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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

The the side bars of non 16:9 aspect ratio content affect IR? I know it's the pixels being turned off/not being lit, but I wanted to ask anyway.
IR is caused by uneven use (aging) of pixels. When there are black bars on the screen then those pixels are not being used. That's why it's recommended to vary the types of material that you watch so that the effects of black bars and fixed images will have a chance to even out the age of your displays pixels.

If you watch nothing but wide screen movies, with an aspect ratio greater than 1.78:1(16x9), after a long while there would be new (never used) pixels at the top and bottom of your screen (the black bars), and old pixels everywhere else. Not to worry, that's not going to happen. smile.gif

Although, someone did post a while back that he liked to turn on ESPN in the morning and left it on for background noise unless he was actually watching his TV. That might eventually cause the ESPN logo to become a prominent feature. eek.gif
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If I watch a lot of 4:3 content should I turn on 4:3 aspect to place grey bars over the black? Would that help prevent 4:3 IR.

Anyone who has read my posts in this thread would notice my posts bragging about how I never had any instance of IR. Well I had an instance of IR a few weeks ago after watching 3 straight episodes of Deadliest Catch on Discovery. Discovery has a bright white 'D', so for the past few weeks if I turn on white slides you can see the D. You can't see it during normal viewing, and I've been doing a lot of viewing in order to get rid of it. It has faded considerably, but a feint 'D' is still there after at least 50+ hours. I'm sure it will fade completely in time, but it has definitely shy'd me away from my carefree viewing habits from before. Gaming for over an hour with bright HUDs leaves IR as well, but in those instances the IR disappeared pretty fast. But this damn 'D' has been there for a while in my lower right. For those curious I did 100 hours panel prep, and I'm close to 400 overall viewing hours. So IR I'm wiling to bet will be an issue for the life of the set, it won't suddenly be a thing of the past, past a certain number of viewing hours. For all the strengths of this set the IR problem is pretty disappointing.

If you are a HARDCORE gamer, as in hours upon hours on end I wouldn't recommend this set. If you are a family man with wife and kids who will be doing haphazard viewing I also wouldn't recommend this set. It's a shame plasma technology isn't at the point yet where IR is a thing of the past.
post #4353 of 9972
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Originally Posted by anikun07 View Post

The the side bars of non 16:9 aspect ratio content affect IR? I know it's the pixels being turned off/not being lit, but I wanted to ask anyway.
The ST50 appears very resistant to black bar IR, I haven't seen any of that on mine from either black side bars or top/bottom black bars.
Its bright white text from the menu or logos that is the concern for IR on these sets.
But if you are worried about side bars, you can select different levels of gray on the sides for 4:3 mode instead of black if you wish, that should keep the aging evener on the sides.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

I heard a rumor that Panasonic would not be producing a Plasma next year but going to OLED.

That rumor is false. AVJ at Panasonic recently said his development team is already working on several new upcoming 2013 Plasma models. When they do release OLED, they'll still be making Plasmas and LCDs.

We shouldn't be posting rumors here at AVS, that just perpetuates them.
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Quick Question Have not been on the website for years been out in Iraq but is there a link to the settings for this TV bought it over the weekend...?
post #4356 of 9972
Google high def junkies then join, it's free. Then go to the forums and scroll down to D-Nice's calibration section and find his 2012 thread. Links aren't allowed to that site. There may be some settings at cnet.
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I am suddenly going crazy. For the longest time I was set on getting the 65" st, but now that I am a day away from pulling the trigger, I am suddenly bringing the gt 50 into the equation. I just fear that I will not be able to find a nice daytime setting in the st vs the thx day mode on the gt. The room wont have crazy direct sunlight or anything, and aesthetics between the two are pretty much a wash to me. Am I crazy for even considering the gt for $400 more?
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Ha, I was set on a GT for the longest time. I recently decided to go for an ST instead and am not concerned about the daytime viewing.
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If you watch ESPN alot like I do, the logo will get burned into the screen. This has happened to me! I have gone as much as a week without watching ESPN , with full content, and is does not go away. Not even a little bit. So I have given up and just watch the tv like it has no defects. I love the natural looking picture of plasma but guess i will have to go LCD in a few years.
post #4360 of 9972
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Originally Posted by kwk1 View Post

Ha, I was set on a GT for the longest time. I recently decided to go for an ST instead and am not concerned about the daytime viewing.


