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post #2131 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by greeno View Post

can't get SOE to turn off? Are you using movie mode? This topic has come up before and only one person, IIRC, has said turning film mode off doesn't remove SOE.

Movie mode + film mode off + refresh (or whatever it's called ) set to off (not 120hz low, etc.) = no SOE, at least for me.

Yes sir, I've tried ALL modes, all configurations. I played with it for about 3 hours yesterday. I'm fed up with it. I have very little patience for this sort of thing. It shouldn't be some top secret squirrel handshake/call sign to get SOE to stop. I really do like the TV, but can't stand the SOE. It's going back.....
post #2132 of 2660
then you should return it, and I'm sorry a tv has gotten you so frustrated. on my set, SOE on is controlled by film mode being on. might you be seeing something else?
post #2133 of 2660
smooth motion is related to what resolutions you feed the set. for me, with cable, outputing 1080i to the display works. Another poster determined that passing 720p or 1080p60 is problematic wrt jerky motion, no matter what other display settings you adjust. bluray outputting native formats also works fine.
post #2134 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by greeno View Post

then you should return it, and I'm sorry a tv has gotten you so frustrated. on my set, SOE on is controlled by film mode being on. might you be seeing something else?

I wouldn't say I'm "so frustrated", you're suggesting I'm emotionally distressed? LOL. I am returning it. I just feel as if I shouldn't have to research for hours and jump through hoops to turn off certain features or change settings on my cable box to a less than optimal setting. I WANTED to like this TV, I just don't care for the SOE,or having to switch to game mode when the kiddo and I play the Wii, PS3, or the Xbox. Too inconvenient. I will say, the off axis viewing blows the Samsung TV out of the water.
post #2135 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by timmay77 View Post

3D is horrible.

Have you tried switching the 3D depth adjustment to Auto. It does wonders for the 3D. it's still not perfect (there's still some ghosting here and there) but it's far better than any of the manual adjustments since it keeps correcting itself on the fly.
post #2136 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by timmay77 View Post

3D is horrible.

Have you tried switching the 3D depth adjustment to Auto. It does wonders for the 3D. it's still not perfect (there's still some ghosting here and there) but it's far better than any of the manual adjustments since it keeps correcting itself on the fly.

I played with it a little bit, but the ghosting was pretty bad. The TV is now packed up waiting for pick up today. The new TV (Samsung 8000) will be delivered when the old one is picked up.

Thank you for the suggestion though.
post #2137 of 2660
My second 745 was just replaced with an 847. Hopefully the third set is the charm.
post #2138 of 2660


Did a quick dirty "calibration" using cggorman's numbers. Looks great.





My i1 III came 10 minutes ago.
post #2139 of 2660
I gave up, The jerky motion and controls that do nothing (movie mode and motion enhancement) were just too much.
IMHO, Sharp has some serious design and quality control issues.
So now Best Buy is sending me a Panasonic Viera 65" VT 50 model.
post #2140 of 2660
Watching hockey. 847 is much better on every level than the 745.

Took most of the day but I finally got my calman license, too late for tonight, I'll calibrate tomorrow.
post #2141 of 2660
Bought the 847OU despite some reservations afetr reading 40+ pages here....Got it for a good price.

Saw clouding when viewing the TV in the bottom right corner, and somewhat less in other areas.

Messed around with various AVS user settings...

Daytime, TV viewing is acceptable I guess as I really don't notice the clouding much.

Bought some BluRays, put in the Dark Knight rises and I am really thinking I may have to start a case with Sharp, it's to noticeable on this dark looking BluRay...Even after attempted adjustments.

I know some pages back it was detailed about what type and how many pics to take and send, suppose it's time to do some reading. Hope the process of returning/replacing this set isn't a hassle....

Pics shortly.
post #2142 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio View Post



Did a quick dirty "calibration" using cggorman's numbers. Looks great.





My i1 III came 10 minutes ago.

