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post #1831 of 2660
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Originally Posted by rockmanzx View Post

Hi does anyone know if there is an option to swap the Left/Right eyes for 3d?

You need to see an ophthalmologist. It's quite an extensive surgery.
post #1832 of 2660
lmfao..good one.
post #1833 of 2660
Just ordered the lc60c8470u after owning the lc60c6400u for 1 week. I liked the 6400u for almost everything except sports. The movement made the picture blurry. I think that is what is called judder. So I ordered the 847 for the higher refresh rate hoping that this would correct this problem. The 3D is not at all important to me. Did I just waste a lot of money, or will I notice a difference in the picture when watching sports? I have both a cable box and over the air antenna connected to the tv.

Btw, the screen of the 6400u is perfectly uniform, no clouding, no flashlighting.
Edited by redgtconv - 12/22/12 at 12:32am
post #1834 of 2660
It could depend on the signal source.
Over the air and satellite perform far better than cable, unless you have fiber optic...
post #1835 of 2660
I got my 8470 (BJs model) two weeks ago, and I'm still getting stuff up and running, but it's been great so far. I used CGGorman's settings, but with some tweaks. I decreased the brightness in standard mode, as I was getting a suntan from my chair, I put Aquomotion on in standard mode, and I changed the color settings quite a bit for game mode, as CG's settings work fine for XBOX, but for Wii (scaled through DVDO EDGE) they were a mess, and the home screen looked way too warm with muddy whites, so I turned the color settings significantly cooler.

One "issue" I have is that even with the DVDO EDGE, Comcast looks like sh*t on some channels. I tried it with and without the EDGE, and it looks a tiny bit better with the EDGE, but even then, there's a ton of compression artifacts and problems with the edges of the text. There's not much I can do about it, I think it's because of Comcast's triple channeling of HDs. Previously, I watched Comcast on a different system on a Sony 55", but I was sitting another 3 feet away from a smaller TV (11 feet vs 7 feet), so I didn't notice it as much. The 8470 looks AMAZING with VUDU HDX movies, but I'm just a little jealous of FIOS on the TV side. Unfortunately, here in CT, we don't have FIOS, and I'm not going to move 20 minutes away to Rhode Island just for TV. biggrin.gif

I'm using an Onkyo receiver, but it has no contact with the TV, as the DVDO EDGE splits the Video and Audio signals down two different HDMI cables, one going to the TV, and one going to the AVR.
post #1836 of 2660
Looks like I may be calling sharp after all to see if I can get my panel replaced. I was watching something last night and noticed that the right side of the screen was darker. At first I thought it was just the content but started really looking and loaded up some color test patterns, specifically 10-15-20% grey.

The right side of the screen is MUCH darker. I normally sit slightly off angle to the left a little bit (the couch is directly in front of the tv. I moved over to the right side of the couch to see if maybe it was just an effect of being slightly off angle (only a couple of degrees) and when sitting in line with the right side of the TV when any of the greys are displayed it looks almost like a light black. You see it sitting dead center of the TV or off to the right slighty, hardly noticeable on the left side, and while the left side does it it is extremely minor compared to the right. Pics to come.
post #1837 of 2660
Heres a couple pics of what I was talking about. It looks a lot worse in person than the pics make it out.. It does look slightly darker on the left side if I set off angle to the left but not nearly as severe.






post #1838 of 2660
Looks like backlight failure...
post #1839 of 2660
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Originally Posted by johnfull View Post

Looks like backlight failure...

I would have said the same if it was all the time and really bad. it's not noticeable in most situations, it seems its most noticeable with certain shades of grey. Noticed it when watching avatar with a lot of grey going on in the compound scenes
post #1840 of 2660
Im about to buy a 70" sharp and cant decide which model. What is the difference between the bestbuy 70le845u and other stores 70le847u?

Thanks
post #1841 of 2660
Well for one there is no quad pixel plus on it. Dont know how much you care about that. But when i was looking at the 845 they had it for 2899, i got them to match east coast tvs, at the time th price with the 2% discount was 2439 and they matched it. even though the east coast version is a higher model number. So they will be aggressive on price if you are agressive with them
post #1842 of 2660
my local bestbuy bestprice is $2699+tax, they dont want to price match eastcoasttv so i walk away. Is quad pixel that important?