Do you mean you already have the set and have found that daytime viewing is not a problem or that you aren't concerned but have not actually tried it out yet? I am just trying to get some real world feedback on whether anyone thinks the gt's thx bright room mode might be better than using one of the st's mode in a bright room. Obviously, custom will be used for nightime movie viewing, but will any of the other modes work for daytime without have to mess with the custom settings during the day?
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Originally Posted by chadsdsmith View Post

I am suddenly going crazy. For the longest time I was set on getting the 65" st, but now that I am a day away from pulling the trigger, I am suddenly bringing the gt 50 into the equation. I just fear that I will not be able to find a nice daytime setting in the st vs the thx day mode on the gt. The room wont have crazy direct sunlight or anything, and aesthetics between the two are pretty much a wash to me. Am I crazy for even considering the gt for $400 more?

GET THE GT....

I bought the ST after months of research and deliberation. I kept it for exactly 29 days. Read every review on amazon for the st gt vt, read through this and every other forum i could find. I have no direct sunlight in my living room but I do have a lot of windows and a good amount of ambient light. I ran dnice's panel prep for 110 hours and used his setting, also tried cnet settings. They were good, very good...for a dimly lit room and NOT DAYTIME WATCHING. I tried my best to practice denial and tell myself how good the picture is and that I don't really watch that much daytime tv since i do work all day, 5 days a week.

But then I thought about football season...

Reality check...

The one thing that helped a lot, was lowering the gamma in the custom setting, and depending on the room/brightness/tv content, messing with the panel brightness, as well as the black levels. It mostly did the trick, but then you HAD to change it all back at night, only to repeat every-time for daylight settings. I couldn't take it and for a few hundred more bucks I could simply buy myself the ability to quickly toggle day/night and actually solve the exact issue i was having...

NO BRAINER GET THE GT.

Bonus: The metal bezel is much much nicer, not to mention teh internet streaming interface has much less lag due to the faster processing speed. I dont really used the pc in port or need teh extra usb or hdmi ports, but if one does (and i cant really see why one would, or at least should)...there's that.

Get the GT. You will rationalize forever how you made the right decision to save a few hundred bucks and buy the ST, since it is essentially the same tv, same PQ, same specs, but it isnt. this day night toggle has been a game changer for me.

Get the GT.

Oh and Although I have my custom settings set to be right in between the thx cinema and thx bright room, i find myself almost always just leaving the tv on thx bright room, for both day and night viewing. it is a rare occasion that i'd switch it to one of these other two.

my major complaint is that there is no thx options in the internet streaming mode, which i use often. fortunately i use this mostly at night so i dont really require toggling and can just set it however i want.
Edited by jason370 - 7/30/12 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by Ace1965 View Post

If you watch ESPN alot like I do, the logo will get burned into the screen. This has happened to me! I have gone as much as a week without watching ESPN , with full content, and is does not go away. Not even a little bit. So I have given up and just watch the tv like it has no defects. I love the natural looking picture of plasma but guess i will have to go LCD in a few years.

Since when do you own a Plasma? What model is it?

I watch a lot of Speed Channel and ESPN and News Channels and i don't have any persistent IR on any my four Plasmas.
post #4363 of 9972
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Originally Posted by kwk1 View Post

I went to BestBuy last night to try and decide what size ST I want.
While watching a 55" model for 20 minutes, I noticed a line of IR across it.
It was from the demo loop video that they were using.
This has me a little concerned, but I think I'm going to go for one anyway.

