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post #1171 of 9468
Would any of you lucky owners out there mind posting some pictures of your STs? I'd like to see how they look in a home environment. Thanks in advance.
post #1172 of 9468
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The additional controls on the VT can improve the picture over the ST. However, do not expect it to be significantly better. If you do not have OCD when it comes to PQ (like I do) and do not care for the additional "whiz, bang" features, the ST is your display.

I just want to point out that OCD isn't contagious, and that OCD can lead to outstanding results when a display is calibrated with OCD.
post #1173 of 9468
I just want to point out an interesting observation from a visit to the nearest BB with a Magnolia department (just on the other side of the highway) to Palo Alto, California. I want through both of their TV departments and found one Panasonic display (a 42" something or other). Samsung, Sharp, LG, and no names abounded. For those not familiar with California geography, Palo Alto is the financial center of Silicon Valley. It seems strange to me, but this tendency has been present for a few years.
post #1174 of 9468
Does the ST have the controls to allow for full ISF type calibration?
post #1175 of 9468
just got home from BB.

listened to 55" ST50 with internal speakers. it sounded ok. dude turned it up to 80 (out of 100). listened to the masters (golf) as well as movie previews......hugo, tintin........my opinion: not thinking this is award winning sound. but it might do. its hard to really tell in a noisy store environment with very limited selections to listen to.
I did get a good vibe though. if they would have had a 50", I would have bought it on the spot.

I will buy this tv in the 50" version. BB does not have that size yet.
maybe I'll wait for a sale now.
felt screen all over again (like last time). this time the store had been open for several hours. the screen was noticeably warm. no way a deal breaker for me.

(just read this over. its a little random and not my best writing. but I hope it is of some use to some of you out there. Happy Easter and Passover!!)

and watched some 3D. (the glasses were turned on this time.) I am new to this experience. the golf course looked absolutely amazing. (and I am not a golf guy). just beautiful and amazing detail. definitely darker with the glasses on. I'm guessing thats normal. I liked it though and will get 3D glasses when I buy one of these tv's.
post #1176 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Cornflakeguy View Post


I have Never heard the speakers on my PX80U. Now I kinda want to turn them up just to hear what they sound like. For all I know they left the speakers out!

I also have a 50px80u and was curious about the differences between it and the st50. Also, in your opinion , is it worth the
upgrade. Thanks!
post #1177 of 9468
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Originally Posted by mauidj View Post

Does the ST have the controls to allow for full ISF type calibration?

It has enough controls for calibration.
post #1178 of 9468
Many thanks D-Nice.
Just ordered a 60" ST50.
Very stoked

Wanna come out to Maui and set it up for me!
post #1179 of 9468
Does anyone know if any of the picture modes in the SM affect game mode(which im trying to calibrate). Game mode itself is not an option in the SM. I was thinking possibly vivid?
post #1180 of 9468
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Well thank you for taking the time to dig all that out and for clearing it up.

And yes we'll just have to wait and see. I'm not rushing to buy, I'm anxious, but not in a rush.

Also, I just wasn't thrilled by the ST50 at BB. Next time I'll take the numbers with me and adjust it to see whats missing.

The st30 didn't look good at all at best buy but I bought it off reviews and it looked really good when I got it home. I think BB is just too bright to compare tvs even if the st50 is brighter. I would suggest waiting because the st30's price dropped significantly toward the end of last year and I was not happy when the 60" got to the same price that I paid for my 55. I told myself that I HAD to have a new tv last may but I wish I would have waited till the end of the year.
post #1181 of 9468
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Does anyone know if any of the picture modes in the SM affect game mode(which im trying to calibrate). Game mode itself is not an option in the SM. I was thinking possibly vivid?

You calibrate the color temperature in the SM, not the picture mode.
post #1182 of 9468
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Originally Posted by mauidj View Post

Many thanks D-Nice.
Just ordered a 60" ST50.
Very stoked

Wanna come out to Maui and set it up for me!

