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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

People also responded to this quite clearly and youre asking again. Most people are not here for the gaming aspects of this set. People on a gaming forum could probably point you towards the right set for your needs.
Most people here are watching blus, netflix, cable.
Do you know most people? Did you call every ST50 owner an ask them? - your statement is asinine as the approach you're taking with the poster who asked a question. "Most " people game on their TV - more than watch Blu Ray -that's a fact.
post #4502 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Do you know most people? Did you call every ST50 owner an ask them? - your statement is asinine as the approach you're taking with the poster who asked a question. "Most " people game on their TV - more than watch Blu Ray -that's a fact.

After reading through many tv forums, i can say with a high level of certainty that the approx amount of gamers is here in the 10% range, on the high end. Most people are HT enthusiasts to some degree and while gaming does come into play, it is in the minority, so id say this statement is somewhat accurate.
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More games are sold than Blu Ray discs - Gaming is a huge part of your TV use.
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hey guys, I've been doing a lot of reading here but this is my first post.-Shopping for new TV for the last three years. I've never been able to get myself to pull the trigger... until the other day. Everything I had read about the st50 was great and when I went and saw it in the store it was beautiful. I wasn't thinking about IR at all because my brother's 2008 Panasonic has never had an issue with it, and I've watched him play games with static images, use the computer, etc. for hours. I figured (possibly incorrectly) that IR issues would be even less of a concern now.Then the other night I went to read about whether I needed to do a break-in and what I would need to do for it, and I came across a bunch of posts about IR on this TV. Talk about depressing.

This new Panasonic 55St50 is set to arrive on Tuesday, July 7 and I could really use a little advice here. At least 95% of my viewing will be TV (DirecTV), and I really don't want to avoid channels like USA, food network, AMC, etc. that put white logos on their shows.
I watch a lot of football and basketball and don't want to see the scoreboard when I'm watching other shows. Furthermore I would like to be able to bring up the DirecTV guide for more than a few minutes without worrying about IR . I tend to fall asleep with the TV on. I would hate to be constantly paranoid that I'm going to fall asleep with the DirecTV guide up or watching SportsCenter. Lastly I was thinking I would be able to pull up the computer on my TV for 20 minutes at a time give or take as long as I waited several hundred hours before I started doing that and had the contrast/brightness turned down.

So my question is this just the wrong TV for me? I don't want to be running the TV all the time trying to scrub IR. When I first started reading about some of the serious IR issues with this TV I was hoping it was just a few unlucky people with panels that were more prone to it. However the more I read about it the more it seems that this is just a persistent problem with this set. There seems to be quite a few people here who are really defensive about this issue. Are you just super, super careful about not watching anything with any static images for more than a few minutes, or are there really some panels that are just much more prone to it?

If this is definitely going to be an issue for me I think that would rather just cancel/return the order before they deliver.I bought it through Amazon, so it really shouldn't be a problem. I should add that I'ma quadriplegic, so I'll be relying on other people to set it up and take it down if I did accept and then have to return after a couple weeks.

Any advice you guys can give me is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe
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Why don't we just let people ask what they like to ask? If the question is about gaming and I have no interest in gaming I would not reply to that particular question since I lack expertise and interest in the subject. I don't understand why we have to put people down?
post #4506 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Joe_Mama1 View Post

hey guys, I've been doing a lot of reading here but this is my first post.-Shopping for new TV for the last three years. I've never been able to get myself to pull the trigger... until the other day. Everything I had read about the st50 was great and when I went and saw it in the store it was beautiful. I wasn't thinking about IR at all because my brother's 2008 Panasonic has never had an issue with it, and I've watched him play games with static images, use the computer, etc. for hours. I figured (possibly incorrectly) that IR issues would be even less of a concern now.Then the other night I went to read about whether I needed to do a break-in and what I would need to do for it, and I came across a bunch of posts about IR on this TV. Talk about depressing.
This new Panasonic 55St50 is set to arrive on Tuesday, July 7 and I could really use a little advice here. At least 95% of my viewing will be TV (DirecTV), and I really don't want to avoid channels like USA, food network, AMC, etc. that put white logos on their shows.
I watch a lot of football and basketball and don't want to see the scoreboard when I'm watching other shows. Furthermore I would like to be able to bring up the DirecTV guide for more than a few minutes without worrying about IR . I tend to fall asleep with the TV on. I would hate to be constantly paranoid that I'm going to fall asleep with the DirecTV guide up or watching SportsCenter. Lastly I was thinking I would be able to pull up the computer on my TV for 20 minutes at a time give or take as long as I waited several hundred hours before I started doing that and had the contrast/brightness turned down.
So my question is this just the wrong TV for me? I don't want to be running the TV all the time trying to scrub IR. When I first started reading about some of the serious IR issues with this TV I was hoping it was just a few unlucky people with panels that were more prone to it. However the more I read about it the more it seems that this is just a persistent problem with this set. There seems to be quite a few people here who are really defensive about this issue. Are you just super, super careful about not watching anything with any static images for more than a few minutes, or are there really some panels that are just much more prone to it?
If this is definitely going to be an issue for me I think that would rather just cancel/return the order before they deliver.I bought it through Amazon, so it really shouldn't be a problem. I should add that I'ma quadriplegic, so I'll be relying on other people to set it up and take it down if I did accept and then have to return after a couple weeks.
Any advice you guys can give me is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Joe

