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post #421 of 2429
5/8/12 at 6:57am
Spent last night rebuilding my CalMAN workflow to better suit me and the Sharp. Untilled now I had been using the basic, built-in workflow and it was a bit clunky for me.

Anyway, I don't have any kids this week or weekend so I've set a goal to rebuild my day, night, and game calibrations using my new knowledge. These will be far more refined than my previous ones. I will post up the numbers as I get them.
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post #422 of 2429
5/8/12 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by CGGorman View Post

Spent last night rebuilding my CalMAN workflow to better suit me and the Sharp. Untilled now I had been using the basic, built-in workflow and it was a bit clunky for me.

Anyway, I don't have any kids this week or weekend so I've set a goal to rebuild my day, night, and game calibrations using my new knowledge. These will be far more refined than my previous ones. I will post up the numbers as I get them.

So you are not changing the ISF modes that chad set for you, but you are going to calibrate "movie or game" mode with your new knowledge? Is that correct?
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post #423 of 2429
5/8/12 at 7:30am
Correct. The ISF modes are locked down tighter than a whale's bum.
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post #424 of 2429
5/8/12 at 7:54am
CGGorman, I just wanted to thank you for all of your posts. They are very informative. I purchased the LC-70LE847U because of this thread, what a great TV.

I agree this set can more or less ruin a good movie, if you look too closely at the amount of detail which it can display. I find the motion can be a little hard to follow though. I suppose I need a good calibration.

Thanks again for posting so much great info!
-Skybolt
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post #425 of 2429
5/8/12 at 8:00am
:-) I just hope what I post is helpful and accurate. So many here (AVS) have helped me over the years without knowing it. I'm glad I finally have an opportunity to give some back.
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post #426 of 2429
5/8/12 at 8:41am
Cg your updates have been very helpful and informative. I have been reading this thread because I have a samsung un55d8000y and even though it was their flagship last year, I can't seem to be totally accepting of it. A lot of flashlight and bleed and I think bad input lag. I've read hardly any complaints on here about these problems. Maybe just a little clouding which can be fixed with a paint roller?! Who knew. I know this is still a new set but how would you guys compare it to a Sammy like this? I think most people will tell you sharp can't beat samsung but I'm starting to think people just get caught up in samsungs fantastic aesthetics
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post #427 of 2429
5/8/12 at 9:18am
I looked at both Sharp and Samsung and Sony. I really wanted the Sony but at almost twice the price for a 65 inch I passed. Between Samsung and Sharp I choose the Sharp because of size and price and I am happy but for some clouding.

I am very interested to see some experiments with this paint roller and wonder if doing so would void the warranty.
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post #428 of 2429
5/8/12 at 11:03am
This may be a stupid question but has anybody spoken to Sharp about the clouding issue? It seems to be rather prevalent and Sharp has actually replaced some sets. Why can't they engineer this problem out of the display? They can make an 80" full array 3D display and the much ballyhooed Elite but they are stumped by clouding?
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post #429 of 2429
5/8/12 at 11:14am
I'm sure these sets are engineered to a price point...unlike the Elites. Sandwitch the crystal layer between two sheets of heavy glass and clouding is a thing of the past...and the weight goes up 20 pounds along with the cost. Internal bracing to prevent sag...$...low iron content for better color and light transmittance...$...a satin finish to minimize reflections...more $

Pick your poison situation... :-)
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post #430 of 2429
5/8/12 at 11:47am
Yes every company is looking for ways to cut cost and make their products cheaper to sell, some of them will even cut quality to make an extra buck because most people out there that buy new TV's have never heard of AVS and just go pick one out that looks good in the store, they never do any research, this in return allows the TV companies to do what they do, cut cost, cut quality and up production. I'm sure every panel installed in the factory is not "torqued" in place the same everytime, thats how you come up with screen informities.

I think Sharp does a pretty good job and they seem to be one of the best to work with when you do get a bum panel.
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post #431 of 2429
5/8/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by maximuslcd View Post


I think Sharp does a pretty good job and they seem to be one of the best to work with when you do get a bum panel.

