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post #3121 of 9468
5/28/12 at 8:15am
I finally got it! I never did the "1st time set-up" all the way through. I didn't have internet when TV was installed. Going through it got the connection... really weird since screens were almost the same. I have an old WRT54G, never given me a problem.

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post #3122 of 9468
5/28/12 at 9:22am
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I finally got it! I never did the "1st time set-up" all the way through. I didn't have internet when TV was installed. Going through it got the connection... really weird since screens were almost the same. I have an old WRT54G, never given me a problem.




glad you got it.

i just watched some youtube videos on my old 27" CRT.

its gonna be cool when I get my ST50.
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post #3123 of 9468
5/28/12 at 10:35am
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anybody have any thoughts about this way to calibrate your tv??:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5793273_cali...ra-plasma.html

There is not much there there.

I haven't calibrated my own display, but a lot of beginners like the Disney WoW disk and the available tutorials that go with it. If I were doing my own calibration, I would probably start with the D-Nice settings for my model, and then I would try the WoW disk if I wanted to try to make it look better.

EDIT: For me, looking better would mean looking more natural. Skin tones that look like real faces would be one example.
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post #3124 of 9468
5/28/12 at 10:58am
awesome. thanks for the great reply!!
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post #3125 of 9468
5/28/12 at 11:19am
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anybody have any thoughts about this way to calibrate your tv??:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5793273_cali...ra-plasma.html

It is nothing more than a shot in the dark. For the newer Panasonics, you would probably be better off to follow advice of "Select Default Cinema Mode; Set Motion Smoothing to taste..."

If you follow DNice or CNet settings, you at least get something that is designed for your Series (ST; GT; Whatever...).

As htwaits already noted, a lot of users report satisfaction with the Disney WOW disk. Note that some DVDs/Blu-rays have a THX home theater set up menu - however it is pretty basic, and have heard some complaints about their test patterns.

A better bet is download a copy of the AVS HD 709 - this is a wonderful free tool that not only has a wide variety of test patterns, but also an useful series (from YouTube, per memory) on Calibrating a HDTV.

Used this to do a quick & dirty "calibration" of our ST50 - after 200 hours or so of usage - using Default Cinema as the starting point, and am very happy with the results. (Note that "very happy" does NOT mean that I presume it is "perfect," or even "As ACCURATE as is possible" - simply means that WE are Very Happy with the resulting PQ!).

In a couple of weeks, intend to spend some time tweaking the panel with No. 1 Son - using his set of fancy colored filters & commercial calibration disk - but he was over this weekend to watch "Girl With the Dragon Tattoo," and - AFTER reviewing portions of the movie back at his house - he sent a note lauding the PQ on the ST50 ("very transparent...."; "am officially jealous...") - and we had ended up Very Close to Default Cinema settings after running through the HD 709 steps.

Unit to unit variations may come into play - which is a good reason why "One Size Fits ALL" settings remain something of a gamble - but the OOTB PQ on the 2012 ST50 series (and presumably all of the Pan plasma panels) is Very Good....
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post #3126 of 9468
5/28/12 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

A better bet is download a copy of the AVS HD 709 - this is a wonderful free tool that not only has a wide variety of test patterns, but also an useful series (from YouTube, per memory) on Calibrating a HDTV.

Used this to do a quick & dirty "calibration" of our ST50 - after 200 hours or so of usage - using Default Cinema as the starting point, and am very happy with the results. (Note that "very happy" does NOT mean that I presume it is "perfect," or even "As ACCURATE as is possible" - simply means that WE are Very Happy with the resulting PQ!).

Good point. I should have included it too. Bad brain!


AVS HD 709 Blu-ray & MP4 Calibration disk
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496
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post #3127 of 9468
5/28/12 at 12:44pm
thank you for your sincerely brilliant post.

wow. really amazing Dierkdr.

this post of yours goes directly into my favorites.



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It is nothing more than a shot in the dark. For the newer Panasonics, you would probably be better off to follow advice of "Select Default Cinema Mode; Set Motion Smoothing to taste..."

If you follow DNice or CNet settings, you at least get something that is designed for your Series (ST; GT; Whatever...).

As htwaits already noted, a lot of users report satisfaction with the Disney WOW disk. Note that some DVDs/Blu-rays have a THX home theater set up menu - however it is pretty basic, and have heard some complaints about their test patterns.

A better bet is download a copy of the AVS HD 709 - this is a wonderful free tool that not only has a wide variety of test patterns, but also an useful series (from YouTube, per memory) on Calibrating a HDTV.

