Official Sharp AQUOS LC-60LE847U & LC-70LE847U Owners Thread - Page 26

Yes, update the firmware and you will be good.
The firmware is old on these sets.

This is exactly my question even though I doubt the 65VT50 has been out long enough for anybody to have switched to the 745/847. I actually think the 65ST50 or 65GT50 would be a better comparison. Owners of both brands have expressed a few concerns but also great love for their display. I think that these two models will garner way above average customer loyalty numbers.

Hi All - So just got my replacement TV from Sharp. My place is pretty bright, so haven't had a chance to assess the clouding situation. Also, noticed that the TV was sitting on its side in the delivery truck (wasn't happy about that).

I've been reading a lot about the paint roller method, and it appears as though some users have had success. Some have said that they've eliminated clouding entirely using this method. Can someone who has used the method post a step-by-step or some 'best practices' when applying the method?

Still unable to make the wi-fi connection. Talked to Sharp and the guy was surprised and said to reset the router and then reset the TV. I did both, no luck.

Anybody having similar issues? Ideas?

Yeah, I figured it would be hard to find someone who has switched back and forth just yet...or who is as crazy as I am when it comes to buying and returning TVs

I really want a 70 inch display, and the 847 seems to be the only option besides the Elite. Not sure if the picture on the Elite warrants a 6k or higher price tag though..will have to make a choice here soon

Nice thread here..

I spent several hours today looking at 3 of the Sharp 60" tvs:

8470 at Costco
845 at Best Buy
Elite at Best Buy Magnolia

Here are my observations:

8470:
- good smart tv options (demo'd by sharp regional sales rep)
- 3d was good but I experienced pretty bad ghosting (lighting?)
- colors were good
- no clouding, flashlighting, or bleeding

845:
- smart tv options were less than 8470 (firmware?)
- 3d was very good, but still experienced ghosting on one movie
- colors were much better than 8470
- very good black level
- no clouding, flashlighting, or bleeding

elite:
- did not try smart tv options
- incredible 3d picture quality, much more fluid and colorful than other sets
- best blacks I've ever saw on lcd/led
- very good contrast even in 3d mode
- no visible defects in picture quality



Source was a Tvix Cafe HD N1 that I brought in the store with about a dozen 3d SBS 1080p encodes on it. The same source was used for all tvs. The elite did have power going through a power conditioner rather than building power.


The ghosting really bugged me on the 8470 and 845. The 845 was significantly better with it really only showing on one movie. Interesting tidbit that I tested on the 845 was that ghosting was visible and noticable even with the glasses in 2d mode. I did not test this on the 8470 but wish I would have. I wonder if the 845 was configured better by Best Buy compared to the Costco 8470. The lighting was worse in Costco than in Best Buy with Magnolia having the best lighting environment for the Elite. Has anyone noticed ghosting on 3d content on these sets? Were you able to fix it? I spent 30 minutes trying to remove it on the 845 via menu settings (film mode, av mode, 3d brightness control, 3d depth control, 3d av mode, etc). I'm hoping there is a firmware update to help with this or that it can be removed via settings somehow.

The glasses were great, using the same model for all 3 tvs. The 2d switch is nice for those who do not like 3d. The glasses looked best on the Elite tv by far. It was honestly the best 3d I've saw on any tv including my friends with the high end panasonic plasmas. I did not notice any flickering in the glasses on any of the tvs. The 845 was touchy once, losing sync with the tv at a wider viewing angle. I did not experience this with the 8470, but Best Buy had the tvs much closer to each other so that might have played a part in this.

