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post #4921 of 9971
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

Looks like ICE to me. I don't often watch much ice on my TV. I tend to head to the kenmore for that..
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The whites look white to me.
post #4922 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Detonation View Post

So I've had my 60" ST50 for around a week now. Haven't done any break in slides or setup, just some changes to the contrast and other basic picture settings. I put my old Samsung 46" LCD from 2009 up next to it and picture quality was clearly superior, but I've been noticing one thing - whites, usually text, has noise around it, making it look less crisp compared to the 46". I understand at the same distnace the 46" will look a little crisper due to the raw size of the screen, but I can still notice it at normal viewing distance on the ST50. Is this normal and something that will go away as the TV breaks in (and I tweak the settings)?

Do you have any processing turned on and if so which and to what level?
post #4923 of 9971
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Do you have any processing turned on and if so which and to what level?

No processing that I know of...looks the same via OTA antenna straight to the TV as well as from my HTPC through my Denon 1610. Only changes that I made to the stock picture settings was to change the contrast to 70 from cinema mode, and set HD Size to 2 to turn off overscan.
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

Pretty hard to determine what your issue is with out posting our settings. Have you used DVE or WOW?
If you haven't don't these things it's easy to understand why your picture isn't great. I posted my settings on the previous page. My set is sharp as hell. 65"

See above. As I mentioned, I plan to eventually do a DIY calibration or at least use D-Nice's settings, so maybe this question is a bit premature for now.
post #4924 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Detonation View Post

No processing that I know of...looks the same via OTA antenna straight to the TV as well as from my HTPC through my Denon 1610. Only changes that I made to the stock picture settings was to change the contrast to 70 from cinema mode, and set HD Size to 2 to turn off overscan.

Then you've got processing turned on- turn it off.

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_ST50.PDF
post #4925 of 9971
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Dude, ice is not white.
oh really? in what world?
post #4926 of 9971
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

oh really? in what world?

It's only white in your mind and coming out of your Frigidaire.

The ice in an arena only looks white when you cannot see the floor below it and that is before the blades hit it. Look at the image above, all that is supposed to be white is.
post #4927 of 9971
So great to see photos!!!
Better then anything the stores let you see...

Encourage more people to post photos cause the stores dont show off these tvs like they should
post #4928 of 9971
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

It's only white in your mind and coming out of your Frigidaire.
The ice in an arena only looks white when you cannot see the floor below it and that is before the blades hit it. Look at the image above, all that is supposed to be white is.


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post #4929 of 9971
See there... the flakes and cuts are white. wink.gif

Beautiful Mplamieri!
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post #4930 of 9971
^^^^^^ Be gentle Sheesh biggrin.gif This is one of the more entertaining threads.
post #4931 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

With your IR problem from the static logo, I would put the scroll bar on when I stopped using the tv for the day, and leave it on all night long for a few days . . . . You might see a dramatic reduction in a couple of nights or more.

How did you do this when the scrolling bar turns itself off after 15 minutes (at least on the ST50)?
post #4932 of 9971
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

How did you do this when the scrolling bar turns itself off after 15 minutes (at least on the ST50)?

It's on Disney WOW disc too.
post #4933 of 9971
First off super amazing TV! But, wondering if my panel is behaving normally. During quick edits from camera to camera/scene to scene, the brightness varies at times.. Sometimes a lot. Then, it will either slowly dim or slowly brighten depending which way it over adjusted. Any thoughts? It this normal for a plasma display?

I'm not talking about brightness pops. I have none of that. Using standard settings with all NR and auto panel brightness off.
post #4934 of 9971
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Originally Posted by DigitalWx View Post

First off super amazing TV! But, wondering if my panel is behaving normally. During quick edits from camera to camera/scene to scene, the brightness varies at times.. Sometimes a lot. Then, it will either slowly dim or slowly brighten depending which way it over adjusted. Any thoughts? It this normal for a plasma display?
I'm not talking about brightness pops. I have none of that. Using standard settings with all NR and auto panel brightness off.

There is a processing effect enabled on your menu that causes what you're seeing. Forgot what it's called. Maybe ACG or something? Turn all that crap off. Make sure you're not in vivid mode.
post #4935 of 9971
I just returned sharp 70c6400 because I was unhappy with the motion handling, which alternated between soap opera smooth and judder, and colors I could never get right. It also had clouding but I only saw it with bright fields.