Does the 1st picture show a huge amount of clouding comparative to what others here are posting? And if so after doing a "Quick Calibration" it would appear in your following 2 pics that the clouding is non existent? Did you have to use "Pro" grade tools and "Software" to apply CGGOrmans numbers and settings? or did you just use the available software/menu's the TV comes with?

Im debating on if my clouding issues are bad enough to warrant a R/R....
post #2143 of 2660
That first picture is not typical of anything because there is *SO* much reflection that you can't really tell what's clouding and what is reflection. You can even see him there holding the camera. I wonder what other conditions in the room changed between pictures.

You don't need any pro tools for adding CGGorman's settings. You just do it from the menu. I'll repost them here because his posts were so long ago but everything from here on is his post.

Again, to give credit where due, all three of these were originally posted by CGGorman in the following posts:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/660#post_22071234
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/630#post_22063118
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/660#post_22065799

STANDARD MODE for normal daytime room lighting. it uses OPC so it works pretty good at various room brighness

I'm quite pleased with thiis calibration....


Model: LC-70LE847U
AV Mode: Standard
DAY TIME

OPC.......................On
Backlight ................+16
Contrast ................+31
Brightness...............+1
Color......................-3
Tint......................-5
Sharpness...............+1
Gamut ....................N/A
Motion Enhance........120 Hz High
Quad Pixel...............Standard
Active Contrast........Off
Gamma...................+2
Film Mode...............Off
Digital NR ................Off

CMS
HUE
R.....-4
Y.....+14
G.....-30
C.....+17
B.....-20
M.....-5

SATURATION
R.....+3
Y.....-15
G.....-30
C.....-30
B........0
M.....-30

VALUE
R.....-30
Y.....+2
G.....+17
C.....+21
B......+1
M.......0

COLOR TEMP
POS.....R..........G..........B
1.......+30.......+25......+30
2.......+10.......+7........-2
3.......-1.........-6........-20
4.......-10........-8........-27
5.......-14.......-12.......-30
6.......-13........-6........-30
7.......-13........-7........-30
8.......-10........-8........-28
9........-6........-5........-26
10......-4.........-1........-24


I'm considering this my "final" dark room calibration. Next up is a game calibration.

Model: LC-70LE847U
AV Mode: Movie
DARK ROOM

OPC.......................Off
Backlight ................+5
Contrast ................+36
Brightness...............+1
Color......................Zero
Tint.......................+4
Sharpness...............+2
Gamut ....................Standard
Motion Enhance........240 Hz
Quad Pixel...............Off
Active Contrast........Off
Gamma...................Zero
Film Mode...............Off
Digital NR ................Low

CMS
HUE
R.....-11
Y.....-4
G.....-19
C.....+3
B.....-22
M.....-22

SATURATION
R.....+2
Y.....-4
G.....-17
C.....-22
B.....+30
M.....-15

VALUE
R.....-8
Y.....+3
G.....+2
C.....0
B.....-11
M.....+2

COLOR TEMP
POS.....R..........G..........B
1.......-20.......-20......-20
2.......+30.........+30........+30
3.......+23.........+14.........+10
4.......+9.......+1.......-8
5.......+5.......0.......-11
6.......-2.......-5.......-19
7.......-4.......-6.......-26
8.......-1.......-5.......-20
9.......-6.......-2.......-15
10......-5.......-11.......-20

GAMING SETTINGS

I picked sRGB color space for the gamut along with video levels (16-235).
Max luminance is about 60 ftL and gamma is set to 2.0
Sharp seems to have locked in a wide gamut for this mode. I couldn't get the green color point dialed back quite enough to measure in-spec, but for video games I figure its more than close enough. Gran Turismo 5 looks good.

I sacrificed some black level for additional luminance at the bottom end. This is how my boys prefer it for darker games like Skyrim or Nazi Zombies

Since we play in all ambient lighting conditions, I thought I would try OPC. Seems to work OK so far.

