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post #2101 of 2449
what is the artifact you see you're trying to defeat/minimize? game mode is the only one that disables all video processing. BUT that's not a recommended mode for calibrating it accurately.
post #2102 of 2449
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

So how exactly do you disable (or reduce) motion interpolation in this set?. Because 120 High and 120 Low look the same, as does Off.
You can't, outside of Game mode.

There was another thread that said turning Film to "Standard" would do it when dealing with a progressive source... but that was never confirmed or denied.

I highly doubt it would and I already got rid of my Sharp. I'm hoping the new 2013 Sharps don't have this problem as I really want a 70" TV that is reliable... If the 2013 Sharp doesn't do it, then I'll grab the Sony 70"... but I'll miss not having a CMS...
post #2103 of 2449
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

what is the artifact you see you're trying to defeat/minimize? game mode is the only one that disables all video processing. BUT that's not a recommended mode for calibrating it accurately.

The actual frame interpolation doesn't bother me. I sort of like it actually since I've never been enamoured with film judder. But I noticed artifacts created by the set (around people and fast moving objects) that irritated me to no end. Those artifacts where like an "aura" around people and certain objects as they panned across a complex or fast moving background. Kind of reminded me of some post processing effects on a PS3 game. I also noticed a bit of tearing when certain objects moved.

For instance, during the opening sequence of Skyfall, the corsshairs of Eve's scope where a broken up mess rather than solid lines. The fast moving background of that sequence looked equally "torn".
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

You can't, outside of Game mode.

I never played with Game Mode so I wasn't aware it could defeat frame interpolation. Given the post I quoted above, it's safe to assume GM adds its own unwanted artifacts?
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Originally Posted by sodaboy581 View Post

There was another thread that said turning Film to "Standard" would do it when dealing with a progressive source... but that was never confirmed or denied.

I highly doubt it would and I already got rid of my Sharp. I'm hoping the new 2013 Sharps don't have this problem as I really want a 70" TV that is reliable... If the 2013 Sharp doesn't do it, then I'll grab the Sony 70"... but I'll miss not having a CMS...

Well, I ended up copying the settings from the cnet review and one of the things they did was set Film Mode to Off. Wouldn't you know, that indeed defeated the Frame Interpolation (at least, to my eyes). The artifacts that were driving me nuts are completely gone. Of course, now none of the "Motion Enhancements" (except for 240 Aquoflow, or whatever it's called, that seems to slightly boost the backlight) do jack squat and all seem as if they're set to Off regardless of the setting I choose. But I'm fine with that since the horrid artifacts and image tearing (very noticeable during the tail end of the opening sequence of Skyfall, for example) are now completely absent from the set. smile.gif

EDIT: Here's a pertinent bit of info from the cnet review:
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Video processing: The LE847U performed basically the same as the LE640U in this category, which is to say not very well. Unlike last year's models such as the LC-830U series, 2012 Sharps are not capable of passing the correct 1080p/24 film cadence in my test. Instead, the deck of the Intrepid from "I Am Legend" showed either the choppy stutter of 2:3 pull-down or the too-smooth look of dejudder. The former occurred when I set Film Mode to either Off or Advanced (0), while any of the other Advanced values caused dejudder to kick in.

Despite the presence of 11 smoothness settings, the adjustable dejudder basically toggled between Off (at 0) and Really Smooth (+1 or higher). I'd like to have seen a greater range of visible effect, such as Samsung's system provides, or even a single setting that keeps some judder, like Sony's Standard setting.

The Sharp does offer the option to get full motion resolution without smoothing. To do so you have to engage either of the 240Hz modes. One, labeled AquoMotion 240, revealed all 1,200 lines, while the second, called simply "240Hz," came in around 1,000. There's also a pair of 120Hz modes that yield around 600 lines.

Edited by RocShemp - 2/27/13 at 4:20am
post #2104 of 2449
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post


The actual frame interpolation doesn't bother me. I sort of like it actually since I've never been enamoured with film judder. But I noticed artifacts created by the set (around people and fast moving objects) that irritated me to no end. Those artifacts where like an "aura" around people and certain objects as they panned across a complex or fast moving background. Kind of reminded me of some post processing effects on a PS3 game. I also noticed a bit of tearing when certain objects moved.