I was in Bestbuy and looked at an ST50 they had on 3D display. It was curiously turned off, so I turned it on and ran the scrolling bar, and noticed ridiculous IR. I was thinking it was burn in because of how bad it was. Anyway, we left the tv on with the demo blu-ray running and came back a few days later to see how it was doing. The set was on when we came this time, and the IR from before was completely gone. I couldn't believe it because it looked like a goner last time.

My ST50 has been great with IR. None to speak of after watching letterbox movies and marathon Skyrim sessions.
post #4364 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ace1965 View Post

If you watch ESPN alot like I do, the logo will get burned into the screen. This has happened to me! I have gone as much as a week without watching ESPN , with full content, and is does not go away. Not even a little bit. So I have given up and just watch the tv like it has no defects. I love the natural looking picture of plasma but guess i will have to go LCD in a few years.
I would double check your settings for the picture if in the torch mode yes that can happen if adjusted properly then no.
I watch CNN and ESPN with no fear for 3 weeks now use a good test disc such as Spears & Munsil or get the set calibrated.
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i have a 50st50 and it has buzzing noise.
i can even hear it daytime when tv s colume is up.

is it normal to have a tv working as a refrigerator?
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Originally Posted by majki84 View Post

I think the main rival to panasonic st50 - Samsung E6500 does output 5.1 sound from every source (cable tv, sat, usb), even DTS (i.e. movies in .mkv format via USB)! Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you are partially correct. I don't have an E6500 but I had a C6500, two model years old and it DOES output DTS or DD 5.1 over optical from mvk files streamed by DLNA. It also can decode DTS and play it back through the TV speakers which the Panasonic can't. The DLNA capabilities are without a doubt better on Samsung TVs than Panasonic. I have a 65ST50 and DLNA is disappointing because of the lack of DTS decoding and no ability to output 5.1 to a receiver over optical.

I don't believe a Samsung TV will output 5.1 from any HDMI source, it will downmix that to stereo as will the Panasonic. I think Samsung's features like this and their apps are better but Panasonic's picture quality is better. My Samsung had the panel go bad and Samsung took it back for a pro-rated refund.
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So I lost my 65ST50 due to a mishap (cracked screen). I had it for 2 months. I need to buy a new TV but cannot afford another 65 inch. I went from a 42 to a 65 and that was really a major upgrade and a real WOW experience.
But at this time I could only afford a 55 inch. My question is to those of you that have a 55, what is the immersion experience from about 10 feet? Is 55 too small to give any kind of WOW feeling?
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Originally Posted by jason370 View Post

GET THE GT....
I bought the ST after months of research and deliberation. I kept it for exactly 29 days. Read every review on amazon for the st gt vt, read through this and every other forum i could find. I have no direct sunlight in my living room but I do have a lot of windows and a good amount of ambient light. I ran dnice's panel prep for 110 hours and used his setting, also tried cnet settings. They were good, very good...for a dimly lit room and NOT DAYTIME WATCHING. I tried my best to practice denial and tell myself how good the picture is and that I don't really watch that much daytime tv since i do work all day, 5 days a week.
But then I thought about football season...
Reality check...
The one thing that helped a lot, was lowering the gamma in the custom setting, and depending on the room/brightness/tv content, messing with the panel brightness, as well as the black levels. It mostly did the trick, but then you HAD to change it all back at night, only to repeat every-time for daylight settings. I couldn't take it and for a few hundred more bucks I could simply buy myself the ability to quickly toggle day/night and actually solve the exact issue i was having...
NO BRAINER GET THE GT.
Bonus: The metal bezel is much much nicer, not to mention teh internet streaming interface has much less lag due to the faster processing speed. I dont really used the pc in port or need teh extra usb or hdmi ports, but if one does (and i cant really see why one would, or at least should)...there's that.
Get the GT. You will rationalize forever how you made the right decision to save a few hundred bucks and buy the ST, since it is essentially the same tv, same PQ, same specs, but it isnt. this day night toggle has been a game changer for me.
Get the GT.
Oh and Although I have my custom settings set to be right in between the thx cinema and thx bright room, i find myself almost always just leaving the tv on thx bright room, for both day and night viewing. it is a rare occasion that i'd switch it to one of these other two.
my major complaint is that there is no thx options in the internet streaming mode, which i use often. fortunately i use this mostly at night so i dont really require toggling and can just set it however i want.


