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post #151 of 9972
There is a discussion on another thread that is not particularly fruitful about 3-D glasses. Apparently the last generation (2nd ?) of Panasonic 3-D glasses were not as comfortable and perhaps as successful as desired, but there was the inference that THIS year's (3rd generation ?) glasses are superior. Can some of you who may have had the opportunity to try out these newer Panny glasses please comment on perceived improvement, and if so, how are they better?
Thanks in advance!
post #152 of 9972
Every single time I've seen the ST30 against the Sammy it's a significant difference in brightness ..
You may know your stuff DNice but every review even mentions the st30 dark problem ...
post #153 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

You may know your stuff DNice but every review even mentions the st30 dark problem ...

You're right, I know my stuff AND I'm telling you the differences between an ST30 and any 2011 Samsung were picture setting related. For instance, if someone were to set a ST30 to a Panel Brightness of Low, I would expect it to look dim compared to a 2011 Samsung. Using a panel brightness of Mid or High changes everything.

Perhaps you need to start questioning those who claim there was a "significant" difference in brightness by asking what settings were used in the comparision.
post #154 of 9972
D-Nice, do you think the ST50 color accuracy is better than the 2011 samsung ?
thanks
post #155 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You're right, I know my stuff AND I'm telling you the differences between an ST30 and any 2011 Samsung were picture setting related. For instance, if someone were to set a ST30 to a Panel Brightness of Low, I would expect it to look dim compared to a 2011 Samsung. Using a panel brightness of Mid or High changes everything.

Perhaps you need to start questioning those who claim there was a "significant" difference in brightness by asking what settings were used in the comparision.

D-NICE, is it safe for me to presume that the panel brightness setting for the Cinema setting is set to low? I know your custom setting is also set to low. I am wondering if setting to MID shortens panel life or is it just that you were able to get a much better calibration out of the low setting? I ask becasue Cinema is bright enough in my current environment, but I am moving soon and may end up with a lot more ambient light. Just don't want to damage the panel or shorten its life.

Thanks,
post #156 of 9972
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Originally Posted by WOLVERNOLE View Post

There is a discussion on another thread that is not particularly fruitful about 3-D glasses. Apparently the last generation (2nd ?) of Panasonic 3-D glasses were not as comfortable and perhaps as successful as desired, but there was the inference that THIS year's (3rd generation ?) glasses are superior. Can some of you who may have had the opportunity to try out these newer Panny glasses please comment on perceived improvement, and if so, how are they better?
Thanks in advance!

The 3rd gen glasses came out last year and they are much better than the 2nd gen glasses. I bought the 2nd gen pack with Avatar when I first got my ST30 and they were pretty bad (especially if you wear glasses like me). The 3rd gen was a huge improvement and I bought and kept the 2 pack. The model number for the one I have is TY-EW3D3ME. They are so light that you can barely feel them even wearing them over glasses. I have heard there is a new version for this year with bluetooth that I would guess is the 4th gen but from the pic I saw they didn't look much different than the 3rd gen. I could be wrong but they may just be the same glasses with bluetooth added in. Maybe someone who has used them could clear that up.
post #157 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You're right, I know my stuff AND I'm telling you the differences between an ST30 and any 2011 Samsung were picture setting related. For instance, if someone were to set a ST30 to a Panel Brightness of Low, I would expect it to look dim compared to a 2011 Samsung. Using a panel brightness of Mid or High changes everything.

Perhaps you need to start questioning those who claim there was a "significant" difference in brightness by asking what settings were used in the comparision.

It must be hard to be challenged so frequently and then asked a bunch of questions by those of us that are newb's all the time. Is there somewhere we can donate small amounts of money to help make up for your time spent? We all appreciate you, even if some of us come across as questioning at times.
post #158 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Every single time I've seen the ST30 against the Sammy it's a significant difference in brightness ..
You may know your stuff DNice but every review even mentions the st30 dark problem ...

My 65ST30 was pro calibrated to 48fl in Custom. I certainly don't consider that dark, but I don't know if it depends on the size of the ST30.
post #159 of 9972
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Originally Posted by realzven View Post

D-Nice, do you think the ST50 color accuracy is better than the 2011 samsung ?
thanks

No.

BTW, this is a ST50 thread. It is not a Panasonic/ST50 vs thread.
post #160 of 9972
You will replace the display long before you have to worry about lifespan while using any panel brightness setting.
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

D-NICE, is it safe for me to presume that the panel brightness setting for the Cinema setting is set to low? I know your custom setting is also set to low. I am wondering if setting to MID shortens panel life or is it just that you were able to get a much better calibration out of the low setting? I ask becasue Cinema is bright enough in my current environment, but I am moving soon and may end up with a lot more ambient light. Just don't want to damage the panel or shorten its life.

Thanks,
post #161 of 9972
Nope. I do not accept donations for the information I provide. It is all free and by my choice.

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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

It must be hard to be challenged so frequently and then asked a bunch of questions by those of us that are newb's all the time. Is there somewhere we can donate small amounts of money to help make up for your time spent? We all appreciate you, even if some of us come across as questioning at times.
post #162 of 9972
RicFlair already had this argument on some other threads about the 2011 Pannys and he doesn't listen to anyone no matter how much of an expert they are on the matter. He is one of those overnight experts that know everything from reading a cnet review.
post #163 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Nope. I do not accept donations for the information I provide. It is all free and by my choice.

