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post #4531 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Swuell View Post

Don't worry. just enjoy it.. Did you pre-panel it for 200 hours? IF not than don't worry... it'll go away in time.

I did the D-Nice slides for the first 100 hours. I will frequently leave the TV on HBO or the Toy Story DVD during the day when I'm not watching something else, in order to age the panel more. I also run the scrolling bar once or twice a day, and the slides occasionally.

It's just weird to me that I used to see the logo only on the slides (where again, it would usually disappear pretty fast), but now I'm also seeing it on normal moving material (albeit briefly). Nothing like this ever happened on my 5-year old 50" Panny plasma. I even played a lot of games on that one for hours at a time and never noticed anything.
post #4532 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

I did the D-Nice slides for the first 100 hours. I will frequently leave the TV on HBO or the Toy Story DVD during the day when I'm not watching something else, in order to age the panel more. I also run the scrolling bar once or twice a day, and the slides occasionally.
It's just weird to me that I used to see the logo only on the slides (where again, it would usually disappear pretty fast), but now I'm also seeing it on normal moving material (albeit briefly). Nothing like this ever happened on my 5-year old 50" Panny plasma. I even played a lot of games on that one for hours at a time and never noticed anything.

Maybe you weren't searching it as much... I'll notice some IR a few times from netflix if one of my family members leave my tv on it for a while.. that and I notice heavy fbr in anime (<--who would think that...). So I still need to get that fixed from panny.. hopefully I'm able to. :\ And the anime fbr happens from black to gray... and I have a box of black gray in a black... when it switches fast.. which i think that's got fbr.. :\
post #4533 of 9972
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

Yes, it only exists on color wheel DLPs. These DLP sets can only display one color on a given pixel at a time, creating color blends by flashing the constituent colors in quick succession. Rapid eye movements can detect the changing colors, causing rainbow.
Plasmas display all the constituent colors simultaneously.

Maybe I used the wrong terminology. Usually during higher contrast scenes I can see a color strobing (it's very similar to my 4 color wheel Infocus projector "rainbow") with moderate eye movement like looking at then away then back at the TV or just going from one area to another. I can also see something similar with cars that have LED brake lights. I think that's because they have flicker (unlike an incandescent bulb).
post #4534 of 9972
Read my post a few pages back #4522. LED brake lights are also pulsed. It makes them appear brighter.
post #4535 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Disto View Post

No, plasma pixels are pulsed. That is what the Sub-Field is. ST50s have a 2500 FFD (Focus Field Drive) It is written right on the box. 2500 pulses per second. But Panasonic does not clearly define 2500. Does that mean red-green-blue pixels one at a time or all three simultaneously. Either way, it is very fast, but I see them as well. Without moving your head, shift your eyes left to right to left to right when watching content that is dark with vertical white stripes.

Thanks. This is what I see. Hopefully I will get used to it.

I had a 43in 720P Samung from BB here for about a week and it has the same issue. I returned it, not because of that but because I wanted 1080p.
post #4536 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

I don't want to beat this whole IR thing into the ground, but I have a question about how my set is acting.
I've mentioned before that I have some quick onset IR issues with my 60ST50, especially with the bright white and red "dish" logo in the upper left corner of my DVR menus. Luckily, it also usually goes away pretty fast. But now I'm wondering if it's getting worse, and if maybe my set is defective?
At this point, I can be in the menu for literally just 10 seconds, and then when I get out, I can see a ghostly image of the Dish logo in that corner. And this is on normal viewing material, not solid slides or backgrounds (although I'm sure it would be visible there as well). It looks almost "embossed", if that makes sense. It is pretty noticeable. However, it goes away after a minute or so of regular TV viewing. This happens whether I have had the set on for just a few minutes or for several hours. The Dish logo is really the only thing I notice this with, and as I've said before, it's virtually impossible to have the DVR menu up for more than a minute or so - it quickly reverts back to live/recorded TV if there's no activity.
Is this something I need to worry about? Do I have a bad panel? Would really hate to exchange it (even if I could, it's past the return period). I really love the picture and I think it's actually gotten a lot better over time. I've had it for over two months and probably have around 400 hours on it.
Thanks.
any IR from 10 secs in a menu would bother me. I would exchange it for a new one most definitely. even if the IR disappears quickly that is some bad onset IR. in the one instance I had noticeable IR it was from watching something with a bright white logo for almost two hours straight without interruption.
post #4537 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RangersFan View Post

any IR from 10 secs in a menu would bother me. I would exchange it for a new one most definitely. even if the IR disappears quickly that is some bad onset IR. in the one instance I had noticeable IR it was from watching something with a bright white logo for almost two hours straight without interruption.

