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post #2551 of 2660
I was waiting for something to happen at work and did call sharp support and started a ticket on the active contrast issue with the 8470, i.e. that AC on does not crush whites, but AC off does - it's the opposite of what it should do. the claim is that the issue will be propagated at least one level beyond the first level CSR who took my call. i don't expect any follow-up whatsoever, but I've done what I can do. this weekend (or tonight) I'll try and calibrate game mode to see where it comes in. I did check and there's only a single grayscale point calibration which is also not optimal compared to the 10 point available on movie mode.
post #2552 of 2660
I put the meter on the set in game mode. The gamut's not crazy, but green is way out and not correctable. Grayscale is crazy bad and not correctable either and ends up with a linear variation from 10% to 100% with 100% nearly dead on balanced. At 10% it's off by plus 30%. With only 2 points to adjust I used 70-30. At 30% I needed -30 blue and could balance red and green, but with a 30% error. I've never seen anything like it. Oh all this was in low color temp which has the least blue.

As far as light output, I only could get 20ftL on a 100% field. Probably need active contrast on to get more light. contrast was set so that 252 was just visible . i could have turned contrast up, but it would have introduced clipping. Bottom line is this mode is not calibratable on the 8470.
post #2553 of 2660
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

I put the meter on the set in game mode. The gamut's not crazy, but green is way out and not correctable. Grayscale is crazy bad and not correctable either and ends up with a linear variation from 10% to 100% with 100% nearly dead on balanced. At 10% it's off by plus 30%. With only 2 points to adjust I used 70-30. At 30% I needed -30 blue and could balance red and green, but with a 30% error. I've never seen anything like it. Oh all this was in low color temp which has the least blue.

As far as light output, I only could get 20ftL on a 100% field. Probably need active contrast on to get more light. contrast was set so that 252 was just visible . i could have turned contrast up, but it would have introduced clipping. Bottom line is this mode is not calibratable on the 8470.

Thanks for trying, anyway. I really do appreciate it.

By the way, what meter and software do you use? Perhaps I can get the same of both and give it a shot on my 847U. Perhaps the panels are different enough that something could be done to achieve what I desire.

Again, thanks for all your help.
post #2554 of 2660
I’m having sync issues with three new components handshaking together (Sharp LC-70LE847U, Yamaha RX-A3020 & Oppo BDP-103) and don’t know which one or the combination that is causing my problem with sync. The audio is not matching what’s coming out of people’s mouth and much more noticeable with concerts. I’m posting this request for help in 3 threads for each component. Looking for user’s suggestions in their experiences finding a solution with various adjustments. My thanks in advance.
post #2555 of 2660
I have calman 5 and the oem d3
post #2556 of 2660
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

I have calman 5 and the oem d3

Do you mean c3 or is there an actual d3? I ask because I saw only the c3 on the Calman website.
post #2557 of 2660
It's the i1 display mate pro sold as an oem item by spectracal. its a d3 not the c3. I bought it last year. The meter and an upgrade in license allowed me to get calman 5 when it came out. I think it was like $400. Don't remember exactly.
post #2558 of 2660
With all the members of this board, some being ISF calibrators, is there no one who knows how to enter the service menu and disable the sub pixel. When the guy from best buy was out he said that was actually one of the things that needed to be done in order to do the calibration...but then again he started in the service menu and ended in USER so take that how you will.
post #2559 of 2660
What setting / adjustments will help with synching a lag in video as the audio is ahead. I'm using a OPPO 103. I have used the calibrations posted here and with a new AVR it's now out of sync. Thanks ....
post #2560 of 2660
These sets calibrate very nicely without disabling "the sub pixel", not sure what that is though. Anyone who says differently hasn't calibrated one.
Best,
Jeff
post #2561 of 2660
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

These sets calibrate very nicely without disabling "the sub pixel", not sure what that is though. Anyone who says differently hasn't calibrated one.
Best,
Jeff

Looking at the illustration provided by Sharp, it seems the "sub pixel" is just a yellow pixel half the size of a regular pixel. And to accommodate it on the panel they seem to have reduced the size of the green pixel as well. And everything I've read is that this new pixel configuration neither hurts nor helps the picture quality of the set, despite Sharp's claims.


Edited by RocShemp - 9/10/13 at 10:31am
post #2562 of 2660
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

These sets calibrate very nicely without disabling "the sub pixel", not sure what that is though. Anyone who says differently hasn't calibrated one.
Best,
Jeff

perhaps I used calibrate too loosely. since I do not have a colorimeter, when I say calibrate I am referring to popping in a disc and setting contrast, brightness, tint/color with a blue filter, and not changing anything in CMS. try doing that and see where your color/tint values are and how the picture looks. i can set it fine on my sony which is why im lead to believe the aquos 4th pixel is to blame. obviously all tv's benefit from a proper calibration and the proper equipment but I should be able to at least properly set tint and color with a disc like every other brand can without the added expense of colorimeters to adjust the cms first.
post #2563 of 2660
Hi Brahby,
I get what you're saying and agree. If you start in movie mode, you'll have a good chance of having a decent outcome. have you tried that?
post #2564 of 2660
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Originally Posted by greeno View Post

Hi Brahby,
I get what you're saying and agree. If you start in movie mode, you'll have a good chance of having a decent outcome. have you tried that?

