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post #3751 of 9972
I have an Onkyo 818 and I was wondering if the thx modes and the video processing on that would make a difference if I chose a 60ST50 vs a 55VT50? Basically, I'm asking if I should opt for the bigger tv, with less features?
post #3752 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sn1ffb0 View Post

I have an Onkyo 818 and I was wondering if the thx modes and the video processing on that would make a difference if I chose a 60ST50 vs a 55VT50? Basically, I'm asking if I should opt for the bigger tv, with less features?

If you had the VT50, you wouldn't be able to really use the isf feature on the Onkyo, because it would probably screw up the VT50's isf settings... that or you or your calibrator could use both together to possibly tweak it even better.

Smart thing would be to get the ST50, and use the 818's isf modes to tweak the picture. Why pay extra for a feature you already have?
post #3753 of 9972
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Originally Posted by MetalMX23 View Post

My 50ST50 is buzzing to some degree but im not sure if its buzzing or if it is in fact some very quiet electrical circuits...
It is also smelling a bit from the top is this normal?? I just got it a few days ago.
Has anyone else had this problem when they received they're panel?
I have a suspicion a circuit could be broken or something. I will have to call Panasonic to ask them anyway...
My 55 had that smell when I first turned it on. Lasted about three days with the smell decreasing each day. It's gone now. Really love this display. No problems and amazing PQ. Using it in my living room which has blinds Incan close but brightness of the room doesn't seem to be a problem. Watching Euro soccer right now and it justs looks as vibrant as you could want.
post #3754 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RWetmore View Post

Has it been reported here how much the black level changes with size? I've heard the bigger sizes do a little bit darker blacks. Is this true?
From what I've heard, that is true. However this year they seem to be a lot closer.
post #3755 of 9972
Potentially stupid question here. So I recently upgraded from an older 1080p DLP Samsung to a 55"ST50. I've done the 100hr panel-prep, using D-Nice's settings, etc. So far, i'm really impressed with the picture quality overall; it's almost three-dimensional, the colors pop, it's sharp as heck compared to my DLP, etc.

But...

man is background judder *much* more noticable on mid-speed and high-speed pans. Way, way more noticable. It's not as much of an issue on Blu-Rays from my PS3, but Comcast/Xfinity cable (via HDMI) is pretty brutal, especially on "hot" video-filmed programming.

Is there some reason that the background pan judder is so much more noticable than on my older DLP? Something different between the two technologies? It's not a big enough issue to make me return the TV (and the rest of the picture quality is amazing), but holy cow is it more noticable.
post #3756 of 9972
My ST50 has developed a new issue. I was watching EURO 2012 on ESPN this afternoon and the green grass of the soccer field kept fluctuating in brightness. I do not think this was the same issue that has been common in some indoor sports. The shade of grass kept changing. This also happened on close-ups. Thinking and hoping that it may have been stadium specific, I kept it on ESPN and have noticed the exact same thing when they showed baseball highlights. I have not noticed this issue when I briefly checked other stations and content. There is currently not another soccer game or baseball game on any other channel I get but I want to check it again later tonight on a different channel when the evening games start. But does anyone have any idea what this is? It's very annoying.
post #3757 of 9972
60st50 owner for a week and loving every min it of it. im blown away by how far they come since my last one 5-6 years ago. im running d-nices out of the box NON prep custom settings with my own calibrated brightness as i found his a bit dark. i went 60 as i could not find a stand/mount solution to fit my needs with a 65inch display. this thing is beautiful and if your on the fence i say go for it.

im a 3rd time plasma owner dating back many years when 42" SD plasmas were over 4k. i own a 42/50/and now 60. i still use the 42 in the basement for wii, dvd and tv. i game on them all, i watch whatever i want for as long as i want...and you know what??? they all look great with NO damage. there is WAY to much time and attention spent on IR and buzzing by people who go looking for problems rather than enjoying what they have. no display on the market is perfect and if you look hard enough for a problem, your eventually going to find it. these "traits" in all plasmas are non issues and under normal circumstances are not noticeable. stop obsessing and enjoy your beautiful display.
post #3758 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chris_2018 View Post