Model: LC-70LE847U
AV Mode: Game

OPC.......................On
Backlight ................+10
Contrast ................+31
Brightness...............+4
Color......................Zero
Tint.......................Zero
Sharpness...............+2
Gamut ....................N/A
Motion Enhance........N/A
Quad Pixel...............Off
Active Contrast........Off
Gamma...................-2
Film Mode...............N/A
Digital NR ................Off
OPC Range..............-5 to +10
Color Temp..............Low

CMS
HUE
R.....-3
Y.....+12
G.....-30
C.....+3
B.....-30
M.....-5

SATURATION
R.....+25
Y.....-18
G.....-30
C.....-30
B.....+30
M.....-16

VALUE
R.....-20
Y.....Zero
G.....+30
C.....+30
B.....-10
M.....+1

COLOR TEMP
R Gain (LO) +14
G Gain (LO) +9
B Gain (LO) -9
R Gain (HI) -20
G Gain (HI) -20
B Gain (HI) -30
post #2144 of 2660
This set has very very little clouding and no flashlighting.


The room has a giant window under the 14' ceiling.



I have used nothing but the menu to calibrate it so far. I am waiting for it to warm up before I give my first go at calman with meter.
post #2145 of 2660
I appologize if this has been brought up before but couldn't the SOE issues people are experiencing be addressed with a firmware update? Anyone thought about writing Sharp in hopes for a firmware fix?
post #2146 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

That first picture is not typical of anything because there is *SO* much reflection that you can't really tell what's clouding and what is reflection. You can even see him there holding the camera. I wonder what other conditions in the room changed between pictures.

You don't need any pro tools for adding CGGorman's settings. You just do it from the menu. I'll repost them here because his posts were so long ago but everything from here on is his post.

Again, to give credit where due, all three of these were originally posted by CGGorman in the following posts:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/660#post_22071234
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/630#post_22063118
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1397140/official-sharp-aquos-lc-60le847u-lc-70le847u-owners-thread/660#post_22065799

STANDARD MODE for normal daytime room lighting. it uses OPC so it works pretty good at various room brighness

I'm quite pleased with thiis calibration....


Model: LC-70LE847U
AV Mode: Standard
DAY TIME

OPC.......................On
Backlight ................+16
Contrast ................+31
Brightness...............+1
Color......................-3
Tint......................-5
Sharpness...............+1
Gamut ....................N/A
Motion Enhance........120 Hz High
Quad Pixel...............Standard
Active Contrast........Off
Gamma...................+2
Film Mode...............Off
Digital NR ................Off

CMS
HUE
R.....-4
Y.....+14
G.....-30
C.....+17
B.....-20
M.....-5

SATURATION
R.....+3
Y.....-15
G.....-30
C.....-30
B........0
M.....-30

VALUE
R.....-30
Y.....+2
G.....+17
C.....+21
B......+1
M.......0

COLOR TEMP
POS.....R..........G..........B
1.......+30.......+25......+30
2.......+10.......+7........-2
3.......-1.........-6........-20
4.......-10........-8........-27
5.......-14.......-12.......-30
6.......-13........-6........-30
7.......-13........-7........-30
8.......-10........-8........-28
9........-6........-5........-26
10......-4.........-1........-24


I'm considering this my "final" dark room calibration. Next up is a game calibration.

Model: LC-70LE847U
AV Mode: Movie
DARK ROOM

OPC.......................Off
Backlight ................+5
Contrast ................+36
Brightness...............+1
Color......................Zero
Tint.......................+4
Sharpness...............+2
Gamut ....................Standard
Motion Enhance........240 Hz
Quad Pixel...............Off
Active Contrast........Off
Gamma...................Zero
Film Mode...............Off
Digital NR ................Low

CMS
HUE
R.....-11
Y.....-4
G.....-19
C.....+3
B.....-22
M.....-22

SATURATION
R.....+2
Y.....-4
G.....-17
C.....-22
B.....+30
M.....-15

VALUE
R.....-8
Y.....+3
G.....+2
C.....0
B.....-11
M.....+2

COLOR TEMP
POS.....R..........G..........B
1.......-20.......-20......-20
2.......+30.........+30........+30
3.......+23.........+14.........+10
4.......+9.......+1.......-8
5.......+5.......0.......-11
6.......-2.......-5.......-19
7.......-4.......-6.......-26
8.......-1.......-5.......-20
9.......-6.......-2.......-15
10......-5.......-11.......-20

GAMING SETTINGS

I picked sRGB color space for the gamut along with video levels (16-235).
Max luminance is about 60 ftL and gamma is set to 2.0
Sharp seems to have locked in a wide gamut for this mode. I couldn't get the green color point dialed back quite enough to measure in-spec, but for video games I figure its more than close enough. Gran Turismo 5 looks good.

