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post #1861 of 2660
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

As much as I like this TV, it looks like I might have to ship it back.
I guess a picture mode where you could disable all Motion Enhancement and "Film" effects while keeping a decent gamma was too much to ask of SHARP.
Unless there is some way I disable the effects in the service menu or maybe unlock another mode, like an ISF mode, where the settings for dejudder actually WORK, I really have no choice but to return it.
It's funny because even the "PC" picture mode, which doesn't have a setting for Motion Enhancement or Film, still exhibits the dejudder or "SOE" effect. I don't really understand what they were thinking...
EDIT: Adjusting the contrast a bit more, I was able to get 2.0 Gamma out of Game mode, which looks a bit better. Still no 2.2, but still better.
My current settings are
AV Mode: Game
OPC: Off
Backlight :12
Contrast: +27
Brightness: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
[No CMS Adjustments, I can't seem to do this properly anyway.]
Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): +7
G Gain (LO): 0
B Gain (LO): -22
R Gain (HI): -2
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -28
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Advanced
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: -2
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: Defaults
This is an acceptable picture, but I know I could do better in Movie or any other mode... if I could just defeat the motion smoothing...

How about disabling quad pixel plus 2
post #1862 of 2660
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Originally Posted by skiman24 View Post

How about disabling quad pixel plus 2
I don't understand, what is the problem? Why cant you adjust the gamma in any mode but dynamic fixed? What is the issue you are having? I read your questions, but dont see what the problem is with the tv? Is is the picture and or color off, or do you have judder problems? To much or too little SOE? Please explain or anyone else please explain to me what the problem is that this guy or girl is having? As I am about to buy this tv and what to see what the issue is.
post #1863 of 2660
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Originally Posted by skiman24 View Post

How about disabling quad pixel plus 2

You can do that, but I haven't seen much of an impact on the picture other than smoothing out fonts on my HTPC.

Anyway, I did another calibration on Game mode and also another calibration on an ISF Day mode using ControlCAL. You can get my ISF Day ControlCAL settings on the ControlCAL forums, but my new "Game"mode settings are these:

AV Mode: Game
OPC: Off
Backlight :12
Contrast: +27
Brightness: 0
Color: -6
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

C.M.S.-Hue
R: -3
Y: +14
G: -11
C: -11
B: -3
M: -1

C.M.S.-Saturation
R: +14
Y: +17
G: +13
C: +15
B: -6
M: +14

C.M.S.-Value
R: -4
Y: +4
G: +30
C: +30
B: -6
M: -10

Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): +7
G Gain (LO): 0
B Gain (LO): -27
R Gain (HI): -1
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -27
Quad Pixel Plus 2: Advanced (Or your own preference)
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: -2
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: Defaults
post #1864 of 2660
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

Tried it, didn't help. Was watching some movie on TV and it would still occasionally throw in a smooth frame or two. Tried with Motion Enhancement 120 Hz Low and also Off. Film mode is also set to Off.
I wonder if SHARP will ever patch that oversight in a future firmware update...
I guess I'm back to watching movies in GAME mode... which kind of sucks, actually, because the Gamma response on Game mode maxes out at like 1.9 even when you adjust the gamma slider.
go into picture and turn film mode to off. that will kill the soe right away.
post #1865 of 2660
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

go into picture and turn film mode to off. that will kill the soe right away.
No, it won't.

Myself and the other three people in this thread who have the same problem aren't that ignorant.

I already explained in my previous posts that both Motion Enhancement and Film mode are off. The intermittent frame interpolation and smoothing still occurs in all modes excluding Game.

Thanks for trying to help, though.
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

I only have one gripe with the TV and that's the fact that you can't eliminate the Soap Opera or dejuddering effect without using Game Mode. I really wish I was able to just deblur with the 240hz or Aquomotion 240 option and not have any sort of dejudder going on, even when Film Mode is off or Advanced and set to 0.

