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post #5401 of 9972
No cooling fans in the ST50's
post #5402 of 9972
I'm wondering if the so-called right-edge blue pixel strip is in fact just the blue SUB-pixel. IIRC the geometry of the red-green-blue layout, the blue is on the right.

I also think the manual gives the minimum distance to the wall. IIRC it was like 3" for the VT.
post #5403 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ticmxman View Post

What is the minimum distance from the wall the ST50 can be mounted? Mine is at 1-3/4'' from the wall and I might reduce it to1'' if that is still enough room for cooling.

I would say 3/4" (which would butt up the power cord connector to the wall) would be the closest to the wall without modifying the drywall. Is that enough room for ventilation? It's definitly better than butting up the back panel to the wall blocking the vents. Obviously the closer you mount it to the wall the TV's temp will rise and you risk over heating the internal parts to the point of failure or at the very least to wear out faster than normal.


Page 4 in owners manual

WARNING/CAUTION (TV set)

● Do not route the TV’s power cord inside the wall.
The power cord was not designed for in-wall mounting.
Doing so can lead to fire hazard
post #5404 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

What Size?
Love our 60ST50, but the Samsung E6500 also has great reviews. Also, the UT50 might be a bargain as long as you can control room lighting & are willing to give up a couple of perks.
As a dark horse: the LG PA6500/6550 has been running around $1k - $1,100 in a 60" size.
The LG might not have the overall PQ of the Pan or Samsung, but it is a Handsome set, with lots of features, and (the last time I looked....) its owners seem quite happy.
The UT you're talking about is the TC-P50UT50? I was looking at that, they have a deal at BB for that plus an Xbox for 850. Is it worth getting or is the ST really that much better?
post #5405 of 9972
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Originally Posted by IntotheBlue View Post

What is the 65ST50's next closest competitor? I just tried 3D for the first time, and for my purposes it is a totally unusable feature. Crosstalk was unbelievable, 60hz, 48hz, couldn't alleviate it.
I didn't buy this TV for 3D, but didn't realize it'd be so bad. My 32" passive 3D is a much more enjoyable experience. I probably won't go through the hassle of a refund, but just curious. Samsung 64e550? 64D7000?

No responses to this post about the 3d on the st50 being unusable from other owners? From what I have read regarding the 3d performance of the st50 , is that it performs well with 3d. How come this member is stating otherwise? Any thoughts?
post #5406 of 9972
i was just at best buy and watched the 3d sample it looked awesome to me and that was the one they run all day every day!
post #5407 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rupterr View Post

No responses to this post about the 3d on the st50 being unusable from other owners? From what I have read regarding the 3d performance of the st50 , is that it performs well with 3d. How come this member is stating otherwise? Any thoughts?

No clue, he doesn't even reference what material he is watching. 3D Blu has been a great experience on this set at home and is superior to the effect at my local theater.
post #5408 of 9972
Anyone know of any B&M stores that sell the ST50 in 60" and 65"?

I want to bring my 360 there and hook it up HDMI and test out the input lag on SF4.

Best Buy around me does not keep it in stock in either size.

Anyone know of any chain stores that have it?
post #5409 of 9972
Sears

My local Sears has the 60ST50 on display.
post #5410 of 9972
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Originally Posted by meguerra View Post

Sears
My local Sears has the 60ST50 on display.

Hmmm I just checked the Sears website and no stores near me or where I work have the 55, 60, or 65 inch in stock. They all say it will be there in 9-11 or 23-25 days.

Wonder if they do actually have a floor model though.

Does sears let you bring in consoles and hook them up?
post #5411 of 9972
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Originally Posted by meguerra View Post

No cooling fans in the ST50's

Hmm, ok thanks. I'm going to leave it as is 1-3/4" from the wall. Sure don't want any over heating issue.
post #5412 of 9972
Has the Netflix issue been resolved?

