you compare to Sharp's 20's? In terms of fit, comfort, suitable for kids? Do you have any experience with Sharp's 30's glasses?

Does the Monster xmitter need to be placed in front of the IR sensor of the TV, or does the TV have a plug I can connect it to?

Can I mix Monster RF glasses and Sharp's IR glasses?

The TV gets delivered tonight.

Thanks for your help!

I would normally suggest the Sharp glasses, but they appear to be discontinued. If you look around, you still might be able to find the AN-DG20-EL available. I tried a pair of the AN-DG30 glasses, and felt that they were too small, and did not fit properly over my glasses. The 30 series would be fine for kids. I don't have much experience with third party glasses, so I would check reviews of the products you are interested in.

For your question about placement or the Monster transmitter:
http://www.monstercable.com/lit/Max_3D_manual.pdf

My best guess is that you can mix and match glasses. The Sharp glasses are still available at Abt. Or check a Sears in your area.

http://www.abt.com/product/56369/Sharp-AN3DG20B.html?utm_source=scfroogle&utm_medium=sc&utm_campaign=AN3DG20B&adtype=pla
post #3203 of 3622
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

I would normally suggest the Sharp glasses, but they appear to be discontinued. If you look around, you still might be able to find the AN-DG20-EL available. I tried a pair of the AN-DG30 glasses, and felt that they were too small, and did not fit properly over my glasses. The 30 series would be fine for kids. I don't have much experience with third party glasses, so I would check reviews of the products you are interested in.

For your question about placement or the Monster transmitter:
http://www.monstercable.com/lit/Max_3D_manual.pdf

My best guess is that you can mix and match glasses. The Sharp glasses are still available at Abt. Or check a Sears in your area.

http://www.abt.com/product/56369/Sharp-AN3DG20B.html?utm_source=scfroogle&utm_medium=sc&utm_campaign=AN3DG20B&adtype=pla


My 90" Sharp came with two of the Sharp glasses.

I purchsed a pair from Dimensional Optics, and they worked at least as well as the Sharp glasses.

I really wanted to use the Monster glasses. I bought two pair, but I could not get them to work with the 90.... (I spoke with Monster multiple times)
post #3204 of 3622
I see. Someone mentioned that a firmware update for the Monster was required for it to work with 844.

If I can use multiple brands @ the same time that would be great to try, I think i'll order two of each.

Anyone tried these True Depth 3D Glasses for Sharp 3D TVs?
Edited by shpitz - 5/28/13 at 1:52pm
post #3205 of 3622
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Originally Posted by shpitz View Post

I see. Someone mentioned that a firmware update for the Monster was required for it to work with 844.

If I can use multiple brands @ the same time that would be great to try, I think i'll order two of each.

Anyone tried these True Depth 3D Glasses for Sharp 3D TVs?[/quote

FYI.... I tried the firmware update and it failed. I had two pairs of glasses, so I tried it on both transmitters. It failed both times and rendered the transmitters useless.

Monster said they had to contact an engineer. I know other AVS members who had it work fine. Mine failed twice.

The True Depth glasses don't support the 90" yet (according to their website.
post #3206 of 3622
Hi all. I live in northern California and I just had my 844u calibrated by Robert Busch of Busch Home Theater in Santa Rosa. WOW what a difference between what I was able to do on my own and the quality now. It is true that some of the 'pop' goes away with proper calibration but very the image is so authentic. Skin tones look amazing. There are no artifacts from incorrect sharpening. I am just so thrilled watching the set now. Robert services all of California so if you want a referral for an excellent calibration expert with top of the line equipment then give him a call at 707-888-6630. His price is reasonable, he's really informative to hang out with, and the results are great.

On another note, it seems I got a really good 844u. Robert said my set calibrated more easily and more accurately than any other 844u he had calibrated. He said my set behaved as well as an Elite as far as cooperating with the calibration (not pq). That made me feel really good.
post #3207 of 3622
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Originally Posted by goldberg96 View Post

Hi all. I live in northern California and I just had my 844u calibrated by Robert Busch of Busch Home Theater in Santa Rosa. WOW what a difference between what I was able to do on my own and the quality now. It is true that some of the 'pop' goes away with proper calibration but very the image is so authentic. Skin tones look amazing. There are no artifacts from incorrect sharpening. I am just so thrilled watching the set now. Robert services all of California so if you want a referral for an excellent calibration expert with top of the line equipment then give him a call at 707-888-6630. His price is reasonable, he's really informative to hang out with, and the results are great.

On another note, it seems I got a really good 844u. Robert said my set calibrated more easily and more accurately than any other 844u he had calibrated. He said my set behaved as well as an Elite as far as cooperating with the calibration (not pq). That made me feel really good.
I told you Robert was great. Now you can enjoy the set like it was meant.

S~
post #3208 of 3622
Hi all,

I have 2 pairs AN3DG20B - IR rechargeable that I plan to return back to BB due to original 844 got replaced with 857 that works over BT and not IR, so I can't use AN3DG20B.
If anyone need it PM me, otherwise I'll return it back to BB.

AN3DG20B

Mike.
post #3209 of 3622
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Originally Posted by mikek753 View Post

Hi all,

I have 2 pairs AN3DG20B - IR rechargeable that I plan to return back to BB due to original 844 got replaced with 857 that works over BT and not IR, so I can't use AN3DG20B.
If anyone need it PM me, otherwise I'll return it back to BB.

AN3DG20B

Mike.

That's mighty nice of you to offer them up to the community, Mike. In my opinion, the G20B's are the best glasses out there for the 844. They're rechargeable, large enough to fit over regular glasses, and have a 3D/2D setting.
post #3210 of 3622
" Would you mind to elaborate how Calibration improved smoothness?
What got much smoother?
I'm not sure I understand it."

Three things stand out (to me) on calibrated tv's that lean the picture toward 'smooth' (or dull if one sees it that way)

- Skin tones become even, there are no splotches, even subtle ones, of color changes on faces, definitely smoother looking. Other objects also.
- Sharpness on calibrated tv's is almost always at a minimum to prevent ringing and ghosting, and it's usually less than what we normally crank it up in the menu.
- Color intensity is usually lower than most of us are used to in normal settings.

All these contribute to a smoother looking picture. That being said some sets do look different from others after calibration, and a bit of tweaking in the main controls (a bit more color, sharpness, etc.) might be necessary if one isn't happy with the picture. But it's best to give it a week or so before adjusting.

The biggest improvement I saw on my first calibrated television was in the whites. The winter olympics were on, and right after calibration we were watching ice skating, and it was immediately obvious there was a dramatic difference. Every object that was white, was a different white, the ice, the wall, the signs, the scoring titles, all on the screen at the same time, and all very different whites, just like in real life. Big change.
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