I sacrificed some black level for additional luminance at the bottom end. This is how my boys prefer it for darker games like Skyrim or Nazi Zombies

Since we play in all ambient lighting conditions, I thought I would try OPC. Seems to work OK so far.

Model: LC-70LE847U
AV Mode: Game

OPC.......................On
Backlight ................+10
Contrast ................+31
Brightness...............+4
Color......................Zero
Tint.......................Zero
Sharpness...............+2
Gamut ....................N/A
Motion Enhance........N/A
Quad Pixel...............Off
Active Contrast........Off
Gamma...................-2
Film Mode...............N/A
Digital NR ................Off
OPC Range..............-5 to +10
Color Temp..............Low

CMS
HUE
R.....-3
Y.....+12
G.....-30
C.....+3
B.....-30
M.....-5

SATURATION
R.....+25
Y.....-18
G.....-30
C.....-30
B.....+30
M.....-16

VALUE
R.....-20
Y.....Zero
G.....+30
C.....+30
B.....-10
M.....+1

COLOR TEMP
R Gain (LO) +14
G Gain (LO) +9
B Gain (LO) -9
R Gain (HI) -20
G Gain (HI) -20
B Gain (HI) -30

Thanks for taking the time to post his settings I have already written them down and tried them along with various others settings, with good results.

I also realized there was a lot of reflection and light in that 1st picture so figured it wasn't an accurate representation of clouding, still thought I saw some though.

I will post pics tonight of my clouding and see what others think. In a dark room, with a movie that has a lot of black scenes, the clouding in the right lower left (When looking at TV) is bothersome. In daylight, with normal tv viewing, it's un-noticeable.

Ugh!@#$%^&*
post #2147 of 2660
No clouding, reflection from the window & apple logo on my MacBook.

I tried to use calman, It's a bit offputting. It does not tell you what panel from the disks it came with to use for the different tests nor what to change to make the changes it shows are needed.

I need to do more research apparently.

Where are these settings:

COLOR TEMP
POS.....R..........G..........B
1.......+30.......+25......+30
2.......+10.......+7........-2
3.......-1.........-6........-20
4.......-10........-8........-27
5.......-14.......-12.......-30
6.......-13........-6........-30
7.......-13........-7........-30
8.......-10........-8........-28
9........-6........-5........-26
10......-4.........-1........-24

I don't have 10 like that.
post #2148 of 2660
Under the "Color Temp" I believe you select 10Pt. scale to on...Then the first box below that has [Position#] in it, you can toggle this to the right to go through the 1-10 positions, you would select position number one, then go down and adjust the various R-G-B Levels, doing this 10 times for each position.
post #2149 of 2660
I was looking for a list with the full 10.

I feel dumb. Thanks!
post #2150 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio View Post

I was looking for a list with the full 10.

I feel dumb. Thanks!

I just got this set, and will be getting a Onkyo TX-NR809 AVR Friday, after reading 1878 Million Posts, Threads, Opinions, Setting Guides Excreta, I too feel REAL DUMB...
post #2151 of 2660
After reading, adjusting, re-adjusting, etc. I will be returning the set. I've used recommended settings & calibrated with calibration programs available on this site. This set is ok, but clouding on scenes in dark bluray & HD broadcasts is not a compromise I care to live with.

Understanding there are compromises with every set, it just strikes me as fundamentally wrong to invest in reasonably new technology & then spend hours researching how to defeat features in order to obtain the desired result. Further, with the 2013 sets rolling out I doubt there will be much investment in firmware updates going forward. Even those won't address issues inherent with edge lit sets or at least Sharp's.

