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post #3841 of 9472
7/2/12 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by monkeystomach View Post

I found it... I should have searched first.

Can you tell me where it is on the ST50? THnka
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post #3842 of 9472
7/2/12 at 8:13pm
Pulled the trigger on a 65ST50 last Sunday night, arrived from Amazon on Thursday (a day late for which Amazon very nicely compensated us - got to love Amazon!). It's great to finally have ordered a new TV, I've been considering a replacement for months, was going to go for an ST30, maybe a Sammy, but when I saw the recent price drop on the ST50, it was too good to refuse.

What an awesome TV, well, it's huge and thin, I can't speak to the picture quality really since I have not yet put on a single video. All i did was adjust the settings per D-Nice's instructions and start the slide show. It's been running since late Friday night, will finish on Wednesday. I'm glad I'm busy and haven't had time to mount it otherwise I would definitely not have been able to resist watching some content.

As per usual, Amazon is amazing, ordered Sunday, delivered Thursday (almost Wednesday), at no charge for shipping. Insane. 3 years ago when I ordered a 63" Sammy Plasma from Amazon it took over 3 weeks to arrive. The TV came in perfect condition, a close inspection showed no scratches, dings and the panel seems to be artifact free which is another great thing about running them, it should hopefully highlight any issues with the display.

Can't wait to check out LOTR, Avatar, Dark Knight etc. on blu ray on this baby.
Edited by emu - 7/2/12 at 8:20pm
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post #3843 of 9472
7/2/12 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by monkeystomach View Post

I bought a 65" ST50 last week and started running D-Nice's slides yesterday. I read through the FAQ on HDJ about the slides and settings, I turned off the orbiter but I still do not think that the slides are taking up the full screen. When I get close it appears that there are still black pixels. Is this just a border or should the image go all the way to the bezel? I have adjusted the format and used different inputs but I cannot get those pixels to illuminate. Please help...

I have the same border of pixels.

But something has me worried, you mentioned deactivating the pixel orbiter, D-Nice's instructions didn't mention that. I just went and turned it off, just in case, but the slides have been running for days now. Would the pixel orbiter have much impact with a static, uniform image like those in D-nice's slides?
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post #3844 of 9472
7/2/12 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by emu View Post

I have the same border of pixels.
But something has me worried, you mentioned deactivating the pixel orbiter, D-Nice's instructions didn't mention that. I just went and turned it off, just in case, but the slides have been running for days now. Would the pixel orbiter have much impact with a static, uniform image like those in D-nice's slides?
No.
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post #3845 of 9472
7/2/12 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

No.

Wouldn't have thought so, but got paranoid since I pretty much just jumped straight into the D-nice slides, I didn't do a great deal of research on them assuming he had all the settings included in his post on that errr.. "other" forum. smile.gif

Thanks.
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post #3846 of 9472
7/2/12 at 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by Ice That Jaw View Post

I ran D-nice's slides for a while but I notice some fuzziness of the gray slides, one of them actually shows neon green pixel snow if you look close enough.
I had this kind of graininess on my older Samsung but should it be present on this newer Panasonic? Is it just something that all big screens have? It's hard for me to except it because I have a 27" 1440p Crossover monitor and when I run the slides on it there is absolutely no grain or noise even when you put your face 2 inches from the screen. lol

What you describe is the typical dithering effect on Panasonic plasmas.
Thats normal and only visible up very close on the full screen slides, so nothing to worry about.
Other technologies like LCD/LED sets don't have that dithering though.
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post #3847 of 9472
7/3/12 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by Barana2080 View Post

Can you tell me where it is on the ST50? THnka

If you Google: "The Official How to Check the Hours Used on Your Plasma" the first result should be a thread over at **************... I would post a direct link, but I have read at other places on this forum that linking to that site is against the rules... I could be wrong on that rule though.
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post #3848 of 9472
7/3/12 at 6:26am
So is there a general consensus on whether we should have the pixel orbiter on or off? I just got the 55", ran the slides for 100 hours and put in D-nice's settings. I think I left it on for now. Are there any negative ramifications to leavin it on?
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post #3849 of 9472
7/3/12 at 3:28pm
how is this tv different from the gt50?
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post #3850 of 9472
7/3/12 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by MetalMX23 View Post

I'm using the DVE HD Basics Disc after doing 100 hours of D-Nice's slides. I'm up to the contrast part of the DVD and it says to set the contrast level below the point of any blooming between two squares there is a white square and a gray square below that and to go up in contrast enough to first see the blooming inbetween those two squares then lower it to the point just below any blooming between the squares the problem is i put my contrast up all the way to 100 and i cannot even see any blooming??
What gives?