I have been going back and forth on the ST vs GT as well. I went ahead and purchased the ST but I will put it through the ringer before the 30 day return period is up and if it isn't to my liking may look at getting the GT. I am upgrading from a 6 yeard old Samsung 46" LCD so it will be a big upgrade either way to a 55" Panny plasma.
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Originally Posted by jason370 View Post

Get the GT. You will rationalize forever how you made the right decision to save a few hundred bucks and buy the ST, since it is essentially the same tv, same PQ, same specs, but it isnt. this day night toggle has been a game changer for me.

It's not "essentially" the same tv. It IS the same tv, aside from an extra THX setting and a different bezel, which you paid $300-400 extra for. Smart tv works just fine on the ST50.

You could have also easily used another mode like Cinema during the day and left custom for night viewing. I have 2 windows directly behind the seating area, and daytime viewing has never needed any adjustment once properly calibrated. Once calibrated, THX modes also become useless.

If you feel you made the right choice for yourself, great. For anyone else, the ST50 is the better deal by far. You aren't getting a better quality panel or picture, and you would have to step up to the VT50 to get minor picture and feature enhancements.
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

It's not "essentially" the same tv. It IS the same tv, aside from an extra THX setting and a different bezel, which you paid $300-400 extra for. Smart tv works just fine on the ST50.
You could have also easily used another mode like Cinema during the day and left custom for night viewing. I have 2 windows directly behind the seating area, and daytime viewing has never needed any adjustment once properly calibrated. Once calibrated, THX modes also become useless.
If you feel you made the right choice for yourself, great. For anyone else, the ST50 is the better deal by far. You aren't getting a better quality panel or picture, and you would have to step up to the VT50 to get minor picture and feature enhancements.

I'm returning my VT to get an ST50 55 inch and save 799.00 which included a 2yr warranty. Don't get me wrong the VT is a slick looking TV but it didn't set right with me paying all the extra money for the bells and whistles I would never use. If the ST can achieve the same PQ as the VT, why not go for the ST and save some loot. I am going to make sure to put the ST through the 100hr slide torture.
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thanks for the responses. I am leaning towards the gt now. I currently own a g10, and do find myself toggling between two different settings depending on the time of day. Everyone has kind of implied that I "should" be able to program a setting other than custom for daytime use, but no one seems to have much real world experience doing it, except for jason370 (thank you btw), and he returned his and got a gt because I assume custom is the only setting that gets bright enough for brighter surroundings. the one thing I have noticed about these sets is that the filter can take away the perceived brightness with their filter and after seeing them both in store (I know, terrible way to compare) I realize the bang for the buck lies more with the st, but I really don't want to feel regret for the next few years when the extra money probably won't hurt too much. I also really don't like the whole "try it for a month and return it" thing. It just doesn't sit well with me from a couple different viewpoints. Plus, the wife likes the gt better, and I don't want to hear it from her for the next 6+ years I will likely have this thing. I think I would be happy with either, and certainly would go st if I heard the right kind of compelling evidence (I sure don't like throwing an extra $400 out there if I dont need to), but gt is where I'm leaning.
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VT vs GT vs ST...ASIDE FROM FEATURES WHICH I KNOW DIFFER...is the only reason Panasonic made these panels look a bit different - Marketing?

