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post #5191 of 9471
8/21/12 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

Sorry I forgot to mention. Brightness is default and contrast is dropped from default 60% to 50%. I even tested it so that I dropped contrast to 25% and even then short term IR, so it does not seem to be settings related.

I would agree with this. I've done IR tests on the Standard setting (50 contrast/50 brightness) and the quick onset IR happens on my 60ST50 just as fast from the DVR and TV menus as it does with my Custom (82/56) setting. (And, again, it's visible on normal material, but only for a minute or two.) Never saw anything like it on my old plasma.

And for those who might charge that I'm careless or whatever, I am totally babying this set. Besides, the quick onset IR is something that happens pretty much immediately, with the menus up for less than a minute. This isn't a static-logo-up-for-hours situation, although that can be an issue too. I'm pretty sure I have over 400 hours on the set at this point.

Is it possible that altitude or other environmental factors could be aggravating this? Could explain (beyond panel variations) why some of us are seeing it and others aren't. I'm around 6000 feet up. No buzzing, but I do have this temporary IR!
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post #5192 of 9471
8/21/12 at 9:56am
thats very peculiar. I have no buzzing and no IR or even hint of IR on my 60". and like i said i think i'm at 80/57/46 and gamma at 2.4.
The environment may play a role but that seems like it would be strange
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post #5193 of 9471
8/21/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

I would agree with this. I've done IR tests on the Standard setting (50 contrast/50 brightness) and the quick onset IR happens on my 60ST50 just as fast from the DVR and TV menus as it does with my Custom (82/56) setting. (And, again, it's visible on normal material, but only for a minute or two.) Never saw anything like it on my old plasma.
And for those who might charge that I'm careless or whatever, I am totally babying this set. Besides, the quick onset IR is something that happens pretty much immediately, with the menus up for less than a minute. This isn't a static-logo-up-for-hours situation, although that can be an issue too. I'm pretty sure I have over 400 hours on the set at this point.
Is it possible that altitude or other environmental factors could be aggravating this? Could explain (beyond panel variations) why some of us are seeing it and others aren't. I'm around 6000 feet up. No buzzing, but I do have this temporary IR!

This is really interesting why some suffer from IR and some not. I have been babying my set too, even too much considering we should be able to use our sets normally.

Could it be they changed something so that newer sets don't suffer from IR? Could everyone reading this comment what is their set manufacturing date and do they have IR or not?

Also does every set (even latest production) have that annoying vertical line near the right edge? It is visible in gray field and yellow fields. What is causing that line, has anyone got explanation for that? Also in some test pattern I can see another distinct line near it. Left side has minor green blob visible only in certain gray level. It actually seems that these are more noticeable now after 240 hours than they were in the begin with.
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post #5194 of 9471
8/21/12 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

This is really interesting why some suffer from IR and some not. I have been babying my set too, even too much considering we should be able to use our sets normally.
Could it be they changed something so that newer sets don't suffer from IR? Could everyone reading this comment what is their set manufacturing date and do they have IR or not?

My build date is March 2012 and, as I said, I have it. Maybe some of the people not seeing it haven't had their sets for long enough? As Dierkr says, his set was most prone to it from 250-400 hours. And I certainly didn't notice anything in the early days of my set. I'm hoping it will get better now that the set is hitting around that 400 hour mark.

FYI, I ran the D-Nice slides for the first 100 hours.
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski 
Also does every set (even latest production) have that annoying vertical line near the right edge? It is visible in gray field and yellow fields. What is causing that line, has anyone got explanation for that? Also in some test pattern I can see another distinct line near it. Left side has minor green blob visible only in certain gray level. It actually seems that these are more noticeable now after 240 hours than they were in the begin with.

I see the right hand side vertical bar on mine, but only on certain slides. Never on normal viewing material, so it doesn't bother me.
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post #5195 of 9471
8/21/12 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

My build date is March 2012 and, as I said, I have it. Maybe some of the people not seeing it haven't had their sets for long enough? As Dierkr says, his set was most prone to it from 250-400 hours. And I certainly didn't notice anything in the early days of my set. I'm hoping it will get better now that the set is hitting around that 400 hour mark.
FYI, I ran the D-Nice slides for the first 100 hours.