My ST50 has developed a new issue. I was watching EURO 2012 on ESPN this afternoon and the green grass of the soccer field kept fluctuating in brightness. I do not think this was the same issue that has been common in some indoor sports. The shade of grass kept changing. This also happened on close-ups. Thinking and hoping that it may have been stadium specific, I kept it on ESPN and have noticed the exact same thing when they showed baseball highlights. I have not noticed this issue when I briefly checked other stations and content. There is currently not another soccer game or baseball game on any other channel I get but I want to check it again later tonight on a different channel when the evening games start. But does anyone have any idea what this is? It's very annoying.

Update: This appears to be an ESPN issue I think as it is doing the same thing on all content on ESPN. The other ESPN stations are fine as is the MLB network. I watched the same highlights on ESPN2 and everything was fine. I hope that this clears up and does not become a permanent thing as I watch alot of ESPN.
post #3759 of 9972
I watched the entire soccer match this afternoon and never once saw any fluctuations of any kind on my 55ST50.
post #3760 of 9972
So there's only one nagging problem with my ST50. When displaying 30 FPS games, there's a lot of frame judder. It's not motion blur, but it's like the TV gets really confused and not know which frame to present. Is this a common problem with 30 FPS content on plasmas? At 60 FPS, motion is perfect...

Is there anything I can do to fix the 30 FPS problem? Even applying strong motion filtering doesn't help a whole lot.

Actually, I'm noticing it on my PC running at 60 fps too... It doesn't show up when I'm running a PS3 game at 60 fps (Ninja Gaiden).
Edited by grimace912 - 6/27/12 at 10:04pm
post #3761 of 9972
Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this question. I just got 65st50. I have an older peerless wall mount, which is rated for 32"-63" and capable of handling 150lb. Can I safely hang the 65" st50 on that? The spacing for the bracket for my older 60" TV was 19". 65st50 has the spacing of 27" between the brackets. So, I do not get much horizontal adjustment, which is fine. I'm just wondering about safety based on 32"-63" specs.
post #3762 of 9972
I had the 55ST50 and used D-Nice's slides and settings and after a week the pic was pretty amazing with a few of my own personal tweeks. Well, took that TV back in exchange for a 65ST50! Just Shipped today, I cant wait!

Just had to share
JimT
post #3763 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Sam1000 View Post

Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this question. I just got 65st50. I have an older peerless wall mount, which is rated for 32"-63" and capable of handling 150lb. Can I safely hang the 65" st50 on that? The spacing for the bracket for my older 60" TV was 19". 65st50 has the spacing of 27" between the brackets. So, I do not get much horizontal adjustment, which is fine. I'm just wondering about safety based on 32"-63" specs.

The 65st50 only weighs 84 lbs, so the weight shouldn't be a problem.
post #3764 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

If you have a 60"/65" panel, they're slightly different than the 50/55. D-Nice's settings are for the 50/55, though he plans on posting settings for the 60/65 as well. To have the gamma at 2.2, the 50/55 needs to be set to 2.6, whereas the 60/65 needs to be at 2.4. His settings also have the brightness at 56/57, but my 60ST50 needs to be at 54/55.


wow, I can't wait for this, I was under the impression all along that his settings were for all ST50 models ! i tried the gamma at 2.4 with brightness at 54, and it looks so different (more detail visible)
post #3765 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Solid colored slides and even the scrolling bar aren't the best way to get rid of IR. Watching regular viewing content works much better.

Thanks, doing this has greatly faded the IR. biggrin.gif
Not gone yet but getting there. Shame I cant use display as a monitor tho.
post #3766 of 9972
anyone care to share which 3D glasses they are using with this set?

Never owned a passive set before, and just want to make sure I order some quality ones!

thanks in advance!
post #3767 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tlockhart View Post

anyone care to share which 3D glasses they are using with this set?
Never owned a passive set before, and just want to make sure I order some quality ones!
thanks in advance!
I bought the official Panasonic 2012 ones, in fact I just got a text confirming they were delivered, at my home. I'll check them out when I get home from work as well as look for some 3D settings. Also this set is not passive 3D, it' full active shutter 3D.
post #3768 of 9972
What is Costco's product number for the ST50 series?