I am also getting very quick onset IR. I sometimes get it from the white text that is shown when you are on an HDMI input with nothing on. I have about 350 hours on the set
This isn't even on screen very long. Although I played a game with a HUD for 5 minutes and no issue. It seems that bright white logos/text is what really triggers the IR for me.

Will this improve or is it truly cause for concern? My 30 day return policy ends August 17.
post #4538 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

I am also getting very quick onset IR. I sometimes get it from the white text that is shown when you are on an HDMI input with nothing on. I have about 350 hours on the set
This isn't even on screen very long. Although I played a game with a HUD for 5 minutes and no issue. It seems that bright white logos/text is what really triggers the IR for me.
Will this improve or is it truly cause for concern? My 30 day return policy ends August 17.

I would be concerned. Perhaps the settings some of you are using are way to bright? No idea if that effects IR.
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As another test I turned the PS3 on and left it on the XMB for exactly one minute. This was enough to leave faint IR on a dark grey slide of the time box in upper right corner. There is quite a few static icons, but this white time bar is the only one that leaves IR.

It was gone within a few run through of the slides but it is still disconcerting to see it after just one minute.

I don't believe my settings are too bright. I am using d-nice's settings after 100 hour panel prep.
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Also is it normal to see dithering in only parts of the picture being displayed? On the PS3 XMB I can see areas where dithering is apparent from 5 feet away. Some areas of the display show no dithering up close but then some areas do. Is that normal? Shouldn't I see dither up close all over the picture?
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/3/12 at 9:05pm
post #4541 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

I would be concerned. Perhaps the settings some of you are using are way to bright? No idea if that effects IR.

My Contrast is 82, Brightness 56, Gamma 2.2, Panel Brightness Mid. This is a 60" ST50, using "Custom".

Doesn't seem like problematic settings to me. It's not like I've got it on "Vivid".
post #4542 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

My Contrast is 82, Brightness 56, Gamma 2.2, Panel Brightness Mid. This is a 60" ST50, using "Custom".
Doesn't seem like problematic settings to me. It's not like I've got it on "Vivid".

Yeah my contrast is even lower at 76 and it happens to me too. My gamma is even darker at 2.6. Other settings are same as yours.
post #4543 of 9972
Wow this thread has some serious stans in here. Don't act like you understand everything. This isn't your thread, where everyone follows your itenarary. No not all my questions were spamming about input lag, I dont have a lot of posts I also asked about burn in and static images as this is my first plasma I plan on getting. I only asked the question about three times because no one answered and I was waiting in best buy to buy this set. I asked a specific question that applies to specific people ( those that tried online fps gaming), after I got an answer I didn't come back on the thread. Again let me reiterate it's 2012 and people don't only watch movies and tv. Gaming is huge, amongst all demographics. Two reasonS I didn't use the search feature

1) it's 2012, not everyone's surfs on a computer on thier desk, we are on the move a lot and use our phones and tablets for little things like reading a forum, hell I do office work on my phone. Unfortunately the search feature doesn't work so great all time on a hand held

2) Despite its clunkiness i did use it and I read a lot of the posts and most are very contradicting. Half the people are saying it's feels like no input lag and with another guy even showing 16-17ms response time in game mode. While the other guy I think his name is like josban something continuously saying it has a bad input lag. So yeah lots of contradicting info.

So I thought I would ask a direct question that only if you experience it can answer. So calm down, take a chill pill, relax if there are some questions you can't answer.
post #4544 of 9972
Hi guys,
I'm probally gonna pick up a P50ST50 in the next few weeks, this is my first plasma so my knowledge about plasma is next to zero. Will use it to watch HDTV mostly,sport channel and gaming but few things I need to reconsider before buying:

- How bad is the IR in 2012 model ? I heard that IR 'll fade in few hours but some people claimed sometimes it stuck there for a few weeks?? That's worry me a bit.
- I do not play FPS so input lag isn't really a big issue for me ? Also I do not play alot, 2-3 hours strainght mostly but games have static elements on screen, is it likely to cause IR ?
- My friend said that horizontal black bars isn't a problem with nowaday Plasma TV anymore. Is it true ?
post #4545 of 9972
I got to say I have been enjoying my 55ST50 for a month now with no problems and the best picture I have ever had not to mention it puts out less heat than anything else I owned.
I don't game so I can not judge on lag may have something to do with the fact I am 54.
IR has never been a worry for me even had a small degree of that on my 36 XBR Sony , but I always set my TV's where picture and brightness could not cause burn in that would be a problem.
If you live in high altitude and have a fully exposed room full of windows and display constant static images then and LCD would suit you better (Sharp, Sony or Elite).
If you bought any flat panel and expected great audio from the sets speakers prepare to be somewhat disappointed it has the same problem laptops do in the fact there is not enough cabinet volume to
help the driver do its job.
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Does anyone notice a lot of grain/dithering on the PS3 XMB? I see it in certain spots of the XMB, but other parts look crystal clear. Any reason why that is?