Yes and with the color gamut at normal I get much better results, certainly much closer to the settings of the Sony (color down a few clicks, tint not very far off). The only reason I keep pursuing this though is trying to find a way to properly set the same settings (color/tint) in game mode without having to invest in a colorimeter because as I am sure anyone in this thread knows by now, playing games in anything other than game mode is not very favorable.
post #2565 of 2660
Game mode is hopeless to calibrate anywhere near the standard and I have a meter. You should use game mode for gaming and just set it so it's not objectionable.
post #2566 of 2660
Yeah I completely agree with you on that, although I believe someone recommended using 3d-Game for 3d movies earlier in this thread. Its just I can not really mirror the picture quality or reproduce the colors that I get from my Sony in game mode as well. Also my Sony is a completely inferior TV in every way to the Sharp. Its just the ease of getting the colors "accurate" on the Sony is making me loathe my Sharp at the moment.
post #2567 of 2660
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

Yeah I completely agree with you on that, although I believe someone recommended using 3d-Game for 3d movies earlier in this thread. Its just I can not really mirror the picture quality or reproduce the colors that I get from my Sony in game mode as well. Also my Sony is a completely inferior TV in every way to the Sharp. Its just the ease of getting the colors "accurate" on the Sony is making me loathe my Sharp at the moment.

If, like me, you don't have a meter, a good place to start is with CGGorman's Game Mode setting for his LC-70LE847U. I used that and then tweaked it for use one my LC-60LE847U.

It's not an ideal approach but it has worked for me. I'm particularly fond of my current revision to those settings:
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Model: LC-60LE847U

AV Mode: Game


OPC.......................Off

Backlight ................-12

Contrast ................+28

Brightness...............Zero

Color......................Zero

Tint.......................Zero

Sharpness...............Zero

Gamut ....................N/A

Motion Enhance........N/A

Quad Pixel...............Off

Active Contrast........Off

Gamma...................-2

Film Mode...............N/A

Digital NR ................Off

OPC Range..............-16 to +16

Color Temp..............Low


CMS

HUE

R.....-3

Y.....+12

G.....-30

C.....+16

B.....-30

M.....-5


SATURATION

R.....+11

Y......-18

G.....-30

C.....-30

B.....+30

M.....-16


VALUE

R.....-3

Y.....Zero

G.....+30

C.....+30

B.....-5

M.....+13


COLOR TEMP

R Gain (LO) +14

G Gain (LO) +9

B Gain (LO) -9

R Gain (HI) -20

G Gain (HI) -20

B Gain (HI) -30

Of course, YMMV.
Edited by RocShemp - 9/12/13 at 8:16pm
post #2568 of 2660
The only thing that I am not fond of when looking at that is the backlight being at -12. Without having tried it yet and doing all of my game playing in a well lit room, that seems ridiculously low.
post #2569 of 2660
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

The only thing that I am not fond of when looking at that is the backlight being at -12. Without having tried it yet and doing all of my game playing in a well lit room, that seems ridiculously low.

Feel free to adjust it at your pleasure. I do most of my gaming and movie watching in the dark. However, I'm perfectly comfortable doing the same during the day with the windows open (albeit not so open that light glares on the screen). I honestly don't like the backlight any brighter (especially since, to my eyes, colors like red look unnatural when I raise the backlight), unless I'm watching 3D content (in which case I have the backlight at -2). But, as I said before, YMMV.

In any case, such as before, I suggest you start with CGGorman's Game Mode setting and then adjust it to your liking from there.

For me, I found it useful to use the Color and Tint Red, Color and Tint Green, and Color and Tint Blue patterns on the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition disc

screenshot004-e1365740108306.png

with the aid of this color filter card:


Edited by RocShemp - 9/12/13 at 10:43pm
post #2570 of 2660
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Feel free to adjust it at your pleasure. I do most of my gaming and movie watching in the dark. However, I'm perfectly comfortable doing the same during the day with the windows open (albeit not so open that light glares on the screen). I honestly don't like the backlight any brighter (especially since, to my eyes, colors like red look unnatural when I raise the backlight), unless I'm watching 3D content (in which case I have the backlight at -2). But, as I said before, YMMV.

In any case, such as before, I suggest you start with CGGorman's Game Mode setting and then adjust it to your liking from there.