Used this to do a quick & dirty "calibration" of our ST50 - after 200 hours or so of usage - using Default Cinema as the starting point, and am very happy with the results. (Note that "very happy" does NOT mean that I presume it is "perfect," or even "As ACCURATE as is possible" - simply means that WE are Very Happy with the resulting PQ!).

In a couple of weeks, intend to spend some time tweaking the panel with No. 1 Son - using his set of fancy colored filters & commercial calibration disk - but he was over this weekend to watch "Girl With the Dragon Tattoo," and - AFTER reviewing portions of the movie back at his house - he sent a note lauding the PQ on the ST50 ("very transparent...."; "am officially jealous...") - and we had ended up Very Close to Default Cinema settings after running through the HD 709 steps.

Unit to unit variations may come into play - which is a good reason why "One Size Fits ALL" settings remain something of a gamble - but the OOTB PQ on the 2012 ST50 series (and presumably all of the Pan plasma panels) is Very Good....
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post #3128 of 9468
5/28/12 at 1:50pm
Let me add that all Led/LCD do not have motion blur. You get what you pay for. Yes some worse than others but some you can not notice if it's a good set. Turning the motion enhancement also gets rid of the soap opera effect. To each there own. Plasmas to me just resemble and old crt if that's what you like, but are just to dim no matter how you slice it, and IR sucks for Gaming. It's distracting and annoying.
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post #3129 of 9468
5/28/12 at 2:00pm
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Let me add that all Led/LCD do not have motion blur. You get what you pay for. Yes some worse than others but some you can not notice if it's a good set. Turning the motion enhancement also gets rid of the soap opera effect. To each there own. Plasmas to me just resemble and old crt if that's what you like, but are just to dim no matter how you slice it, and IR sucks for Gaming. It's distracting and annoying.

Let's not turn this into a plasma vs LCD debate. This is not the thread for you.
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post #3130 of 9468
5/28/12 at 2:19pm
who said I was? I was responding to a statement and just clarifying. who are you the forum police? give me a break. Are you guys really that sensitive on this forum geesh..

Has anyone found also on the ST50 the 3d is not very good? Bad Cross talk, and flicker? I tested with the new Panasonic glasses and I could still tell.
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post #3131 of 9468
5/28/12 at 4:22pm
I just purchased a new Panasonic TC-P55ST50. I'm new to this but followed this forums suggestion on 100 hr aging and final settings. Picture is phenomenal except for one issue I have intermittently on start up. Every now and then when I turn on the set, I get half a screen. The lower half is like a giant multi-colored bar code, and the upper half are people with blue faces. Changing the channel a couple of times usually resolves it. Panasonic says it's a lag between devices and that I should run my cable directly to the tv via the cable box. No other devices should be inline. I have a Denon AVR-1611 receiver connected between the cable box and the tv utilizing HDMI cables. I also have a Sony Playstation for DVD's connected to the receiver. I also experience HDMI handshake quite often. Usually resolved by turning everything off and on again. Below is a picture of the TV with this problem. Any suggestions on proper way to connect these devices to resolve this issue would be greatfully appreciated. Thanks, Rich
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post #3132 of 9468
5/28/12 at 4:38pm
^^^You answered your own question in your post.
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post #3133 of 9468
5/28/12 at 4:58pm
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^^^You answered your own question in your post.

I did? Can you be more specific? Maybe connection sequence and type of cables?
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post #3134 of 9468
5/28/12 at 5:03pm
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I did? Can you be more specific? Maybe connection sequence and type of cables?

You said that panasonic suggested running from the cable box directly to the TV to avoid that problem from happening. TV should have an audio output that you can put to your AVR so you can still use your AVR for sound.
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post #3135 of 9468
5/28/12 at 5:12pm
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....Below is a picture of the TV with this problem. Any suggestions on proper way to connect these devices to resolve this issue would be greatfully appreciated.

The TV is defective - it should not do that no matter what the source or connection is. It's probably the board that drives the lower half of the panel. I'd return the set for exchange if possible, or call Panasonic to get it repaired. The people that answer the phones at Panasonic have no technical knowledge of their products and are only good for setting up a warranty repair visit.
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post #3136 of 9468
5/28/12 at 5:17pm
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You said that panasonic suggested running from the cable box directly to the TV to avoid that problem from happening. TV should have an audio output that you can put to your AVR so you can still use your AVR for sound.

OK, Cool. So HDMI from cable box to tv. Audio cables (maybe S-video or Optical) from receiver to tv. Paystation to tv via HDMI. Does that sound right?

