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post #2941 of 9972
They must be having yield issues on the 65" panels, as the premium for the extra 5" is quite significant.
post #2942 of 9972
Got my 55st50 last night...
WOW that's all i can say.
Coming from 7 year old none HD 42" Panny TH-42PWD6UY its almost a little overwhelming size vise.

For the moment running all video to it via Component RBG (HDMIs are on UPS truck)
Last night watched Rangers/Devils game 1st period with out of the box settings and noticed some FBR going from ice to close ups... Changed settings to D-Nice none-prep and whaaaa what a difference. LOVE THE PQ...
After the game flipped through some movie channels (FIOS) and was very impressed.
Wonder how much better will it be via HDMI...

Tried youtube app with TV built in speakers... well... my Onkyo 3.1 set up will not be out of job any time soon.

Popped in USB stick with bunch of different video files... my WDTV also not going anywhere.. )

Viera iphone app is nice, but not sure i will be using it much, but nice to have.

slight buzzing going from dark to light picture but nothing crazy.. i think my time capsule is making more noise during back up than TV.
post #2943 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BiotypE View Post

Originally Posted by mfrey0118
60" price just dropped on Amazon...

Awesome, just did the low price guarantee, you just saved me a chunk of money. THANKS!!

What a GREAT set for that price. Truly awesome!!

I'm confused, the 60" is showing $2,100 on Amazon from Cleveland Plasma only.

Am I missing the price drop somehow?
post #2944 of 9972
Got 300 back on my 60" on top of getting the free glasses. Amazon is awesome
post #2945 of 9972
Can anyone else confirm the current 60" ST50 price on Amazon? It's still showing $2,100 on my end and I'm within 30 days for a price adjustment if it's dropped again.

Edit - never mind it's showing $1,599.99 now.
post #2946 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Mister Shifter View Post

Can anyone else confirm the current 60" ST50 price on Amazon? It's still showing $2,100 on my end and I'm within 30 days for a price adjustment if it's dropped again.

Edit - never mind it's showing $1,599.99 now.

I just got mine from eastcoasttvs. I paid around $1700. Oh well. I got it in under a week and it looks OK.
post #2947 of 9972
Is the power connection on the ST50 preventing a slim wall mount? I remember an older Panasonic plasma that had the power connection badly placed (at least the angle of it).

Thanks for your time!
post #2948 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Lance_M View Post

Got 300 back on my 60" on top of getting the free glasses. Amazon is awesome

I thought the Glasses are not included with this set. Are they running a special?
post #2949 of 9972
Got my 60ST50 last week. After 3 days of slides and D-Nice calibration it looks great. I must say, with a 50PX60U in my other room, it's really not "that" much better, but definitely is bigger! I'm thinking I may need to tone down the color setting a little, a bit too much like a "Kodak moment" for me. Doesn't seem nearly as hot as some suggest (and mine's in a cabinet with about 2" all around). Have not tried linking to my wireless router yet, I assume that's no problem.

Sound is bad compared to my 50PX60U, but good enough for the wife (volume on 50PX60U at 10 is loud enough, volume on 60ST50 on 40 is almost loud enough). In process of setting up my Denon 1712 with it (I think she'll finally notice the difference!).
post #2950 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Mister Shifter View Post

I'm confused, the 60" is showing $2,100 on Amazon from Cleveland Plasma only.

Am I missing the price drop somehow?

I purchased mine about 13days ago. Today when I was confirming the price drop, there were only two 60st50s in stock direct from amazon which is why you are no longer seeing them. I am sure the two Amazon had left in stock got swept up at that price rather quickly.
post #2951 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Got my 60ST50 last week. After 3 days of slides and D-Nice calibration it looks great.

Are you saying that D-Nice calibrated your new display?
post #2952 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Got my 60ST50 last week. After 3 days of slides and D-Nice calibration it looks great.

woah! Congrats on the d-nice cal.
post #2953 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Got my 60ST50 last week. After 3 days of slides and D-Nice calibration it looks great. I must say, with a 50PX60U in my other room, it's really not "that" much better, but definitely is bigger! I'm thinking I may need to tone down the color setting a little, a bit too much like a "Kodak moment" for me. Doesn't seem nearly as hot as some suggest (and mine's in a cabinet with about 2" all around). Have not tried linking to my wireless router yet, I assume that's no problem.

Sound is bad compared to my 50PX60U, but good enough for the wife (volume on 50PX60U at 10 is loud enough, volume on 60ST50 on 40 is almost loud enough). In process of setting up my Denon 1712 with it (I think she'll finally notice the difference!).

