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post #5761 of 9972
Help guys!
I had a really weird thing happen tonight. I have had my 65st50 about six weeks. Been working great. Tonight I got a panny bdt500 and hooked it up to try out some 3D. Everything was good for awhile and then when accessing the Blu ray through the home screen of the player, the tv started flickering like mad. Sound went in and out. Lots of static, snow. I powered everything off and back on. Everything seemed fine but then I noticed the right side of the screen has about 4-5 inches of a black bar, like a letterbox bar. Either the whole image has shifted to the left or that side is just not going on. Hard to tell. I powered on and unplugged and nothing helps. What do I do? Is there a hard reset procedure? Do I just call panny?

My first plasma so I have no experience

Thanks!

Edit: after looking some more it definitely seems like everything just shifted to the left. No graphics or words are cut off. I found the factory reset. Tried that and no luck. Anyone have any experience with panny service? Thanks
Edited by Dave Mack - 9/19/12 at 9:15pm
post #5762 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rudds View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Long shot, but you did try a different HDMI cable I assume?

Yep, on all three inputs, and with PS3, 360, and broadcast TV. The problem is either in the screen itself or the video processing hardware, and either way I hope Amazon will just ship me a new one and not give me any grief about going through Panasonic instead.

One other weird thing, the TV didnt prompt me to go through the first-time setup (date/time, region, channel auto-program) when I first turned it on. Should it have done that? Any chance this was a previously returned unit given that?

 

Sounds like a fault then for sure. Amazon will replace it I am sure. Odd that it didn't go through the first-time routine - so it went straight into TV channels without needing tuning?  That is definitely not right is it?

post #5763 of 9972
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Originally Posted by whipit View Post

Most do have real glass with an Anti-Reflective coating applied to the outer portion. Not sure about the ST50. Hope the cat isn't scratching THAT, since the only repair is replacing the whole plasma panel which is very expensive. You need to make sure about. Can you say shock collar eek.gif

Buy some Boundry spray at Pet Smart...It worked very well with my cat.
post #5764 of 9972
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Originally Posted by raywin View Post

Just got the firmware update and came here to see what others are reporting.
the volume status indicator is a small yellow ball instead of a blue rectangle,
anyone else notice any differences?
raywin



Same small yellow volume ball after the 1.230 update.
post #5765 of 9972
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Long shot, but you did try a different HDMI cable I assume?

yeah i had something like that on my Vizio. i like how componet looks better than hdmi anyways. looks smoother and more lifelike. try that input. it can take HD signals too.

prob bad inputs. i would return it
post #5766 of 9972
Hi there watching Soccer i have horrible Vertical
Stripes. I only recognize them in the Green Grass.
So you have These Problems as well.
At the moment i think of changing the St to a samny 6500
Has some of you compared them directly?
post #5767 of 9972
Does the 60ST50 have the pixel orbitor like the GT50?

Thanks
post #5768 of 9972
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Originally Posted by edwardlotz View Post

Does the 60ST50 have the pixel orbitor like the GT50?
Thanks

Yes standard Panasonic feature
post #5769 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rudds View Post

Got my 55" ST50 in today from Amazon and I'm really disappointed. Any advice appreciated.

Well, I too have a ST50 (a 65 inch) and I don't have the purple band or any distortion. Before blaming the tv, rule out other things. I'll explain briefly my adventures with this set so far. For starters I had a older Scientific Alanta cable box that always ran hot... so hot you literally could burn your hand if you kept it on it for more than a few seconds. So, first thing after testing that the set worked, I "switched boxes" which is a service WOW cable (my provider) does for free. I lucked out and just by luck of the draw I got a almost brand new (according to sticker on back) Cisco box with all the bells and whistles. I saw an immediate improvement in picture quality. Clicking the Cable box remote there also were options under settings as far as how both the audio and video signals were handled and yes difference were noted.

I have a moderatedly priced Sony Home Theater (A/V receiver) and decent 7-1 speaker system so of course I wanted to play the audio through it. Right out of the box I just plugged in a HDMI cable (which carries both video/audio signals) from the Cicso cable box to HDMI 1 on my Sony A/R and had the output from it got to HDMI 1 on the tv. I set the menu option to use theater speakers and that easily I had full 7-1 audio playing on tv channels that were transmitting it or some other Dolby format... I thought I was set... no, as I would find out later.