Also I was wondering if anyone had seen the image I posted on their tv? Or is my problem unique?
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post #3137 of 9468
5/28/12 at 5:26pm
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The TV is defective - it should not do that no matter what the source or connection is. It's probably the board that drives the lower half of the panel. I'd return the set for exchange if possible, or call Panasonic to get it repaired. The people that answer the phones at Panasonic have no technical knowledge of their products and are only good for setting up a warranty repair visit.

Oh Oh! Thanks Randy. I'm new to this forum and really don't know too much about this stuff. But I recognize your name as one of the more knowledgeable on this forum. I thought the same thing as far as being defective but after the Panasonic rep said it was the way I had it connected, well I figured I'd ask the forum members for input. I purchased it at Best Buy with a 4 yr extended warranty. Should I call them to replace?
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post #3138 of 9468
5/28/12 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by rjm-1 View Post

OK, Cool. So HDMI from cable box to tv. Audio cables (maybe S-video or Optical) from receiver to tv. Paystation to tv via HDMI. Does that sound right?

Not quite, but the other guy had an even better suggestion as to exchange it.
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post #3139 of 9468
5/28/12 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by rjm-1 View Post

OK, Cool. So HDMI from cable box to tv. Audio cables (maybe S-video or Optical) from receiver to tv. Paystation to tv via HDMI. Does that sound right?

Also I was wondering if anyone had seen the image I posted on their tv? Or is my problem unique?

S-video is ancient history, my friend. You won't find it on any new TVs.
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post #3140 of 9468
5/28/12 at 6:40pm
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Oh Oh! Thanks Randy. I'm new to this forum and really don't know too much about this stuff. But I recognize your name as one of the more knowledgeable on this forum. I thought the same thing as far as being defective but after the Panasonic rep said it was the way I had it connected, well I figured I'd ask the forum members for input. I purchased it at Best Buy with a 4 yr extended warranty. Should I call them to replace?

I would do that first. If it turns out your receiver and TV just don't play nice together, then do:

From cable box: HDMI to TV, optical or coax audio to receiver
From PS3: HDMI to TV, optical or coax audio to receiver

Or upgrade the receiver. 1612s and 1712s are very cheap ath the moment and you could get a good price on the 1611 on Craigslist.
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post #3141 of 9468
5/28/12 at 6:44pm
^^^I don't think going from the PS3 to the TV is necessary, just the cable box...
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post #3142 of 9468
5/28/12 at 6:44pm
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OK, Cool. So HDMI from cable box to tv. Audio cables (maybe S-video or Optical) from receiver to tv. Paystation to tv via HDMI. Does that sound right?

Also I was wondering if anyone had seen the image I posted on their tv? Or is my problem unique?

I also think you should exchange the set with your dealer if that's possible. If you bought it from a dealer with no return policy or you've exceeded the return date, then get Panasonic to repair it.

As for the change in connections, I think you've gotten it a little mixed up. S-Video is not an audio cable. You may want to try this setup. If it fails than you will have stronger information to give Panasonic. Remember that you can always ask to move up the support chain.

Connect the cable box to the TV using HDMI. Your cable box also should have a digital audio output. Our Comcast box has both types -- coax (copper wire) and optical (glass wire). Either one will work. Just connect one of them to your AVR and choose the correct input option to get audio.

If there is nothing wrong with your TV then that should work. I don't think it will but it might.

Leave your PS3 connected with HDMI to your AVR, and the AVR connected to your TV, also with HDMI. If the PS3 works, and the new setup with your cable box works too, then maybe the rep was right. If your TV is bad it shouldn't work with either setup.

Your picture doesn't match any symptom that I know about relating to HDMI handshake problems. When the rep said you had a timing problem that sounds like they are referring to HDMI. It wouldn't hurt to check all your HDMI connections and make sure that they are tight, and that none of them are heavy or stiff enough to put stress on the connection.
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post #3143 of 9468
5/28/12 at 7:21pm
Stopped by my local best buy this afternoon to see if I could get a preview of my soon to be shipped 60ST50. Unfortunately the only model they had on display from this line was the 55...and it was playing a 3D demo. Looked pretty good actually...but sadly I was unable to see it playing the regular 2D loop. They did have a 50" from the UT line...and I have to say it was one of the worst pictures in the store. Yes, it was on the higher row of displays, so not ideal viewing conditions...but it was dim and washed out and quite unimpressive, even compared to all the other units at the same height. Definitely hoping the ST is nothing like that.
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5/28/12 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by rjm-1 View Post

OK, Cool. So HDMI from cable box to tv. Audio cables (maybe S-video or Optical) from receiver to tv. Paystation to tv via HDMI. Does that sound right?