I mean after having my heart set on the ST, I went to BB (Magnolia) this weekend and actually saw (for the first time) the GT and the VT. WOW!!! Compared to the clear plastic border ST these two "upper" sets look futuristic. Almost like the ST is 2012 model and GT/VT 2013. I know...I know...I KNOW!!! is the look worth the price difference? cool.gif

I don't know. But I can tell you this - when my wife, who thinks I'm insane for spending so much time researching tV's and comparing them and could care less about them - looks or otherwise, says to me "these two look a lot nicer than that clear plastic one out there..." then I know it is a noticeable difference. And even when you go from the GT to VT. WOW!! It makes me wonder why did they put the 2011 Samsung clear-palstic-looks on the ST? Why does the GT have a little under hang with curved corners? And then why couldn't the ST come with a non plastic border...is it really done so they can charge more for looks?

And while I'm at it...I really don't like all the 3D, THX logos on the bottom of panels...i don't need my flat screen to advertise its capabilities - i just need the panel to show them wink.gif

as it stands i know PQ is basically the same - but looks? Here is my take

ST - weekend Girlfriend

GT - wife

VT - TROPHY WIFE biggrin.gif
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@chadsdsmith, No, I don't have a set yet . I'm sure the GT would be a nicer set to have, but it is $700 more for a 55" up here in Canada. It's just a bit much for me to pay, unless I wait a bit longer and the price comes down.
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

It's not "essentially" the same tv. It IS the same tv, aside from an extra THX setting and a different bezel, which you paid $300-400 extra for. Smart tv works just fine on the ST50.
You could have also easily used another mode like Cinema during the day and left custom for night viewing. I have 2 windows directly behind the seating area, and daytime viewing has never needed any adjustment once properly calibrated. Once calibrated, THX modes also become useless.
If you feel you made the right choice for yourself, great. For anyone else, the ST50 is the better deal by far. You aren't getting a better quality panel or picture, and you would have to step up to the VT50 to get minor picture and feature enhancements.

It is NOT the same TV, it IS the same PQ. Admittedly, they are VERY close to being the same TV but no matter how many times you say they are, they are not. And I really really know, because i've owned both, for just about the same exact amount of time (29 days)...

1) Look, I'll be the first one to tell you that if you are in a dimly lit room, you will experience the exact same PQ between the ST and GT. I've had them both, I ran the slides, I input both Dnice and Cnet settings, as well as my own playing around, and we are talking apple to apples, unquestionably.

Add light, be it in-room light, ambient light or (god forbid) direct sun light and we are no longer comparing apples to apples. You cannot get the same pro settings in Cinema mode as you can in Custom mode...I tried, unsuccessfully. Had I succeeded, I would not have gone for the GT.

2) The GT looks nicer. It is subtle to some and obvious to others but...it is a major focal point of the room and a key piece of furniture. Simply stated, the clear plastic bezel on the St looks cheap on its own, but it looks really cheap when compared to the beautiful, metal trim of the GT. Now, if these types of things really don't matter to you, then feel free to disregard this point, but I know I am not alone in that some people do care about the aesthetics of their home enough to spend a few hundred more on something that better suits their decor.

3) Internet functionality is noticeably faster on the GT vs the ST. the ST was absolutely laggy, by any objective observation. (Smart VIERA Engine Pro
A dual core processor chip for high-end models (only available on the WT50, GT50, and VT50 models) which provides enhanced differentiated image quality and processing at high speed. Image quality is enhanced to faithfully reproduce the inherent beauty of the image.)

4) Please correct me if i am mistaken, but I've read endlessly how you should not calibrate a tv until it has 300-400 hours on it, or at least have it professionally calibrated. I watch 1-2 hours every couple days, that would be months and possibly a half year before I do that, and that's even IF i do it. currently i feel zero need for calibration since im so pleased with my multiple options for picture modes. It is quite easy, and nice.

5) It is a 300 dollar difference, not 400.

IF the ST didn't bug me so much with it's lack of toggle function to do a day/night switch at a buttons press, I would never have even considered the GT, but sicne i had nothing to lose but a little more time, I figured i'd give it a shot. The GT has far surpassed my expectations in every capacity when I only needed it to solve for one very specific thing.

