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post #3451 of 9472
6/8/12 at 10:55am
I have a problem actually more just a head scratcher i have the Panasonic VIERA TC-P50ST50 and When i connect to the internet on my TV and click on the apps Web Browser icon what looks like a web browser pops up but i can't do anything with the cursor. The cursor freezes when i try to type in the address box for instance. What am i doing wrong? Any help is appreciated.
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post #3452 of 9472
6/8/12 at 11:20am
@ Sancas- a thought just occurred to me. How does the image look with blu ray and what cables are you using?
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post #3453 of 9472
6/8/12 at 1:30pm
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There seems to be undefeatable motion smoothing on this set. It's really not that bad but it's there for sure.

I retract this 100%. I was sending 24p direct in from ps3 which was causing motion smoothing for some reason. Changed it to "off" on ps3" and now everything is kosher. Phew:rolleyes:
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post #3454 of 9472
6/8/12 at 2:36pm
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wow, 70! i thought i was pushing it at 60 --- any possible harm to the set possible turning up the volumes this loud ?


Unlikely at 70; and Probably Unlikely even above that - although don't recall right now what the "max" volume setting is on the ST50.

You SHOULD be able to hear Distortion begin to creep into the audio if you are driving either the speakers or the amplifier too high: at THAT point, it would be wise to dial the setting back somewhat!

And - as I believe someone else has pointed out - "70" is just a number: Pan could re-calibrate their volume reading so that the same "loudness" would only register "50" - or even "20"!

A lot of owners used to think they had a Powerful Amp if the Rotary Volume Control blasted their ears at Position 1 (of, say, 10), and would buy that amp over another that only reached the same apparent loudness on a setting of "5" or "6," even though the rated output specs were similar. In truth, the more likely scenario was that the manufacturer of the first AMP simply chose a high ramp-up for their vol control (perhaps with their Target Market in mind....), and thus sacrificed Fine Control at lower volume settings...


In any event, we have often ran Pan plasmas at Nearly their "full volume" setting, and haven't had any blow up on us yet.

Even so, because the ST50 is still so new, if I find myself tempted to push much beyond "70" will simply give up & turn the HTR on - but that seems a "waste" for morning exercises...
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post #3455 of 9472
6/8/12 at 5:00pm
Anyone here go from a VT to ST? If so can you share your overall impressions. I came across a UK review of the VT and it stated that the ST can go brighter. I'm not clear if this is limited to the UK version of the VT (I think that's what the article is saying) but I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who has gone this direction. By the way, that review really praises the ST.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p50vt50b-p50vt50-201204101757.htm
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post #3456 of 9472
6/8/12 at 6:44pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

Unlikely at 70; and Probably Unlikely even above that - although don't recall right now what the "max" volume setting is on the ST50.
You SHOULD be able to hear Distortion begin to creep into the audio if you are driving either the speakers or the amplifier too high: at THAT point, it would be wise to dial the setting back somewhat!
And - as I believe someone else has pointed out - "70" is just a number: Pan could re-calibrate their volume reading so that the same "loudness" would only register "50" - or even "20"!
A lot of owners used to think they had a Powerful Amp if the Rotary Volume Control blasted their ears at Position 1 (of, say, 10), and would buy that amp over another that only reached the same apparent loudness on a setting of "5" or "6," even though the rated output specs were similar. In truth, the more likely scenario was that the manufacturer of the first AMP simply chose a high ramp-up for their vol control (perhaps with their Target Market in mind....), and thus sacrificed Fine Control at lower volume settings...
In any event, we have often ran Pan plasmas at Nearly their "full volume" setting, and haven't had any blow up on us yet.
Even so, because the ST50 is still so new, if I find myself tempted to push much beyond "70" will simply give up & turn the HTR on - but that seems a "waste" for morning exercises...


great, thanks for the detailed reply! I will worry less about turning the volume up.
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post #3457 of 9472
6/8/12 at 7:36pm
Do you mean what it looks like with my current Sharp LED TV or the Panasonic I returned? I'm using HDMI cables and the image looks great via my PS3 bluray except of course for the motion judder and the white blobs on a full black screen
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@ Sancas- a thought just occurred to me. How does the image look with blu ray and what cables are you using?