I may be answering late, but I'm going to assume you have an older version of the disc (DVD rather than BlueRay). The 'blooming' they talk about applies to CRT-based sets. It should be explained that this setting does not apply to flat screen sets. I think.rolleyes.gif
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post #3851 of 9472
7/3/12 at 4:55pm
I need some advice here. I have a ST50. I need a soundbar, or surround system for Blu ray movies and Cable TV. I dont need music quality- just a nice upgrade from the TV speakers. Looking for easy hook-up and decent sound quality. around 300.00 to 400.00 range. What is the best for that price range?? Thanks for any ideas.
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post #3852 of 9472
7/3/12 at 5:21pm
I received my new P60ST50, which I like. It makes my other TV look bad. I used DNICE's setting which I think did improve the picture setting. The only thing is I feel it a little dark for my tastes. I have been playing with brightness, contrast and color trying to get the right balance. Anyone have the same issues with these settings and/or recommendations for the best way to brighten(make colors pop and retain sharpness)?
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post #3853 of 9472
7/3/12 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by Boyd Crowder View Post

I need some advice here. I have a ST50. I need a soundbar, or surround system for Blu ray movies and Cable TV. I dont need music quality- just a nice upgrade from the TV speakers. Looking for easy hook-up and decent sound quality. around 300.00 to 400.00 range. What is the best for that price range?? Thanks for any ideas.

Have seen reviews of soundbars on a few sites - try Cnet, Consumer Reports, perhaps Home Theater Mag....

Also: this is not a "ST50-Specific" question - might try posting this under a different thread (must be a Speaker / Surround Sound heading Somewhere - ??), and thus reach a wider audience.

Do you already have a Receiver you can use?
A blu-ray player?

Have you thought about placement? (Available height, width, and depth - and potentially weight limitations if your tv is pushing the rating for your stand.)

FWIW, would vote for "audio quality" over "Features" - particularly when shopping at a given price point. (Obvious Example: a GOOD 5.1 system will trump a CHEAP 7.1 system...)

Best of luck...
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post #3854 of 9472
7/3/12 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by benclement11 View Post

I received my new P60ST50, which I like. It makes my other TV look bad. I used DNICE's setting which I think did improve the picture setting. The only thing is I feel it a little dark for my tastes. I have been playing with brightness, contrast and color trying to get the right balance. Anyone have the same issues with these settings and/or recommendations for the best way to brighten(make colors pop and retain sharpness)?
You can always piece together your system slowly. Start with an AVReceiver and two speakers (towers or bookshelves) and go from there. It's important to timber match your front 3, or you can always go with a phantom center (two mains simulate a center, and any decent set of speakers will do a good job of it). Surrounds aren't nearly as important IMO.
Polk, Infinity, Klipsch and Energy all make good entry level budget speakers. For entry level receivers, I prefer Denon or Onkyo.

If you want to go the package route, there's a Denon receiver / Boston Acoustics package for around $450 that will sound better than any HTIB. Or if you can spend a bit more, the Martin Logan MLT-2 set or Energy Take Classic systems are good little packages; you'll need to buy a receiver though and these speaker packages sell for just under $400 themselves.
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post #3855 of 9472
7/3/12 at 5:53pm
Guyz im about to order a new tv set tonight please tell me how this tv is different from the gt50
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post #3856 of 9472
7/3/12 at 5:57pm
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Originally Posted by gregzzy22 View Post

Guyz im about to order a new tv set tonight please tell me how this tv is different from the gt50
Additions worth mentioning:
THX modes (Cinema, Brightroom, 3D)
Dual-core processor
1 extra HDMI/USB port
Aesthetics

Both sets will perform the same after calibrated but the THX modes gives you a little better out-of-the-box performance and good picture modes for day/night and 3D. Black levels, contrast, screen filter, brightness etc., are all the same (color accuracy too after calibration).
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post #3857 of 9472
7/3/12 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Additions worth mentioning:
THX modes (Cinema, Brightroom, 3D)
Dual-core processor
1 extra HDMI/USB port
Aesthetics
Both sets will perform the same after calibrated but the THX modes gives you a little better out-of-the-box performance and good picture modes for day/night and 3D. Black levels, contrast, screen filter, brightness etc., are all the same (color accuracy too after calibration).