I can't believe any 2012 TV with net capability doesn't have Netflix working.
post #5413 of 9972
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

Has the Netflix issue been resolved?
I can't believe any 2012 TV with net capability doesn't have Netflix working.
What is wrong with it?
post #5414 of 9972
Hello,
I would be surprised if Netflix on the ST is any different than on my 60GT50 which works without a hitch. Indeed, what problems are being experienced? Aside from ARC sounding far lower in volume than all of my other sources, the functionality is spot on and even includes DD+ on selected titles.
Cheers,
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post #5415 of 9972
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Originally Posted by SHOWM3URBO0BYZ View Post

i was just at best buy and watched the 3d sample it looked awesome to me and that was the one they run all day every day!

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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

No clue, he doesn't even reference what material he is watching. 3D Blu has been a great experience on this set at home and is superior to the effect at my local theater.


Thanks for the responses. Almost all owners of the ST50 that I have seen post here and elsewhere have stated that it's 3d performance is good. I was just curious as to why no one had questioned the original posters thoughts on 3d performance in this thread. 3d performance is important to me. The more info I can get on how the ST50 performs with 3d from owners, the better.
post #5416 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rupterr View Post

No responses to this post about the 3d on the st50 being unusable from other owners? From what I have read regarding the 3d performance of the st50 , is that it performs well with 3d. How come this member is stating otherwise? Any thoughts?

First time playing a 3D blu-ray yesterday on the 50ST50. I found the 3D to be excellent. Mind you, this is my first HD TV, and my first 3D TV. As I watched it, I critiqued the image quality. I might of seen some cross talk, or it could of been just scenes in Avatar [Honestly: I'm not sure even what cross talk is, I guess it would be blurry 3D]. However, overall, the 3D was excellent and I was very impressed and happy with my purchase.

My girlfriend really liked the 3D as well.
post #5417 of 9972
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Originally Posted by barth2k View Post

Has the Netflix issue been resolved?
I can't believe any 2012 TV with net capability doesn't have Netflix working.

I haven't experienced any Netflix issues. 95% of the content I watch on the TV is through the Netflix app on the TV. It works very well, image quality and sound is great. I can't wait to wire my rear speakers to enjoy 5.1 surround through Netflix.
post #5418 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Frankie1588 View Post

I am sitting about 1-2 feet back. I really wish I had a good digital camera. I will try to take more pics from about 5ft back tomorrow.
Custom mode with d-nice's settings. All TV processing off.
Look at the second set of pictures in my thread above from Uncharted 3. Look at the pillar on the left of the screen. This is pretty much the same in both the TV and DVDO edge pictures. You can clearly see the posterization in the TV one.
I don't really care to convince people if they don't believe me. The difference is night/day in person and that's all that really matters.

Pure TV is top pic and DVDO is second pic.
Can you not see the difference there?
I am not trying to start an argument. If you don't have this problem with your set then enjoy it! I tried two sets and I had it on both. DVDO Edge fixed the problem for me and I couldn't be happier. If you disagree with me then that's perfectly fine. Enjoy your panels! smile.gif

I am confused. The one you claim to be Pure TV (top) looks better to me than the one you claim is DVDO. Even the color and shadowing here look better on the top. Did you mean to say the top one is DVDO and bottom Pure TV??
post #5419 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

No clue, he doesn't even reference what material he is watching. 3D Blu has been a great experience on this set at home and is superior to the effect at my local theater.

Using Tangled 3D on blu, using a modification of my regular 2D settings. Let me preface by saying I own a Vizio and Toshiba 32" passive 3D TV(s). Not amazing sets by ANY means, but decent bedroom TVs with usable 3D when needed. I'm also a photographer and spend a ton of money on camera gear to achieve the most sharpness possible (Canon 1D IV is my current camera, 45 auto focus points to quell my quest for good focusing DSLR's). I'm 9 feet away from a 65 inch screen (and have my PS3 set to a 65 inch screen...this may be the issue since there's no way for the Playstation to know my viewing distance, but lets just assume my PS3 isn't worsening the already well documented cross-talk in Panasonic plasmas).