Yesterday I had some time to play around with the other features. I accessed some vids I had stored on my main PC (which contained audio) and also watched a few Youtube vids I knew also had audio. Guess what, no audio played back through either the tv speakers or my home theater. I had a couple other minor issues so I called Panasonic support. To make a long story short I was told that Viera features only played through the tv's speakers, disappointed, I none the less listened as the tech walked me through the steps to change that. It worked sometimes, but not always. I asked does it matter I'm using HDMI #1 and not HDMI #2? Tech said no.

Fast forward to this morning. I noted the tv has a ARC HDMI as input #2 so I switched to that... duh... now EVERYTHING, the TV playing tv channels, the blu ray player, vids off my computer, vids off Youtube play audio and through your home theater if you reset the menu options. So sometimes the techs mess up with their advice. Oh, I had to also make a option change on my home theater, which allows ARC control. Details, details...

As far as your audio problem there are many digital to analog convertors, one just picked at random below, which might improve your problem. I would however suggest you invest in a full featured A/V recveiver, even the cheaper entry level ones really do a good job processing the digital audio and it does make huge improvements in audio quality.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Digital-Optical-Coax-Coaxial-Toslink-RCA-Analog-Audio-AUX-Converter-/330642872317#vi-content
post #5770 of 9972
Quick question -- how does this tv handle glare and reflection. I am looking for buy this for my living room and we have big french windows and get a lot of bright light.. would this tv still be a good buy given the situation?
post #5771 of 9972
Seems to handle both very well, much better than my older Panny 8 year old plasma.

Details... I have the set in a corner of my family room at a angle facing center of room which is sort of large, about 22 by 18 feet or so. Vaulted ceiling on the opposite side the tv. On the wall where the tv is there's two large skylights in the middle of that 22 foot sloped ceiling, about 8 feet from where the tv is. At at certain point of time on a sunny day the sunlight streams in the skylights and on the old set would render tv watching almost impossible unless I pulled the blinds on the skylights which was a pain in the butt so we didn't. With this new tv even when the sun does its thing, I still can view the tv, butyou are aware the sun is lighting it up. For sure you still see the effect on the screen till the sun moves enough, but picture hardly effected, not to the point you can't watch.

Elsewise during the day even in bright sunlight not a problem at all and much improved over my older tv. Not to mislead, the sun never directly hits the screen straight on, but during the day this is a very bright room with Eastern daylight. The glass is quite reflective when not in use, but then who cares. So unless the tv is opposite the windows or other outdoor light source you should be fine. If light from outside squartely hits the tv screen any tv will be effected to some extent. For additional information, when viewing at night, typically have a three light fan lit and also a couple table lamps that are opposite the tv, but about 12 from it, and they aren't refelcted in the screen at all.
post #5772 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

Well, I too have a ST50 (a 65 inch) and I don't have the purple band or any distortion. Before blaming the tv, rule out other things. I'll explain briefly my adventures with this set so far. For starters I had a older Scientific Alanta cable box that always ran hot... so hot you literally could burn your hand if you kept it on it for more than a few seconds. So, first thing after testing that the set worked, I "switched boxes" which is a service WOW cable (my provider) does for free. I lucked out and just by luck of the draw I got a almost brand new (according to sticker on back) Cisco box with all the bells and whistles. I saw an immediate improvement in picture quality. Clicking the Cable box remote there also were options under settings as far as how both the audio and video signals were handled and yes difference were noted.
I have a moderatedly priced Sony Home Theater (A/V receiver) and decent 7-1 speaker system so of course I wanted to play the audio through it. Right out of the box I just plugged in a HDMI cable (which carries both video/audio signals) from the Cicso cable box to HDMI 1 on my Sony A/R and had the output from it got to HDMI 1 on the tv. I set the menu option to use theater speakers and that easily I had full 7-1 audio playing on tv channels that were transmitting it or some other Dolby format... I thought I was set... no, as I would find out later.
Yesterday I had some time to play around with the other features. I accessed some vids I had stored on my main PC (which contained audio) and also watched a few Youtube vids I knew also had audio. Guess what, no audio played back through either the tv speakers or my home theater. I had a couple other minor issues so I called Panasonic support. To make a long story short I was told that Viera features only played through the tv's speakers, disappointed, I none the less listened as the tech walked me through the steps to change that. It worked sometimes, but not always. I asked does it matter I'm using HDMI #1 and not HDMI #2? Tech said no.
Fast forward to this morning. I noted the tv has a ARC HDMI as input #2 so I switched to that... duh... now EVERYTHING, the TV playing tv channels, the blu ray player, vids off my computer, vids off Youtube play audio and through your home theater if you reset the menu options. So sometimes the techs mess up with their advice. Oh, I had to also make a option change on my home theater, which allows ARC control. Details, details...
As far as your audio problem there are many digital to analog convertors, one just picked at random below, which might improve your problem. I would however suggest you invest in a full featured A/V recveiver, even the cheaper entry level ones really do a good job processing the digital audio and it does make huge improvements in audio quality.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Digital-Optical-Coax-Coaxial-Toslink-RCA-Analog-Audio-AUX-Converter-/330642872317#vi-content