And for what it is worth, while i sat there every day with the ST, debating if i should try the GT to see if it might be better, I have not yet had an inkling of a similar thought in my head to try the VT. The GT is perfect, and worth it and I plan to live with it for at least 3-5 years.

GET THE GT
post #4375 of 9972
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Originally Posted by jason370 View Post

It is NOT the same TV, it IS the same PQ. Admittedly, they are VERY close to being the same TV but no matter how many times you say they are, they are not. And I really really know, because i've owned both, for just about the same exact amount of time (29 days)...
1) Look, I'll be the first one to tell you that if you are in a dimly lit room, you will experience the exact same PQ between the ST and GT. I've had them both, I ran the slides, I input both Dnice and Cnet settings, as well as my own playing around, and we are talking apple to apples, unquestionably.
Add light, be it in-room light, ambient light or (god forbid) direct sun light and we are no longer comparing apples to apples. You cannot get the same pro settings in Cinema mode as you can in Custom mode...I tried, unsuccessfully. Had I succeeded, I would not have gone for the GT.
2) The GT looks nicer. It is subtle to some and obvious to others but...it is a major focal point of the room and a key piece of furniture. Simply stated, the clear plastic bezel on the St looks cheap on its own, but it looks really cheap when compared to the beautiful, metal trim of the GT. Now, if these types of things really don't matter to you, then feel free to disregard this point, but I know I am not alone in that some people do care about the aesthetics of their home enough to spend a few hundred more on something that better suits their decor.
3) Internet functionality is noticeably faster on the GT vs the ST. the ST was absolutely laggy, by any objective observation. (Smart VIERA Engine Pro
A dual core processor chip for high-end models (only available on the WT50, GT50, and VT50 models) which provides enhanced differentiated image quality and processing at high speed. Image quality is enhanced to faithfully reproduce the inherent beauty of the image.)
4) Please correct me if i am mistaken, but I've read endlessly how you should not calibrate a tv until it has 300-400 hours on it, or at least have it professionally calibrated. I watch 1-2 hours every couple days, that would be months and possibly a half year before I do that, and that's even IF i do it. currently i feel zero need for calibration since im so pleased with my multiple options for picture modes. It is quite easy, and nice.
5) It is a 300 dollar difference, not 400.
IF the ST didn't bug me so much with it's lack of toggle function to do a day/night switch at a buttons press, I would never have even considered the GT, but sicne i had nothing to lose but a little more time, I figured i'd give it a shot. The GT has far surpassed my expectations in every capacity when I only needed it to solve for one very specific thing.
And for what it is worth, while i sat there every day with the ST, debating if i should try the GT to see if it might be better, I have not yet had an inkling of a similar thought in my head to try the VT. The GT is perfect, and worth it and I plan to live with it for at least 3-5 years.
GET THE GT

Thanks again. I wont get into specific pricing but the difference right now seems to be $400 if you compare and price match the two at Paul's tv, which is where they both seem to be cheapest.
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Originally Posted by jason370 View Post