That is a possibility as I have a few others there waiting for a calibration
post #1183 of 9468
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

You calibrate the color temperature in the SM, not the picture mode.

Thanks. So it makes no difference which picture mode is selected in the SM, only which temperature? That would carry across all picture modes?
post #1184 of 9468
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Thanks. So it makes no difference which picture mode is selected in the SM, only which temperature? That would carry across all picture modes?

That is correct.
post #1185 of 9468
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

You calibrate the color temperature in the SM, not the picture mode.

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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

Thanks. So it makes no difference which picture mode is selected in the SM, only which temperature? That would carry across all picture modes?

That is incorrect. You select picture mode and color temp in service mode.
post #1186 of 9468
Exchanged my first ST50 due to a vertical band that was visible on all content and didn't appear to be lessening after 75 hours.

Second set has this interesting issue, pictured at 75 hours:



Both sets manufactured January 2012. I should note that this issue is only very obvious when you're slightly off-axis, but is visible on all content. Viewing straight on it is largely invisible. Not sure what's causing it though. It's also not a straight line, but rather diagonal.
post #1187 of 9468
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Razhel, I believe that what D-Nice was expressing was the value of this set and he is right. Nothing is going to change that. However, the GT is not just like the ST. According to the specs on the website, that difference is the shades of gradation.

D-Nice has stated multiple times that he doesn't think the extra "shades of gradation" advertised for the GT50 will have any effect on real-world viewing over the ST50.
post #1188 of 9468
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

That is incorrect. You select picture mode and color temp in service mode.

Unless it has changed this year, it does not matter what picture mode you select in the SM--the greyscale applies to the temperature, not the picture mode. That's why there is no "Game" or "THX" mode in the SM (I know "THX" doesn't apply to the ST, but that's how it is for the GT and VT).
post #1189 of 9468
what audio output does the ST50 series provide.

I have a jbl powered monitor that will work just dandy for sound. here's a link to it.

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/Genera...x?PId=92&MId=6


I am thinking that if I run the sound out of the tv, I will be able to control it with the tv remote (or the fios remote).

so, does anybody know if I will be able to adapt whatever outputs from the tv to the 1/4" trs input jack on the jbl?
post #1190 of 9468
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Originally Posted by invasmani View Post

Exchanged my first ST50 due to a vertical band that was visible on all content and didn't appear to be lessening after 75 hours.

Second set has this interesting issue, pictured at 75 hours:



Both sets manufactured January 2012. I should note that this issue is only very obvious when you're slightly off-axis, but is visible on all content. Viewing straight on it is largely invisible. Not sure what's causing it though. It's also not a straight line, but rather diagonal.

Honestly, it seems to me that this is a result of the filter. I mentioned this about a week ago. This set needs to be viewed at eye level or above, otherwise you'll notice a darkening of the picture. My set is on a stand that is about 19" high. My couch is about 7' from the set. If I'm standing in front of the couch and then sit down, the picture becomes a little brighter. If I walk towards the set, I can visibly see the screen getting darker from the bottom up the closer I get to it.

Your picture is taken above the set which is on the floor. Since you mention it's not visible when viewing the set straight on, it leads me to believe what you're seeing is actually a result of the filter.
post #1191 of 9468
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Originally Posted by svgtom View Post

Your picture is taken above the set which is on the floor. Since you mention it's not visible when viewing the set straight on, it leads me to believe what you're seeing is actually a result of the filter.

I believe your assessment here is correct.
post #1192 of 9468
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chas51 View Post

what audio output does the ST50 series provide.
I have a jbl powered monitor that will work just dandy for sound. I am thinking that if I run the sound out of the tv, I will be able to control it with the tv remote (or the fios remote). so, does anybody know if I will be able to adapt whatever outputs from the tv to the 1/4" trs input jack on the jbl?

The TV's only audio output is digital Toslink optical, and it's level cannot be controlled from the TV's remote or any other remote.

