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post #1741 of 9472
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

^^ my Android phone supports flash and I get by marvlously!

My neighbors does also but it sure takes a hit on battery life and gets pretty warm and its not only Panasonic and Apple not supporting Flash.
post #1742 of 9472
I also have slight stuttering during scene pans. Anyone have any suggestions?

I tried the 48Hz mode, but it flickers so bad that it's not watchable on blu-rays.

I guess every display has it's flaws, but the Sharp LC-60LE847u I returned had none of these issues and was only slightly more than the Panasonic.

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Originally Posted by crevai View Post

Just noticed another issue.

During the credits for Shrek on HBO HD
The scrolling credits would stutter every 10 seconds or so, so the scrolling up would be smooth and then pause/skip up for a nano second.

Being new to Plasma, is this a common issue ?
I tried turning off pixel shift & that did not help.

Edit- also noticing slight motion stuttering during pans in movies.
I went with Plasma to avoid this type of issue, could I have a bad set or are my issues common with Plasma & people just get used to it?
post #1743 of 9472
$200 off coupon for the 60" ST50 at tigerdirect.com

"Also available is the Panasonic VIERA 60" 1080p Widescreen Plasma 3D HD Television for $. Coupon code "BCU59371" cuts it to $. With free shipping, that's the lowest total price we could find by $33."
post #1744 of 9472
I got in on the free 2x 3d glasses deal on Amazon, but managed to get them to credit me an additional $91 to match the TigerDirect deal with $200 off with coupon code (60ST50). I was originally rejected via e-mail, but wasn't sure if they honored price matching with promo codes. I called to verify and the guy didn't even answer my question regarding that and price matched for me, so huge YMMV on that.

The price match was after subtracting the cost of the 3d glasses from Amazon's regular price retail price which was why it was $91 instead of $200.
post #1745 of 9472
Setting "Motion Smoother" to medium seems to fix the stuttering on panning scenes (I had it set to off). However, setting 24p Direct in to 48Hz still causes flickering?!?
post #1746 of 9472
[quote=bhazard;21934999]$200 off coupon for the 60" ST50 at tigerdirect.com

"Also available is the Panasonic VIERA 60" 1080p Widescreen Plasma 3D HD Television for $. Coupon code "BCU59371" cuts it to $. With free shipping, that's the lowest total price we could find by $33."[

can you tell me how to enter the coupon code at tigerdirect?

I have not filled out the whole page as I will not be buying from them anyway.

but it says coupon code could not be verified. please try again.
post #1747 of 9472
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Originally Posted by MoggSquad View Post

I got in on the free 2x 3d glasses deal on Amazon, but managed to get them to credit me an additional $91 to match the TigerDirect deal with $200 off with coupon code (60ST50). I was originally rejected via e-mail, but wasn't sure if they honored price matching with promo codes. I called to verify and the guy didn't even answer my question regarding that and price matched for me, so huge YMMV on that.

The price match was after subtracting the cost of the 3d glasses from Amazon's regular price retail price which was why it was $91 instead of $200.

Makes me kind of regret getting the 55" instead of the 60" even more. Ah well.
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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

Setting "Motion Smoother" to medium seems to fix the stuttering on panning scenes (I had it set to off). However, setting 24p Direct in to 48Hz still causes flickering?!?

I haven't noticed any stuttering yet on my ST50. Noticed tons on a GT30.

I'm not sure what the point of 48Hz mode is, considering the flickering.
post #1748 of 9472
[quote=chas51;21935066]
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

$200 off coupon for the 60" ST50 at tigerdirect.com

"Also available is the Panasonic VIERA 60" 1080p Widescreen Plasma 3D HD Television for $. Coupon code "BCU59371" cuts it to $. With free shipping, that's the lowest total price we could find by $33."[

can you tell me how to enter the coupon code at tigerdirect?

I have not filled out the whole page as I will not be buying from them anyway.

but it says coupon code could not be verified. please try again.

got it. thank you.
post #1749 of 9472
I just called Amazon for my $91 and was told no, they don't honor promo code type deals unless the code is in plain sight on tigerdirect. Anyone know if the code is anywhere on tigerdirect.com?
post #1750 of 9472
It's out the check out page.
[quote=chas51;21935092]
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Originally Posted by chas51 View Post


got it. thank you.
post #1751 of 9472
I think that was why I was rejected from the e-mail I sent. When I called I think the guy on the phone must have pulled up my screenshot and been ok with that. I also average 150 orders a year on Amazon so I think they take that into consideration sometimes.