It is NOT the same TV, it IS the same PQ. Admittedly, they are VERY close to being the same TV but no matter how many times you say they are, they are not. And I really really know, because i've owned both, for just about the same exact amount of time (29 days)...
1) Look, I'll be the first one to tell you that if you are in a dimly lit room, you will experience the exact same PQ between the ST and GT. I've had them both, I ran the slides, I input both Dnice and Cnet settings, as well as my own playing around, and we are talking apple to apples, unquestionably.
Add light, be it in-room light, ambient light or (god forbid) direct sun light and we are no longer comparing apples to apples. You cannot get the same pro settings in Cinema mode as you can in Custom mode...I tried, unsuccessfully. Had I succeeded, I would not have gone for the GT.
2) The GT looks nicer. It is subtle to some and obvious to others but...it is a major focal point of the room and a key piece of furniture. Simply stated, the clear plastic bezel on the St looks cheap on its own, but it looks really cheap when compared to the beautiful, metal trim of the GT. Now, if these types of things really don't matter to you, then feel free to disregard this point, but I know I am not alone in that some people do care about the aesthetics of their home enough to spend a few hundred more on something that better suits their decor.
3) Internet functionality is noticeably faster on the GT vs the ST. the ST was absolutely laggy, by any objective observation. (Smart VIERA Engine Pro
A dual core processor chip for high-end models (only available on the WT50, GT50, and VT50 models) which provides enhanced differentiated image quality and processing at high speed. Image quality is enhanced to faithfully reproduce the inherent beauty of the image.)
4) Please correct me if i am mistaken, but I've read endlessly how you should not calibrate a tv until it has 300-400 hours on it, or at least have it professionally calibrated. I watch 1-2 hours every couple days, that would be months and possibly a half year before I do that, and that's even IF i do it. currently i feel zero need for calibration since im so pleased with my multiple options for picture modes. It is quite easy, and nice.
5) It is a 300 dollar difference, not 400.
IF the ST didn't bug me so much with it's lack of toggle function to do a day/night switch at a buttons press, I would never have even considered the GT, but sicne i had nothing to lose but a little more time, I figured i'd give it a shot. The GT has far surpassed my expectations in every capacity when I only needed it to solve for one very specific thing.
And for what it is worth, while i sat there every day with the ST, debating if i should try the GT to see if it might be better, I have not yet had an inkling of a similar thought in my head to try the VT. The GT is perfect, and worth it and I plan to live with it for at least 3-5 years.
GET THE GT

Just FYI you can have a tv pro calibrated after about 150 hours. A pro calibrated custom mode would almost certainly give you a great day option and as a previos poster mentioned cinema could be calibrated for night. Not disputing you own observations but both sets pro calibrateted are essentially identical in picture quality. To the op only you can decide what the right choice is for you.

And yes Cinema has the same pro-settings as custom they are just buried in the service menu.
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Originally Posted by chadsdsmith View Post

Thanks again. I wont get into specific pricing but the difference right now seems to be $400 if you compare and price match the two at Paul's tv, which is where they both seem to be cheapest.

I'm not certain but i think if you add shipping, Paul's and Amazon end up the same price. Not sure about tax though.
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Just FYI you can have a tv pro calibrated after about 150 hours. A pro calibrated custom mode would almost certainly give you a great day option and as a previos poster mentioned cinema could be calibrated for night. Not disputing you own observations but both sets pro calibrateted are essentially identical in picture quality. To the op only you can decide what the right choice is for you.
And yes Cinema has the same pro-settings as custom they are just buried in the service menu.

I think this is a reasonably fair statement. I can't really disagree with it. All things being equal, when you factor in the pro calibration, this becomes a close call. I will tell you that I've endlessly ready that the calibration could need to be re-done at the 300 and 500 hour mark though. Since I've not made it anywhere near those ranges yet, I cannot comment with personal observations but it does seem a risk which could possibly add to the bottom line.
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Originally Posted by Ace1965 View Post

If you watch ESPN alot like I do, the logo will get burned into the screen. This has happened to me! I have gone as much as a week without watching ESPN , with full content, and is does not go away. Not even a little bit. So I have given up and just watch the tv like it has no defects. I love the natural looking picture of plasma but guess i will have to go LCD in a few years.

Your cable's STB "Zoom" control is your friend. Or Panasonic's own Aspect Ratio control.

Zoom control on our Uverse STB has several settings, one of which Very Nicely moves the ESPN Logo off the bottom of the screen.

Note, however, that this is mostly used during Mike & Mike, which is basically a radio talk show to begin with...
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I'm not certain but i think if you add shipping, Paul's and Amazon end up the same price. Not sure about tax though.

Right now pauls has free "white glove delivery", so amazon cannot tack on the extra $100 for their "white glove service" if you do a price match. I just pulled the trigger on the gt50 at amazon and had it price matched with paul's , I just don't see myself doing a custom calibration any time soon, plus that would be a few hundred anyways, sooo.... My tv will be here thurs.!!!!!
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