Others with the same problem in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1710#post_22692287

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1350#post_22418607

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1080#post_22213261
post #1866 of 2660
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

No, it won't.
Myself and the other three people in this thread who have the same problem aren't that ignorant.
I already explained in my previous posts that both Motion Enhancement and Film mode are off. The intermittent frame interpolation and smoothing still occurs in all modes excluding Game.
Thanks for trying to help, though.
Others with the same problem in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1710#post_22692287
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1350#post_22418607
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1080#post_22213261
I have seen it with the settings off too. What is really bothering me at the moment is when watching Buffy on DVD I get picture studder. Even after the TV has been replaced. I tried all the motion enhancements on and off but still get it. I wonder if it has something to do with the BD player I am using. Don't feel like testing with another player at the moment so I'll deal with it the way it is. Haven't noticed it with any other DVDs and definately not with a BD.
post #1867 of 2660
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

No, it won't.
Myself and the other three people in this thread who have the same problem aren't that ignorant.
I already explained in my previous posts that both Motion Enhancement and Film mode are off. The intermittent frame interpolation and smoothing still occurs in all modes excluding Game.
Thanks for trying to help, though.
Others with the same problem in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1710#post_22692287
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1350#post_22418607
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1080#post_22213261

It seems as though endless tweaking will not make you happy with this display. I see in your previous posts that you had a DLP, but were noticing a soft picture when connected to a pc. Probably the best course of action for you would be to return your 847 and buy a plasma and be done with it. I have the 70 inch 847, and have no issues with it. It's only tv - no technology is perfect.
post #1868 of 2660
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

It seems as though you will never be happy with this product, no matter how much you try to tweak it. Why not return it a buy a plasma? I see in your previous posts that you had a DLP, but were noticing a soft picture when connected to a pc. No technology is perfect. I've experienced none of the issues that you are having, and I have a 70 inch version of the 847. It's just a tv..

I had a DLP and I liked the picture, though the Geometry wasn't great for HTPC use... but it was fine.

I do like the product, I only have the problem of the Motion Enhancement NOT disabling when it's clearly set to off... This isn't something we should have to "accept". DLP Geometry is something you can accept as it's inherent of RPTV technology in general. But, an option not disabling when you've told it to is definitely a problem as it doesn't happen on other TVs.

I'd rather NOT have to return this TV and I've been in contact with SHARP regarding this in e-mail. Now they're asking me to call them, so perhaps they can help. If I can get this issue resolved, then I'm keeping the TV.

I already tried a Plasma in the past and I'm not a fan of ABL and also IR. Yes, IR is just temporary, but it still annoys me and I'd always be thinking about what screens my GF is leaving the TV on while I'm at work. (She has a habit of watching Netflix on the PC and leaving up the recommendations page for long periods of time.) ABL is just something I'd rather not deal with either. At all.

All I want is for all motion enhancement and film to be turned off when I tell it to in other modes besides Game... I don't think that's too much to ask.

Also, saying "I've experienced none of the issues that you are having" doesn't make my issues any less valid and it doesn't mean that they're just in my head because you can't see them on your TV. In fact, it's great your TV is working as it should be *golf clap*, but mine is not.
post #1869 of 2660
I did not say that it was in your head, nor am I starting a flame. Perhaps trying a set from another vendor might solve your problems. Good luck, and Happy New Year!
post #1870 of 2660
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

I did not say that it was in your head, nor am I starting a flame. Perhaps trying a set from another vendor might solve your problems. Good luck, and Happy New Year!

It's all good. I just got off the phone with SHARP, I have a service appointment scheduled for Wednesday.

The lady on the phone, who was a supervisor, asked me some question regarding the audio/video too in other modes. The audio/video in other modes can sometimes be off sync where the video will slow down then speed up or catch back up occasionally too.

She agrees what I am experiencing is not normal, especially when both settings are set to off, so they definitely want someone out to take a look at it.

I hope the technician can resolve it on Wednesday! If not, then, I guess I will either have the TV exchanged or buy a new one from maybe another vendor, like you say!