Glad you got it working. Some say that ARC can be problematic. I prefer to run all HDMI cables from components to my Yamaha A/R and the one out to the TV. Of course if you do this you have to connect an optical cable from the tv to the A/R for audio from the smartv Viera Cast features. I prefer my Roku and seldom use Viera Cast, so I'm unsure of the audio quality via the optical cable.
I have yet to confirm what the audio signal is from the tv via optical, is it 5.1?
post #5773 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ticmxman View Post

Glad you got it working. Some say that ARC can be problematic. I prefer to run all HDMI cables from components to my Yamaha A/R and the one out to the TV. Of course if you do this you have to connect an optical cable from the tv to the A/R for audio from the smartv Viera Cast features. I prefer my Roku and seldom use Viera Cast, so I'm unsure of the audio quality via the optical cable.
I have yet to confirm what the audio signal is from the tv via optical, is it 5.1?
Yes. 5.1 from the tv via optical cable to receiver.
post #5774 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Yes. 5.1 from the tv via optical cable to receiver.

Great, thanks. I think I recall reading that some sets only output 2.0. It is certainly good to hear that is not the case with the S10
post #5775 of 9972
Just got my first plasma tv, a panasonic st50. Is it typical to get fuzzy outlines on certain/all images? Some images depending on the channel and whether it's a commercial, music vid, tv show, etc will look supersharp almost led quality yet at other images will be soft and that annoying slight fuzzy outline. Typical of plasma's in general? Am I sitting too close? I am approx. 8-9 ft away from 50" panny. Thanx for any suggestions...
post #5776 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Just got my first plasma tv, a panasonic st50. Is it typical to get fuzzy outlines on certain/all images? Some images depending on the channel and whether it's a commercial, music vid, tv show, etc will look supersharp almost led quality yet at other images will be soft and that annoying slight fuzzy outline. Typical of plasma's in general? Am I sitting too close? I am approx. 8-9 ft away from 50" panny. Thanx for any suggestions...

Keep in mind garbage in garbage out saying if the quality of the source is below par the ST will show all of its faults and the bigger the screen the uglier it gets and by the same the better the source the beauty really shines.
post #5777 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Just got my first plasma tv, a panasonic st50. Is it typical to get fuzzy outlines on certain/all images? Some images depending on the channel and whether it's a commercial, music vid, tv show, etc will look supersharp almost led quality yet at other images will be soft and that annoying slight fuzzy outline. Typical of plasma's in general? Am I sitting too close? I am approx. 8-9 ft away from 50" panny. Thanx for any suggestions...

Whats the resolution of the source material, 720p or 1080i ? If 1080i make sure "3:2 pulldown" is set to "on" the "auto" setting doesnt work correctly.
post #5778 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

Whats the resolution of the source material, 720p or 1080i ? If 1080i make sure "3:2 pulldown" is set to "on" the "auto" setting doesnt work correctly.

You're right. On 1080i sources, the fuzzy lines minimizes. Sharper images. Other sources still crap, lol.

For aspect image adjustment, do most people here have it set on HD size - 2?

thanx.
post #5779 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

You're right. On 1080i sources, the fuzzy lines minimizes. Sharper images. Other sources still crap, lol.
For aspect image adjustment, do most people here have it set on HD size - 2?
thanx.

I use HD Size of 2 on my ST30 from last year, only use 1080i res on my stb. How many hours on your set ? Plasmas get better as they age.
post #5780 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

I use HD Size of 2 on my ST30 from last year, only use 1080i res on my stb. How many hours on your set ? Plasmas get better as they age.