I am surprised he would calibrate after 72 hours of slides when it was stated there was a red color shift after 100 hours of slides.
post #2954 of 9972
I am still seeing the 60" at that price on amazon. Thinking about returning my 55" for the 60".
post #2955 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Figbash View Post

I have a favor to ask, can anyone tell me where in the packaging the Component video converter cable was hidden? I'm starting to think I didn't get one at all... Anyone know a good site where I could get a replacement?

Its a short little cable - maybe 6 inches - with a funky green adapter at one end to plug into the tv.

Don't recall where it was packed - but presumably with other cables...
post #2956 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

Its a short little cable - maybe 6 inches - with a funky green adapter at one end to plug into the tv.

Don't recall where it was packed - but presumably with other cables...

I thought it was in the same bag the instructions came in
post #2957 of 9972
I found these to be some very interesting statements.

This one from D-Nice was in reference to a poster asking him (in the Shoot out thread) which TV he would choose a 55"VT50 or a 60"GT50?

D-Nice wrote "I don't recommend the GT50 to anyone unless they prefer the styling as I see no PQ improvements compared to the ST50."

The following is an excerpt from a review from HDTVtest.

"However, there is one spectre looming over the VT50 series. In our view, the VT50 faces stiff competition from the ST50 range which features every single one of the best parts of the VT50 series - although the design is subjectively less extravagant. It's inevitable that a top-end model won't rank as highly in terms of value for money, because unless they offer something radically better than the less expensive ones, it's bound to be a case of diminishing returns. But, Panasonic don't put forward as strong a case for upgrading to this flagship display as they could have done, because the VT50 series can't produce as bright an image as the cheaper ST50, when set to its best picture modes - something we really think that the company should address for VT50 owners."

So is the ST50 a no brainer? The 65ST is $1,200 less than the 65VT. Will you notice a $1,200 better picture? They must be selling well, BB has none available for shipping or in store.
post #2958 of 9972
Sorry, I meant 4 days + 4 hrs. It was 100 hrs within 30 minutes (with a 30 minute break in the middle with Dish installing a Hopper to it). Colors look great, I'm just saying it's a bit too much color for my taste. I have a Video Essentials dick I loaned to a buddy, once I get it back I plan on double checking D-nice settings. My only real complaint is the sound, but once I set up HT it won't be an issue.

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Originally Posted by pwiss View Post

I am surprised he would calibrate after 72 hours of slides when it was stated there was a red color shift after 100 hours of slides.
post #2959 of 9972
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The following is an excerpt from a review from HDTVtest.

"However, there is one spectre looming over the VT50 series. In our view, the VT50 faces stiff competition from the ST50 range which features every single one of the best parts of the VT50 series - although the design is subjectively less extravagant. It's inevitable that a top-end model won't rank as highly in terms of value for money, because unless they offer something radically better than the less expensive ones, it's bound to be a case of diminishing returns. But, Panasonic don't put forward as strong a case for upgrading to this flagship display as they could have done, because the VT50 series can't produce as bright an image as the cheaper ST50, when set to its best picture modes - something we really think that the company should address for VT50 owners."


Keep in mind that the lessened brightness appies to the UK model I reviewed. The US version I saw at the VE Shootout this weekend was fine.

Doesn't change the fact that the ST50 is outstanding value for money though, regardless of where you live.
post #2960 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ruiz00tx View Post

So is the ST50 a no brainer? The 65ST is $1,200 less than the 65VT. Will you notice a $1,200 better picture? They must be selling well, BB has none available for shipping or in store.

The VT50 can probably be calibrated more accurately on paper, but the issue is still, can the owner tell the difference if the two calibrated displays are not side by side. I don't know the answer for myself, let alone for anyone else.
post #2961 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Got my 60ST50 last week. After 3 days of slides and D-Nice calibration it looks great.


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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Sorry, I meant 4 days + 4 hrs. It was 100 hrs within 30 minutes (with a 30 minute break in the middle with Dish installing a Hopper to it). Colors look great, I'm just saying it's a bit too much color for my taste. I have a Video Essentials dick I loaned to a buddy, once I get it back I plan on double checking D-nice settings. My only real complaint is the sound, but once I set up HT it won't be an issue.

Can you clarify please.