++11oo
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post #432 of 2429
5/8/12 at 12:01pm
This is where I bite my tongue on low-cost manufacturing locations and financial/political manipulation...
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post #433 of 2429
5/8/12 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by CGGorman View Post

I'm sure these sets are engineered to a price point...unlike the Elites. Sandwitch the crystal layer between two sheets of heavy glass and clouding is a thing of the past...and the weight goes up 20 pounds along with the cost. Internal bracing to prevent sag...$...low iron content for better color and light transmittance...$...a satin finish to minimize reflections...more $

Pick your poison situation... :-)

So is sandwiching the crystal between two layers of glass the only solution? I just wondered if anybody asked Sharp why the clouding issue is present. If you complained enough to Sharp that they replaced your set it would seem logical to ask why the problem exists or at least why the problem seems random. or is it random? It seems some here say they do not see clouding.
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post #434 of 2429
5/8/12 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

So is sandwiching the crystal between two layers of glass the only solution? I just wondered if anybody asked Sharp why the clouding issue is present. If you complained enough to Sharp that they replaced your set it would seem logical to ask why the problem exists or at least why the problem seems random. or is it random? It seems some here say they do not see clouding.

These are new style of design being a 2nd generation of Edge lite LED panels , Sharp had a big problems with the 1st gen edge lit LED models 2 years ago, so there are issues that will crop up in the process of any new manufacturing procedures . If one has clouding then speak-up & get a replacement Now. That would be the best way to proceed if one has an issue with these displays .
Remember that all the 70" panels last year were back lighted array , while not a full array like on the 80"ers
( Not a Full LED coverage back array is the reason that some 2011's 70'ers had slight darkening in the corners )
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post #435 of 2429
5/8/12 at 3:35pm
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Gotcha, I'm not sure if it's my eyes ( I wear glasses, and my prescription is about 1.5 years old ) or not, but I seem to get cross talk on the middle ball in the sharp built in 3D demo. Tried with two pairs of the AN-DG20 glasses ( if that's the proper model ).

Could you share the GT5 settings once you get them? Thanks. Also, I found in the manual of the description for the different AquoMotion settings. Seems very interesting.


AquoMotion480: Turn the LED backlight on or off for 240Hz drive display.
AquoMotion240: Turn the LED backlight on or off for 120Hz drive display.
120Hz High/120Hz Low: For obtaining a clearer image.
Off: Normal Image.

Page 30 on the C8470U manual.

Guys with the regular 847U, could you check it out and see what it says?

Could anyone help comment on this post I made on Page 14? After watching some more 3D, and some minor tweaks, I've gotten crosstalk down to be only noticeble in certain scenes if I look for it. But clouding in the dark scenes I can notice the uniformity easily

Also, is vyper drive removed from the 2012 series, or is there a menu option where I can access it.

Settings: http://imgur.com/MNCcf,CpzeV#0

This picture is just about half a stop more exagerated than reality.

http://imgur.com/MNCcf,CpzeV#1

f.5.6 4second ISO 1000 @ 32MM on a 16-35

Here's a freeze frame of a Happy Feet 2:

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post #436 of 2429
5/8/12 at 3:49pm
Sorry if this has been covered, but has anyone used this as a full time PC or HTPC Monitor?
If so have there been any Burn In Issues? I'm considering a Sharp 70LE847U but not sure how much of a Leap it would be in PQ over my current Samsung 6767W DLP. The 6767W has Excellent Black levels & really good viewing angles How is the Viewings Most Important Burn-In is NA.

Thanks For Your Time
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post #437 of 2429
5/8/12 at 4:33pm
Just for the heck of it I e-mailed Sharp Customer Service and asked about the clouding issue and mentioned that some professional calibrators have turned off the Quad Pixel as well as using 120hz on the 847. Here is the response from Travis T.
The unit is calibrated straight from the factory and tested. However it is a personal customer preference if they wish to have the unit calibrated by a 3rd party. The Quatron technology using the 4th color would not be the cause of the clouding of the picture itself. Granted again that both the device and the TV may contribute to the issue with certain features, the feature that most likely cause the issue is the "Film Mode" feature under the "Advanced Picture" menu. This feature automatically detects a film-based source (originally encoded at 24 frames/second), analyzes it then recreates each still frame for high-definition picture quality. Turning the "Film Mode" off would let the signal source come through without alteration. I asked about the 745 vs 847. He responded, The only 2 differences is the Quatron 4th color and the 240hz Aquamotion.
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post #438 of 2429
5/8/12 at 4:44pm
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Sorry if this has been covered, but has anyone used this as a full time PC or HTPC Monitor?
If so have there been any Burn In Issues? I'm considering a Sharp 70LE847U but not sure how much of a Leap it would be in PQ over my current Samsung 6767W DLP. The 6767W has Excellent Black levels & really good viewing angles How is the Viewings Most Important Burn-In is NA.

