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What mode are you in and what is contrast and brightness set at? Also, is all of the tv's processing turned off?
post #5312 of 9972
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Originally Posted by IntotheBlue View Post

Some custom settings that may be useful to anyone with a 60/65 inch with less than 100 hours on it. I'm at around 50 hours of break in, watching blu-ray content instead of slides.
Custom:
Contrast: 83
Brightness: 49
Color: 48 (51 is technically the right number when going by the blue filter, but 48 worked better with a wider range of movies)
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 26
Color temp: Warm1
C.A.T.S.: off
Video NR: off
Pro Settings:
Color Space: Wide
High RGB: -19, 0, -14
Low RGB: +10, 0, +7
(pretty solid to D65 at 20% and 80%, best you can do with only 2-point gray scale)
Black extension: default
Gamma adjust: 2.4
Panel brightness: Low
Contour emphasis: default
AGC: 0
HDMI settings
HDMI/DVI RGB range: Nonstandard (PS3 set to full range RGB)
Advanced Picture:
All NR off
Motion smoother: Weak
Black level: Light
24p Direct in: 48hz
I'm in love with the picture from this set, but I am starting to get annoyed with the buzzing which I can hear from 9 feet away when its quiet, and a scene only has to be about 75% bright/white for it to buzz. Its not worth returning since everything else is great, including IR, but I'll consider calling Panasonic if it doesn't quiet a little in a month.
Same problem with buzzing I'm in the process of getting Panasonic.if to come out except mine right away was so loud I was afraid something was going to blow up
post #5313 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

How far away are you when you're taking the pictures? I know you hate that question but it all looks bad because you're too close. Try increasing the resolution of he camera and stepping back a bit.

I am sitting about 1-2 feet back. I really wish I had a good digital camera. I will try to take more pics from about 5ft back tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

What mode are you in and what is contrast and brightness set at? Also, is all of the tv's processing turned off?

Custom mode with d-nice's settings. All TV processing off.


Look at the second set of pictures in my thread above from Uncharted 3. Look at the pillar on the left of the screen. This is pretty much the same in both the TV and DVDO edge pictures. You can clearly see the posterization in the TV one.

I don't really care to convince people if they don't believe me. The difference is night/day in person and that's all that really matters.



Pure TV is top pic and DVDO is second pic.

Can you not see the difference there?

I am not trying to start an argument. If you don't have this problem with your set then enjoy it! I tried two sets and I had it on both. DVDO Edge fixed the problem for me and I couldn't be happier. If you disagree with me then that's perfectly fine. Enjoy your panels! smile.gif
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/25/12 at 8:16pm
post #5314 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Here are some more comparison shots.
First shot is the DVDO and the second one is pure TV.
I aplogize if the pics don't line up with each other perfectly. These pics were also taken with a cell phone. I tried my best. I had to shut off the PS3 and get in the exact same scenario with each shot. The difference is night/day in person.
I don't mean the problem goes away when I sit further back. I mean that objects themselves farther off in the distance is where you can tell. Not my seating distance.

I know what you mean it's just wierd all the pictures without the problem are more zoomed in then the pictures with the problems and you mentioned it doesn't really happen on close ups. I was just making an observation. It's like that in all the pics.
post #5315 of 9972
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Originally Posted by strong island 1 View Post

I know what you mean it's just wierd all the pictures without the problem are more zoomed in then the pictures with the problems and you mentioned it doesn't really happen on close ups. I was just making an observation. It's like that in all the pics.

I will try to take just a few more pics from equal distance at some point. It honestly really doesn't matter. The effect looks the same whether I am sitting 1ft from the set or 9ft from the set. Its just a coincidence that the pictures without the problem are zoomed in more by me being closer to the set. Anyways, I really didn't really notice myself being closer for the DVDO shots. I can see the difference 8 feet away, but I didn't know how the pics would come out if I took them 8 feet away.
post #5316 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

I am sitting about 1-2 feet back. I really wish I had a good digital camera. I will try to take more pics from about 5ft back tomorrow.
Custom mode with d-nice's settings. All TV processing off.
Look at the second set of pictures in my thread above from Uncharted 3. Look at the pillar on the left of the screen. This is pretty much the same in both the TV and DVDO edge pictures. You can clearly see the posterization in the TV one.
I don't really care to convince people if they don't believe me. The difference is night/day in person and that's all that really matters.