Are you using D-Nice's settings or did he personally calibrate your display? If he personally calibrated your display, I want to add your report the the list linked below.
post #2962 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tcat View Post

Sorry, I meant 4 days + 4 hrs. It was 100 hrs within 30 minutes (with a 30 minute break in the middle with Dish installing a Hopper to it). Colors look great, I'm just saying it's a bit too much color for my taste. I have a Video Essentials dick I loaned to a buddy, once I get it back I plan on double checking D-nice settings. My only real complaint is the sound, but once I set up HT it won't be an issue.

OK. The impression was that you had D-Nice out to your place to calibrate. Sounds like you just used his settings.
post #2963 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ruiz00tx View Post

So is the ST50 a no brainer? The 65ST is $1,200 less than the 65VT. Will you notice a $1,200 better picture? They must be selling well, BB has none available for shipping or in store.

The ST50 isn't quite good enough to be a flagship model which is why the VT50 is there. The VT50 will have slightly more accurate color and grayscale, but unless you view them side by side, it'll be hard to tell the difference. Even side by side the differences will be fairly small. The ST50 is good enough for most people, videophiles included, but some just want the best, have the money, or the extra features and styling make it justifiable. The differences between the ST and GT are even smaller and they're almost the same.
post #2964 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

The differences between the ST and GT are even smaller and they're almost the same.

Completely disagree. Are you sure you know the exact differences between the ST and GT in regards to PQ. Doesn't sound like it.
post #2965 of 9972
Had D-nice come calibrate my 65st50 on sat mornin before he did the shootout. Had just over 120 hrs of slides runnin before he arrived. Love the picture and mosre importantly, the flash lighting is much less noticeable now than before while watchin Rangers/Devils
post #2966 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Completely disagree. Are you sure you know the exact differences between the ST and GT in regards to PQ. Doesn't sound like it.

I haven't seen them side by side, no. But experts who have agree with me (Kevin Miller, D-Nice).

The fact that they're the same panel with the same set of calibration controls tells me they're essentially the same. Seeing the calibration results of both sets just confirms it. Based on specs, the only thing that would make the GT50 look better, is the extra shades of gradients, but everyone has said that it makes little difference.

The main benefit of the GT50 is that it has THX modes which are decent presets, but the money saved going with the ST50 would allow you to get it professionally calibrated which will make it look better than an uncalibrated GT50 in THX mode.

It's your money... I'm not gonna tell you how to spend it. But if it were me, I would either go with an ST50 or a VT50.
post #2967 of 9972
I am curious to know the differences between ST50 and VT50 after calibration. Any inputs from the calibrators?
post #2968 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Kishore View Post

I am curious to know the differences between ST50 and VT50 after calibration. Any inputs from the calibrators?

I'm not an experienced calibrator, but I do my own calibrations and I have the basic knowledge of calibrating.

The white balance allows you to adjust red, green and blue to set them so that they're tracking where they should be to create a neutral grayscale. The ST/GT only allow you to adjust 2 points (high and low) while the VT50 allows you to adjust 10 points (10-100 in 10 steps). This allows you to get RGB tracking ruler flat from 0-100 IRE whereas the 2pt system generally won't be as flat/perfect because there's fewer adjustment points. With a 10pt system, you can also use it to raise/lower gamma.

If you're a little confused, google image search RGB tracking or look at the calibration reports from Chad B of the VT50 and ST50. Or maybe a more experienced calibrator can give a more technical yet easier to understand reply or correct any mistakes I've made.

A color management system (CMS) allows you to adjust the primary (red, green, blue) and secondary (yellow, cyan, magenta) color points to get them as close as possible. I'm not sure how good the VT50's CMS is, but it should definitely allow you to get the color points closer than not having one at all. But the ST/GT have fairly good color despite not having a CMS.

So with that said, while the VT50 is more accurate after calibration, because the ST/GT are already so good, what this all translates to on screen isn't as significant as it may sound. Colors will just look a bit more as they 'should'.
post #2969 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Completely disagree. Are you sure you know the exact differences between the ST and GT in regards to PQ. Doesn't sound like it.

D-Nice holds the same opinion about the difference between the ST50 and the GT50. He probably knows any significant differences that there might be.
post #2970 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Avplayer18 View Post

Had D-nice come calibrate my 65st50 on sat mornin before he did the shootout. Had just over 120 hrs of slides runnin before he arrived. Love the picture and mosre importantly, the flash lighting is much less noticeable now than before while watchin Rangers/Devils

If you've got any more to say about your calibration, I'm sure that a lot of folks would be interested. I would like to add your report to the list that's linked in the signature section at the bottom of my post. Tell all.
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