Edited by Sancas - 6/8/12 at 8:31pm
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post #3458 of 9472
6/9/12 at 12:30am
I got flashes during ice hockey (which i never watch actually) but is this a common problem or is my ST50 faulty?
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post #3459 of 9472
6/9/12 at 4:15am
With ice hockey, it's probably the photographers triggering remote flashes that you're seeing.
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post #3460 of 9472
6/9/12 at 4:55am
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

With ice hockey, it's probably the photographers triggering remote flashes that you're seeing.
Yes, but is this normal?
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post #3461 of 9472
6/9/12 at 11:32am
Anyone have any game mode settings they care to share? There isn't too much to tweak, but it appears gamma is much higher than I have in custom, with no way to adjust it down. I'm also getting what appears to be blue/green push. It generally looks cooler than custom, even set to warm 2. The input lag is reduced so low in game mode, it would be nice to get some decent settings.
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post #3462 of 9472
6/9/12 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Spelbreker View Post

Yes, but is this normal?
The flashes are actually at the arena. They are in the signal being sent to your display. There seems to be an open question about whether the display is handling the flashes in the best possible way.

That type of photographic activity seems to be more frequent during the playoffs.

Since you "never watch ice hockey" it's probably abnormal that you are concerned. wink.gif
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post #3463 of 9472
6/9/12 at 3:33pm
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Finished the 100 hours of slides this morning on my 60ST50 and tried playing around with D-Nice's settings over lunch. Looked okay, but didn't really pop for me. Changing the gamma to 2.2 and the color temp to normal definitely helped. I tried some other settings I saw online, including the CNET ones, and also used the Disney WOW disc. I like where I ended up. Looks nice during the day, but fantastic at night. It just seemed to get better as the night went on. Game of Thrones and Mad Men blew me away. Even Frozen Planet with all its whites looked great. And this was all just 1080i stuff from the satellite DVR, probably compressed like hell. Haven't even done any nighttime viewing of Blu-ray/1080p. Can't wait!


I think I'm going to be happy with it. Glad I returned my LG 55LM7600 LCD/LED with its flashlighting, washed-out blacks, lack of detail, lumpy faces, and motion artifacts. Plasma rules! No hint of image retention as yet. But I never had a problem with that on my old Panasonic plasma either, despite my video game playing. Oh, there was one time when a DVD menu imprinted itself on the old set, but that went away after a little time spent watching other material.


The 3D on the new plasma still doesn't have quite the same pop as the passive 3D on the LG, but it's viewable and enveloping. This whole experience has made me realize that 2D performance and PQ is so much more important than 3D anyway. Who watches 3D all the time?

would you mind sharing your tweaks? I did the d-nice prep and settings, but it's just too dark for me (although the colors are very accurate).
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post #3464 of 9472
6/10/12 at 9:54am
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would you mind sharing your tweaks? I did the d-nice prep and settings, but it's just too dark for me (although the colors are very accurate).

My 60ST50 settings are pretty close to the CNET 55ST50 settings (especially in regards to White Balance), but with the following differences (this is on Custom):

Contrast: 83
Brightness: 53
Color: 54
Color Temp: Normal
Gamma Adjustment: 2.2

I'm pretty happy with this, both during the day in the bright room and in the darkness at night. Brightness level is fine and skin tones look good. Colors pop.

Happy with the TV in general. No motion artifacts. No buzzing unless I'm within a few inches of the back of the panel. Hockey looks fine.

The only thing I can't get right is that the picture still seems a bit soft, compared to my 5-year old 50" Panasonic TH-50PZ700U. Any suggestions for increasing sharpness (without actually engaging the useless Sharpness control), would be appreciated.
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post #3465 of 9472
6/10/12 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

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The only thing I can't get right is that the picture still seems a bit soft, compared to my 5-year old 50" Panasonic TH-50PZ700U. Any suggestions for increasing sharpness (without actually engaging the useless Sharpness control), would be appreciated.


By a smaller tv. eek.gif

Only slightly tongue-in-cheek! wink.gif


Or perhaps get a "calibration disk" - such as the FREE AVS HD709 - and have a run at setting the Sharpness control.
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post #3466 of 9472
6/10/12 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by gab2409 View Post

would you mind sharing your tweaks? I did the d-nice prep and settings, but it's just too dark for me (although the colors are very accurate).

My 60ST50 settings are pretty close to the CNET 55ST50 settings (especially in regards to White Balance), but with the following differences (this is on Custom):

Contrast: 83
Brightness: 53
Color: 54
Color Temp: Normal
Gamma Adjustment: 2.2

I'm pretty happy with this, both during the day in the bright room and in the darkness at night. Brightness level is fine and skin tones look good. Colors pop.