I really hope it will be fixed on Wednesday, though! 'cuz I don't have any other issues like flashlights and so on.
post #1871 of 2660
Let us no what they tell you
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Let us know


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Thread Starter 
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post #1875 of 2660
Yes let us KNOW.....sucks having fat fingers and an iPhone ....but wow you spelling nazis have way to much time on your hands
post #1876 of 2660
I'm very happy with the tv but I'm interested to hear their findings on your tv. Let us know please.
post #1877 of 2660
I expect to hear sharps verdict tommorow. They had better be sending me a replacement unit, I expect to have Chad up here for a calibration and the uniformity issue im having in unacceptable, im noticeing it more and more, I really havent tried to pay to much attention to it, but over the past few days watching a few movies, not looking for it at all I kept noticeing the right side of the screen being slightly darker, noticeable more in panning scenes where you really notice the change in color/contrast from one spot to the next, I haven't been looking for it, im still really happy with the TV suprisingly enough but I think the issue is worsening.

Chads supposed to be up in a few weeks and I am going to be extremely upset if sharp decides to do nothing about this, I sent them a ton of pictures demonstrating the issue, its noticeable in the pictures they asked for. The techs have been extremely helpful and have admitted they have seen it, so hopefully whoever reviews the pictures is not a twit and recognizes that there is an issue.
post #1878 of 2660
Well, I'm no longer going through with the service call. I saw a deal on the Sony KDL60EX645 at Fry's today which was about half the price I paid for the Sharp.

Started a return on the Sharp and already set up the Sony.

After doing a calibration, grayscale only since it lacks a CMS, I'm happy with my new TV and it doesn't exhibit the motion problem the Sharp had. Can turn on and off the enhancement at will like I would expect.

To be fair to Sharp, they weren't coming themselves, they were just going to send an authorized service person from some local company. I doubt he would have been able to fix the issue as I even looked for things in the service menu that would correct my problem. He would have probably suggested we get a part replaced or a TV swap and I didn't really feel like waiting around for that...

Sorry to let you all down.
post #1879 of 2660
I recently stole (Not really stole, but seemed like it since I paid $1598.99) a SHARP LC-70C8470U and I'm in dier need of someone in this great forum to help me out with the best calibration as the unit doesn't look to great out of the box. My living room is somewhat dark but not heavily and I have it hooked up to my new Direct TV GENIE receiver. Thanks everyone!!!
post #1880 of 2660
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Originally Posted by GFBStunna1 View Post

I recently stole (Not really stole, but seemed like it since I paid $1598.99) a SHARP LC-70C8470U and I'm in dier need of someone in this great forum to help me out with the best calibration as the unit doesn't look to great out of the box. My living room is somewhat dark but not heavily and I have it hooked up to my new Direct TV GENIE receiver. Thanks everyone!!!

The settings looked the most natural to me http://reviews.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/sharp-lcd-tv/sharp-le847u-calibration.html


I tweaked the colors a bit by eye, but for my set those seemed the most neutral in flesh tones etc
post #1881 of 2660
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Originally Posted by metalguy View Post

go into picture and turn film mode to off. that will kill the soe right away.

I have film mode off, and still get SOE, but only on certain content or certain channels...like the Blu Ray battleship looks friggin horrible, I can take it out and put in another blu ray and it looks great? And certain channels in HD will display SOE while others dont...not sure what the problem is?
post #1882 of 2660
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Originally Posted by maximuslcd View Post

I have film mode off, and still get SOE, but only on certain content or certain channels...like the Blu Ray battleship looks friggin horrible, I can take it out and put in another blu ray and it looks great? And certain channels in HD will display SOE while others dont...not sure what the problem is?

Exactly. Well it's obviously related to the quality of your sources. Like FX channel looks absolutely terrible with all the juddering. CW channel is basically unwatchable. Most blu rays look pretty good, but Battleship is just horrible to begin with-- doesn't matter which source you're using for that POS tongue.gif Now, Avatar 3D looks fantastic... it's a shame no other movie has surpassed the look of that one 3 years later cool.gif

Keep in mind, on such a large display, differences in source quality are more apparent vs a smaller display.
post #1883 of 2660
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Originally Posted by Skerlnik View Post

Exactly. Well it's obviously related to the quality of your sources. Like FX channel looks absolutely terrible with all the juddering. CW channel is basically unwatchable. Most blu rays look pretty good, but Battleship is just horrible to begin with-- doesn't matter which source you're using for that POS tongue.gif Now, Avatar 3D looks fantastic... it's a shame no other movie has surpassed the look of that one 3 years later cool.gif
Keep in mind, on such a large display, differences in source quality are more apparent vs a smaller display.