Funny thing but it was me with my set, I did not notice any IR in first 100 hours but right after that it was there. Could be just my imagination but I felt my set got brighter after 100 hours (using the same settings of course).
I did not run slides but I've been extra careful and ran overzoomed picture for most of the time (over 80% and only when I actually view something I use normal picture size) and made sure it is always on channel with moving picture, now news channels or like that..

My set it April 2012 build.
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I see the right hand side vertical bar on mine, but only on certain slides. Never on normal viewing material, so it doesn't bother me.
Basically it does not bother me most of the time but once you know it is there you keep looking for it and occasionally it is visible.
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post #5196 of 9471
8/21/12 at 11:17am
I got a brand new 50ST50, and played around a bit with the menu, paused netflix, haven't noticed any IR. I haven't left anything on for longer than 5 minutes.
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post #5197 of 9471
8/21/12 at 1:19pm
Cool Frankie I only run cod on ps3 everything else I run on 360. Either way I'll try and contact panny too. If enough people voice their opinions maybe something will get done. Or I might get an up scaling avr. Thanks for the help. All I know is I would rather not go samsung
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post #5198 of 9471
8/21/12 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Just an update in regards to posterization.
Unfortunately, it is still there in 720p from 8ft away on my 55ST50. I can't recommend this TV to someone who will play ps3 games exclusively if they do NOT have an up scaling AVR or video processor( by exclusively I mean not using the TV for ANYTHING else). If 360 is your console of choice you wont have this issue thanks to 360's internal scaler to scale everything to 1080p.
If you think you could deal with the posterization from the pics I have shown then go for it because its a great TV outside this issue. I am also going to contact Panasonic and see if I can get anywhere.
I watch a lot of different content and I think I am going to live with it for now until I get an AVR or a DVDO Edge. Its the only problem i have with the set and I know I will have even more if I switch to a different set.
Hope this helps!

Too bad. cool.gif

It would be great if you could post [after] pics if you decide to get an upscaling AVR. Curious to see how those avatars would look @ 720p when the AVR does the upscaling to 1080p as oppossed to the ST doing it.
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post #5199 of 9471
8/21/12 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

If your AVR has ARC and you use input 2 (HDMI) on the TV.
Tried that but when I hit menu on the avr it takes me out of the internet and the menu comes up for the HDMI2 input. There probably isn't a way. Just thought I would see if anyone else has made it work.
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post #5200 of 9471
8/21/12 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Cool Frankie I only run cod on ps3 everything else I run on 360. Either way I'll try and contact panny too. If enough people voice their opinions maybe something will get done. Or I might get an up scaling avr. Thanks for the help. All I know is I would rather not go samsung

I was in the same boat. I know going with a Samsung that I wouldn't have this issue. Although, there would be trade-offs. I absolutely do NOT want to sacrifice black levels. At least I can possibly fix posterization by using an AVR/Video processor. Samsung's current sets wouldn't satisfy me despite having better video processing.

You will be fine if you do most of your gaming on the 360. Enjoy the panel! It is fantastic other than this.

Also, please do call Panasonic! The more people they hear from regarding this situation, the better.
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Originally Posted by GatorRican View Post

Too bad. cool.gif
It would be great if you could post [after] pics if you decide to get an upscaling AVR. Curious to see how those avatars would look @ 720p when the AVR does the upscaling to 1080p as oppossed to the ST doing it.

I won't be getting an AVR/VP any time in the immediate future, but I will definitely post results when I do.
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/21/12 at 4:18pm
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post #5201 of 9471
8/21/12 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Just an update in regards to posterization.
Unfortunately, it is still there in 720p from 8ft away on my 55ST50. I can't recommend this TV to someone who will play ps3 games exclusively if they do NOT have an up scaling AVR or video processor( by exclusively I mean not using the TV for ANYTHING else). If 360 is your console of choice you wont have this issue thanks to 360's internal scaler to scale everything to 1080p.
If you think you could deal with the posterization from the pics I have shown then go for it because its a great TV outside this issue. I am also going to contact Panasonic and see if I can get anywhere.
I watch a lot of different content and I think I am going to live with it for now until I get an AVR or a DVDO Edge. Its the only problem i have with the set and I know I will have even more if I switch to a different set.
Hope this helps!



Thanks for reporting Frankie and it's disappointing to read that the new panel has the same issue as your old one with 720p and the ps3. How bad is the posterization when you are playing a game? It must be pretty distracting for you if you came here to find a solution.