I'm concerned about the brightness, the sharp obviously could be as bright as I wanted. I can shutter the windows to darken the room some but not too much because I'd rather not live like a vampire. Will it be too dim for someone used to LCD.
post #4936 of 9971
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Originally Posted by stuckinSoregon View Post

So great to see photos!!!
Better then anything the stores let you see...
Encourage more people to post photos cause the stores dont show off these tvs like they should

I have to pause the DVR to get a clear picture on the old Fuji A210.
movie with Contrast 95 and Brightness 50.
don't make me breakout the tripod.........





post #4937 of 9971
Thanks for your help.
Today Panasonic told me to run 1 hour analog tv on a fuzzy screen. I am playing movies from my Fox Channel with no logo.
post #4938 of 9971
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

With your IR problem from the static logo, I would put the scroll bar on when I stopped using the tv for the day, and leave it on all night long for a few days . . . . You might see a dramatic reduction in a couple of nights or more.

How did you do this when the scrolling bar turns itself off after 15 minutes (at least on the ST50)?


On my European-spec ST50 the scrolling bar stays on as long as you want it to - hitting any key on the remote kills it. The US and EU specs are slightly different on the ST50 line.

post #4939 of 9971
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

I just returned sharp 70c6400 because I was unhappy with the motion handling, which alternated between soap opera smooth and judder, and colors I could never get right. It also had clouding but I only saw it with bright fields.

I'm concerned about the brightness, the sharp obviously could be as bright as I wanted. I can shutter the windows to darken the room some but not too much because I'd rather not live like a vampire. Will it be too dim for someone used to LCD.


I doubt it. Mine can go very bright and even in a daylit room it's plenty bright enough. At night, or with the drapes shut during the day it's terrific. It will never be as bright as an LCD though - to me that's a good thing as LCDs always seem unnaturally bright with excessive 'pop'. YMMV of course and I do use my ST50 more or less exclusively for movies. I calibrated mine using Calman 4 and achieved a Reference calibration.

post #4940 of 9971
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Then you've got processing turned on- turn it off.
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_ST50.PDF

The only settings I see related to video processing are the noise reduction ones, which I have since turned off after using D-Nice out of the box settings. Is there something else I'm missing?

I'll also point out that this appears mostly on TV brodcasts (OTA in my case), commonly news headlines and sports box scores/stats/etc. I watched a 720p video and it was not a problem, so I'm still thinking the pure size increase is just enlarging the digital artifacts of the compressed TV signal.
Edited by Detonation - 8/13/12 at 6:36am
post #4941 of 9971
I have been off and on noticing a gap on the right side of my screen...it is about 1/2 an inch or so from the border of the screen....

Has anyone else noticed this?
post #4942 of 9971
Just got mine Tuesday and have it up and running. I am extremely impressed with this set. I was worried about brightness, but with every light on in my house during the brightest part of the day i had minimal glare. And with the lights on how they normally are, no glare what so ever. I'm so glad i returned the Sharp Aquos for this set. I do have one question though. When it came in i let it run for just a few days without adjusting anything, then i made some tweaks in custom mode because it was really tough to watch with everything set at 50. Do i really need to run it for 100 hours at the default settings or can i leave it how i have it?

Eta....Also, i have my PS3 and Cable Receiver running to a Sony HT Soundbar receiver(ARC) and then out to the TV. I was told because the receiver doesn't support 3D, that i need to switch those cables and run straight PS3 to Tv, Cable to TV, and optical from the Sony Soundbar to the optical on the TV. Can someone confirm this for me?
post #4943 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Detonation View Post

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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Then you've got processing turned on- turn it off.
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_ST50.PDF

The only settings I see related to video processing are the noise reduction ones, which I have since turned off after using D-Nice out of the box settings. Is there something else I'm missing?

I'll also point out that this appears mostly on TV brodcasts (OTA in my case), commonly news headlines and sports box scores/stats/etc. I watched a 720p video and it was not a problem, so I'm still thinking the pure size increase is just enlarging the digital artifacts of the compressed TV signal.


You can't use TV to evaluate PQ. Use a good Bluray disc or a test disc for PQ evaluation. TV broadcasters send all manner of crap over the airwaves.

post #4944 of 9971
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


You can't use TV to evaluate PQ. Use a good Bluray disc or a test disc for PQ evaluation. TV broadcasters send all manner of crap over the airwaves.

Right, and the PQ is excellent for Blu-rays, but side by side with the 46" LCD with the same OTA signal, I saw more noise on the 60". But again I'm thinking that's a result of the 70% larger screen real estate.
post #4945 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Detonation View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post


You can't use TV to evaluate PQ. Use a good Bluray disc or a test disc for PQ evaluation. TV broadcasters send all manner of crap over the airwaves.

Right, and the PQ is excellent for Blu-rays, but side by side with the 46" LCD with the same OTA signal, I saw more noise on the 60". But again I'm thinking that's a result of the 70% larger screen real estate.