Just got my set 2 days ago! lol. Lucky if I have 6-7hrs on it. wink.gif
post #5781 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Just got my set 2 days ago! lol. Lucky if I have 6-7hrs on it. wink.gif

Patience my friend smile.gif What picture mode and settings are you using ?
post #5782 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rudds View Post

Well, it's not that I'd hope to find another set with analog outs so much as one that would at least let me tweak enough settings to use a converter. Maybe that box needs to go back to Monoprice, too. Seems like I've got a lot of customer service to deal with in the near future. frown.gif

Other than from the set's own tuner there aren't any settings to tweak on a digital optical out. If you have a problem it's with that converter. Digital optical out gives no problems when connected to a receiver with digital optical in. using the set's own tuner you may be able to make the optical output downconvert 5.1 to 2.0 from channels that broadcast in 5.1, that's it, there are no level adjustments. Samsung and LG have also done away with analog audio out. Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and update obsolete equipment instead of patching it with converters and such.

Another solution is to run analog audio out from your source devices directly to your receiver.
post #5783 of 9972
Is there any best way to setup for first use? Never owned a plasma before and worried about burn in from sports on directv and video games. I read somewhere about having it on for a certain amount of time before actually watching anything. Is this true? My last and only tv is a 3 year old 42" sharp lcd that's still going strong but I am upgrading to this for quality picture and a 65" screen! Loved the sharp viewing quality actually, will this st50 make me spoiled now?

Also looking for the best settings for: 1. PS3 video games, 2. bluray movies on PS3, sports from directv

All this is coming from a Pioneer VSX-1027k receiver through HDMI, no audio on the tv.
post #5784 of 9972
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Originally Posted by indianlegend83 View Post

Quick question -- how does this tv handle glare and reflection. I am looking for buy this for my living room and we have big french windows and get a lot of bright light.. would this tv still be a good buy given the situation?

The anit glare feature works well when viewing straight on. I've noticed when viewing at an angle the filter is not very effective.

To me it's not a big deal because if I'm viewing at an angle, in the middle of the day, I'm probably not doing any sort of critical viewing anyhow.

Cheers,
DAn
post #5785 of 9972
The 2nd HDMI input works on my Sony A/V receiver so I can plug other items like a Blu Ray player into the A/V receiver and just the one output (HDMI) from the receiver gets plugged into the tv.

But I have a weird issue when using Viera. I'll explain. I can select to watch the Internet, like something on Youtube or use the browser, (crude until I get a keyboard) but when I try to go back to the tv it sometimes acts weird. Last night I double checked that I returned from a YouTube session and clicked on selection in the middle window to return to the TV. which it did. Well this morning I turned the tv on to catch the news and all that I saw was a toal gray screen that said "click any key to return to tv". Odd since the set was shutdown with it playing tv mode and the NBC channel takingup the whole screen.

So I clicked "any key" and nothing happened. I could hear the audio of the Today show playing, but no video. So I pressed a few different "keys" on the Panasonic remote, nothing happened. To get back to the TV I had to click my cable box remote. Weird. I have to downgrade Panasonic support. So far I called twice on annoying issues like this. Neither time could they provide any answer. With the orignal problem no audio when playing a file off my computer the Panasonic tech suggested it was my Sony A/V receiver causing the problem and to call them. No, it was not having my only input into the TV using HDMI input #1 and not #2, in spite of me asking if it made a difference as long as I could hear my audio playing through my home theater speakers while watching tv. On this gray screen issue tech, had no idea was the problem was. wink.gif
post #5786 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Just got my first plasma tv, a panasonic st50. Is it typical to get fuzzy outlines on certain/all images? Some images depending on the channel and whether it's a commercial, music vid, tv show, etc will look supersharp almost led quality yet at other images will be soft and that annoying slight fuzzy outline. Typical of plasma's in general? Am I sitting too close? I am approx. 8-9 ft away from 50" panny. Thanx for any suggestions...

That's about how far I sit and the images are razor sharp. I would check the setting of your sharpeness control, turn it lower, even down to 0 if most of what you watch is in HD. If you still watch a lot of SD content you might want to fiddle a bit with sharpness, maybe a 20-30 setting, for sure not much more than that which can add distortion. You shouldn't get outlines or fuzzy anything. Check by playing a known quality souce such as from a DVD, better, a blue ray player and see if the problem goes away. Could also be you have contrast set to high.

If you only see this on some channels I might also suspect the source, ie cable box, maybe your cable is defective, loose, etc..
post #5787 of 9972
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Originally Posted by 413X3 View Post

Is there any best way to setup for first use? Never owned a plasma before and worried about burn in from sports on directv and video games. I read somewhere about having it on for a certain amount of time before actually watching anything. Is this true? My last and only tv is a 3 year old 42" sharp lcd that's still going strong but I am upgrading to this for quality picture and a 65" screen! Loved the sharp viewing quality actually, will this st50 make me spoiled now?
Also looking for the best settings for: 1. PS3 video games, 2. bluray movies on PS3, sports from directv
All this is coming from a Pioneer VSX-1027k receiver through HDMI, no audio on the tv.