True story, I cannot stand watching TV content anymore, looks great on a 50, looks terrible on a 70, but pop in a blu ray and im in nirvana tongue.gif
post #1884 of 2660
Switching it to game mode doesn't remove the SOE entirely?
post #1885 of 2660
I've been having a strange error with the Hulu app since the last firmware update. The Hulu "loading" screen is stuck but I get the proper audio from Hulu. This screen also appears when I try to use Netflix. All the smart central menus work, Hulu and Netflix menus work, I just can't play any video from them.



Sharp tech support first had me unplug the tv for 45 seconds (didn't help). Next they had me do a factory reset (worked for a day)
Has anyone else had a similar issue?
post #1886 of 2660
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Originally Posted by redgtconv View Post

I ordered the 847 online and it is scheduled for delivery on Thursday Jan 3rd. Sometime next weekend I will let you know my impressions vs the 640.
I also read the Cnet review, and it did make me think twice about ordering it. But, I went to BestBuy and saw the 2 sets side by side with the same feed and both sets were set to dynamic fixed. The picture on the 847 was far superior to that of the 640. So based on that I decided to give it a try. I have learned that you can use tv reviews as a basic guideline, but you really have to see the TV's for yourself to make a proper decision.
Btw, I was able to eliminate a lot of the problems I was having with the 640 by getting my cable box replaced and making adjustments to the picture.

Received the 60C8470U today and after a few hours here are my initial impressions vs the 60C6400U that it is replacing.
First thing I noticed was that the 8470U looks and feels more expensive. It weighs 4 1/2 lbs. more without the stand and 14 1/2 lbs more with the stand. I like the metal bezel, and the swivel stand, which is not reflective. The 6400U stand is shiny and the Sharp symbol that lights up when the set is on, would reflect off of it and was annoying, at least to me.
When I turned the set on, I immediately noticed the dramatic difference in contrast. On the 8470U whites are WHITE. What a difference. I thought the whites were good on the 6400U, but this set in is a different league. I expected more contrast with this set having 2 1/2 times the contrast ratio, but I was still surprised.
Now, I also expected better sound since the 8470U has the same speakers as the 6470U, however, with an added built in subwoofer. Here is were I was disappointed, the sound is actually worse. The 6470u has down firing speakers and I thought they were ok. Not as good as my 5 year old Sharp 46", but still good enough. The 8470u has rear firing speakers, resulting is a very hollow sound. And, if there is a built in subwoofer, I certainly don't hear it.
I rented MIB3 from Redbox and thought the picture quality was very good, hard to say if it was any better than the 6400U.
I didn't have any 3D dvd's but I bought a Sony 3D BluRay player and it has apps that stream 3D content from Sony and IMAX. I have say that I had no interest in 3D and I did not buy this set for the 3D, but I was impressed with the samples I saw, and I am now glad that I do have a 3Dtv. It is a little annoying that the glasses will only charge when the tv is on. However, I thought the glasses were light and comfortable, unlike several reviews I had read which said the opposite. Also, I only had time to read the 3D section of the owners manual, but I was glad to see that it said optimum 3D viewing for the 60' set was 7.2 feet, as my couch is 7+ feet from my tv.
Now the most important reason for getting this set was to try to improve the picture quality of sports. I had a chance to watch the Miami Heat game tonight on a local cable broadcast. Even though it is in HD, the local broadcasts are never as good as the national games on ABC or TNT. I definitely have some work to do on the calibrations, but the picture was clear and the panning of the camera and the movement of the basketball was not a problem. I will get a much better idea as I watch football and basketball on national broadcasts over the next few days.
The one thing that is a little overwhelming is the number of calibration adjustments the you can make to this set, both in 2D and 3D. I tend to make as few adjustments as possible to get what I consider to be a good picture.
One final thing was after reading all of the complaints about screen uniformity issues, I looked very carefully at this screen. I have 2 areas that look slightly lighter, but can only see them when there is no content. When the screen is supposed to be black, it is black. I cannot find these spots when there is any content on the tv. So this is a non-issue with this set.
I hope this helps you make your decision.
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I contacted a local ISF calibrator to calibrate my LC-70LE847OU that I purchased a few weeks ago.  He refused to calibrate it saying that there are problems with 2012 Sharp models.  Here is a snippet from his email: 

 

In my experience, on a properly calibrated display (with all the measurements nearly perfect) the skin tones look too red -- sunburned look. The problem is not readily apparent out of the box because the grayscale is skewed so far towards blue.