I spoke with the regional Sharp rep who was at Costco promoting their tvs today. I drilled him with questions for the better part of an hour. Some interesting comments:

- there is no 9 series tv coming out this year, it has been cancelled
- the only new sharp tv coming this year is the 90" with a street msrp around 10k and expected street price around 8k
- there is no limit of 6 pair of active 3d glasses per tv, he has demo'd product in a room with 50 users all sync'd to the same sharp tv with no issues
- all 3 tvs use the same 3d glasses
- he recommended the logitech k800 keyboard for wireless surfing on the 8470
- all 3 tvs will work with many brands of high def usb cameras for skype, he recommended logitech for a cheaper alternative to the sharp suggested camera
- I asked about clouding and he said that it was partially due to shipping issues as well as handling of the tvs after they are bought. All tvs are tested when manufactured to avoid this. He was not aware of major clouding issues with the 845 or 8470 and made a comment that they are much better than last years models.
- He said he did not believe the 735 was going to be discontinued, or at least that has not been communicated to the reps as of the last meeting.
- He said the elite tv was a different quality than the others and because of that has a much higher price tag. He also made comments about features between models referred to as "best non-elite model feature".
- There is a new line of elite tvs coming in 2013. He was not able to tell me the new features as it wasn't public knowledge yet, but they have been briefed and trained on them already.
- Comparing the 8470 to the 845, he said the 8470 has a better motion controller in it supporting 480hz. He explained the tech behind it and it sounded like it wasn't true 480hz but an added feature to try and smooth out the picture. The 8470, 847, and 845 were basically all the same tv inside with the major difference being the motion controller hardware. The 8470 had newer software features as well. He said the 8470 was the best of the bunch and said the Costco warranty was a nice feature compared to other retailers.

Looking at the picture, the 845 was better than expected reading this thread prior to looking at the tvs in depth. The 845 had brand new glasses that they opened for me to demo the tv. I was honestly expecting more from the 8470 today but didn't really see it. The lighting was pretty poor at Costco and the glasses were dirty so I'm sure that didn't help.

In terms of pricing, both the 8470 and 845 were the same sale price today. I won't put it in the thread here as that should go in the subforum. Best Buy offered 3 years zero interest financing and double rewardzone points. Costco has a 2 year warranty with the option of adding a 3 year squaretrade warranty on for just under $100. Costco will not double the warranty if purchased with an AMEX card. That offer is no longer valid. I asked the tv rep, the checkout cashier, and at the customer service desk. Opening a new Costco AMEX gives 6 months zero interest financing and 1% cash back. Both vendors were including 2 pair of 3d glasses for free.

The elite.. well its more than double the price for the same size. The picture was noticably better. The 3d was smoother, brigher, and way more colorful, with amazing blacks. If I could have received better pricing on the elite today I would have bought it, but the price is so much higher I did not do so.

Several reviews already talk about the great 2d quality of these 8 series tvs. I wanted to give my feedback on 3d and ask about ghosting. If I could eliminate that I'm in for sure. Right now I'm unsure which model to get. I'm leaning towards the 8470 based on feedback in this thread plus better warranty options via Costco. Adding a Best Buy warranty up to 4 years inhome puts the price higher than Cosco with Squaretrade 5 years. Is inhome 4 year better than 5 year remote service? For some it probably is. I had inhome 4 year service and had a tech out once who said the tv was great and left (Sharp D93U 65" calibrated by Best Buy). In hindsight, the high price I paid for it was a waste, but I never had any major issues that needed it. The Sharp rep strongly suggested extended warranty regardless of where the tv was purchased.

Hey Guys! I am a Samsung fan but considering this TV over the comparable Sammy as the Sharp looked much better at Best Buy (854 model).

I am looking at possibly buying online to save a few hundred bucks, should I avoid this and buy at Costco or Sears in case I need to return for clouding or something??

Thanks for the assistance!!

I think I'll go local because I'm worried about clouding issues with the 845 or8470 as well as the 3d ghosting. I need to check on Costco's return policy yet. Best Buy said they would have to send one of their geek squad repair techs to the house to evaluate and try to fix the tv before they would replace it. The Sharp tech said the Aquos support team could remotely diagnose an issue and if the set had clouding problems they could issue an order to return it to the place of purchase for a replacement.

If I were to go online, I'd probably check Cleveland Plasma as they have been recommended in several threads I've read here. East Coast TVs has some bad feedback even though they have good online pricing.

My neighbor is also looking at a sharp tv, but a 70". I'll probably try and hook up with him today and see if he wants to make a Best Buy/Costco run to look at them together. He has a truck so we could transport them back upright.