Also, I have a pixel that seems to flicker on/off occasionally to black. Is this a dead pixel? Anything I can do to fix this?

I also turned on the TV and the Smart Viera logo actually caused IR! Of course it was removed within a few seconds of watching something, but this is a bit ridiculous. That logo is up for like 3-4 seconds! I have about 280 hours on this TV and it was broken in for the first 100 hours with D-Nice's slides.

I have also noticed an "oil painting" like effect on certain games in 720p. The faces looked smudged and have an overall "oil painting" look to them.

Here is an example from SSX for PS3. I also see this in Ratchet & Clank games



This smudged/"oil painting" look bothers me. Is this normal for plasma TV's?

Starting to feel a little discouraged with this set and not sure what to do :\
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/4/12 at 2:26pm
post #4547 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Does anyone notice a lot of grain/dithering on the PS3 XMB? I see it in certain spots of the XMB, but other parts look crystal clear. Any reason why that is?
Also, I have a pixel that seems to flicker on/off occasionally to black. Is this a dead pixel? Anything I can do to fix this?
I also turned on the TV and the Smart Viera logo actually caused IR! Of course it was removed within a few seconds of watching something, but this is a bit ridiculous. That logo is up for like 3-4 seconds! I have about 280 hours on this TV and it was broken in for the first 100 hours with D-Nice's slides.
I have also noticed an "oil painting" like effect on certain games in 720p. The faces looked smudged and have an overall "oil painting" look to them.
Here is an example from SSX for PS3. I also see this in Ratchet & Clank games

This smudged/"oil painting" look bothers me. Is this normal for plasma TV's?
Starting to feel a little discouraged with this set and not sure what to do :\

This is not the set for gaming. Games look and play better on my Sony XBR4. However, all other content looks fantastic and games look ok.

Not sure what your flickering pixel is.
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Is game mode able to calibrate? Things like brightness, sharpness etc can you calibrate those
post #4549 of 9972
I'm watching basketball on NBATV and the game at times goes into like sort of slow motion mode and gets grainy and weird but I cant tell if its the feed or the television. Live baseball games have been fine so far. And its not the first time I've noticed this on basketball game replays on NBATV. Is it because of the faster pace of this sport? I'm leaning towards it just being a bad feed because Ive watched olympic basketball and its been fine but i can t tell for sure.

is it worth trying turning motion smoother on?
post #4550 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

This is not the set for gaming. Games look and play better on my Sony XBR4. However, all other content looks fantastic and games look ok.
Not sure what your flickering pixel is.

Games look fantastic when they display in 1080p (WipEout HD is jaw dropping in 1080p at 60 FPS). The problem is when the native resolution for a game is 720p (which it usually is for most games unfortunately). The textures just have this oil painting look to them. I don't know why that is and I am curious if this is a problem among all the panels. If anyone has a PS3 and could download the SSX demo or try a few games in 720p. I do think 720p games looked better on my old HD CRT because of this. Do 1080p LCD's have this problem when displaying games at 720p? I will hook up the PS3 to an LCD in the house and try this tomorrow.

I do agree that other content does look fantastic. I will spend quite a bit of time gaming though so I am a bit concerned. It seems like there just isn't a perfect TV out there for movies AND games. Do other plasma's exhibit this "oil painting" look to them? I am curious if this is just a problem with plasma's and 720p video games.
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Is game mode able to calibrate? Things like brightness, sharpness etc can you calibrate those

You can adjust the basic settings like brightness, contrast, sharpness etc. You cannot alter all the other features available in custom such as the "pro" settings and motion smoother (defaulted to off).
post #4551 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Wow this thread has some serious stans in here. Don't act like you understand everything. This isn't your thread, where everyone follows your itenarary. No not all my questions were spamming about input lag, I dont have a lot of posts I also asked about burn in and static images as this is my first plasma I plan on getting. I only asked the question about three times because no one answered and I was waiting in best buy to buy this set. I asked a specific question that applies to specific people ( those that tried online fps gaming), after I got an answer I didn't come back on the thread. Again let me reiterate it's 2012 and people don't only watch movies and tv. Gaming is huge, amongst all demographics. Two reasonS I didn't use the search feature
1) it's 2012, not everyone's surfs on a computer on thier desk, we are on the move a lot and use our phones and tablets for little things like reading a forum, hell I do office work on my phone. Unfortunately the search feature doesn't work so great all time on a hand held
2) Despite its clunkiness i did use it and I read a lot of the posts and most are very contradicting. Half the people are saying it's feels like no input lag and with another guy even showing 16-17ms response time in game mode. While the other guy I think his name is like josban something continuously saying it has a bad input lag. So yeah lots of contradicting info.
So I thought I would ask a direct question that only if you experience it can answer. So calm down, take a chill pill, relax if there are some questions you can't answer.