Well, you are appreciated
post #164 of 9972
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

well, you are appreciated

+10000000000
post #165 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You will replace the display long before you have to worry about lifespan while using any panel brightness setting.

Thanks! Is this because some other part of the tv will likely break? Or just that I will find that I simply must have a more improved product at some point?

I promise, I will leave you alone after this, at least on this thread
post #166 of 9972
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Originally Posted by dtbreen76 View Post

Thanks! Is this because some other part of the tv will likely break? Or just that I will find that I simply must have a more improved product at some point?

One or the other.
post #167 of 9972
Has it been confirmed that the fluctuating brightness has been eliminated with the st50?
post #168 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No.

BTW, this is a ST50 thread. It is not a Panasonic/ST50 vs thread.

thanks for the reply
post #169 of 9972
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Originally Posted by caiman View Post

Has it been confirmed that the fluctuating brightness has been eliminated with the st50?

and rising black : eliminated on the ST50 or not ?
post #170 of 9972
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Originally Posted by caiman View Post

Has it been confirmed that the fluctuating brightness has been eliminated with the st50?

FBrs are there... in rare cases.
post #171 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

FBrs are there... in rare cases.

and rising black ?
thanks D-Nice
post #172 of 9972
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Originally Posted by realzven View Post

and rising black ?
thanks D-Nice

I don't know. And to be honest, I no longer care about that subject to even investigate. Sorry.
post #173 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I don't know. And to be honest, I no longer care about that subject to even investigate. Sorry.

No problem, your tremendous knowledge is greatly appreciated
post #174 of 9972
Deleted. Sorry, wrong thread
post #175 of 9972
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Originally Posted by agent8 View Post

My question is for long time owners of this set.

How would this be possible?
post #176 of 9972
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Originally Posted by agent8 View Post

Not trying to thread crap but I finally sold my old rp lcd 60" sony to buy one of these babies and I can't find these super blow out prices anywhere. I'm not asking for a place or a price but being that my wife is pissed because there is now a big blank space where a tv should be, I am having to spend a lot more than I was planning. Several places are giving me grief about taxes/shipping and price matching.

My question is for long time owners of this set. Am I going to have to deal with any type of buzzing a year after I buy this set? (I am at about 3300 feet if that matters) If prices were equal, would this still be a better choice than a 70" sharp? I've compared the 2 and I guess I'm lucky because they both look good to my eyes. I see that the blacks are a little better and that it is a little more film like but other than that, it's a toss up. I'm going for reliability and I guess the failure rate for sharps is 3% and Panasonic is 2% but I still have concerns. The sales guy I've been dealing with says that the prices on these are going to climb but every day they are slowly falling so I don't know what to believe. I am a little hesitant about this 100 slide break in stuff, and the tech behind led lcds sounds simpler like there is less to break but I don't know.

I know this is very subjective but is the 3-d on this set good? I know I need to crap or get off the pot but this is becoming much more expensive then when I started. (my wife also insists that our current tv stand "doesn't look good" so that's another $200 bucks)

If I pull the trigger on one of these and a week after warranty it blows up or green blobs, I am going to rage punch something. Maybe I am just looking for justification of spending 2 grand on a tv or just some reassurance. Sorry

Maybe you are confusing models here. You are in a thread for a 2012 model that is just now hitting stores or is about to in the near future. You will not be seeing any sales or "good deals" on this model for quite some time. Also, nobody can speculate yet as to what potential issues will exist yet either. If you want a good deal on a set, try to find an ST30. In my opinion, the Sharp will not even remotely compare to a Panny plasma in your home and calibrated. I say this only because I attempted to calibrate my friend's Sharp at his house with DVE and was less than impressed after my best effort. Although, what was impressive, was the Sharp had virtually everything available to tweak in terms of the picture, and the job I performed was very limited by comparison to what a trained professional can do. I will admit that my calibration skills are limited. I am sure the Sharp can be made to look much better in the hands of a professional. But out of the box, the two sets cannot be compared IMHO
post #177 of 9972
Oh wow, I am sorry, I thought I read st30 which is what I meant. I apologize, I am on a 7" tablet and my eyes are not what they used to be. That was helpful though, thank you. I am looking for a 65"ST30, I can't justify or afford a 65" ST50

Can a mod move my post or should I just copy it over to the proper thread?
post #178 of 9972
D-nice i need to know this. Did Panasonic fixed there brightness issues on white background which was dull, with the ST50. Does it looks more crystal now compared too Samsungs?
post #179 of 9972
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I don't know. And to be honest, I no longer care about that subject to even investigate. Sorry.

Well , I for one would not send too much money to a grouchy calibrator that did not care about black levels. ---- Maybe a little- but nothing extraordinary!
post #180 of 9972
I really don't find this post funny. I don't care about black levels yet I own 5 Kuros? I'm grouchy because I choose not to sugar coat posts and/or write paragraphs to respond to posts that simply can be answered with two/three letters (yes, no) or one straight to the point sentence? Yeah ok

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Originally Posted by Boyd Crowder View Post

Well , I for one would not send too much money to a grouchy calibrator that did not care about black levels. ---- Maybe a little- but nothing extraordinary!
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