Is the dual core processor a big difference? Minor? Can you lead me to some good calibration settings? I keep reading about a dnice? Do i calibrate right away?

Can sommeone also school me on running slides/dvd's? (first plasma) which one is better? Do i keep the tv on during running of slides? Do i ease up as hours rack up?

Thanks for any help. Leaning on the 55 st over 50 gt
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post #3858 of 9472
7/3/12 at 6:33pm
The dual-core processor just makes the apps/menus etc., faster. It might help with video playback from the SD/USB slot.

D-Nice's settings can be found at high def junkies dot com. You must signup to see the section. The instructions are on the first post of D-Nice's thread.
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post #3859 of 9472
7/3/12 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by benclement11 View Post

I received my new P60ST50, which I like. It makes my other TV look bad. I used DNICE's setting which I think did improve the picture setting. The only thing is I feel it a little dark for my tastes. I have been playing with brightness, contrast and color trying to get the right balance. Anyone have the same issues with these settings and/or recommendations for the best way to brighten(make colors pop and retain sharpness)?

Dnice will be releasing settings for the 60 and 65 inch ST's soon. He has said that a gamma setting of 2.4 will be used in those new settings.
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post #3860 of 9472
7/3/12 at 6:53pm
^thanks for the replies

How about as to where to purchase? Is it worth to buy from pauls for 100 less than amazon?
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post #3861 of 9472
7/3/12 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by gregzzy22 View Post

^thanks for the replies
How about as to where to purchase? Is it worth to buy from pauls for 100 less than amazon?

An individual call.

Personally, there are other factors that would enter into the equation:
Does the $100 difference take into account Shipping & Taxes?

Do you have a local Paul's outlet, and plan to pick the set up yourself? "Instant Gratification," but opens up other questions, such as "What happens if YOU break the panel, either in transportation, or carrying it / setting it up. Unlikely perhaps, but certainly not unheard of. (Of course, the larger the panel, the greater the hassle of handling it yourself.)

How does Paul's Return Policy compare to Amazon's?

FWIW, my brother purchased a set from a local Paul's, & had them deliver it, and was pleased with the experience.

We've ordered a couple of panels from Amazon, and were very pleased with their "White Glove" delivery & set up - although other people have reported a less-than-satisfactory experience with the process. (A lot seems to depend upon the local delivery service!)
Sad to say, we ALSO were extremely pleased with Amazon's return policy & procedures, as we've had to send a couple of sets back to them....

Our last panel came from Costco: we picked it up (and at 60" that was something of a hassle) - but liked the price, the 90-day return policy, and the included 2-year warranty. Unfortunately, Costco has a limited selection of sets - and a VERY limited selection of plasma panels...

Good luck!
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post #3862 of 9472
7/3/12 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

An individual call.
Personally, there are other factors that would enter into the equation:
Does the $100 difference take into account Shipping & Taxes?

Do you have a local Paul's outlet, and plan to pick the set up yourself? "Instant Gratification," but opens up other questions, such as "What happens if YOU break the panel, either in transportation, or carrying it / setting it up. Unlikely perhaps, but certainly not unheard of. (Of course, the larger the panel, the greater the hassle of handling it yourself.)
How does Paul's Return Policy compare to Amazon's?
FWIW, my brother purchased a set from a local Paul's, & had them deliver it, and was pleased with the experience.
We've ordered a couple of panels from Amazon, and were very pleased with their "White Glove" delivery & set up - although other people have reported a less-than-satisfactory experience with the process. (A lot seems to depend upon the local delivery service!)
Sad to say, we ALSO were extremely pleased with Amazon's return policy & procedures, as we've had to send a couple of sets back to them....
Our last panel came from Costco: we picked it up (and at 60" that was something of a hassle) - but liked the price, the 90-day return policy, and the included 2-year warranty. Unfortunately, Costco has a limited selection of sets - and a VERY limited selection of plasma panels...
Good luck!

Nope no Pauls around me. Thats the thing, Amazon's return policy is probably better. If I read correctly Pauls might have restock fees and whatnot. But not only is their shipping free but also no tax. So a $200 dollar difference. I'm gonna try to see if any local stores with the set will match Pauls price, although they probably wont cause its online
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post #3863 of 9472
7/4/12 at 12:32am
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Originally Posted by benclement11 View Post

I received my new P60ST50, which I like. It makes my other TV look bad. I used DNICE's setting which I think did improve the picture setting. The only thing is I feel it a little dark for my tastes. I have been playing with brightness, contrast and color trying to get the right balance. Anyone have the same issues with these settings and/or recommendations for the best way to brighten(make colors pop and retain sharpness)?