Somebody also pointed out that the difference between the ST50 'and' ST30 in terms of input lag is
night and day. Last years panasonics have been confirmed by many that they have lower input lag, but here ya man.
There are just as much people saying that it's great..

Put it this way, Panasonics 720p X3 is about 2 frames/32ms. So either the ST50 is on par or most likely
worse. I just want one bloody frame of lag on a Panasonic Plasma and i'll be happy. Users are saying
last years Panny plasmas S30 and ST30 are the closest you'll get to that.
post #4552 of 9972
No oil painting on an LED
post #4553 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

No oil painting on an LED

Nope, Just terrible motion handeling tongue.gif
post #4554 of 9972
Has anyone managed to get external subtitles working for MKV files via DLNA server ?

P55ST50 on Serviio and Twonky
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How much does a professional calibration typically cost?
post #4556 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post

How much does a professional calibration typically cost?

Best Buy charges 199. I think that is pretty low. You should probably count on at least 300 as an average estimate. Note that Best Buy offers it for free for their Silver Reward Zone members (2500 in purchases in one year). May be something to factor in when deciding where to buy your TV.
post #4557 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ludersven View Post

Best Buy charges 199. I think that is pretty low. You should probably count on at least 300 as an average estimate. Note that Best Buy offers it for free for their Silver Reward Zone members (2500 in purchases in one year). May be something to factor in when deciding where to buy your TV.

Well, I had a hard time getting my wife to sign off on spending a grand for the TV. I doubt I can pull that off again by getting a pro calibration done. tongue.gif
post #4558 of 9972
Finally got my ST50 55 inch up running after running 100hr of slides. I am very impressed with the ST after returning the VT. The ST appears to be much sharper PQ then the VT, I am not sure if it has to do with the filter. When I had my VT I noticed a lot more softness with PQ. The problem was more visible with my box set to 1080i. Changing it over to 720 seemed to help the PQ a bit. The ST doesn't seem to suffer from any of the PQ softness regardless if set 720 or 1080i, looks awesome on both and I am using component video. I think the ST does a better job handling the cable content. The picture is more clean and crisp more defined with all content. The ST does a good job blocking ambient l dont get any glare . At times I forget I am watching a plasma the ST is like an LCD with really awesome blacks. I am using D nice setting for both my ps3 and cable box and they both look great. I don't really have to explain how blu rays looks this is where the ST shines. Anyone trying to make a decision on which model to purchase, save money and get the ST. Folks who live in MA, should take advantage of the tax free weekend coming up this week. 2012-08-04_20-09-11_986.jpg 1088k .jpg file 2012-08-04_20-05-00_127.jpg 1018k .jpg file 2012-08-05_11-46-09_149.jpg 1391k .jpg file

Here are some pics, couldn't resist.
post #4559 of 9972
As many sets our company installs I can not think of a single unit the delievers a better picture for the price in a 55 inch model.
I can not for the life of me see any difference between the ST and GT but there is a slight not night and day difference in the VT you just have to trust your eyes those are the only ones that count.
post #4560 of 9972
Also, I got a comparison shot of Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One on the PS3 on both an LCD and a Plasma. You can clearly see the "oil painting" effect on the plasma. What I want to know is if this is unfortunately normal for plasma's or if I should be returning my set for another.

LCD on the left and Plasma on the right. The LCD is 1080p as well.



1080p picture from the ST50 on left. 720p picture from the ST50 on right.



There is clearly a problem when this TV is getting a 720p signal. Is there a defect with this set or will it be an issue with all of them. This might be the unfortunate reason to return an otherwise fantastic set. It kills me to see this.


Does ANYONE here have a PS3 that can test this out for me and tell me if they have the same problem? All you need to do is view some game screenshots in 1080p resolution and then go ahead and view them in 720p. Just go to your game folder and scroll down through the pictures and see if you have an oil painting effect. I want to know if this is a problem with ALL the ST50's or if I have a bad set so I could possibly get it replaced for another one
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/5/12 at 11:32am
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