I believe the set is now a close out & presents a good value for a big (70") screen if it meets your viewing requirements - it just isn't working for me.
post #2152 of 2660
Just in case, I wrote SHarp and linked this thread and the cnet review. Hopefully they'll inspire them to issue a firmware to address the frame interpolation issues.
post #2153 of 2660
I recall reading a post within this thread that detailed exactly what type of pictures Sharp wants of the clouding, it seemed like they wanted a lot of very specific pictures? And the process was a very detailed, long ordeal....For the life of me I cannot locate that post to start gathering the pictures I need in preparation of calling and starting a warranty/replacement claim, does anyone here know what Im looking for, or could point me in the right direction.....Im pretty sure I cannot lie with the minimal clouding I have.

Thanks.
post #2154 of 2660
Got calman to read but I am not sure what the readings want me to do to get in spec.

Uncorrected



Using the numbers from here.







post #2155 of 2660
^^^
Maybe this youtube video will help? Not sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mwphqjqcsg
post #2156 of 2660
Which version of CalMan do you have, e30cabrio?
post #2157 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

^^^
Maybe this youtube video will help? Not sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mwphqjqcsg

I had seen that video. I would have bought control (although it's freaking pricy) but it is incompatible with our TV per calman.

Thanks

Quote:
Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Which version of CalMan do you have, e30cabrio?

5 with basic license.

I am using control cal over my wireless network and getting good results so far. My big issue right now is getting the panel I need on the screen when calman wants them.

Thanks
post #2158 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by KTM300EXC View Post

I recall reading a post within this thread that detailed exactly what type of pictures Sharp wants of the clouding, it seemed like they wanted a lot of very specific pictures? And the process was a very detailed, long ordeal....For the life of me I cannot locate that post to start gathering the pictures I need in preparation of calling and starting a warranty/replacement claim, does anyone here know what Im looking for, or could point me in the right direction.....Im pretty sure I cannot lie with the minimal clouding I have.

Thanks.


You need to send pictures to AQUOSAdvantage@sharpsec.com

The pictures need to include a snapshot of your current settings, the pictures need to be actual content(viewing).

You will then be assigned a case #, it usually takes 2 days before you hear back.

I went through this a couple of times, they replaced my set(s), with no issue.

Good Luck.
post #2159 of 2660
Quote:
Originally Posted by e30cabrio View Post

5 with basic license.

I am using control cal over my wireless network and getting good results so far. My big issue right now is getting the panel I need on the screen when calman wants them.

Thanks

Thanks. I've been interested in getting CalMan 5 but am not sure which version to get. I see they have a "Tutorial" version that's supposed to walk you through the program step-by-step. I think that's the one for me but am not sure if I'll regret it later and wish I'd've gone for one of the more expensive versions.
post #2160 of 2660
Well, I managed to get some pics in a mostly totally dark environment. Pics include the screen when it is blank when selecting an input (HDMI) that has nothing connected to it, thus showing a totally black blank screen, the clouding seems severe when taking pics of this blank screen.

Some other pics include actual BluRay footage of The Dark Night Rises, the only real clouding I notice is in the bottom right of the screen, and really it's only noticeable when the display material (Shot) is a totally black scene, I don't seem to notice much clouding in other areas of the screen when playing dark looking movies, just that lower right corner. However now that I go back and view the pics I took, seems like I can see 3 distinct areas, WTF!@#$

I also took a pic or 2 when having the Picture Adjustment Menu up, though it seems to block out the clouding somewhat as it overlays it with brightly lit material.


In the pic of the Catwoman you can see 3 distinct areas of clouding, her glove, lower right neck and the right side of her forehead....WTF!@#$


So, what do you all say? What will Sharp say? Would you demand a replacement? Can someone point me in the direction of an outline of the process to go through with Sharp for a replacement/Warranty/Repair claim? I saw it somewhere but cannot find it.




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