I would buy local. I bought one of the new Sony XBR929s from Amazon on a great deal, but was very unhappy with the banding and overall PQ. It was no fun waiting for Pilot to schedule an appointment and having to take a day off to be there when they came. Everything went smoothly and I got my money back, but I had to wait and what a hassle it was. I like being able to see what I am getting first. Maybe you can pick up on something about the TV you like or dislike in person that you wouldn't get a chance to otherwise. And yes make sure to stand upright during transport!

Great forum for a great tv. Bought the 60 inch 845 from Best Buy and just love it. I was wondering if anyone knows the calibration settings on the Dynamic (Fixed) av mode. I like this setting for watching bluerays but the only thing is the jitterness of frames that is present in some scenes (is this what's called the soap opera effect?). It's most likely the film mode and motion rate but I can't know for sure because the calibrations are locked. Also, I just can't get the other calibrations right to match the picture quality while doing it through User av mode. Any help would be appreciated.

You will not be able to get a properly calibrated picture using Dynamic fixed. The AV mode movie is a better place to start with picture adjustments. Odds are high, when you were setting it up, you left it in store mode - or it is in demo mode.

I just received the latest issues of Home Theater Magazine and Sound & Vision Magazine. They both reviewed the Panasonic 55ST50. Home Theater Mag seemed to like it better which makes me wonder how much difference there may be within any specific model. HT was impressed with the 3D and S&V was not. Since we're talking about the Panny 65 " vs" the Sharp 70" These reviews are making me lean towards the Sharp 70" 847. Earlier in this thread a poster had his 847 calibrated by Chad B. Interestingly enough Chads final tweak consisted of his turning off the 847's Quad feature and using 120hz high as opposed to the 847's 240hz setting. This makes me wonder if the LE745 (120hz and no Quad) might not be the more logical choice over the LE847.

Thanks for the quick response. I'm using CGGorman's settings for movie (when watching at night), video games, and standard but I really like how the Dynamic (fixed) picture looks, especially when watching a blueray during the daytime. Just wanted to know what the settings (contrast, color, sharpness, c.m.s. hue, etc.) were and then play around with the film mode and motion enhancement to see if it would eliminate the jitterness that happens in some frames while watching a blueray.

So my replacement has some clouding, albeit not as bad as the previous. It's concentrated on the upper left quadrant of the tv. I'm pretty disappointed. Any clue what I should do next?

Also, those of you who are reporting that you saw various models in stores and that they do not have clouding, are you viewing them in complete darkness with a dark image? For me, that's the only way I can tell if there's any clouding.

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Costco 8470 tomorrow. I spoke with AMEX today and the way the warranty works is this:

1yr Sharp manufacturer warranty
2yr Costco TV warranty (overlaps Sharp on year1)
3yr extended warranty ($99 addon)

The AMEX purchase of the TV adds the length of the manufacturer warranty after the warranty from the place of purchase (2yr) and after any extended warranty bought at the time of the purchase (3yr). So the AMEX purchase adds 1 year of warranty after the extended warranty runs out. So using an AMEX for purchase with the extended warranty covers the set for 6 years. Claims would have to be filed with AMEX for problems in the last year. I spoke with the department that handles the claims not the generic AMEX agents. The initial AMEX agents couldn't answer my specific questions about how the warranty was handled and transferred me to the warranty department which was a different number (1-800-225-3750).

I need to verify the Costco return policy if I have issues with clouding or really bad ghosting/crosstalk in 3D.

Rather than strapping the tv in the bed of my neighbors truck, we're going to put it inside his minivan. The rear seats fold flat and it should slide right between the 2nd row captain chairs. Height, length, and width are all good.

For those interested in the 845 or 8470, here are the box measurements for both for the 60" tv:

845 (Best Buy)

length - 10 in
width - 64 in
height - 39 in

8470 (Costco)

length - 9.25 in
width - 63 in
height - 37.75 in

As for the clouding comments in the last post...

I have a Sharp lcd 65" d93u model tv. The main concern with that model at the time was banding. Luckily my d93u has no banding at all horizontally or vertically. I do however have clouding on the set. One thing I did to improve this about 2 years ago was to remove my theather quality surge strip and replace it with a Monster power conditioner. This removed about 75% of the clouding I saw on the tv. I was shocked that this was the case, but it was a noticable improvement. Something to keep in mind for those with issues instead of the paint roller. I still notice it from time to time, but it doesn't bother me that much. Maybe if the clouding was more in the center of the screen I'd have a bigger issue with it.