Also I was wondering if anyone had seen the image I posted on their tv? Or is my problem unique?

Run everything into your avr via hdmi (not sure about the preferred setup for a playstation), run one hdmi out of avr to hdmi 2 of the tv. Turn on auto return channel (arc) in your avr. I think you have only one optical input on your avr, so connect that one to the tv so that you can use your sound system when using Viera Connect apps (netflix, amazon etc).

In the Setup menu of the tv look for Viera Settings, you can change those to on so that everything turns on and/or off at the same time or not- explanations of changes are shown at the bottom of the screen.

Edit: Sorry but it's not a lag that's causing your problem, as Randy said, and a work around shouldn't be the answer since your avr is perfectly able to handle the above setup.
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5/28/12 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by rjm-1 View Post

I just purchased a new Panasonic TC-P55ST50. I'm new to this but followed this forums suggestion on 100 hr aging and final settings. Picture is phenomenal except for one issue I have intermittently on start up. Every now and then when I turn on the set, I get half a screen. The lower half is like a giant multi-colored bar code, and the upper half are people with blue faces. Changing the channel a couple of times usually resolves it. Panasonic says it's a lag between devices and that I should run my cable directly to the tv via the cable box. No other devices should be inline. I have a Denon AVR-1611 receiver connected between the cable box and the tv utilizing HDMI cables. I also have a Sony Playstation for DVD's connected to the receiver. I also experience HDMI handshake quite often. Usually resolved by turning everything off and on again. Below is a picture of the TV with this problem. Any suggestions on proper way to connect these devices to resolve this issue would be greatfully appreciated. Thanks, Rich

I assume you had a the same setup with an older TV and this never happened right? If so the new TV is probably is problem and it is defective. I wouldn't totally rule out a defective receiver or cable box though, you'll just have to switch or swap things around to test them I guess.

Start with hooking up a different TV or use a computer monitor to test your cable+receiver setup.
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post #3146 of 9468
5/29/12 at 2:53am
Has anyone experimented with setting their Blu-Ray player to 1080p/24 or 1080p/60 to see which handles the 3:2 pulldown better? There's a thread over at HDJ discussing the VT30, and Kevin Miller seems to recommend outputting 1080p/60 and have the display do the 3:2 pulldown while others felt that doing it the other way made it look smoother. When the VT30 was fed a 24p source with the display set to 60Hz, there seems to be some motion smoothing and I was wondering if this is present in the ST50 as well.
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5/29/12 at 3:43am
Is it possible to opticaly passthrough DST 5.1 from HDD plugged to TV via USB (MKV movie with 1,5Mb/s DTS 5.1 sound) to external decoder (i.e. Logitech Z-5500)? In spec of tv there's DTS 2.0. How can I get 5.1 sound on my logitech speakers?
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5/29/12 at 4:29am
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Is it possible to opticaly passthrough DST 5.1 from HDD plugged to TV via USB (MKV movie with 1,5Mb/s DTS 5.1 sound) to external decoder (i.e. Logitech Z-5500)? In spec of tv there's DTS 2.0. How can I get 5.1 sound on my logitech speakers?

I believe you're limited to 2.0 output from the TV. You would need to connect the USB drive to an external box like a Roku 2 XS or WD TV Live! to get 5.1 sound.
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post #3149 of 9468
5/29/12 at 4:31am
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Stopped by my local best buy this afternoon to see if I could get a preview of my soon to be shipped 60ST50. Unfortunately the only model they had on display from this line was the 55...and it was playing a 3D demo. Looked pretty good actually...but sadly I was unable to see it playing the regular 2D loop. They did have a 50" from the UT line...and I have to say it was one of the worst pictures in the store. Yes, it was on the higher row of displays, so not ideal viewing conditions...but it was dim and washed out and quite unimpressive, even compared to all the other units at the same height. Definitely hoping the ST is nothing like that.

Same thing at my Best Buy. The 55ST50 was in a 3D display and mounted right next to an eye-searingly bright LED but with good lighting. The 60UT50 was high near the ceiling and washed out by the bright pendant lights.
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5/29/12 at 4:37am
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They did have a 50" from the UT line...and I have to say it was one of the worst pictures in the store. Yes, it was on the higher row of displays, so not ideal viewing conditions...but it was dim and washed out and quite unimpressive, even compared to all the other units at the same height. Definitely hoping the ST is nothing like that.

You can relax. The UT has no AR filter. Its a giant mirror.
The filter on the ST is worth every cent.
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