Thanks
post #1843 of 2660
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Originally Posted by bryan338 View Post

my local bestbuy bestprice is $2699+tax, they dont want to price match eastcoasttv so i walk away. Is quad pixel that important?
Thanks
Yes and no. Because you are paying for a tv that has less features but cost more than what you can buy on line, plus the tax vs the 847. Pull up the difference on your laptop on sharps website and you can do a direct comparsion between the 2. For example, today on east coast they ahve the 847 for 2455 if i read that correctly. So there you go a lower price plus no tax and more features. If they would not price match I would walk out. But also get a quote from paults tv. my best buy was willing to match eaither of them. but since I pulled up the east coast tv add they matched it. Plus I talked to about 6 differnt managers and kept going till I got my way. Once they know I was not ****ing around and was ready to by they gave in. Just depends on how much you want to save. I wish you luck
post #1844 of 2660
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Originally Posted by bryan338 View Post

Is quad pixel that important?
Thanks

You can do some poking around in the "calibration settings" threads, however, its my impression that the majority of users turn the quad pixel plus option "off". As another poster mentioned, many best buy stores will match Amazon, so try bringing in an ad from Amazon. If you still want to pursue a cheaper price, Paul's TV came close to matching East Coast when I contacted them. Personally, I didn't think BB offered much more advantage than an online retailer, so I bought online.
post #1845 of 2660
Has anyone who has an 847 seen the difference between having the quad pixel plus 2 on versus off? I would love to know the difference no matter how small or big please.
post #1846 of 2660
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

Has anyone who has an 847 seen the difference between having the quad pixel plus 2 on versus off? I would love to know the difference no matter how small or big please.

I don't notice a single difference with it on or off to be honest. I was hoping more than anything it would help with games on the 360 and the jaggies some games exhibit, but with both the 360 and blu ray content I am hard pressed to find any difference with it on or off.
post #1847 of 2660
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Originally Posted by Shady195 View Post

I don't notice a single difference with it on or off to be honest. I was hoping more than anything it would help with games on the 360 and the jaggies some games exhibit, but with both the 360 and blu ray content I am hard pressed to find any difference with it on or off.
Thank you for the reply, can anyone else chime in please?
post #1848 of 2660
In my personal opinion, I couldn't tell the difference between the quad pixel plus settings (on or off).
post #1849 of 2660
This sucks, so the quattron has no effect,the quad pixel has no effect, and the 480 aquamotion have no effect. I mean is it just me or is this just insane?
post #1850 of 2660
Hi all
I just received my LC-70LE847U and absolutely love it. It it worlds of difference for us. We're coming from an old DLP (haha). Anyhow, I've used all of CG's settings (many thanks to you CG). I noticed the standard Uses OPC "on" like his game settings. However do we adjust the OPC Range in the standard setting? Or leave as is?

I noticed in the "game" setting CG has an OPC range that we adjust (min and max). Min of -5 and max of +10.

Right now I see in the "standard" settings OPC Range was not adjusted and has a min of -16 and max of +8.



Thanks!

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Originally Posted by CGGorman View Post

STANDARD MODE for normal daytime room lighting. it uses OPC so it works pretty good at various room brighness


I'm quite pleased with thiis calibration....



Model: LC-70LE847U

AV Mode: Standard

DAY TIME


OPC.......................On

Backlight ................+16

Contrast ................+31

Brightness...............+1

Color......................-3

Tint......................-5

Sharpness...............+1

Gamut ....................N/A

Motion Enhance........120 Hz High

Quad Pixel...............Standard

Active Contrast........Off

Gamma...................+2

Film Mode...............Off

Digital NR ................Off


CMS

HUE

R.....-4

Y.....+14

G.....-30

C.....+17

B.....-20

M.....-5


SATURATION

R.....+3

Y.....-15

G.....-30

C.....-30

B........0

M.....-30


VALUE

R.....-30

Y.....+2

G.....+17

C.....+21

B......+1

M.......0


COLOR TEMP

POS.....R..........G..........B

1.......+30.......+25......+30

2.......+10.......+7........-2

3.......-1.........-6........-20

4.......-10........-8........-27

5.......-14.......-12.......-30

6.......-13........-6........-30

7.......-13........-7........-30

8.......-10........-8........-28

9........-6........-5........-26

10......-4.........-1........-24

post #1851 of 2660
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

Thank you for the reply, can anyone else chime in please?
The image, when using my computer is somewhat smoother when Quad Pixel Plus 2 is engaged. Not much difference when watching tv or blu-ray content. Aquomotion 240 makes my picture smoother, but darker.
post #1852 of 2660
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