I've never even heard of the inputs that your audio monitor thingy has and can't recall ever seeing optical adapters with those outputs so they may not be available.

Basically any sort of sound bar or speaker setup will need to have it's own amp, it's own volume control, it's own remote control, and an optical input (or a way to adapt from the TV's optical output).
post #1193 of 9468
Quote:
Originally Posted by invasmani View Post

Exchanged my first ST50 due to a vertical band that was visible on all content and didn't appear to be lessening after 75 hours.

Second set has this interesting issue, pictured at 75 hours:



Both sets manufactured January 2012. I should note that this issue is only very obvious when you're slightly off-axis, but is visible on all content. Viewing straight on it is largely invisible. Not sure what's causing it though. It's also not a straight line, but rather diagonal.

I can't tell much from your photograph, but I wouldn't call that angle "slightly" off axes.
post #1194 of 9468
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The TV's only audio output is digital Toslink optical, and it's level cannot be controlled from the TV's remote or any other remote.

I've never even heard of the inputs that your audio monitor thingy has and can't recall ever seeing optical adapters with those outputs so they may not be available.

Basically any sort of sound bar or speaker setup will need to have it's own amp, it's own volume control, it's own remote control, and an optical input (or a way to adapt from the TV's optical output).

thank you very much Randy.
so much for that idea.

I have verizon fios.

I like the set up I have now. my verizon fios remote controls the tv volume and changing the tv channels. so I just use that 1 remote. nice and simple.

I am guessing that the verizon fios remote will be capable of turning the ST50tv on and off and control the channels and the tv's internal volume.

do you think the there is a chance that the verizon remote would be able to control a sound bar's volume?
I'm guessing the answer is no.
I am guessing that many people these days are having to use 2 remotes to control their set ups.
post #1195 of 9468
Panasonic has a soundbar, with Viera connect your cable box remote should also work to adjust its volume. Basically the soundbar takes over for all audio from the TV. I helped a friend with this unit, I was impressed.
post #1196 of 9468
thank you Nethawk.

that sounds like a good way for me to go.

can you possibly please elaborate at all?

like any more details on the sound? model number and price (or price range) of the unit? (if it is not cool for me to ask about price, please disregard that question. if you are so inclined, pm me.)

thanks again,
Chasman



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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Panasonic has a soundbar, with Viera connect your cable box remote should also work to adjust its volume. Basically the soundbar takes over for all audio from the TV. I helped a friend with this unit, I was impressed.
post #1197 of 9468
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

Unless it has changed this year, it does not matter what picture mode you select in the SM--the greyscale applies to the temperature, not the picture mode. That's why there is no "Game" or "THX" mode in the SM (I know "THX" doesn't apply to the ST, but that's how it is for the GT and VT).

Cinema Warm is where you'll find THX's grayscale adjustments in the service mode.
post #1198 of 9468
David Katzmaier over at CNET says that the TC-P50ST50 exhibited a higher than usual level of crosstalk during 3D viewing. Has anyone else experienced a similar situation? Any chance that the GT50 would be better in this regard? I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on a ST50 and would rarely ever use 3D... but it would bother me if it looked like crap on the occasions that I wanted to use it.
post #1199 of 9468
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Originally Posted by dsskid View Post

Cinema Warm is where you'll find THX's grayscale adjustments in the service mode.

Then why, when you adjust the color temp in the SM, is it universal across picture modes? It doesn't make any sense that cinema AND warm would have to be selected to apply to THX picture mode--then what applies to the "cinema" setting I use when I'm in 3D mode? Or, what if I switch to "normal" color temperature while watching in THX picture mode? It's counter-intuitive. The color temperature is all that matters in the SM.
post #1200 of 9468
All the pictures on this thread are of defective panels.
Where are the beauties?
This model has been on the market since February and every one is so excited about their awesome TVs but no one is posting pictures? Weird.
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