Joe, I had a 65ST50 for two months and I did not notice any IR. I did not do any gaming but I did watch ESPN and similar, with static logos. I did run slides (not D-NICE since they are hidden away like the holy grail) for about 100 hours first and that was just because I thought I would be a good idea to get a lot of hours on the set initially to flush out any issues and also because I wanted to "age the phosphors of new plasma" which, although I don't fully understand the mechanics off, seemed easy enough to do and something everyone does. And yes if all my friends jumped of a cliff I would too tongue.gif
Just wanted to share my experience.
post #4507 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

Do you know most people? Did you call every ST50 owner an ask them? - your statement is asinine as the approach you're taking with the poster who asked a question. "Most " people game on their TV - more than watch Blu Ray -that's a fact.

I for one do not game, and do not let any child in my house sit in front of the TV for endless hours let alone play games for hours on end. I kick them out side for that. We do enjoy the set as a TV for a few programs and a lot of movies, especially BluRays.

I have been Off Topic myself, but agree that this thread should be about the ST50 as it's main function (watching TV). I have read every post to this thread and realize that it does get frustrating to see the same questions asked numerous times. For other threads I use the search function to find what I need. I also went to the stores and asked questions and to see the sets for myself. I soon found out that I knew more than many of the sales reps because of the info I gathered here; most of which by reading.

So any assumption can be irritating, but asking the same question w/o searching and reading can be equally bothersome.

Thank you
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Has anyone wall mounted an ST50 on a very low profile mount like a Sanus LL11 which is only 0.5" deep? Would being this close to the wall cause any issues with cooling? It seems most of the heat comes out of the vents on top but the back of the TV does get warm. I'm trying to decide on a flush low profile mount for my 65ST50 but am concerned with how low profile I can go.

The manual actually states to "Leave a space of 2 3/4" (7 cm) or more at the rear". If this is necessary then it eliminates basically any mount that is considered "Low Profile".
post #4509 of 9972
Mine is mounted about 0.75" from the wall. The back of the TV is actually only slightly warm after extended use. I wouldn't worry about it at all.
post #4510 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

See thats the thing I just want to be able to know if anyone has any experience playing something like cod on it and has a feel to how the lag is. Lot of people want to get This or got this tv because of pq as do I. If you are not a gamer then don't respond it is 2012 and there are a lot if people that do.

This answer has been posted.. you could google up the ms input time. But basically it's not good... if you want a good pq and good ms time (the lowest possible for plasma) which is 16ms->___ (<-for exact number) compared to the st50 which has a much higher ms input lag... go for the ST30. But good luck trying to find a new st30 for a 46 inch or a 50 at a cheap price range... they've gone back up. Especially a new 46" st30 is $1,000!!! When I had gotten mine from Amazon a while back for about $850 in total including 2 pairs of free second generation 3d glasses= about $640 for TV and $160 for glasses.. eek.gif. Should bought two than.. frown.gif
post #4511 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

Also as a gamer Id avoid thisset like the plaque with all the IR issues people are having. I play maybe 3-5 hours a week.