The image, when using my computer is somewhat smoother when Quad Pixel Plus 2 is engaged. Not much difference when watching tv or blu-ray content. Aquomotion 240 makes my picture smoother, but darker.
I just got my 60" 847u today and noticed the same thing. That's why I changed the Quad Pixel Plus 2 setting to Standard instead of Advanced when using my HTPC.

So far, I really enjoy this TV and plan on using the i1Display Pro I got, also today, to calibrate it tomorrow.

I only have one gripe with the TV and that's the fact that you can't eliminate the Soap Opera or dejuddering effect without using Game Mode. I really wish I was able to just deblur with the 240hz or Aquomotion 240 option and not have any sort of dejudder going on, even when Film Mode is off or Advanced and set to 0. I hope Sharp will modify the behavior in the future... Because of this, I'm going to try to calibrate, to the best of my ability, in Game mode, even if it means missing out on the deblurring bonuses of the panel. It provides a nice picture otherwise!
post #1853 of 2660
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

I just got my 60" 847u today and noticed the same thing. That's why I changed the Quad Pixel Plus 2 setting to Standard instead of Advanced when using my HTPC.
So far, I really enjoy this TV and plan on using the i1Display Pro I got, also today, to calibrate it tomorrow.
I only have one gripe with the TV and that's the fact that you can't eliminate the Soap Opera or dejuddering effect without using Game Mode. I really wish I was able to just deblur with the 240hz or Aquomotion 240 option and not have any sort of dejudder going on, even when Film Mode is off or Advanced and set to 0. I hope Sharp will modify the behavior in the future... Because of this, I'm going to try to calibrate, to the best of my ability, in Game mode, even if it means missing out on the deblurring bonuses of the panel. It provides a nice picture otherwise!
try turning off the 240 to 120 low wink.gif
post #1854 of 2660
Just ordered the lc60c8470u after owning the lc60c6400u for 1 week. I liked the 6400u for almost everything except sports. The movement made the picture blurry. I think that is what is called judder. So I ordered the 847 for the higher refresh rate hoping that this would correct this problem. The 3D is not at all important to me. Did I just waste a lot of money, or will I notice a difference in the picture when watching sports? I have both a cable box and over the air antenna connected to the tv.

Btw, the screen of the 6400u is perfectly uniform, no clouding, no flashlighting.


Wondering how the 847 compares to the 640 series for you. Did the sports smooth out? I am trying to decide between the 640, the 847, and the new Vizio 70 inch E-series. CNET says that the 847 is not worth the extra money - and that it actually performs worse than the 640. And they say that the 640 performs better than the new Vizio as well. But the 847 has a 240 refresh rate, so I am curious if you saw a difference. I don't care about 3D either - just sports and the occasional movie.
post #1855 of 2660
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

try turning off the 240 to 120 low wink.gif
I'll give it a try! I already tried "Off" and the effect is still there. But anything's worth a try!
post #1856 of 2660
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Originally Posted by ppod View Post

Just ordered the lc60c8470u after owning the lc60c6400u for 1 week. I liked the 6400u for almost everything except sports. The movement made the picture blurry. I think that is what is called judder. So I ordered the 847 for the higher refresh rate hoping that this would correct this problem. The 3D is not at all important to me. Did I just waste a lot of money, or will I notice a difference in the picture when watching sports? I have both a cable box and over the air antenna connected to the tv.
Btw, the screen of the 6400u is perfectly uniform, no clouding, no flashlighting.
Wondering how the 847 compares to the 640 series for you. Did the sports smooth out? I am trying to decide between the 640, the 847, and the new Vizio 70 inch E-series. CNET says that the 847 is not worth the extra money - and that it actually performs worse than the 640. And they say that the 640 performs better than the new Vizio as well. But the 847 has a 240 refresh rate, so I am curious if you saw a difference. I don't care about 3D either - just sports and the occasional movie.