I did not see that code advertised on their site.

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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

I just called Amazon for my $91 and was told no, they don't honor promo code type deals unless the code is in plain sight on tigerdirect. Anyone know if the code is anywhere on tigerdirect.com?
post #1752 of 9472
How did you email the screenshot? It's a great idea and would work, but I didn't see an email option anywhere on amazon.com.
post #1753 of 9472
I took a screenshot of the checkout with the coupon code applied, uploaded to photo bucket then sent the photo bucket link.

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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

How did you email the screenshot? It's a great idea and would work, but I didn't see an email option anywhere on amazon.com.
post #1754 of 9472
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Originally Posted by mikediamond View Post

I agree, browsers with lack of flash support in 2012 , why?

The only reason I can come up with is $$ and/or waiting for someone else to develop apps?
post #1755 of 9472
I thought I read the gt50 can do flash due to having dual core. It was another forum, but not sure if it's truth.

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

The only reason I can come up with is $$ and/or waiting for someone else to develop apps?
post #1756 of 9472
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Originally Posted by MoggSquad View Post

I thought I read the gt50 can do flash due to having dual core. It was another forum, but not sure if it's truth.

The dual core does the same thing a dual core processor does in a computer - essentially makes things happen faster. It doesn't have anything to do with flash. Also, the ST50 has a browser despite not having a dual core processor.

As of now, no one has directly answered the flash question, not even the Panasonic insider will say if these sets with browsers are suppose to support flash.
post #1757 of 9472
I know about flash and processors, just telling you what I read.

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

The dual core does the same thing a dual core processor does in a computer - essentially makes things happen faster. It doesn't have anything to do with flash. Also, the ST50 has a browser despite not having a dual core processor.

As of now, no one has directly answered the flash question, not even the Panasonic insider will say if these sets with browsers are suppose to support flash.
post #1758 of 9472
Here is a quick video I took to show the brightness fluctuations during hockey when in standard mode. This video only showed a mild example I have seen it much worse. I watched a complete game today in Custom mode with no issues which is fine by me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Ng...ature=youtu.be
post #1759 of 9472
Thread Starter 
Nobody uses Standard mode. Nobody. Because it sucks. A lot
post #1760 of 9472
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Originally Posted by crevai View Post

Here is a quick video I took to show the brightness fluctuations during hockey when in standard mode. This video only showed a mild example I have seen it much worse. I watched a complete game today in Custom mode with no issues which is fine by me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Ng...ature=youtu.be

maybe there's a bug in standard mode where even tho you turn cats off it stays active or panasonic made that mode that way on purpose to make the picture brighter while trying to save energy.

if you know where the sensor is cover it up and see if it still happens.
post #1761 of 9472
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Originally Posted by etc6849 View Post

I also have slight stuttering during scene pans. Anyone have any suggestions?

I tried the 48Hz mode, but it flickers so bad that it's not watchable on blu-rays.

I guess every display has it's flaws, but the Sharp LC-60LE847u I returned had none of these issues and was only slightly more than the Panasonic.

You will see some slight motion-judder any time you watch film-based material, because most films are shot at 24 frames per second. That's really not very many frames when you think about it. That means that film doesn't move completely fluidly, and that can be seen most easily during scene pans. Even with a 96Hz display for 23.976/24 Blu-Ray, you will see the natural stutter of film. Marketing has done it's best to convince people that if you're in 24Hz mode you get perfectly smooth motion, but in reality that's very incorrect. What you get is true film motion, which means you will see pans appear juddery.

The bottom line is film has natural judder when shot at only 24fps. That's why some directors are now considering shooting at higher framerates. You can enable motion interpolation on the Panasonic plasmas, and most LED tvs, but many, like me, dislike it because it creates a very video-like look to film, which I find very unpleasant, by creating new frames to smooth out the video. Some actually like the effect, sometimes called "soap opera effect", but for me it ruins the feel of the film. I'd rather just live with the natural film judder.