 

Have any others had their sets professionally calibrated or heard about problems calibrating these TVs?

post #1888 of 2660
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Originally Posted by MurrayW View Post

I contacted a local ISF calibrator to calibrate my LC-70LE847OU that I purchased a few weeks ago.  He refused to calibrate it saying that there are problems with 2012 Sharp models.  Here is a snippet from his email: 


Have any others had their sets professionally calibrated or heard about problems calibrating these TVs?

Sounds like a load of garbage to me. I've seen bits around with older models saying they did not have all of the proper adjustments to get a good solid calibration from the unity, but never thats in unable to be calibrated (which is what he sounds like hes saying rolleyes.gif)
post #1889 of 2660
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Originally Posted by MurrayW View Post

I contacted a local ISF calibrator to calibrate my LC-70LE847OU that I purchased a few weeks ago.  He refused to calibrate it saying that there are problems with 2012 Sharp models.  Here is a snippet from his email: 

"In my experience, on a properly calibrated display (with all the measurements nearly perfect) the skin tones look too red -- sunburned look. The problem is not readily apparent out of the box because the grayscale is skewed so far towards blue."

Have any others had their sets professionally calibrated or heard about problems calibrating these TVs?

I agree that this is totally wrong, unless he was trying to use any color temp other than low. all of the others push blue so much you cannot correct it. grayscale can be dialed in nicely. one of the primaries will be off (forget if it's blue or red) and the secondaries dial in well also. I'll post my results (have been posted on other forums) tonight. calman 4 + D3 = calibration...

sharp_isfday_06.23.2012-1.pdf 430k .pdf file
Edited by greeno - 1/3/13 at 12:12pm
post #1890 of 2660
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Originally Posted by GFBStunna1 View Post

I recently stole (Not really stole, but seemed like it since I paid $1598.99) a SHARP LC-70C8470U and I'm in dier need of someone in this great forum to help me out with the best calibration as the unit doesn't look to great out of the box. My living room is somewhat dark but not heavily and I have it hooked up to my new Direct TV GENIE receiver. Thanks everyone!!!

I plugged in the CNET settings - even though they are for the 60 inch 847, they seem to work OK on my 70LE847U:

Below you'll find the settings I found best for viewing the Sharp LC-60LE847U in a dim room via the HDMI input. Your settings may vary depending on source, room conditions, and personal preference. Check out the Picture settings and calibration FAQ for more information.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9996461-1.html

Calibration notes: As usual the Movie mode was best prior to any adjustment, although it was plagued by a few major issues. The ambient light sensor ("OPC") was engaged by default--a no-no for people who crave an accurate picture--and even worse, the "Extended" color gamut was activated. The latter problem, caused highly inaccurate greens and secondary colors, which I assume is intentional to show off the supposed benefits of Quattron. Movie also had more conventional issues, namely an overly blue grayscale and too much light output.

Sharp's calibration controls addressed most of these issues. The color management system worked almost flawlessly once I compensated for its tendency to dim blue by using a different test pattern--in other words, the issues introduced by Quattron can mostly be calibrated away. The 10-point grayscale didn't work well at all since it didn't provide enough range to adjust properly, but the 2-point system worked well enough that it wasn't a major problem.

Engaging either of the 240Hz settings truncates light output substantially, so I elected to use the 120Hz High mode instead, which still scored well enough in our motion resolution tests. It is possible to get 40Fl out of the 240Hz modes, but I did not do so for this calibration.

http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-579990/sharp-lc-60le847u-picture-settings/



I did not engage the expanded color gamut. Checked the output with a blue filter using HD color bars on the Spears and Munsil disk, and the AVS HD disk. Bumped up the color and backed off the tint. All is good. Give it a shot. How did you get that price on the 847?
Edited by myoda - 1/3/13 at 8:49am
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