For me, I found it useful to use the Color and Tint Red, Color and Tint Green, and Color and Tint Blue patterns on the Spears & Munsil HD Benchmark 2nd Edition disc

screenshot004-e1365740108306.png

with the aid of this color filter card:


I actually just ordered that disc last night with a book I needed for school which both should be here today. Where can I get just the filter at?
post #2571 of 2660
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

I actually just ordered that disc last night with a book I needed for school which both should be here today. Where can I get just the filter at?

You can get the filter here.
post #2572 of 2660
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

You can get the filter here.

Thank you. You have been a huge help through all of this.

ummm $30.27 for shipping???
Edited by brahby - 9/13/13 at 9:53pm
post #2573 of 2660
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

ummm $30.27 for shipping???

Holy crap! Are you serious?! At that price, you might as well just order Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics which is a calibration BD that includes the color filter card (mine actually came with two). Although, I think the current price of $39.95 is excessive.

EDIT: You weren't kidding. Shipping is even worse if, like me, you live in Puerto RIco. The two options are International Economy $41.53 or International Priority $59.43. For a thin piece of cardboard that doesn't weigh anything remotely close to a pound?!
Edited by RocShemp - 9/13/13 at 11:10pm
post #2574 of 2660
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Holy crap! Are you serious?! At that price, you might as well just order Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics which is a calibration BD that includes the color filter card (mine actually came with two). Although, I think the current price of $39.95 is excessive.

Im going to call them Monday (unless they are open tomorrow) because there is no way that things costs 30 dollars to ship anywhere in the same country.
post #2575 of 2660
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

Im going to call them Monday (unless they are open tomorrow) because there is no way that things costs 30 dollars to ship anywhere in the same country.

Good idea. In the meantime, I looked through the DVE website and found the following that might help you:
Quote:
If needed, those who have purchased Digital Video Essentials can order a replacement filter from Scenic Labs.

Please click here to contact Scenic Labs.

It just takes you to a "contact us" page but perhaps you could write to them and get a far more reasonable price than that of the Spectral Cal website.


EDIT: I just noticed that link I sent you might not be as useful as I thought. Apparently they'll want the serial number of your DVE disc in order to send you replacement filter.

extra_filters.jpg

I thought you'd simply be able to buy filters from that other site. It seems I was wrong (although I'd ask them nonetheless)


EDIT #2: Found this extra bit of info at another thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

It took me a couple of HDD searches, but I finally found my information on the color filters for calibration use.


According to one of the AVIA calibration FAQs, their filter numbers are:

Deep Red Tricolor #29

Deep Green Tricolor #61

Deep Blue Tricolor #47B


The Lee Filter numbers, per another AVS forum thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post7217162), were identified by GetGray (you forgot, Scott
), and verified by Lee, via rwestly & Daryl L.


The correct Lee Filters (as of 2/28/06) are:

Tokyo Blue = #071

Primary Red = #106

Primary Green = #139

{NOTE: Lee's Tokyo Blue is their equivalent to the Kodak #47B, Deep Blue Tricolor.}

Edited by RocShemp - 9/13/13 at 11:38pm
post #2576 of 2660
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Good idea. In the meantime, I looked through the DVE website and found the following that might help you:
It just takes you to a "contact us" page but perhaps you could write to them and get a far more reasonable price than that of the Spectral Cal website.


EDIT: I just noticed that link I sent you might not be as useful as I thought. Apparently they'll want the serial number of your DVE disc in order to send you replacement filter.

extra_filters.jpg

I thought you'd simply be able to buy filters from that other site. It seems I was wrong (although I'd ask them nonetheless)


EDIT #2: Found this extra bit of info at another thread.

Thank you once again, youve been more than helpful. Quick question, have you ever ran any SBS or Over/Under 3d files through the USB of your TV. I was watching a trailer I downloaded that plays nice and smooth over my PC but in the Sharp usb it is "shakey" and hard to watch.
post #2577 of 2660
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Originally Posted by brahby View Post

Thank you once again, youve been more than helpful. Quick question, have you ever ran any SBS or Over/Under 3d files through the USB of your TV. I was watching a trailer I downloaded that plays nice and smooth over my PC but in the Sharp usb it is "shakey" and hard to watch.

No problem. Helping each other is what this community is for.

I've only used the USB of my TV to charge the 3D glasses. I didn't even think of playing any files through it. So I sadly cannot help you as I've no experience in that regard.
post #2578 of 2660

Curious if you found a solution to your problem.  I am having the same issue.

post #2579 of 2660
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Originally Posted by offshore1234 View Post

Curious if you found a solution to your problem.  I am having the same issue.


Are you asking me? In regards to the USB playback?
post #2580 of 2660
Sorry I am new. I was refering to the problem someone had with audio distortion.
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