Can you not see the difference there?
I am not trying to start an argument. If you don't have this problem with your set then enjoy it! I tried two sets and I had it on both. DVDO Edge fixed the problem for me and I couldn't be happier. If you disagree with me then that's perfectly fine. Enjoy your panels! smile.gif

I just thought that we were talking. I'm pretty mellow right now and I'm really not trying to make you upset. Okay?

It would be better if you could get a better camera and maybe a tripod. lol. Hey, I'm horrible with photography and that is basically why I asked how far you are this time. I tend to do the same thing you do when taking pictures, even with a better camera. It's just that I wanted to know if the bad stuff I'm seeing is from being too close and I guess it is.

The parts you that you point out are in the middle ground and imo should look less focused than the foreground and a bit more focused than the background. That's how it is when taking pictures, filming and just looking at things. Is that not how it is supposed to be in games? Also, is there movement in these segments that you're photographing?
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Which pics do you see more jaggies in the DVDO? The picture of the faces show more jaggies straight to the TV than to the DVDO edge. Look at the black stripe around the neck.

The photos you have listed as Pure TV look a heck of a lot better to me.
post #5318 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

The photos you have listed as Pure TV look a heck of a lot better to me.

Seriously? These pics must show it off terribly then. The difference is night/day in person, but I still cant look at these pics and see that pure TV looks better.

EDIT: WAIT! Woops. I originally said first one was DVDO and second was pure TV in the Uncharted photos. That was incorrect. I should have looked at this before I formatted the pics in order. First one is Pure TV and second is DVDO. I fixed this in the post with the pictures as well. Were you referring to those shots when you made that statement or the skateboarding game?
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/25/12 at 8:24pm
post #5319 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

For anyone with a 60"/65" panel, I just calibrated my 60ST50 if anyone wants to try my settings. Used an i1Display Pro with HCFR and a plasma correction table. YMMV of course.
Brightness is ~34fL on a 10% window and gamma is a fairly flat ~2.33 avg, which are both recommended for a darker room. Moving the Gamma slider to 2.4 and upping the contrast / brightness a few notches will bring the gamma to 2.2 and will work better for a brighter room. Making these changes doesn't affect the calibration much, but try not to go too far from my settings.
Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: 82
Brightness: 58
Color: 45
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm2
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
Pro Settings
Colorspace: Normal
W/B High R: -6
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: +4
W/B Low R: +11
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: +2
Black Extension: 0
Gamma Adjustment: 2.6
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour Emphasis: Off
AGC: 0
Advance Picture
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light
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When I compare this to D-Nice's setting, albeit for an ST30 series, the settings are quite different in the pro settings. Are the panels between the series that different and do the panels in the same series vary a lot?
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

Seriously? These pics must show it off terribly then. The difference is night/day in person, but I still cant look at these pics and see that pure TV looks better.
EDIT: WAIT! Woops. I originally said first one was DVDO and second was pure TV in the Uncharted photos. That was incorrect. I should have looked at this before I formatted the pics in order. First one is Pure TV and second is DVDO. I fixed this in the post with the pictures as well. Were you referring to those shots when you made that statement or the skateboarding game?
WOW!
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DVDO looks like it's doing something with your color, contrast and brightness settings that is resulting in clipped whites and all kinds of other undesirable stuff. I think you might have been better off paying someone from the forums to professionally calibrate your tv- like Chad B.

BTW, I do see what you mean about the smearing of colors the most in those garden path pictures. Couldn't that be because of movement/ panning?
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues View Post

When I compare this to D-Nice's setting, albeit for an ST30 series, the settings are quite different in the pro settings. Are the panels between the series that different and do the panels in the same series vary a lot?
The 50 series are new panels. I've seen D-Nice's ST30 and ST50 settings (they're both posted at High Def Junkies) and his ST50 settings are pretty similar to mine, so evidently the ST30 and ST50 are very different. Note that his settings are for the 50"/55" panels and mine are for the 60"/65" panels (they're a bit different). His meter is definitely more accurate than mine, and he's obviously far more experienced, but again, our settings are fairly similar.

Also keep in mind that plugging in someone else' settings will never be perfect (sometimes worse than the best preset) due to panel to panel variations. I dunno how much variation there is between panels, but I believe D-Nice was told by Panasonic that they've improved on it this year. One thing for sure is that D-Nice's or my settings will work better on the ST50 than D-Nice's ST30 settings.
Edited by rahzel - 8/25/12 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

You getting that 773 hooked up?
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Panning and judder problems have been discussed more thoroughly on the VT50 Owners and the VT50 Settings threads. Did you see those discussions?
post #5325 of 9972
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You getting that 773 hooked up?