For instance, during the opening sequence of Skyfall, the corsshairs of Eve's scope where a broken up mess rather than solid lines. The fast moving background of that sequence looked equally "torn".
I never played with Game Mode so I wasn't aware it could defeat frame interpolation. Given the post I quoted above, it's safe to assume GM adds its own unwanted artifacts?
Well, I ended up copying the settings from the cnet review and one of the things they did was set Film Mode to Off. Wouldn't you know, that indeed defeated the Frame Interpolation (at least, to my eyes). The artifacts that were driving me nuts are completely gone. Of course, now none of the "Motion Enhancements" (except for 240 Aquoflow, or whatever it's called, that seems to slightly boost the backlight) do jack squat and all seem as if they're set to Off regardless of the setting I choose. But I'm fine with that since the horrid artifacts and image tearing (very noticeable during the tail end of the opening sequence of Skyfall, for example) are now completely absent from the set. smile.gif

EDIT: Here's a pertinent bit of info from the cnet review:

A big THANK YOU for this info. My 70" set is suppose to be delivered this morning and I sure need all the help I can get....

post #2105 of 2449
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

I never played with Game Mode so I wasn't aware it could defeat frame interpolation. Given the post I quoted above, it's safe to assume GM adds its own unwanted artifacts?
Well, I ended up copying the settings from the cnet review and one of the things they did was set Film Mode to Off. Wouldn't you know, that indeed defeated the Frame Interpolation (at least, to my eyes).
I believe the majority of us had the issue when we were looking at 1080P (not 1080i) or 720P sources @ 60fps. Not 24fps. (Which most BluRay players and PS3 output when you playback movies when configured correctly.)

Not all of us use our TV for strictly watching movies, some of us use it for OTA HD and video games. When the TV encounters these signals (60fps), it doesn't seem to completely disable the "Film" mode so you get a little bit of image interpolation all the time.

Game mode does not add any sort of artifacts at all, as it truly completely eliminates the Film and Motion Enhancement settings.

You can read more about our experiences here in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444880/sharp-motion-enhancement-film-mode-stuck-on

Also, everybody and their mom has read that CNET review.

More people with the issue across other forums here:

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/133774-sharp-aquos-80-cant-turn-off-motion-enhancement.html

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/11248172-post3.html

But you could probably find more if you Google'd. It's really a big flaw with the 2012 Sharps. (In MY Opinion).
post #2106 of 2449
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

So how exactly do you disable (or reduce) motion interpolation in this set?. Because 120 High and 120 Low look the same, as does Off.
I've noticed the same thing, also movie mode does little or nothing.
post #2107 of 2449
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

The actual frame interpolation doesn't bother me. I sort of like it actually since I've never been enamoured with film judder. But I noticed artifacts created by the set (around people and fast moving objects) that irritated me to no end. Those artifacts where like an "aura" around people and certain objects as they panned across a complex or fast moving background. Kind of reminded me of some post processing effects on a PS3 game. I also noticed a bit of tearing when certain objects moved.

For instance, during the opening sequence of Skyfall, the corsshairs of Eve's scope where a broken up mess rather than solid lines. The fast moving background of that sequence looked equally "torn".
I never played with Game Mode so I wasn't aware it could defeat frame interpolation. Given the post I quoted above, it's safe to assume GM adds its own unwanted artifacts?
Well, I ended up copying the settings from the cnet review and one of the things they did was set Film Mode to Off. Wouldn't you know, that indeed defeated the Frame Interpolation (at least, to my eyes). The artifacts that were driving me nuts are completely gone. Of course, now none of the "Motion Enhancements" (except for 240 Aquoflow, or whatever it's called, that seems to slightly boost the backlight) do jack squat and all seem as if they're set to Off regardless of the setting I choose. But I'm fine with that since the horrid artifacts and image tearing (very noticeable during the tail end of the opening sequence of Skyfall, for example) are now completely absent from the set. smile.gif

EDIT

glad you got it sorted. just to confirm what you've (re-)discovered, I just watched skyfall last weekend and I saw nothing out of the ordinary. It looked (and sounded) really good. I see no tearing, haloing, etc.
I run the refresh at off, film mode (biggest offender) is off and my calibrated setup is in Movie mode. my bluray player is last year's middle line panasonic (220 I think), onkyo 606 hdmi switching.
post #2108 of 2449
Greeno, are you coming in at 1080p 60?
post #2109 of 2449
I think the default for the player is 1080p24, if it's available on the disc (panasonic 220 player). i just put it in and played it and didn't check. I can check if you like tonight.
post #2110 of 2449
just bought LC-60C8470U from costco, $1399 + tax. is it good deal? hope this is a good TV!
post #2111 of 2449
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

I think the default for the player is 1080p24, if it's available on the disc (panasonic 220 player). i just put it in and played it and didn't check. I can check if you like tonight.