I'm glad you like it otherwise. I hope Panasonic can help you and any other owners who have the PS3 hooked up to the ST50 and are seeing this issue with 720p games. Please post back if Panasonic or any other workaround helps in any way, besides the use of a VP or AVR. Enjoy your new panel.
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post #5202 of 9471
8/21/12 at 5:37pm
So what is going on with 720p and the PS3 on this set? Because I play games on my PS3 quite often, just recently transferred from Xbox over to PS3 and the game I have been playing lately is Sleeping Dogs, I notice the game is a bit blurry on the edges. I always wondered it was with the game itself and not my tv. The highest output display on the game is 720p. I played Mortal Kombat as well and the game generally looked much cleaner, but that game can display up to 1080p.

Also I did switch from 1080p to 720p on my PS3 and tried out Sleeping Dogs, and it still looked the same.
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post #5203 of 9471
8/21/12 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by GatorRican View Post

Too bad. cool.gif
It would be great if you could post [after] pics if you decide to get an upscaling AVR. Curious to see how those avatars would look @ 720p when the AVR does the upscaling to 1080p as oppossed to the ST doing it.

Simple, they look normal instead of blurred over.
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post #5204 of 9471
8/21/12 at 7:51pm
just curious how much are the up scaling avrs and vp's dont know a thing about them
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post #5205 of 9471
8/21/12 at 8:00pm
Looks like I will be getting the DVDO Edge MUCH sooner than expected! I just scored a GREAT deal on a used DVDO Edge for $115! smile.gif
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

just curious how much are the up scaling avrs and vp's dont know a thing about them

The DVDO Edge normally goes for around $300 used and $400 new.
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Thanks for reporting Frankie and it's disappointing to read that the new panel has the same issue as your old one with 720p and the ps3. How bad is the posterization when you are playing a game? It must be pretty distracting for you if you came here to find a solution.
I'm glad you like it otherwise. I hope Panasonic can help you and any other owners who have the PS3 hooked up to the ST50 and are seeing this issue with 720p games. Please post back if Panasonic or any other workaround helps in any way, besides the use of a VP or AVR. Enjoy your new panel.

It's mostly a problem on faces especially. Faces will look very mushy/blurry from a distance. Up close it looks fine. The posterization rears its ugly head the most with textures/characters are not right up close to the camera.
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post #5206 of 9471
8/21/12 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Looks like I will be getting the DVDO Edge MUCH sooner than expected! I just scored a GREAT deal on a used DVDO Edge for $115! smile.gif
The DVDO Edge normally goes for around $300 used and $400 new.



That is a killer DEAL!
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post #5207 of 9471
8/21/12 at 8:43pm
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

just curious how much are the up scaling avrs and vp's dont know a thing about them
Read the owners manual before buying. Don't know how many are like this but my Yamaha RX-V671 will not upscale anything 720p or higher. It will just pass these signals on. This is not something that they will advertise so read the manual before you buy.
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post #5208 of 9471
8/21/12 at 9:57pm
Thanks for the update Frankie. I know which TV I'm buying now.
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post #5209 of 9471
8/21/12 at 10:39pm
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Read the owners manual before buying. Don't know how many are like this but my Yamaha RX-V671 will not upscale anything 720p or higher. It will just pass these signals on. This is not something that they will advertise so read the manual before you buy.

Weird! I just bought the RX-V673 and it does do 720p and higher to 1080p. However, it does not convert component inputs (480i/480p) to HDMI (any resolution). Although it will convert composite inputs!

Check out the 673 thread in the receivers forum - there's a great deal detailed there that many of us have taken advantage of.
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post #5210 of 9471
8/21/12 at 11:17pm
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Originally Posted by ComputerTech0903 View Post

I wanted to buy the 2012 Panasonic 3D glasses TY-ER3D4MU but they are medium correct? Do they have a large model available? What do I do for large? Why don't they have large available?
Thanks.

Anyone?
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post #5211 of 9471
8/22/12 at 2:58am
Can anyone explain to me what the DVDO Edge does? I saw it online new through the site for $499. Does it take 480i and convert it to 1080p? Does that mean my cable tv will be in HD as well as removing any noise? Anyone clarify for me please and thank you!
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post #5212 of 9471
8/22/12 at 3:10am
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Can anyone explain to me what the DVDO Edge does? I saw it online new through the site for $499. Does it take 480i and convert it to 1080p? Does that mean my cable tv will be in HD as well as removing any noise? Anyone clarify for me please and thank you!