Now with that said, when watching 3D content (Tangled) I first noticed the problem when you see the tower out in the field for the first time...at first the scene is bright but the tower is still dark in color. ANYTHING that is a dark gray or brown in color while watching 3D suffers from cross-talk, it literally looks like portions of the picture are out of focus (not in a pleasing photographic way, but the OMG let this scene change kind of way). Once the tower is lit, then the 3D adjusts and its perfect. I'm not well versed on how active 3D tech works but its pretty obvious that the glasses are constantly re-focusing similar to contrast or phase detection that a camera does (and like a camera is harder to lock focus when the subject is poorly lit). Now why do I guess this? Increasing the overall TV brightness so that the darker shades are now brighter did lessen the cross-talk slightly in those darker areas when compared to the exact same scene with correct brightness levels. So now that alleviates some of the problems with cross talk in dark shades...but blacks will still always suck.

Long story short, just about every other scene makes me want to yell "Focus!". Trust me, I get when something is supposed to be in or out of focus to draw your eyes to what is in focus...but this cross-talk is literally jumping out at the screen at me and distracts me from what I should be focusing on.

Using the 3D adjustments in the Setup menu is able to align the cross talk while throwing different portions of the picture out of alignment. (look for reviews, this is nothing new).

All of our eyes are different, but to me I couldn't sit through an entire movie, it just IRKED me. By contrast I watch 2D blu's in 48hz mode and really enjoy that (where most people find it unusable)...so who knows.

Also...has anyone experienced the buzzing actually decrease up until the ~100-200 hour mark?
post #5420 of 9972
Its not letting me edit my post...but let me just say at this point, both forms of 3D have their cons. The interlaced look of passive really irks me, even on a 32 inch tv, but I've still been able to chug through a movie...I had to give up on Tangled half way through.
post #5421 of 9972
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Originally Posted by IntotheBlue View Post

Using Tangled 3D on blu, using a modification of my regular 2D settings. Let me preface by saying I own a Vizio and Toshiba 32" passive 3D TV(s). Not amazing sets by ANY means, but decent bedroom TVs with usable 3D when needed. I'm also a photographer and spend a ton of money on camera gear to achieve the most sharpness possible (Canon 1D IV is my current camera, 45 auto focus points to quell my quest for good focusing DSLR's). I'm 9 feet away from a 65 inch screen (and have my PS3 set to a 65 inch screen...this may be the issue since there's no way for the Playstation to know my viewing distance, but lets just assume my PS3 isn't worsening the already well documented cross-talk in Panasonic plasmas).
Now with that said, when watching 3D content (Tangled) I first noticed the problem when you see the tower out in the field for the first time...at first the scene is bright but the tower is still dark in color. ANYTHING that is a dark gray or brown in color while watching 3D suffers from cross-talk, it literally looks like portions of the picture are out of focus (not in a pleasing photographic way, but the OMG let this scene change kind of way). Once the tower is lit, then the 3D adjusts and its perfect. I'm not well versed on how active 3D tech works but its pretty obvious that the glasses are constantly re-focusing similar to contrast or phase detection that a camera does (and like a camera is harder to lock focus when the subject is poorly lit). Now why do I guess this? Increasing the overall TV brightness so that the darker shades are now brighter did lessen the cross-talk slightly in those darker areas when compared to the exact same scene with correct brightness levels. So now that alleviates some of the problems with cross talk in dark shades...but blacks will still always suck.
Long story short, just about every other scene makes me want to yell "Focus!". Trust me, I get when something is supposed to be in or out of focus to draw your eyes to what is in focus...but this cross-talk is literally jumping out at the screen at me and distracts me from what I should be focusing on.
Using the 3D adjustments in the Setup menu is able to align the cross talk while throwing different portions of the picture out of alignment. (look for reviews, this is nothing new).
All of our eyes are different, but to me I couldn't sit through an entire movie, it just IRKED me. By contrast I watch 2D blu's in 48hz mode and really enjoy that (where most people find it unusable)...so who knows.
Also...has anyone experienced the buzzing actually decrease up until the ~100-200 hour mark?