John
post #3769 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tlockhart View Post

anyone care to share which 3D glasses they are using with this set?
Never owned a passive set before, and just want to make sure I order some quality ones!
thanks in advance!

There aren't a lot of choices, and like RangersFan says, it's active, not passive.

I've got the standard Panasonic ones (TY-ER3D4MU) which are like $50 on Amazon, and they seem to work pretty well. I've also ordered the $20 Samsung ones (SSG-4100GB) and should be getting them today.

Here's some reviews/comparisons:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57441520-221/sorta-universal-active-3d-tv-glasses-compared/
post #3770 of 9972
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Originally Posted by falsedawn View Post

What is Costco's product number for the ST50 series?
John

Costco is not currently carrying the st50 yet. All they have had for Panasonic is the U. I would have considerred getting my ST50 from Costco, but we did not want to wait to see if they ever do get it in. They may not be in until later in the Summer or Fall. Good Luck biggrin.gif
Edited by Woody Harris - 6/28/12 at 4:24pm
post #3771 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

There aren't a lot of choices, and like RangersFan says, it's active, not passive.
I've got the standard Panasonic ones (TY-ER3D4MU) which are like $50 on Amazon, and they seem to work pretty well. I've also ordered the $20 Samsung ones (SSG-4100GB) and should be getting them today.
Here's some reviews/comparisons:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57441520-221/sorta-universal-active-3d-tv-glasses-compared/

I too read that excellent review article between the compatible bluetooth 3D glasses.
I got one of the cheap Samsung 3D glasses (uses a replaceable lithium coin battery) at a local Best Buy for $20 the day I bought my 50ST50 to test out the 3D, and it worked fine.
I then ordered on ebay for less than 1/2 price one of the Panasonic rechargeable battery models (like new, open box) and got that a few days later. That works fine as well.

Its recommended to have the Panasonic glasses for primary 3D use (more comfortable model) and get the cheaper Samsung glasses for guests/kids.
You can buy extra batteries for the Samsung glasses really cheap on ebay, like a set of five batteries for a $1.25 or so, far cheaper than in stores and each on should last for several months of active 3D use.
post #3772 of 9972
Has anyone tried watching any 3D titles from cable systems?
My Time Warner cable has a bunch of free 3D titles under the on-demand list.
They use the "over/under" 3D format where the left eye's image is the upper half of the screen, and the right eye's image is the lower half of the screen.

I've also played some 3D video files in the over/under format and also the "side-by-side" format where the left image is on the left half of the screen and the right image is on the right half of the screen.
The Panasonic ST50 can detect these various 3D formats if Auto2 is selected in the 3D settings menu.
After a few seconds of playing the 3D video in one of these formats it switches to 3D mode.

What I have found is with a side-by-side format video it works well and stays in 3D the whole time also works perfectly with regular 3D Blu-ray disc titles.
But with the over/under format (from cable box or a video file) the ST50 will sometimes switch back to 2D for a few seconds or a minute. Even if the over/under format is selected manually in the 3D settings it seems to do that.

Anyone else try over/under format 3D videos from such sources and get the same thing?
Must be a bug that could be fixed with a firmware update.
Is there a place to report such bugs to Panasonic?
post #3773 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Joxer View Post

I too read that excellent review article between the compatible bluetooth 3D glasses.
I got one of the cheap Samsung 3D glasses (uses a replaceable lithium coin battery) at a local Best Buy for $20 the day I bought my 50ST50 to test out the 3D, and it worked fine.
I then ordered on ebay for less than 1/2 price one of the Panasonic rechargeable battery models (like new, open box) and got that a few days later. That works fine as well.
Its recommended to have the Panasonic glasses for primary 3D use (more comfortable model) and get the cheaper Samsung glasses for guests/kids.
You can buy extra batteries for the Samsung glasses really cheap on ebay, like a set of five batteries for a $1.25 or so, far cheaper than in stores and each on should last for several months of active 3D use.