Try different gamma setting under the Pro settings section.
D-Nice recommends gamma at 2.6 (but thats for 50" and 55") for 60ST50 he reported it should be 2.4, but you can try a lower setting like 2.2 and see which you prefer.
A lower gamma setting lightens the overall picture.
On my 50ST50 I find the gamma 2.6 is good for bright outdoor scenes like golf and baseball, but for dark scenes on some TV shows and movies 2.4 or 2.2 seems better.
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post #3864 of 9472
7/4/12 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by Boyd Crowder View Post

I need some advice here. I have a ST50. I need a soundbar, or surround system for Blu ray movies and Cable TV. I dont need music quality- just a nice upgrade from the TV speakers. Looking for easy hook-up and decent sound quality. around 300.00 to 400.00 range. What is the best for that price range?? Thanks for any ideas.

Check out the Onkyo Ht-s3500 and the Onkyo Ht-s5500 on amazon.com!!! They're really good for HTIB!! Yamaha makes some good HTIB systems too my brother has one in a fairly large room and it sounds pretty damn impressive for the price point!!
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post #3865 of 9472
7/4/12 at 12:51am
Gamma affects mid tone brightness. Setting the 50/55 to 2.6 puts the gamma around 2.2. Setting my 60" to 2.6 puts the gamma around 2.34.
There's not really a standard for gamma, but generally you want to be in the 2.2 - 2.5 range. I personally prefer ~2.35 in a dark room. 2.2 is better for a moderate - brightly-lit room IMO.
Changing the gamma also seems to affect where Brightness needs to be.
Edited by rahzel - 7/4/12 at 1:06am
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post #3866 of 9472
7/4/12 at 12:52am
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Originally Posted by gregzzy22 View Post

Nope no Pauls around me. Thats the thing, Amazon's return policy is probably better. If I read correctly Pauls might have restock fees and whatnot. But not only is their shipping free but also no tax. So a $200 dollar difference. I'm gonna try to see if any local stores with the set will match Pauls price, although they probably wont cause its online


I'm pretty sure amazon.com will price match on tv's. I'm almost 100% positive, I was on the phone with them earlier about something non related and I'm pretty sure the Customer Service lady told me the only thing they price match on was tv's!!!!
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post #3867 of 9472
7/4/12 at 1:11am
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Originally Posted by Boyd Crowder View Post

I need some advice here. I have a ST50. I need a soundbar, or surround system for Blu ray movies and Cable TV. I dont need music quality- just a nice upgrade from the TV speakers. Looking for easy hook-up and decent sound quality. around 300.00 to 400.00 range. What is the best for that price range?? Thanks for any ideas.


In the $400 price range you could even get this, it comes with a one year Onkyo warranty. It's reconditioned but it's really nice!!!

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKHTS7200/Onkyo-HT-S7200-7.1-channel-Home-Theater-Package-With-Dock-For-Ipod/1.html
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post #3868 of 9472
7/4/12 at 4:32am
This might be a stupid question. Just got the St50 yesterday. And I can't get the custom settings to save. When I change them, I press save to default. When I turn the tv off , turn it back on it reverts back to the factory defaults. I'm sure there is something simple I'm missing. The tv is great by the way I'd anyone is one the fence. I'm coming from LCD so it will take a while for my eyes to get used to it. But the picture quality is great.
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post #3869 of 9472
7/4/12 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by HearingImpaired View Post

Check out the Onkyo Ht-s3500 and the Onkyo Ht-s5500 on amazon.com!!! They're really good for HTIB!! Yamaha makes some good HTIB systems too my brother has one in a fairly large room and it sounds pretty damn impressive for the price point!!
Thanks everybody for the good suggestions-
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post #3870 of 9472
7/4/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Gamma affects mid tone brightness. Setting the 50/55 to 2.6 puts the gamma around 2.2. Setting my 60" to 2.6 puts the gamma around 2.34.
There's not really a standard for gamma, but generally you want to be in the 2.2 - 2.5 range. I personally prefer ~2.35 in a dark room. 2.2 is better for a moderate - brightly-lit room IMO.
Changing the gamma also seems to affect where Brightness needs to be.

Actually there is a standard for gamma, 2.4, but I think that is only if you are watching in a pitch black environment.
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