I don't know what I am more surprised by, the fact that you find the 3d to be terrible (I find it to be very good in 48hz) or the fact that you actually watch and like 2d in 48hz (I swear I would have a seizure if I tried to watch an entire movie in that mode w/ all of its flicker). I have not tangled 3d, so maybe that movie has its own issues, but all of the 3d's I have watched look "in focus" to me, and I am pretty particular. I wonder if the settings (tv or ps3) are off?
post #5422 of 9972
Figured I'd ask in here since it's the most active Panny Plasma thread.

Is there anyone here using Smart Viera's Netflix HD app in Canada, but using a VPN/proxy service to access the US Netflix store? I'm wondering if it's possible to do so as my current media streamer does not support Netflix (original Popcorn Hour).

Thanks!
post #5423 of 9972
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Originally Posted by grambo View Post

Figured I'd ask in here since it's the most active Panny Plasma thread.
Is there anyone here using Smart Viera's Netflix HD app in Canada, but using a VPN/proxy service to access the US Netflix store? I'm wondering if it's possible to do so as my current media streamer does not support Netflix (original Popcorn Hour).
Thanks!

I'd like confirmation as well, as I plan on doing this exact thing.
post #5424 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chadsdsmith View Post

I don't know what I am more surprised by, the fact that you find the 3d to be terrible (I find it to be very good in 48hz) or the fact that you actually watch and like 2d in 48hz (I swear I would have a seizure if I tried to watch an entire movie in that mode w/ all of its flicker). I have not tangled 3d, so maybe that movie has its own issues, but all of the 3d's I have watched look "in focus" to me, and I am pretty particular. I wonder if the settings (tv or ps3) are off?

I guess its a case of, once you notice a problem, you can never look away from it. I can clearly see everytime the images don't align (almost all online reviews mention cross-talk, I'm not going crazy. And reviews for Samsung sets from the same sites hardly mention it). When the scene is totally bright the 3D looks amazing and blows passive 3D out of the water (no surprise, Full HD vs interlaced mess) but dimmer scenes are just killing it for me. I've got the last Harry Potter in 3D I can give a spin this weekend to see if that's more enjoyable. I've seen a few IMAX films in active 3D so I know my eyes/brain are compatible with the technology when done right. To be clear, my gripes with 3D on this TV aren't incompatible with users who rank the 3D as "good". Yes there's great pop and depth that are jaw dropping amazing during a few scenes...but I bought a 65 inch for immersion, and seeing cross talk pulls me out of it.

Also, I'm not in a 100% light controlled environment so 48hz for 3D is only viable at night, it didn't offer some magical cure though. But ahh man, love my 2D blu-rays in 48hz...The Dark Knight was a little annoying to watch though, only movie where the flicker was overpowering at times. Everything else is either flicker free or just a tiny bit of flicker that reminds me of watching movies at the theater before they upgraded to 72hz, etc. I'm even going to return my Apple TV since it doesn't output 1080p24.

Right now my only concern is the buzzing. Yes I even get posterization when playing 720p PS3 games (played Hard Rain where the painterly effect worked out quite nice for the style of the graphics), but I don't game enough to care about this issue. The 3D issue alone wouldn't make me consider switching brands now that I have the 90lb TV already in my living room, but had I known my sensitivity to cross-talk I would have considered a Samsung plasma, or hell even the LG passive LED seriously.
post #5425 of 9972
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Originally Posted by IntotheBlue View Post