 

The Edge is a video-processor. It does most of the things all VPs do but the Edge doesn't have a CMS (Colour Management System) which reflects its very attractive price. It will upscale 480i to 1080p but that will not give you HD quality from SD source content (nothing will). Whether the upscaling is better than other upscaling components in your chain (BD player, TV etc) is not certain and will depend on how well they upscale and possibly what upscaling chips they use. The Edge uses the very well regarded Anchor Bay chip, but that is also found in some BD players - eg Oppos. The Edge, like all VPs will also feature controls for removing noise, adding edge enhancement, setting different frame rates and colour spaces and so on. There is a dedicated thread on AVS for the Edge where you can find much more information about it. One final thing the Edge does very well is act as a video source switcher as it has 7 or 8 HDMI inputs, so you can hook everything to the Edge and then just take one HDMI out to your screen (and another HDMI out to your AVR for sound processing). This then enables you to set up different settings for each source according to their needs - eg you may want to use noise reduction on low-quality OTA transmissions, upscaling on 480i DVD content and just pass BD through untouched, for example. More info on the DVDO Edge site too of course.

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8/22/12 at 3:36am
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

Weird! I just bought the RX-V673 and it does do 720p and higher to 1080p. However, it does not convert component inputs (480i/480p) to HDMI (any resolution). Although it will convert composite inputs!
Check out the 673 thread in the receivers forum - there's a great deal detailed there that many of us have taken advantage of.
Yes. Probably the only significant upgrade other than "Airplay" which I have no use for over the 671. But not worth the extra $200 being asked for the 673 in my opinion. From what I understand the 673 doesnt have Pandora, Rhapsody, Napster or Sirius built in either like the 671. My cable box will convert everything to 1080i and just about everything else is already 1080p anyway (bluray,Netflix,etc.).
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post #5214 of 9471
8/22/12 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Looks like I will be getting the DVDO Edge MUCH sooner than expected! I just scored a GREAT deal on a used DVDO Edge for $115! smile.gif
The DVDO Edge normally goes for around $300 used and $400 new.
That is a killer DEAL!

It definitely is! I am glad I found it. I am hoping that it will fix the posterization issues that I see in 720p on the PS3. I will report back when I get it. It will be here either this Friday or next Monday. smile.gif
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/22/12 at 8:46am
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post #5215 of 9471
8/22/12 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

Simple, they look normal instead of blurred over.

After all this fuss it would be nice to see proof and compare the exact same pics before and after AVR.
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post #5216 of 9471
8/22/12 at 9:30am
For those with the IR issues... How noticeable is it? I am a casual user and really want the 65" version of this TV, but not if the IR is incredibly distracting. My guess is that it isn't a huge deal when there is movement on the screen? Thanks.
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post #5217 of 9471
8/22/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by GatorRican View Post

After all this fuss it would be nice to see proof and compare the exact same pics before and after AVR.

I'm assuming that it will look relatively close to 1080p (since 1080p has no posterization that I can see). Regardless, I will post some pics of 720p content before/after the DVDO Edge.
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8/22/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

I'm assuming that it will look relatively close to 1080p (since 1080p has no posterization that I can see). Regardless, I will post some pics of 720p content before/after the DVDO Edge.

This! I would love to see pictures of how DVDO Edge works, I did some research after my initial post and it seems like a great product, I plan on purchasing it sometime next week. Could you post a picture of how cable looks upscaled to 1080p?
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8/22/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

It definitely is! I am glad I found it. I am hoping that it will fix the posterization issues that I see in 720p on the PS3. I will report back when I get it. It will be here either this Friday or next Monday. smile.gif

Is that a ebay item, if not why so cheep?
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post #5220 of 9471
8/22/12 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by rzanwu36 View Post

For those with the IR issues... How noticeable is it? I am a casual user and really want the 65" version of this TV, but not if the IR is incredibly distracting. My guess is that it isn't a huge deal when there is movement on the screen? Thanks.

I would not call it incredibly distracting on my 60" set. I do see it on moving material occasionally (right after coming out of a menu), but it disappears very quickly.

I would not let it dissuade anyone from buying the TV. I'm still happy I bought mine. My one concern is that it seems to be getting worse (quicker onset, more noticeable) over time. But if what others have said is true, it should start to reverse and get better after I get even more hours on the set.
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