So the samsung glasses *perform* as well as the panasonic ones? They're just not as physically comfortable?

Thanks!
post #3774 of 9972
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Originally Posted by grimace912 View Post

So the samsung glasses *perform* as well as the panasonic ones? They're just not as physically comfortable?
Thanks!

Yes the Samsung 3D glasses work functionally fine, just the frame style is lighter/cheaper not like the regular sunglasses style of the Panasonic model.
post #3775 of 9972
Just did some 3D viewing with my new panasonic glasses and I'm floored. I have a sony hx929 led 3D set with Xpand103 glasses and I really couldn't tell the difference between full 3D blu-rays and half SBS 3D mkv video files, with the ST50 I can, the full 3D blu-rays look much better than half SBS or over under mkvs. I may actually purchase some 3D blurays (which I haven't done, I have a free Avatar 3D BD which came free with BD player I bought), I usually just download some 3D movies and never end up watching them cause 3D is still too gimmicky for me, but I am quite impressed with the 3D performance of the ST50. Does anyone have any good 3D settings? I am using cinema mode in 3D and it's quite good, but I'm sure it can be improved a great deal with custom settings.
post #3776 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RangersFan View Post

I may actually purchase some 3D blurays (which I haven't done, I have a free Avatar 3D BD which came free with BD player I bought), I usually just download some 3D movies and never end up watching them cause 3D is still too gimmicky for me, but I am quite impressed with the 3D performance of the ST50. Does anyone have any good 3D settings? I am using cinema mode in 3D and it's quite good, but I'm sure it can be improved a great deal with custom settings.

You are lucky, the Avatar 3D Blu-ray is hard to get. Upwards of $50 on eBay. They still haven't done a general consumer release of it, just that free giveaway.

I seem to recall someone posting some 3D picture settings in this thread fairly recently or maybe elsewhere (might have been on high def junkies). Sorry, don't remember exactly where. I tried them out and they seemed pretty good.
post #3777 of 9972
Thanks for the quick responses guys -

in my OP i meant to say active - brain fart

just ordered 2 pairs of the panny's for the girl and I, and 3 pairs of the sammy's for the guests!

LOVE THIS TV - BEST PURCHASE I'VE MADE IN MY 26 YEARS., outside of the Kia Optima I bought about a year ago.
post #3778 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tlockhart View Post

LOVE THIS TV - BEST PURCHASE I'VE MADE IN MY 26 YEARS., outside of the Kia Optima I bought about a year ago.

How is the picture quality on the Optima? Did you run the slides first? wink.gif

tlockhart, if I'm not mistaken, you were one of the ones who returned an LG LCD/LED and got the ST50 instead like I did, right? I am not regretting that decision.
post #3779 of 9972
Did some 3D gaming on the PS3, and it was ok, Wipeout was a blast, one of the few 3D games where 3D actually adds something to the gameplay rather than just being a gimmick. Would still love to see some 3D gaming in full 1080p, as every PS3 game that supports 3D runs the games in 720p. I'll try Gears of War 3 3D on 360 next to see if that plays in full 1080p.

edit: also I should add this set has me watching blurays again for the first time in years, to enjoy that extra level of PQ. I was just fine with streaming HD mkvs and streaming movie apps on my boxee, but the plasma has interested in getting the absolute best in PQ once again.
Edited by RangersFan - 6/28/12 at 3:46pm
post #3780 of 9972
I just bought P65ST50. Installed it. First two things that I noticed and disliked:
1. Glare -- from screen and from bezel. Ok, they apparently couldn't make the plasma panel anti-glare, but at least make the bezel matte!
2. First thing I watched -- Euro 2012 Spain vs. Portugal -- grass color was fluctuating every second. I thought ESPN fault and switched to my 2010 7000-series Samsung plasma -- no problem whatsoever. Went back to Panasonic -- almost unwatchable. Played with setting -- no help. How do I remedy this? I still have the recording to play with.
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