Hope this helps explain it a bit. It's not the tv, it's the 24fps film judder you're seeing.
post #1762 of 9472
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Originally Posted by crevai View Post

Here is a quick video I took to show the brightness fluctuations during hockey when in standard mode. This video only showed a mild example I have seen it much worse. I watched a complete game today in Custom mode with no issues which is fine by me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6Ng...ature=youtu.be

I think with this video we can finally put to rest people saying that it is camera flashes. Clearly, from that video, it is not camera flashes. I can't offer an explanation as to why that is happening, but it sure isn't camera flashes or scoreboard/signage lighting. Clearly the tv is reacting to changes in the amount of white on screen from moment to moment and that reaction is causing the fluctuations. That looks horrible actually - that would be totally unwatchable for me if I were a hockey fan.
post #1763 of 9472
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I think with this video we can finally put to rest people saying that it is camera flashes. Clearly, from that video, it is not camera flashes. I can't offer an explanation as to why that is happening, but it sure isn't camera flashes or scoreboard/signage lighting. Clearly the tv is reacting to changes in the amount of white on screen from moment to moment and that reaction is causing the fluctuations. That looks horrible actually - that would be totally unwatchable for me if I were a hockey fan.

Again, as Randy previously pointed out, that was in Standard mode, and Standard mode sucks. I am curious if covering the CATS sensor (since the OP said CATS was turned off) would have an impact or not, but it's a moot point, really, as Standard does indeed suck and no one uses it anyway.
post #1764 of 9472
Does anyone know when the amazon offer for two free 3d glasses with the purchase of an ST50 ends? I plan on ordering at the end of next week, but I want to make sure I don't miss this promotion.
post #1765 of 9472
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Originally Posted by ckhirnigs113 View Post

Does anyone know when the amazon offer for two free 3d glasses with the purchase of an ST50 ends? I plan on ordering at the end of next week, but I want to make sure I don't miss this promotion.

The promotion details on the 3D glasses page says it's through April 21st (already April 22nd here, sadly).
post #1766 of 9472
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Originally Posted by Shocked View Post

The promotion details on the 3D glasses page says it's through April 21st (already April 22nd here, sadly).

Thanks for the info. That's too bad. Maybe it will get extended. We'll just have to wait and see. That was the main thing that swayed me towards ordering from Amazon. Other sites have lower prices, so the free glasses and better shipping/return policy were the pros of Amazon.
post #1767 of 9472
Can someone post a screen shot of the picture quality on a movie?
post #1768 of 9472
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

You will see some slight motion-judder any time you watch film-based material, because most films are shot at 24 frames per second. That's really not very many frames when you think about it. That means that film doesn't move completely fluidly, and that can be seen most easily during scene pans. Even with a 96Hz display for 23.976/24 Blu-Ray, you will see the natural stutter of film. Marketing has done it's best to convince people that if you're in 24Hz mode you get perfectly smooth motion, but in reality that's very incorrect. What you get is true film motion, which means you will see pans appear juddery.

The bottom line is film has natural judder when shot at only 24fps. That's why some directors are now considering shooting at higher framerates. You can enable motion interpolation on the Panasonic plasmas, and most LED tvs, but many, like me, dislike it because it creates a very video-like look to film, which I find very unpleasant, by creating new frames to smooth out the video. Some actually like the effect, sometimes called "soap opera effect", but for me it ruins the feel of the film. I'd rather just live with the natural film judder.

Hope this helps explain it a bit. It's not the tv, it's the 24fps film judder you're seeing.

"True film motion" does have some stuttering, but not as much as you see on your television set. The DP's are paid a lot of money to make sure that their camera pans are set up to include all the motion the director wants in the scene without exposing the theater going audience to a plethora of "stuttering" on the widescreen in front of them.
post #1769 of 9472
Adobe itself is dropping Flash from mobile devices (probably anything non-PC). And with Apple having never used Flash on their iPhones or iPad. It seems to be a very easy R&D and Marketing choice to not support Flash on TVs. HTML5 is 2012, not flash.
post #1770 of 9472
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Can someone post a screen shot of the picture quality on a movie?


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