No, hubby hogged the tv all day. I'm going to try tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

WOW!

I was waiting for a post like that from someone who thought I was just trying to get someone to accept what I was saying. It was an honest mistake. I was trying to put the pics in order unlike my previous post of the Skate images. I just had the wording backwards when I references which came first. If you don't believe me then that is perfectly fine. I am not trying to convince people at all. Some people just asked me to post before/after pictures with the DVDO Edge so I did.
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

DVDO looks like it's doing something with your color, contrast and brightness settings that is resulting in clipped whites and all kinds of other undesirable stuff. I think you might have been better off paying someone from the forums to professionally calibrate your tv- like Chad B.
BTW, I do see what you mean about the smearing of colors the most in those garden path pictures. Couldn't that be because of movement/ panning?

I don't see how it could be because of movement/panning. The picture wasn't really moving at all when I took that picture. You can see the same effect on the picture I took of the avatar (the man holding the vial of yellow liquid) and the avatar would not be moving/panning of course.

I don't see how ANY amount of professorial calibration would fix the problem. I altered every single setting various times in order to try to get rid of the issue. I even used settings that people had from professionally calibrated sets. Nothing worked. The DVDO Edge is the only thing that has worked and I have not changed a SINGLE setting on my TV other than plugging in the DVDO Edge.

In regards to any possible clipping you are seeing...I haven't messed with the color/contrast/brightness settings on the DVDO Edge itself yet. I just have those set up through the TV for now. I assume you are referring to this mostly from the first pic of my Uncharted shots? The lighting looks all weird there and I agree. Probably just a bad angle.
Edited by Frankie1588 - 8/25/12 at 9:29pm
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Hey folks:

After a few months absence from the forums, I'm back to share a sob story along with my hopes for the future. I had a professionally calibrated Samsung PN59D7000, which, sadly, I accidentally knocked a lamp into. I bought it at a big box store, but didn't purchase the protection plan since I was stretching myself pretty thin buying the thing, along with the new stand to handle the weight of a 90+ pound display.

I loved my TV. I showed it off (this was my first pro calibrated display), and convinced the naysayers that pro calibration is definitely worth it. Well, I broke it about a week ago, and started doing research, and I've decided to go with the Panny 60ST50, which I'll definitely be getting calibrated after it's properly broken in.

I'll be ordering my display next week after getting my next check with a few hundred bucks of overtime included, and I'm sure I'll be spending a lot of time on the forum once again.
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I'm starting to get an interest in this TV after doing a bit of research.

It has been noted that this TV has pretty minimal input lag for gamers. As a fan of competitive fighting I am very sensitive to this.

I was wondering if anyone who games quite often and is sensitive to input lag can comment on how this TV holds up for them.

I'm also wondering if the $500 price difference between the 60 and 65 inch is worth it lol.

Are there any deals on this TV right now that anyone knows of? Amazon seems to have a decent price on it right now, but I wasn't sure if that is the normal price.
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Anyone using a Darbee with the st50? I am consideribg getting one, but people seem to have mixed results depending on the display they are using. like to know impressions for use with this exact panel. Thanks in advance! Walker 17
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Originally Posted by walker17 View Post

Anyone using a Darbee with the st50? I am consideribg getting one, but people seem to have mixed results depending on the display they are using. like to know impressions for use with this exact panel. Thanks in advance! Walker 17

I just put mine in between my DVDO Edge and 60ST50. It is an amazing device. It brings out detail without any of the adverse effects that most detail tools have. I am using mine on the HD setting with a value of 50. As the reviewers have stated it has the most impact on quality broadcast TV and Blurays. It will not fix compression issues with the signal. It looks great for football just in time for the season! I definitely recommend it as now that I have used it I can't imagine not having it in my system.
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Hey Frankie, really appreciate the time and effort to post these shots. It would be great if you could post a couple of comparison shots with HD cable or blu-ray as the source.
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

I'm starting to get an interest in this TV after doing a bit of research.
It has been noted that this TV has pretty minimal input lag for gamers. As a fan of competitive fighting I am very sensitive to this.
I was wondering if anyone who games quite often and is sensitive to input lag can comment on how this TV holds up for them.
I'm also wondering if the $500 price difference between the 60 and 65 inch is worth it lol.
Are there any deals on this TV right now that anyone knows of? Amazon seems to have a decent price on it right now, but I wasn't sure if that is the normal price.