Thanks For Your Time

There shouldn't be any burn in issues with the latest LCD panels. I've seen no dead pixels on mine, but there is clouding issues. It really depends on what you're using it for. For pure movie and 3D, I would suggest going elsewhere, but a great all around and natural color producing set, I would highly recommend the 847U.

edit: just saw that you want it as a full time PC and HTPC. For that, I see no reasons to not go with one, comparing this set to all the other sammy's I've seen, I enjoy the color on sharp's quattron panels much better. I'm simply not found of the overly saturated and blown highlights that some people like. I prefer natural colors and smooth gradients. ( Photographer )
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post #439 of 2429
5/8/12 at 5:05pm
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This is where I bite my tongue on low-cost manufacturing locations and financial/political manipulation...

you wouldn't be talking about companies that have panel manufacturing facilities in places like.......malaysa would you....
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post #440 of 2429
5/8/12 at 5:06pm
Has anyone else experienced an audio issue where the audio cuts out when changing channels with an external STB on HDMI with these models? Running latest firmware, it's definitely the TV and not the STB. Changing the input on the TV to something else and back "fixes" the no audio, but it's highly annoying.

Edit: looks like Sharp website has 260U firmware, but auto update reports 253U is latest...

Edit2: Updated firmware via USB, will report back about audio issue in a week or two.
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post #441 of 2429
5/8/12 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by Cookiesowns View Post

There shouldn't be any burn in issues with the latest LCD panels. I've seen no dead pixels on mine, but there is clouding issues. It really depends on what you're using it for. For pure movie and 3D, I would suggest going elsewhere, but a great all around and natural color producing set, I would highly recommend the 847U.

edit: just saw that you want it as a full time PC and HTPC. For that, I see no reasons to not go with one, comparing this set to all the other sammy's I've seen, I enjoy the color on sharp's quattron panels much better. I'm simply not found of the overly saturated and blown highlights that some people like. I prefer natural colors and smooth gradients. ( Photographer )

Thanks for the fast reply& helpful info!

I currently have the above mentioned 67" DLP & just purchased in January a Samsung Plasma PN64D7000. While the Plasma's Color Detail & PQ is astounding for Movies or just about anything DO NOT even think about using the PN64D7000 as a Full Time PC Display.

This may be a crazy question but do you guys happen to know how the 70LE847U & PN64D700 would compare for Blu-Ray & 3D Performance? In case anyone is wandering yes the new plasmas are still prone to Burn-In & Not just with PC use but even TV-Network Logos. From reading this thread the 70LE847U appears to be an almost too good too be true value. Incredible Bang For Buck Performance!
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post #442 of 2429
5/8/12 at 9:55pm
Thread Starter 
I use my 80" Sharp for a Windows 7 desktop all the time , it's really cool ,
been using my 60" Sharp as a PC monitor as well .. works great ..
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post #443 of 2429
5/9/12 at 3:15am
Hey,

Does anyone know if you can swap eyes for the 3D on the sharps or not. Just got a Full SBS movie, but the eyes are reversed
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post #444 of 2429
5/9/12 at 7:48am
Haven't looked in depth at the 3D settings yet, but I don't recall seeing that. I know I can swap eyes at my HTPC player, though. (PowerDVD 11 thru a Nvidia GT430.)
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post #445 of 2429
5/9/12 at 9:11am
For a full time computer monitor, I'd suggest looking at a RGB panel. The diagonal arrangement of the subpixels in the quattron aren't ideal for text and 2D desktop work. In my opinion. Turning on the quad pixel advanced helps some but it reduces sharpness slightly.

You might try dumping a screenshot of your favorite application onto a thumb drive and plug it inTo various sets at the showroom to see which handles your content best at your viewing distance.