Happy with the TV in general. No motion artifacts. No buzzing unless I'm within a few inches of the back of the panel. Hockey looks fine.

The only thing I can't get right is that the picture still seems a bit soft, compared to my 5-year old 50" Panasonic TH-50PZ700U. Any suggestions for increasing sharpness (without actually engaging the useless Sharpness control), would be appreciated.

What's your source? Have you tried a good Blu-ray?

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
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post #3467 of 9472
6/10/12 at 10:28am
I still don't have any answer to my question. Can someone please check if you can get 5.1 DTS sound on external speakers thrugh optical out (i.e. Logitech Z-5500) playing mkv movies from portable HDD? I know that samsung plasma E6500 can do this. What about panasonic?
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post #3468 of 9472
6/10/12 at 10:59am
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What's your source? Have you tried a good Blu-ray?

All sources. Blu-rays (through PS3) definitely look better than the Dish HD DVR, but still not primo. I tried Planet Earth, and it didn't look as sharp as I remember. Midnight In Paris looked verysoft, but that could just be the way the movie was shot.

Any recommended PS3 settings for connecting to this TV? Was especially wondering about the "Super-White" thing and the RGB (currently set to "Limited").

To Dierkdr:

I used Disney WoW for calibration. Increasing sharpness just seems to add noise rather than actual sharpness, though I did up it to about +10.

Thanks for the suggestions, guys!
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post #3469 of 9472
6/10/12 at 11:59am
"I still don't have any answer to my question. Can someone please check if you can get 5.1 DTS sound on external speakers thrugh optical out (i.e. Logitech Z-5500) playing mkv movies from portable HDD? I know that samsung plasma E6500 can do this. What about panasonic?"




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ARC or optical out will do 5.1 from OTA or apps/attached media that support it, but any external source routed through the TV (Blu-Ray player, set-top box, etc.) are downmixed to stereo.





not sure if this answers your question. hope it helps.
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post #3470 of 9472
6/10/12 at 12:05pm
Anyone tried to get the iPhone remote app to work with this set? I can't get it to see my television on the network.
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post #3471 of 9472
6/10/12 at 3:44pm
thanks, rwinston. I felt the cnet settings improved the darkness issue, and yours seems to brighten it up a bit more. I like it in the daytime, and hope that it carries over to the night as well.
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post #3472 of 9472
6/11/12 at 12:20am
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

All sources. Blu-rays (through PS3) definitely look better than the Dish HD DVR, but still not primo. I tried Planet Earth, and it didn't look as sharp as I remember. Midnight In Paris looked verysoft, but that could just be the way the movie was shot.
Any recommended PS3 settings for connecting to this TV? Was especially wondering about the "Super-White" thing and the RGB (currently set to "Limited").
To Dierkdr:
I used Disney WoW for calibration. Increasing sharpness just seems to add noise rather than actual sharpness, though I did up it to about +10.
Thanks for the suggestions, guys!

Have you got all the correct settings for 1-on-1 pixelmapping? So no overscan and HDMI set to 'Size 2'?

If not, these should help immensely for creating a sharper look without adjusting the sharpness setting.
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post #3473 of 9472
6/11/12 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by Spelbreker View Post

I got flashes during ice hockey (which i never watch actually) but is this a common problem or is my ST50 faulty?

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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

With ice hockey, it's probably the photographers triggering remote flashes that you're seeing.

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Originally Posted by Spelbreker View Post

Yes, but is this normal?

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

The flashes are actually at the arena. They are in the signal being sent to your display. There seems to be an open question about whether the display is handling the flashes in the best possible way.
That type of photographic activity seems to be more frequent during the playoffs.
Since you "never watch ice hockey" it's probably abnormal that you are concerned. wink.gif
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sigh i was just about to pull the trigger on this and more and more ppl are reporting this. it sucks, even though the season is almost over, watching hockey will be like the #1 thing I will be watching on my set frown.gif
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post #3474 of 9472
6/11/12 at 5:31am
I just posted this over in the VT50 thread since it came up again. I really don't think it's anything to worry about:
"I'm sure that these white flashes are remote strobes used by Sports Illustrated and other major media outlets . I've been a professional newspaper shooter for 36 years and my paper has done this to arenas we shoot in. Usually it's two but more often four units mounted high up in the venue on the four corners of the floor/rink. These are very high powered flash units that recycle very fast, sometimes as quick as a second. Also, there is usually more than one set of strobes, sometimes as many as four so you may see a lot of very quick flashes that may appear long in duration but could just be two or three sets of lights firing in succession since all the units are on their own radio frequency. No one has ever said if the flashes they are seeing are rapid like an eye blink or a "I can count to two or three" before there is an image on their displays type of deal. I can see them all the time since I know what to look for which is kind of fun when there is a slow motion replay of a big play since I always watch to see where the strobes go off during the play and can usually tell what shooter was right on, close or way off clicking their shutter."
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post #3475 of 9472
6/11/12 at 6:21am
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sigh i was just about to pull the trigger on this and more and more ppl are reporting this. it sucks, even though the season is almost over, watching hockey will be like the #1 thing I will be watching on my set frown.gif