I'm hoping the 8470 won't have any. For testing in the stores (2 best buys, 1 costco) I was using both the sharp menu's (black background) and my tvix input source menu (black background) as well as movie content with a mostly grey background. This should have revealed the clouding. It's most evident on my d93u with a very dark background or a darker grey background. Movies like Master and Commander in the dark scenes are a good check. I didn't specifically look at the tvs with that content, but I didn't notice anything. Mind you, all store areas with the exception of the magnolia area where the elites were had overhead lighting that was quite poor for tv viewing.

^ lol

Just bought the LC-70LE847U from Costco and wondering if anyone has how best to calibrate it. Are there any calibration settings or recommendations for this tv?

thx,

SW

Says mpinlacm:

" Great forum for a great tv. Bought the 60 inch 845 from Best Buy and just love it. I was wondering if anyone knows the calibration settings on the Dynamic (Fixed) av mode. "

That setting is VERY Blue...

None of the default settings are close to accurate, but Dynamic is waaaay out there.
You might try a few other settings in an effort to at least get closer to accurate color.

I too am leaning toward the 847 over the Panny...I want those extra inches and need something that can handle the bright room I have. I thought about that thread from CGorman, and I think I will take the extra features..In my home it may look good. Having owned several displays over the last few years I have learned that it comes down to the room and the viewers eyes...might as well have the extra options available.

Just to darn many choices. At least they are all good choices. My viewing room can be made very very dark even here in Arizona. Here's a problem I bet you don't have. My wife prefers the 80" 632. OMG, my wife wants the 80". Neither of us care all that much about 3D but I'd rather have it than not. Not to mention the 80" is more $$$$.

Pulled the trigger on the 8470 today. I got the 60" I'm still playing with it. I haven't noticed any clouding yet, but I'll test later when its darker outside.

I do however have crosstalk/ghosting in 3d mode as I saw in the store. I updated to the latest firmware and that made no difference. It's most noticable on Sammy's Adventure and Happy Feet 2. I've tried two models of glasses with no difference between them. FYI.. the set comes with the elite model AN-3DG20-EL glasses (2pair).

This is the more expensive Sharp 3d glasses. I also tried the cheaper AN-3DG20-B. The glasses are basically the same and I see no visual advantage to the elite model yet.

More testing to be done yet.. any advice on the crosstalk/ghosting would be greatly appreciated.

My experience with crosstalk speaks to looking at the source hardware/software for convergence controls of some type.

The same source and cabling worked fine on the Elite with no crosstalk.

I'm using CGGormans movie settings(for watching movies at night), video game settings, and standard settings. When I have guests over I like to put on a blue ray and set it to Dynamic (fixed) because it gives them that "wow" factor but I also like using Dynamic (fixed) when watching movies during the day with a lot of natural light coming in to my house. When I have friends over they are in awe of the way the picture looks in Dynamic (fixed) but have commented on the jitterness of some frames of animation (ghosting/soap opera effect?).

I just want to know if anyone has reproduced the settings (backlight, sharpness, C.M.S. Saturation, Gamma Adjustment, etc.) for Dynamic (fixed) since I can't go into the settings because it's locked. I want to recreate the settings in User mode or work off of Dynamic mode and then adjust the film mode and/or motion enhancement to see if the jitterness goes away.

When I bought my 80" 844U from my local Best Buy last week, they laid the box flat and slid it in the back of the truck. I told them that your not supposed to transport the tv like that. They said "Its ok. That only applies to Plasma's. If something happens you have 30 days to bring it back."

I do notice some clouding like when switching from one input to another and there is no signal going to the tv. However, when watching tv I see no clouding at all.

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I haven't played with the dynamic settings, but I think the non-fixed dynamic setting allows adjustment where the fixed version does not. Regardless, you should toggle thru the various "motion enhancement" and "film mode" settings to find a mode that suits you.