Go to this link for deals on the ST50: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406945/panasonic-st50-deals/390

I bought the 50ST50 for the bedroom. Last Christmas, I bought a 65VT30 for the HT. once you taste 65" HDTV, you only question will be, "When will the Panny 80” be available?"

If you can stretch the $500 to go 65", I encourage you to do it. The average American buys a new tv only once every 7 years . . . How long will you be keeping this TV? A short time, 60" plus $500 for something else will work for you. But, if this is your primary HT viewing, well, bigger is better.

But, if you need other updates, use the $500 on something to make viewing on the 60" more meaningful.

Good luck with your choice.
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If you are thinking about the DVDO Edge, you might want to see this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1051246/new-dvdo-edge

For the Darbee, go here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet
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Originally Posted by jav1 View Post

Hey Frankie, really appreciate the time and effort to post these shots. It would be great if you could post a couple of comparison shots with HD cable or blu-ray as the source.

I will try to do that soon. I haven't tried any Blu rays yet because I assume the TV processes native 1080p just fine. I mainly got the DVDO Edge for handling resolutions outside the native 1080p. I will try it though and try to get some pics soon.
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Hi,

I just recently purchased a 55ST50 and so far I'm loving it. Anyhow, here is my calibration report



Panasonic_55ST50_Calibration_Report.png 791k .png file

Panasonic 55ST50 US Model

Calibrated to Rec709 using 25% pattern with i1 Display LT colorimeter

Picture
- - - - - -
Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: +90
Brightness: +55
Color: +46
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Warm2
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Pro settings
- - - - - - - - -
Color space: Normal
W/B high R: +10
W/B high G: +1
W/B high B: +11
W/B low R: +10
W/B low G: 0
W/B low B: +4
Black extension: 0
Gamma adjustment: 2.6
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour emphasis: Off
AGC: 0
Edited by kanedo - 8/27/12 at 11:33am
post #5336 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Go to this link for deals on the ST50: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406945/panasonic-st50-deals/390
I bought the 50ST50 for the bedroom. Last Christmas, I bought a 65VT30 for the HT. once you taste 65" HDTV, you only question will be, "When will the Panny 80” be available?"
If you can stretch the $500 to go 65", I encourage you to do it. The average American buys a new tv only once every 7 years . . . How long will you be keeping this TV? A short time, 60" plus $500 for something else will work for you. But, if this is your primary HT viewing, well, bigger is better.
But, if you need other updates, use the $500 on something to make viewing on the 60" more meaningful.
Good luck with your choice.

Thanks for the link.

This most likely is NOT going to be my primary HT setup. Most likely going with a projector in the basement, but it's not 100% yet. I have to do some research on projectors as well before I decide to make the plunge.

Do you have any opinion on the input lag on this TV?

I've heard mixed reviews so far, in that it is 16ms, but then someone tested the 65" one on some new test, and it came out about 48ms or so. But this was all word of mouth, I have not seen any actual tests, which is why I'm asking in here.
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Thanks for the info! What are you using for reg. tv, direct tv, dish, cable, etc? I am most concerned about how it performs for dish network and blu ray. I have read that the better the source the better it works, your thoughts? Thanks again! Walker17
post #5338 of 9972
Thanks for the info! What are you using for reg. tv, direct tv, dish, cable, etc? I am most concerned about how it performs for dish network and blu ray. I have read that the better the source the better it works, your thoughts? Thanks again! Walker17
post #5339 of 9972
Purbeast input lag is very good on this especially on game mode. Beats the e6500 in terms of input lag also. Btw Frankie you know you can force uncharted to 1080p right
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I do not mean to get off topic, but I have a question. I can purchase an open-box 46-Inch XBR-HX929 for $1,200 plus tax. It was the display model, so it has been used roughly 3,500 hours. Or, I could purchase a brand new Panasonic 50-Inch ST50 for $1,300 plus tax. What do you fellas feel is a better choice? Or is a brand new Panasonic 50-Inch VT50 a better choice, albeit more expensive? I have owned several LCD's and one LED HDTV, but I have never owned a Plasma. If you are knowledgeable enough to give me some good advice, please do. smile.gif Thanks
Edited by HypostaticUnion - 8/27/12 at 2:22am
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