If you get a chance, thanks. Seems there is some confusion over whether motion interpolation is active with 1080p input.
I do use 1080p and both motion enhancement and film mode seem to have no effect.
post #2112 of 2449
I made the decision today to return my Samsung 65" 8000 series due to vertical banding and clouding in exchange for a Sharp LC70LE847U. We will see how it goes, being delivered Friday. Hopefully there truly is a way to turn off the SOE or it will be going back as well......
Edited by timmay77 - 2/27/13 at 7:29pm
post #2113 of 2449
Turning off film mode removes SOE
post #2114 of 2449
Best Buy brought my replacement just now. No more purple on the left side of grey screens; and surprisingly, no clouding.
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post #2116 of 2449
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Best Buy brought my replacement just now. No more purple on the left side of grey screens; and surprisingly, no clouding.

Got mine from BB yesterday....also very uniform. Build date Jan,2013   

Enjoy!  They swapped it for a Panny 65VT50.

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post #2118 of 2449
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I have searched glasses, 3d glasses and 3d and came up with limited results. (not including that thread)

I appreciate the link but you could have just as easily said nothing but the logo.
post #2119 of 2449
Just got mine. Not getting a picture. It's definitely on as there is a faint glow to the screen but no start up menu appears. Nothing. Any ideas?
post #2120 of 2449
Is the chevron under the SHARP logo flashing? My first one did that (no glow) flashed 2 & 5x. Means panel error.
http://s20.beta.photobucket.com/user/e30cabrio/media/Video/MVI_0019_zpsbcb76ceb.mp4.html
Edited by e30cabrio - 3/1/13 at 6:49pm
post #2121 of 2449
The chevron is fully lit. When you power it up youre supposed to get a setup menu. I get nothing. The screen does light up some, but nothing else.
post #2122 of 2449
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Originally Posted by dkhbrit View Post

The chevron is fully lit. When you power it up youre supposed to get a setup menu. I get nothing. The screen does light up some, but nothing else.

Get another one quick. hope you got it from a local retailer.

post #2123 of 2449
My LC-70LE847U, purchased from HHGregg, was delivered yesterday. Here is the boot screen.



I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, but the color seems to be better than on the Samsung UN65ES8000 I returned. I am concerned however about the 3D. On the 3D setup, the balls closest to me have distinct outlines.
Edited by timmay77 - 3/2/13 at 5:10am
post #2124 of 2449
I would be curious what other say about the Sharp LC-60C8470U TV too... Seems like a good deal from Costco.
post #2125 of 2449
I have to agree with the others, despite suggestions here, and trying all different settings, I can not get the SOE to completely turn off. I am very happy with the color and picture of the unit, but the 3D is horrible and the inability to turn off the SOE is too much to overcome. This one is going back. I guess I will take my chances with another UN65ES8000 Samsung.
Edited by timmay77 - 3/4/13 at 3:02am
post #2126 of 2449
can't get SOE to turn off? Are you using movie mode? This topic has come up before and only one person, IIRC, has said turning film mode off doesn't remove SOE.

Movie mode + film mode off + refresh (or whatever it's called ) set to off (not 120hz low, etc.) = no SOE, at least for me.
post #2127 of 2449
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

can't get SOE to turn off? Are you using movie mode? This topic has come up before and only one person, IIRC, has said turning film mode off doesn't remove SOE.

Movie mode + film mode off + refresh (or whatever it's called ) set to off (not 120hz low, etc.) = no SOE, at least for me.

I think you recall wrong.

There was me and three others:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1710#post_22692287

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1350#post_22418607

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/1080#post_22213261

There has been a couple of more people recently and then the other thread I linked previously that was dedicated to this issue.

Only cure is Game mode or a new TV. Movie mode with Film and Motion Enhancement off didn't fix it for us.
post #2128 of 2449
Hi,
can you tell me what hard drive you have connected. I want to get one to put 3d movies on and I want to make sure I buy one that I definately know is compatible. Thank you.
post #2129 of 2449
Hi,
Can you tell me the brand of hard drive that you're using with the sharp smart central? I want to make sure the one that I get works to watch movies that I have on the drive.
post #2130 of 2449
I am on my second 70-845, turning movie mode on or off has had no effect on either.
Since I have nothing to compare to, I can't tell if I have SOE or not.
Also can't seem to get completely smooth motion no matter where I set motion enhancement.
Other than that, fairly uniform across the screen, and almost no clouding.
Setting CMS to the color steps on the AVS disc required almost no adjustment.
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