Tuthfully if you did an 200 hour panel break in, and for about 300 hours not having set images.. there really is no IR issues at all. Since i play tera on this and the only IR issue i've gotten is when a family member leaves my set on netflix for a couple hours... eek.gif. Goes away after an hour of so of just normal watching though! biggrin.gif Now to figure out how to get that pesky dust/fingerprint (?) off of the tv... any ideas? I have a microfiber cloth whch didn't work.. :|
post #4512 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

I just decided on the 55GT over the 55ST. The price difference is down to $250 and I decided that I wanted the THX modes and the slightly more appealing design.
The dual core processor was not a big factor for me but I'll come back and let people know if I notice a big difference in the menus compared to the ST50 (which I had previously and used for two months).

Well the only thing you'll be getting is the design.. the thx mode is neglible as a pre-panel break in, calibrated settings (or as close), even a diy calibrated settings can match up to the thx mode and surprass it quite well to justify not putting down $250-300 more.. And i don't think the dual core processor would make that panel really any faster, it might help with pre-processing and thx mode but that's about it.. Let us know the input lag for menus and etc, compared to the st50 as input lag would also relate with the dual core processor. biggrin.gif
post #4513 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CJayB View Post

My 65ST50 was delivered by Paul's yesterday and I'm now 1 day into the slides. I have found no flaws in the picture so far. No buzzing can be heard unless my ear is about a foot from the back of the set. Also very little heat, just a couple slightly warm spots toward the right and left sides in back even though my house is fairly warm today and was warmer when the installation was completed yesterday. I am using a very small fan on it since it'll be running 100 continuous hours. Even watching about 5 minutes of the Olympics after the installation was completed the set looked amazing with no calibration done yet in the Custom menu. The wait until late Sunday afternoon to finish the slides is a killer. Especially since my wife thinks I'm nuts not letting her watch the new toy.
I'll be getting the $99 Square Trade warranty from Costco tomorrow. Normally I'm not a fan of extended warranties, but 3 years for $99 seems worth it. The comments I've seen about Square Trade are favorable. Any one else have good or bad things to say about it?

Don't know about hte warranty but I just set my tv up for 200 hours running a week straight when I had done it.. with no fan eek.gif. Maybe shoudl of thought of that...
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post

I have tinnitus and I hear buzzing all the time!

Same.. but i have the st30... but still.. the buzzing gets frequent esecially when your tuned in the tv..
post #4514 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

More games are sold than Blu Ray discs - Gaming is a huge part of your TV use.

... You can rip bluray and they're quite expensive. Games you can't really rip as well as it used.. 'Nough said. Ooh wait, we have to mention the kids>parent's situation... rolleyes.gif

Gaming is a huge part of KID's tv use-most High end gamers with input lag are more concetrated on PC GAMING which entitles hdtv led/lcd/plasma and high end IPS 27 inch WQHD panels...

Most of these guys here are well above that age and the ones that aren't they are more focused on what the PQ brings when watching.. and frankly I love my st30, especially the calibrated settings-I play with Tera set on high and AA forced and the calibrated display makes everything so beautiiful and realistic! Destroyed me trying out Aion, sadly... should've tried Aion before playing Tera tongue.gif.
post #4515 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

More games are sold than Blu Ray discs - Gaming is a huge part of your TV use.

No offense man but if you take a look at my signature you can see I to play games. However if you take a loo at that users post history he had posted e question to the point of borderline spam. The lag time for the set had been established in e thread. I dont really get the outrage. But ok.
post #4516 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

Why don't we just let people ask what they like to ask? If the question is about gaming and I have no interest in gaming I would not reply to that particular question since I lack expertise and interest in the subject. I don't understand why we have to put people down?

No one was being put down, he asked the question a half dozen times and it was answered equally as manh. Why ask it again?
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Does the panasonic st30 3rd generation glasses work all with teh st50, even when connected to an computer running amd hd3d?? Because I read somewhere that someone had posted on avs saying the 2011 models will not work on teh st50... but if that were true that i'm totally borked, since the 2012 4th generation models won't work with the st30 either -__-. So how am I supposed to have hd3d content from teh st30 and the st50.. :\. There goes the HD3D Eyefinity idea.. rolleyes.gif. Could someone recommend a glassses that could be used for both the st30 and the st50? And if it's only about shuttering/syncing issues than would a GPU fix that? :\
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

Yes, it only exists on color wheel DLPs. These DLP sets can only display one color on a given pixel at a time, creating color blends by flashing the constituent colors in quick succession. Rapid eye movements can detect the changing colors, causing rainbow.
Plasmas display all the constituent colors simultaneously.