Mine is a full time HTPC and works great except with desktop/application text. XBMC frontend looks great. Actual PC work.at 13' can be a bit sketchy with small text. Love my Rii mini keyboard, tho. Viewing angles aren't effected by input, so they are the same as that noted by others early in the thread: average for the tech.
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post #446 of 2429
5/9/12 at 2:17pm
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Originally Posted by CGGorman View Post

For a full time computer monitor, I'd suggest looking at a RGB panel. The diagonal arrangement of the subpixels in the quattron aren't ideal for text and 2D desktop work. In my opinion. Turning on the quad pixel advanced helps some but it reduces sharpness slightly.

You might try dumping a screenshot of your favorite application onto a thumb drive and plug it inTo various sets at the showroom to see which handles your content best at your viewing distance.

Mine is a full time HTPC and works great except with desktop/application text. XBMC frontend looks great. Actual PC work.at 13' can be a bit sketchy with small text. Love my Rii mini keyboard, tho. Viewing angles aren't effected by input, so they are the same as that noted by others early in the thread: average for the tech.

Awesome, that's actually quite useful to know. I'm building a dedicated HTPC very soon, but I'm wondering if you can get HDMI v1.4 without the Nvidia IR emitter using 3D TV Play to this set?
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post #447 of 2429
5/9/12 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Powerage View Post

Thanks for the fast reply& helpful info!

I currently have the above mentioned 67" DLP & just purchased in January a Samsung Plasma PN64D7000. While the Plasma's Color Detail & PQ is astounding for Movies or just about anything DO NOT even think about using the PN64D7000 as a Full Time PC Display.

This may be a crazy question but do you guys happen to know how the 70LE847U & PN64D700 would compare for Blu-Ray & 3D Performance? In case anyone is wandering yes the new plasmas are still prone to Burn-In & Not just with PC use but even TV-Network Logos. From reading this thread the 70LE847U appears to be an almost too good too be true value. Incredible Bang For Buck Performance!

It depends. Do you know if you prefer plasma's or LCD's? I know my eyes like LCD's much better than Plasma's. It's really user-preference. For me though, the 847U wasn't that big of a step-up from our XV545U, but the 3D is awesome.

It's actually one of the rare sets in which I don't get any discomfort when watching 3D. Movie Theater, some Sony EX sets, and LG passive 3D.
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post #448 of 2429
5/9/12 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

Just for the heck of it I e-mailed Sharp Customer Service and asked about the clouding issue and mentioned that some professional calibrators have turned off the Quad Pixel as well as using 120hz on the 847. Here is the response from Travis T.
The unit is calibrated straight from the factory and tested. However it is a personal customer preference if they wish to have the unit calibrated by a 3rd party. The Quatron technology using the 4th color would not be the cause of the clouding of the picture itself. Granted again that both the device and the TV may contribute to the issue with certain features, the feature that most likely cause the issue is the "Film Mode" feature under the "Advanced Picture" menu. This feature automatically detects a film-based source (originally encoded at 24 frames/second), analyzes it then recreates each still frame for high-definition picture quality. Turning the "Film Mode" off would let the signal source come through without alteration. I asked about the 745 vs 847. He responded, The only 2 differences is the Quatron 4th color and the 240hz Aquamotion.

So very funny, not once do they answer the question about clouding in the way we need to know about it. Are they trained to ignore this question, which they probably get asked 100 times a day.
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post #449 of 2429
5/9/12 at 4:07pm
I have heard so many good things about Sharp service but after reading an answer like that I am concerned.
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post #450 of 2429
5/9/12 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by papi4baby View Post


I got my TV not too long ago and i had the audio and video sync issue with the TV native Netflix app watching Atlas Shurgged (sp).

It was more apparent half way into the movie and towards the end.

I did not notice it with the PS3 via HDMI watching lucking number slevin.

I did the switch of my inputs and now HDMI 1 (ACR) is my receiver and HDMI 2 is my Verizon FIOS. It seems this has corrected my lip sync issue? It does not make any sense to me? HDMI 1 is what I watch movies on, through my receiver. I have not noticed any issues while watching movies, but have not had a chance to watch a full movie. My software is up to date. If I notice any more lip sync issues, Sharp told me to call back. It seems to be challenging discussion with them as they all have different answers. What I did find out from Sharp, is that they would send a technician to my house. If the input swap does not fix my problem. I will update if any more lip sync issues arise.
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