Nice thread here..
I spent several hours today looking at 3 of the Sharp 60" tvs:
8470 at Costco
845 at Best Buy
Elite at Best Buy Magnolia
Here are my observations:
- good smart tv options (demo'd by sharp regional sales rep)
- 3d was good but I experienced pretty bad ghosting (lighting?)
- colors were good
- no clouding, flashlighting, or bleeding
- smart tv options were less than 8470 (firmware?)
- 3d was very good, but still experienced ghosting on one movie
- colors were much better than 8470
- very good black level
- no clouding, flashlighting, or bleeding
- did not try smart tv options
- incredible 3d picture quality, much more fluid and colorful than other sets
- best blacks I've ever saw on lcd/led
- very good contrast even in 3d mode
- no visible defects in picture quality
Source was a Tvix Cafe HD N1 that I brought in the store with about a dozen 3d SBS 1080p encodes on it. The same source was used for all tvs. The elite did have power going through a power conditioner rather than building power.
The ghosting really bugged me on the 8470 and 845. The 845 was significantly better with it really only showing on one movie. Interesting tidbit that I tested on the 845 was that ghosting was visible and noticable even with the glasses in 2d mode. I did not test this on the 8470 but wish I would have. I wonder if the 845 was configured better by Best Buy compared to the Costco 8470. The lighting was worse in Costco than in Best Buy with Magnolia having the best lighting environment for the Elite. Has anyone noticed ghosting on 3d content on these sets? Were you able to fix it? I spent 30 minutes trying to remove it on the 845 via menu settings (film mode, av mode, 3d brightness control, 3d depth control, 3d av mode, etc). I'm hoping there is a firmware update to help with this or that it can be removed via settings somehow.
The glasses were great, using the same model for all 3 tvs. The 2d switch is nice for those who do not like 3d. The glasses looked best on the Elite tv by far. It was honestly the best 3d I've saw on any tv including my friends with the high end panasonic plasmas. I did not notice any flickering in the glasses on any of the tvs. The 845 was touchy once, losing sync with the tv at a wider viewing angle. I did not experience this with the 8470, but Best Buy had the tvs much closer to each other so that might have played a part in this.
I spoke with the regional Sharp rep who was at Costco promoting their tvs today. I drilled him with questions for the better part of an hour. Some interesting comments:
- there is no 9 series tv coming out this year, it has been cancelled
- the only new sharp tv coming this year is the 90" with a street msrp around 10k and expected street price around 8k
- there is no limit of 6 pair of active 3d glasses per tv, he has demo'd product in a room with 50 users all sync'd to the same sharp tv with no issues
- all 3 tvs use the same 3d glasses
- he recommended the logitech k800 keyboard for wireless surfing on the 8470
- all 3 tvs will work with many brands of high def usb cameras for skype, he recommended logitech for a cheaper alternative to the sharp suggested camera
- I asked about clouding and he said that it was partially due to shipping issues as well as handling of the tvs after they are bought. All tvs are tested when manufactured to avoid this. He was not aware of major clouding issues with the 845 or 8470 and made a comment that they are much better than last years models.
- He said he did not believe the 735 was going to be discontinued, or at least that has not been communicated to the reps as of the last meeting.
- He said the elite tv was a different quality than the others and because of that has a much higher price tag. He also made comments about features between models referred to as "best non-elite model feature".
- There is a new line of elite tvs coming in 2013. He was not able to tell me the new features as it wasn't public knowledge yet, but they have been briefed and trained on them already.
- Comparing the 8470 to the 845, he said the 8470 has a better motion controller in it supporting 480hz. He explained the tech behind it and it sounded like it wasn't true 480hz but an added feature to try and smooth out the picture. The 8470, 847, and 845 were basically all the same tv inside with the major difference being the motion controller hardware. The 8470 had newer software features as well. He said the 8470 was the best of the bunch and said the Costco warranty was a nice feature compared to other retailers.
Looking at the picture, the 845 was better than expected reading this thread prior to looking at the tvs in depth. The 845 had brand new glasses that they opened for me to demo the tv. I was honestly expecting more from the 8470 today but didn't really see it. The lighting was pretty poor at Costco and the glasses were dirty so I'm sure that didn't help.
In terms of pricing, both the 8470 and 845 were the same sale price today. I won't put it in the thread here as that should go in the subforum. Best Buy offered 3 years zero interest financing and double rewardzone points. Costco has a 2 year warranty with the option of adding a 3 year squaretrade warranty on for just under $100. Costco will not double the warranty if purchased with an AMEX card. That offer is no longer valid. I asked the tv rep, the checkout cashier, and at the customer service desk. Opening a new Costco AMEX gives 6 months zero interest financing and 1% cash back. Both vendors were including 2 pair of 3d glasses for free.
The elite.. well its more than double the price for the same size. The picture was noticably better. The 3d was smoother, brigher, and way more colorful, with amazing blacks. If I could have received better pricing on the elite today I would have bought it, but the price is so much higher I did not do so.
Several reviews already talk about the great 2d quality of these 8 series tvs. I wanted to give my feedback on 3d and ask about ghosting. If I could eliminate that I'm in for sure. Right now I'm unsure which model to get. I'm leaning towards the 8470 based on feedback in this thread plus better warranty options via Costco. Adding a Best Buy warranty up to 4 years inhome puts the price higher than Cosco with Squaretrade 5 years. Is inhome 4 year better than 5 year remote service? For some it probably is. I had inhome 4 year service and had a tech out once who said the tv was great and left (Sharp D93U 65" calibrated by Best Buy). In hindsight, the high price I paid for it was a waste, but I never had any major issues that needed it. The Sharp rep strongly suggested extended warranty regardless of where the tv was purchased.