Well I'm going on my 8th year of having one plasma or another and from where I sit all the "horror stories" others seem to have I never have experienced. I've never experienced burn-in, hum or the set getting "hot" in spire of it running 12-14 hours a day sometimes (somebody in the house is always watching) or leaves it on when they're not. grrr... As far as using "cards" or other silly things it is totally and completely unnecessary in my opinion. The only thing I would avoid is watching a lot of 4/3 material that causes black bars or anything that has a large logo or network sign or anything like a channel that constantly crawls stock prices or things like that for the first few weeks just to error on the cautious side.
post #5788 of 9972
I have a question and hope to get an answer to give me some piece of mind. In early August I went to the local electronics store to purchase a 50 inch ST50. When they told me all they had left was an open box (returned one) with a march build date I said I would order a new one instead. Well they told me 4 days to get it in, then another week and finally they said it will take six weeks to get a new one. So they dropped off the open box one as a loaner. My initial impressions were mixed as I didn't think the picture quality was leaps and bounds better then my 4 year old Panny PX80 but after a few weeks it seemed like the PQ had improved significantly (I put about 30 hours on it) Now, a few days ago the new one arrived (with a July build date), the old one gone back; it seems that the PQ is not all that great again especially in darker scenes. Theres some poor shading and some picture noise (this is with satellie tv). SO my question is, should my picture quality improve as I start to put a few more hours on it like the loaner i had before? Is that generally a characteristic of plasmas? I just hope that I didn't end up with a dud as the PQ at this moment doesn't seem to be mind blowing. Thanks in advance.
post #5789 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Fordman76 View Post

I have a question...... should my picture quality improve as I start to put a few more hours on it like the loaner i had before? Is that generally a characteristic of plasmas? I just hope that I didn't end up with a dud as the PQ at this moment doesn't seem to be mind blowing. Thanks in advance.

Based upon our experience with several 2011, and 1 2012, Pan plasmas, would expect overall PQ to improve as the panel ages - probably out to around the 500 hour mark, and perhaps a bit beyond.

This is one argument in favor of a reasonably rapid "new panel aging routine" - get things settled in somewhat before paying for a calibration (if you will go that route), and / or hope to discover any Infant Mortality problems while still in the return period (assuming one applies).
post #5790 of 9972
My experience was similar with one of the big retailers. First they said they had the ST50 (a 65 inch) in stock. That meant not in stock in the store but in their warehouse which ironically is just 7 miles down the street. It was a Saturday and I couldn't pick it up directly. That plus the fact it was $300 more then adding another $270 tax is was a no brainer, I ordered from Amazon, they have a warehouse about 200 miles away and I got it in a couple days. Retailers better wise up or the brick and mortar stores are going to be a thing of the past soon. The build date on the ST50 I got was July.

I've had the set on roughly 40 hours so far maybe 50 and because I've fiddled with setting a bit almost every day, aside from being "better" I can't tell if that's the result of my fiddling or that the set has aged in a bit. Probably the former. For sure the picture out of the box is dull and dark in standard mode and I obviously changed to custom mode and the picture is vastly better, brighter and very crisp especially for live 1080i broadcasts. Check you cable box, most newer ones show if the channel is in 720p, 1080i, whatever.

Where do you have your gamma setting at? It should be either 2.0 or 2.2. Brightness which actually controls black levels should be between 56-60 while contrast that sets white level can be pushed to around 70 or so. If picture still seems a bit dark for your tastes try bumping up the high levels from the pro sub menu just a bit. I bumped W/B high red to 6, the high blue to 4 and the low Red to 4. These adjustments are highly subjective, depend also on the type of things you watch on tv, ambient lighting and also vary set to set. They're rough adjustments without strict calibration.

One thing I did yesterday was tune into a CSpan, they had several Congressman babbling about one thing or another and one guy had a big poster with a pie and bar chart to his left and behind him . One thing that impressed me was with a bit of tweaking I was able to read the years on the bars very clearly after just messing with sharpness a bit an also tweaking contrast. That's impressive considering the sub heading weren't large and I guess maybe 15-20 point text. The point being be able to read those clearly and also almost be able the read what was printed on the piece of paper he was waving around was pretty darn good.
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