I guess its a case of, once you notice a problem, you can never look away from it. I can clearly see everytime the images don't align (almost all online reviews mention cross-talk, I'm not going crazy. And reviews for Samsung sets from the same sites hardly mention it). When the scene is totally bright the 3D looks amazing and blows passive 3D out of the water (no surprise, Full HD vs interlaced mess) but dimmer scenes are just killing it for me. I've got the last Harry Potter in 3D I can give a spin this weekend to see if that's more enjoyable. I've seen a few IMAX films in active 3D so I know my eyes/brain are compatible with the technology when done right. To be clear, my gripes with 3D on this TV aren't incompatible with users who rank the 3D as "good". Yes there's great pop and depth that are jaw dropping amazing during a few scenes...but I bought a 65 inch for immersion, and seeing cross talk pulls me out of it.
Also, I'm not in a 100% light controlled environment so 48hz for 3D is only viable at night, it didn't offer some magical cure though. But ahh man, love my 2D blu-rays in 48hz...The Dark Knight was a little annoying to watch though, only movie where the flicker was overpowering at times. Everything else is either flicker free or just a tiny bit of flicker that reminds me of watching movies at the theater before they upgraded to 72hz, etc. I'm even going to return my Apple TV since it doesn't output 1080p24.
Right now my only concern is the buzzing. Yes I even get posterization when playing 720p PS3 games (played Hard Rain where the painterly effect worked out quite nice for the style of the graphics), but I don't game enough to care about this issue. The 3D issue alone wouldn't make me consider switching brands now that I have the 90lb TV already in my living room, but had I known my sensitivity to cross-talk I would have considered a Samsung plasma, or hell even the LG passive LED seriously.

I know your not crazy, I too have read about some 3d issues with this line of tv's, but I have found the 3d to be pretty good at night using 48hz. During the day, the cheap samsung glasses I bought leave a lot to be disired, so I don't watch 3d during those times. I have the harry potter 3d, and watched a bit of it one night. It doesn't have the greatest of 3d effects, but everything looked good to me. I would watch that at night using 48hz and see what you think. It has almost all dark scenes.
post #5426 of 9972
Anyone know if whether or not setting the color temp to NORMAL would have any affect on image retention or burn in. My contrast is at 76 with brightness at 56 but i use color temp normal for games and in pro settings i have my custom settings for w/b balance. Will that make it more prone to image retention as oppose to setting it to WARM.
post #5427 of 9972
A note about Pandora screen saver:

Someone mentioned that the Pandora screen saver was not working right now. By accident, and then replication, I found that the screen saver will not turn on when the highlighted box is anything other than your left side radio stations. Leave the "cursor" highlighting a station and it turns on no problem every time.

Weird but true.
post #5428 of 9972
Two issues I wanted to report.

As I paid more attention; I started to notice 3D crosstalk and ghosting on dark images that were in motion. There is quite a bit of it, but it doesn’t make 3D unwatchable. It’s still very good. I don’t think anyone would notice these things unless they are looking for them. I’m not too worried about this as the technology is still new and a lot can be improved.

Second issue is the Temporary Image Retention. Right after turning on the TV, I noticed the VIERA logo and some other bars from the Internet applications I was using earlier. I believe this went away after watching some content, I didn’t get a chance to look at a solid color screen, so I can’t confirm 100% if it went away. I didn’t notice it at all during normal content watching, only during the first solid black screen when the TV turned on. I was slightly concerned at first, not so much anymore.
post #5429 of 9972
I just got the P60ST50 yesterday and have noticed that the pixels are a bit fuzzy in that on a white screen they kind of buzz around. Also, there seems to be like blue lines or interlacing as well. I couldn't notice this when sitting further away from the TV. It's my first plasma and was wondering if this is standard stuff or if I should try and return it.

Oh and I turned off the pixel settings in the image retention menu.
Edited by stringerhye - 8/31/12 at 7:49am
post #5430 of 9972
^ Pretty sure that's just because you are too close.

I got this set on Monday and have yet to notice a hint of IR. Watched a full pre-season NFL game with a static scoreboard last night. What 3D glasses do I need? Are there options or is it a standard set?
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