Ah right - sorry, my apologies, I misunderstood your point. Yes, the much bigger screen will of course also make any problems much bigger too. You may need to use some of the PQ controls to see if you can dial out the noise, for OTA viewing. I know on my own OTA viewing, I use the controls for noise, edge enhancement etc in my VP for any SD broadcast material and it helps. It will never be great because you can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear but it does help a little. SD was never really meant to be viewed on enormous screens like we have today, of course and I mainly watch TV on a smaller screen, unless it's HD broadcasts of course. I have a very large legacy collection of DVDs though - which is why I bought my VP and many of those, especially those from more recent times, look pretty good with a fair bit of processing going on in the background. For any HD source I turn all that stuff off and just let the original fantastic HD quality shine through.

post #4946 of 9971
Well the replacement was going to come today, but CEVA ended up calling me and asking to schedule an appointment for tomorrow. I won't be home for the delivery all week. I had today off so it was going to be convenient. I guess I will have to stay on top of them. It was kind of ridiculous. Amazon told me Friday....CEVA tracking said Monday...and now CEVA calls and asks to schedule an appointment for Tuesday.

I figured I would consider jumping to the 55" IF Amazon price matched PaulsTV and have it delivered on a day that was good for me. I saw that PaulsTV had the 55" version for $1249. I knew it would be a shot in the dark because I figured they would tell me that it doesn't include white-glove delivery and that is an extra $100. To my surprise, they actually went through with the price match! So I am going ahead and getting the 55" as a replacement instead of another 50".

I will report back when I get the 55".
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Originally Posted by DigitalWx View Post

First off super amazing TV! But, wondering if my panel is behaving normally. During quick edits from camera to camera/scene to scene, the brightness varies at times.. Sometimes a lot. Then, it will either slowly dim or slowly brighten depending which way it over adjusted. Any thoughts? It this normal for a plasma display?
I'm not talking about brightness pops. I have none of that. Using standard settings with all NR and auto panel brightness off.

I believe you may have CATS setting on.
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/13/12 at 9:08am
post #4947 of 9971
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Originally Posted by RicFlair View Post

oh really? in what world?

I used to live in Vermont where the water in the Granite quarries was a dark emerald green and yes it froze a very light green in the winter. biggrin.gif

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34155736@N07/3846912748/
Edited by Woody Harris - 8/13/12 at 9:56am
post #4948 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Disto View Post

$2500 Cat toy... It come with a free TV! smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
http://www.avsforum.com/content/type/61/id/52349/width/350/height/700

My Cats did the same thing, but I did not get a photo. Very Creative! Thanks for sharing!
post #4949 of 9971
The VT50 has the single pane of glass vs all the other plasma's that have the standard two pieces.

The VT50 at my BB is sitting on a very low stand and standing up and looking at it I notice a slight change in the picture.....
I've been told this is due to he Louvre AR filter....My soon to be purchase will either be the VT50 or the ST50..Tv will also be
sitting on a 36'' stand so I wont be looking down at tv even standing up....

Question and it may be hard to answer...
Do plasma's work better with just one pane of glass??
Or is two as is normal provide a better viewing expereince??

Next question:
To those who have had their ST50 calibrated:
Its my understanding that they Calibrate the tvs for the best possible night time viewing....
The VT50 has two modes ISFday and ISFnight...The guy who will calibrate my tv says most people
rarely switch between the two and usually stick with the ISFnight setting for majority of viewing....

If you had your ST50 calibrated for optimal night viewing...How does it look in the daytime??

I'm thinking if I dont need the ISFday calibration then the ST50 will meet my needs........

Thanks
post #4950 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Well the replacement was going to come today, but CEVA ended up calling me and asking to schedule an appointment for tomorrow. I won't be home for the delivery all week. I had today off so it was going to be convenient. I guess I will have to stay on top of them. It was kind of ridiculous. Amazon told me Friday....CEVA tracking said Monday...and now CEVA calls and asks to schedule an appointment for Tuesday.
I figured I would consider jumping to the 55" IF Amazon price matched PaulsTV and have it delivered on a day that was good for me. I saw that PaulsTV had the 55" version for $1249. I knew it would be a shot in the dark because I figured they would tell me that it doesn't include white-glove delivery and that is an extra $100. To my surprise, they actually went through with the price match! So I am going ahead and getting the 55" as a replacement instead of another 50".
I will report back when I get the 55".

Did you ever talk to CEVA to confirm the Monday appointment?

Often the dates you see online aren't correct. The one you see from Amazon is generally the day it will be received by the delivery company. CEVA's dates aren't firm until you talk to someone and that is why I call them when it may get complicated. Also, if they try to reschedule after having verbally firmed the date, then call Amazon asap. Actually, call them whenever things just plain old line up. I went through a mess with my first order and canceled it as a result. Amazon gave me a nice credit on my account. wink.gif
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