We watched the last period of game 5 of the Stanley Cup the other night and we saw the flashing and brightness pops on my 2009 46G10 in the man-room and also on our 2005 42PX50U that's in the den, so it must be something in the broadcast. I've never paid much attention to this before but now that i've seen it go viral on the forums i'm noticing it more now, but it's always been there over the years. I've also seen similar effects while watching a BMX competition on ESPN several months ago on my old G10.

Maybe since the new 2012 models are so much brighter and more accurate the issue is amplified moreso than on previous models?
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post #3476 of 9472
6/11/12 at 6:54am
I've had my 60st50 setup for a little over a week now and it looks fantastic. I watched the last 2 celtics/heat games and it looked incredible. I watched Hugo 3D with the wife and kids and the 3D was great. The movie was boring but the images were good. We have 2 panasonic glasses and 3 samsung glasses and all work fine. I watched Gladiator over fios and the black levels were fantastic. I have a 2009 50gt15 that I use thx mode and with my new set I followed D-Nice's advice with his settings and 100 hr slides and the st50 looks way better. I'm not a fan of breaking in, but I got my tv about a week before I could set it up, so it had nothing else to do, so I ran the slides.
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post #3477 of 9472
6/11/12 at 7:10am
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

We watched the last period of game 5 of the Stanley Cup the other night and we saw the flashing and brightness pops on my 2009 46G10 in the man-room and also on our 2005 42PX50U that's in the den, so it must be something in the broadcast. I've never paid much attention to this before but now that i've seen it go viral on the forums i'm noticing it more now, but it's always been there over the years. I've also seen similar effects while watching a BMX competition on ESPN several months ago on my old G10.
Maybe since the new 2012 models are so much brighter and more accurate the issue is amplified moreso than on previous models?
i've watched all games on non plasma displays (a2000 sxrd, ln650 lcd, hx929 led) and haven't seen any of the brightness pops, so i assume it is definitely something with the processing on plasmas. whether or not it's the flashes in the arena or the broadcast the issue is plasmas are apparently processing something which leads to these pops. and it troubles me, i guess i'll have to take the plunge and see for myself if it bothers me up close in person. been recording all the games so i have some source material as i most probably be having this set during the off season.
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post #3478 of 9472
6/11/12 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by undeclinable View Post

Have you got all the correct settings for 1-on-1 pixelmapping? So no overscan and HDMI set to 'Size 2'?
If not, these should help immensely for creating a sharper look without adjusting the sharpness setting.

Thanks! It didn't even occur to me to turn off overscan, since when I did that on my old TV I got crud at the sides of the picture. Going to Size 2 on the ST50 doesn't seem to add any noise on the sides, at least from the DVR, so that's good. I didn't notice any big clarity improvement (maybe a bit), but I'll have to review some more material. Haven't tried Blu-ray yet since changing it.
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post #3479 of 9472
6/11/12 at 10:51am
Well I finished the slides and what does the better 1/2 want to watch? "Bridget Jones Diary" smile.gifAll I can say is Colin Firth HAIR was black and Inky wink.gif

As for Volume, we were listening around a 30-35; which seemed to be plenty.

Hopefully, I'll get to watch a nice action flick this weekend. Maybe Romeo and Juliet cool.gif
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post #3480 of 9472
6/11/12 at 11:48am
This has been covered a few times in this thread already, but if you do not turn off C.A.T.S, you are going to have problems with the flashes while watching hockey. So, those that are complaining about the problem being there, can you please confirm that C.A.T.S. is off, so that those contemplating whether or not to purchase one of these sets can be fully informed?
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