No, plasma pixels are pulsed. That is what the Sub-Field is. ST50s have a 2500 FFD (Focus Field Drive) It is written right on the box. 2500 pulses per second. But Panasonic does not clearly define 2500. Does that mean red-green-blue pixels one at a time or all three simultaneously. Either way, it is very fast, but I see them as well. Without moving your head, shift your eyes left to right to left to right when watching content that is dark with vertical white stripes.
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Originally Posted by Swuell View Post

Does the panasonic st30 3rd generation glasses work all with teh st50, even when connected to an computer running amd hd3d?? Because I read somewhere that someone had posted on avs saying the 2011 models will not work on teh st50... but if that were true that i'm totally borked, since the 2012 4th generation models won't work with the st30 either -__-. So how am I supposed to have hd3d content from teh st30 and the st50.. :\. There goes the HD3D Eyefinity idea.. rolleyes.gif. Could someone recommend a glassses that could be used for both the st30 and the st50? And if it's only about shuttering/syncing issues than would a GPU fix that? :\

I would not advise using two different displays for eyefiniti. There are no glasses that will work for both sets.
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

So how is the lag this? Only answer this if you actually play games like fps online on this

Again? You are asking again? Did you not read the responses people gave you to the same question before a few pages back? This thread is 150+ pages because people do not read the thread before asking the same inane questions, and now yOu are asking the same question you already asked after having not read the many pages where the same question was asked by many people over and over before you? Before posting on a thread, you should read it through . . . Use the search feature in the thread.

Always you should at least read the answers to a question you already asked.

So, here is a new answer for you: THIS TV IS NOT FOR YOU!!!. You need an LCD or a PSP ... Go to the LCD forum, pic a thread, and ask the same question repeatedly there without using the search feature . . .

Read a thread through and use the search feature before posting in it. This thread could be edited down to 25 great pages that would be useful if that simple etiquette were followed....
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Originally Posted by Swuell View Post

Does the panasonic st30 3rd generation glasses work all with teh st50, even when connected to an computer running amd hd3d?? Because I read somewhere that someone had posted on avs saying the 2011 models will not work on teh st50... but if that were true that i'm totally borked, since the 2012 4th generation models won't work with the st30 either -__-. So how am I supposed to have hd3d content from teh st30 and the st50.. :\. There goes the HD3D Eyefinity idea.. rolleyes.gif. Could someone recommend a glassses that could be used for both the st30 and the st50? And if it's only about shuttering/syncing issues than would a GPU fix that? :\

You need to sell one and buy another . . . The tech changed in Panny 3D again in 2012 . . . You need either two 2011 or two 2012 TVs to wear one pair of 3d glasses. It is Panny's way of selling more of the most expensive glasses.
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

I would not advise using two different displays for eyefiniti. There are no glasses that will work for both sets.

Thanks for the response.. well there goes hd3d in eyefinity.. I know the displays themselve will work alright with eyefinity.. but I guess now i need to stick to 3 monitor setup if I want eyefinity in 3D... :\ But thatn that just amounts to the cost and I can't justify that more than just paying for another 46" st30 and and panny st50" and just NOT run it in 3d eyefinity.. Eyefinity itself would still be cool. :| uughhh
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

You need to sell one and buy another . . . The tech changed in Panny 3D again in 2012 . . . You need either two 2011 or two 2012 TVs to wear one pair of 3d glasses. It is Panny's way of selling more of the most expensive glasses.
aaahh shiit.. whata waste of the "free" glasse than frown.gif. *sigh* I just need to find a good monitor for doing side by side than.. as I think doing eyefinity would be quita waste now mad.gif :\.

Btw I had actually answered his question already.. if he wants lowest input lag go to ST30 if he's ok with moderately increased input lag than go ahead with the st50... but I highly doubt he's ok with that.. so yeah.. 27" INCH IPS 1 SOID INPUT ROM KOREAN MANAFACTURER ... no lag. DONE!
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2011 Panasonic plasmas used infared for the 3D glasses, while 2012 models use bluetooth instead, so they can not be compatible.
But the new 2012 bluetooth 3D glasses models are more universal, they are compatable with Samsung's 3D as well too.
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

2011 Panasonic plasmas used infared for the 3D glasses, while 2012 models use bluetooth instead, so they can not be compatible.
But the new 2012 bluetooth 3D glasses models are more universal, they are compatable with Samsung's 3D as well too.