I ordered the 847 online and it is scheduled for delivery on Thursday Jan 3rd. Sometime next weekend I will let you know my impressions vs the 640.
I also read the Cnet review, and it did make me think twice about ordering it. But, I went to BestBuy and saw the 2 sets side by side with the same feed and both sets were set to dynamic fixed. The picture on the 847 was far superior to that of the 640. So based on that I decided to give it a try. I have learned that you can use tv reviews as a basic guideline, but you really have to see the TV's for yourself to make a proper decision.
Btw, I was able to eliminate a lot of the problems I was having with the 640 by getting my cable box replaced and making adjustments to the picture.
Edited by redgtconv - 12/29/12 at 12:01pm
post #1857 of 2660
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Originally Posted by redgtconv View Post

I ordered the 847 online and it is scheduled for delivery on Thursday Jan 3rd. Sometime next weekend I will let you know my impressions vs the 640.
I also read the Cnet review, and it did make me think twice about ordering it. But, I went to BestBuy and saw the 2 sets side by side with the same feed and both sets were set to dynamic fixed. The picture on the 847 was far superior to that of the 640. So based on that I decided to give it a try. I have learned that you can use tv reviews as a basic guideline, but you really have to see the TV's for yourself to make a proper decision.
Btw, I was able to eliminate a lot of the problems I was having with the 640 by getting my cable box replaced and making adjustments to the picture.

Sounds good, the only problem is best buy does not carry the 847 they carry the 845. Its close but there are at least one difference in features. One that I know of is no quad pixel 2 plus. fyi
post #1858 of 2660
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

try turning off the 240 to 120 low wink.gif
Tried it, didn't help. Was watching some movie on TV and it would still occasionally throw in a smooth frame or two. Tried with Motion Enhancement 120 Hz Low and also Off. Film mode is also set to Off.

I wonder if SHARP will ever patch that oversight in a future firmware update...

I guess I'm back to watching movies in GAME mode... which kind of sucks, actually, because the Gamma response on Game mode maxes out at like 1.9 even when you adjust the gamma slider.
Edited by sodaboy581 - 12/29/12 at 5:05pm
post #1859 of 2660
Btw, I was able to eliminate a lot of the problems I was having with the 640 by getting my cable box replaced and making adjustments to the picture.


You say you eliminated most of your problems, but you still ordered the 847! That speaks volumes about the side by side comparison you were able to do. My store does not have them both on display to compare like that. So I am eager to hear your results when it is delivered next week. I have Fiber Optic cable, so I am leaning towards the 640 series, but I can be easily swayed by reviews from users that share my viewing interests. Thanks again.
post #1860 of 2660
As much as I like this TV, it looks like I might have to ship it back.

I guess a picture mode where you could disable all Motion Enhancement and "Film" effects while keeping a decent gamma was too much to ask of SHARP.

Unless there is some way I disable the effects in the service menu or maybe unlock another mode, like an ISF mode, where the settings for dejudder actually WORK, I really have no choice but to return it.

It's funny because even the "PC" picture mode, which doesn't have a setting for Motion Enhancement or Film, still exhibits the dejudder or "SOE" effect. I don't really understand what they were thinking...

EDIT: Adjusting the contrast a bit more, I was able to get 2.0 Gamma out of Game mode, which looks a bit better. Still no 2.2, but still better.

My current settings are

AV Mode: Game
OPC: Off
Backlight :12
Contrast: +27
Brightness: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

[No CMS Adjustments, I can't seem to do this properly anyway.]

Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): +7
G Gain (LO): 0
B Gain (LO): -22
R Gain (HI): -2
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -28
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Advanced
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: -2
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: Defaults


This is an acceptable picture, but I know I could do better in Movie or any other mode... if I could just defeat the motion smoothing...
Edited by sodaboy581 - 12/29/12 at 10:36pm
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