And you can buy 'generic' BT 3D glasses for a lot less than the cost of the original Panasonic glasses.

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I don't want to beat this whole IR thing into the ground, but I have a question about how my set is acting.

I've mentioned before that I have some quick onset IR issues with my 60ST50, especially with the bright white and red "dish" logo in the upper left corner of my DVR menus. Luckily, it also usually goes away pretty fast. But now I'm wondering if it's getting worse, and if maybe my set is defective?

At this point, I can be in the menu for literally just 10 seconds, and then when I get out, I can see a ghostly image of the Dish logo in that corner. And this is on normal viewing material, not solid slides or backgrounds (although I'm sure it would be visible there as well). It looks almost "embossed", if that makes sense. It is pretty noticeable. However, it goes away after a minute or so of regular TV viewing. This happens whether I have had the set on for just a few minutes or for several hours. The Dish logo is really the only thing I notice this with, and as I've said before, it's virtually impossible to have the DVR menu up for more than a minute or so - it quickly reverts back to live/recorded TV if there's no activity.

Is this something I need to worry about? Do I have a bad panel? Would really hate to exchange it (even if I could, it's past the return period). I really love the picture and I think it's actually gotten a lot better over time. I've had it for over two months and probably have around 400 hours on it.

Thanks.
post #4527 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

2011 Panasonic plasmas used infared for the 3D glasses, while 2012 models use bluetooth instead, so they can not be compatible.
But the new 2012 bluetooth 3D glasses models are more universal, they are compatable with Samsung's 3D as well too.

Thanks for the response. :|
post #4528 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

I don't want to beat this whole IR thing into the ground, but I have a question about how my set is acting.
I've mentioned before that I have some quick onset IR issues with my 60ST50, especially with the bright white and red "dish" logo in the upper left corner of my DVR menus. Luckily, it also usually goes away pretty fast. But now I'm wondering if it's getting worse, and if maybe my set is defective?
At this point, I can be in the menu for literally just 10 seconds, and then when I get out, I can see a ghostly image of the Dish logo in that corner. And this is on normal viewing material, not solid slides or backgrounds (although I'm sure it would be visible there as well). It looks almost "embossed", if that makes sense. It is pretty noticeable. However, it goes away after a minute or so of regular TV viewing. This happens whether I have had the set on for just a few minutes or for several hours. The Dish logo is really the only thing I notice this with, and as I've said before, it's virtually impossible to have the DVR menu up for more than a minute or so - it quickly reverts back to live/recorded TV if there's no activity.
Is this something I need to worry about? Do I have a bad panel? Would really hate to exchange it (even if I could, it's past the return period). I really love the picture and I think it's actually gotten a lot better over time. I've had it for over two months and probably have around 400 hours on it.
Thanks.

Don't worry. just enjoy it.. Did you pre-panel it for 200 hours? IF not than don't worry... it'll go away in time.
post #4529 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

I don't want to beat this whole IR thing into the ground, but I have a question about how my set is acting.

At this point, I can be in the menu for literally just 10 seconds, and then when I get out, I can see a ghostly image of the Dish logo in that corner. And this is on normal viewing material, not solid slides or backgrounds (although I'm sure it would be visible there as well). It looks almost "embossed", if that makes sense. It is pretty noticeable. However, it goes away after a minute or so of regular TV viewing.

Note that there is a difference between Image Retention and Image Burn-in. The latter is 'game over' and you don't have that problem fortunately. So long as the IR disappears after a few minutes of normal viewing, no need to worry. It's a characteristic of all plasma screens - just take normal care, turn on the pixel orbiter and enjoy!

post #4530 of 9972
On my now 200+ hour 50ST50, I find just periodically running the scrolling bar feature for awhile (once a day or two) keeps any IR at bay for me, even checking on the darker gray slides where it is most noticeable for bright white text/logos.
I had some faint IR from bright white text/logos early on but using the scrolling bar got rid of it and now I use that feature to maintain it.
There is also a way in the service menu's aging feature to run a full screen white or other patterns including the scrolling white bar for longer periods if needed, since the one in the regular setup menu times out after 15min or so.
It makes sense to me that the IR would happen more in the first 200hours or so as the panel ages the most, so thats when its more critical to be careful with bright white text/logos and use the scrolling bar feature fairly often during that period to keep it from getting worse.
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