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post #5911 of 9972
Any reason to believe that an st50 with a July build date would be any better in terms of IR than one built in March?
post #5912 of 9972
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

[=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAINiwq-Us ]
Ok, I had to use my iPad,for the video, so it is not the best, sorry. For whatever reason my HD camcorder came up lame this weekend.
Take a look and tell me what you think. Like I said I have not had any problems with lag and I never play in game mode.

Cool man, thanks for the video.

It was hard to tell from the video but I'm assuming you went from non-game mode to game mode to non-game mode? To me it seemed like there was a somewhat noticeable lag difference between the 1st and 2nd one, then it got worse again in the 3rd one. Do you play in the actual game mode?

FWIW, I made a video myself tonight of my DLP and the Evo Monitor. I don't know the DLP actual numbers, but the Evo Monitor is supposedly 8.5ms of input lag.

And yes I know in the video I said 8.5ms of lag, then 8.5 frames, but it was a long day of football and beer so I screwed up so bear with me!

Anyways, here are my 2 comparison videos.

DLP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=963Uc7ofF3M
Evo Monitor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLF18s0_cUw

I don't have any of the modern shooters so I couldn't do a video of those. All I had was COD2 heh, and it didn't show the difference very much, which I thought was odd. I could post those videos too if you want, but it seemed like with COD2 there was virtually 0 lag with either of the displays.

These are hooked HDMI to both.
post #5913 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Fordman76 View Post

Any reason to believe that an st50 with a July build date would be any better in terms of IR than one built in March?
No reason at all, seems to be a hit or miss thing from all the posts i've read so far. I have a February build and ( Cross legs, cross fingers and knock wood) have had zero IR so far (about 170 hrs so far). Did D-Nice's panel prep in a little over 4 days, then used his settings, though others that didn't prep the panel have had no problems either and some have.

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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Just wondering...is the following common of all plasma's or just mine??
I noticed when I watch pro sports - mainly nfl - when the channel source is 1080i/HD channel output/and source is HD and the camera pans across the field at a fast moving player, football, etc. the image outlines get fuzzy. Then once the camera stops panning at said fast object, the fuzzy appearance stops and everything is clear HD image that pops out at you once again. Why does this happen? Is it my tv (Panny 50 ST 50) suffering a fault or do all plasma's do this?? Is it the HD broadcasting signal is not clear during these ocurrences??? Yet any lettering, logo, stats, etc onscreen is still perfect HD quality at the same time. Never had this happen even on the old CRT tv or led. Thots anyone? Yet when I watch a similar game saved via dvr, it doesnt happen - only when the game is a live broadcast. Hmmm.
I got my TV about 2 weeks ago and did the prep from D-nice then used his settings last Sunday. I then turn the TV to CBSHD from Charter here in western Mass to watch the Denver game and saw all the same fuzziness that you did. Tried everything i could think off including changing hdmi cables with no change, the funny thing was the commercials looked great. Then i watch the sunday night game on NBCHD and was blown away with the great picture. So that tells me that my area CBS affiliate probably did a ****** job of compressing the signal from the Denver area. This week i watch the Patriot game on CBSHD and though the picture was better it wasn't great, maybe because Buffalo is closer than Denver that explains the slightly better PQ, LOL.
post #5914 of 9972
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Originally Posted by toolman4243 View Post

I got my TV about 2 weeks ago and did the prep from D-nice then used his settings last Sunday. I then turn the TV to CBSHD from Charter here in western Mass to watch the Denver game and saw all the same fuzziness that you did. Tried everything i could think off including changing hdmi cables with no change, the funny thing was the commercials looked great. Then i watch the sunday night game on NBCHD and was blown away with the great picture. So that tells me that my area CBS affiliate probably did a ****** job of compressing the signal from the Denver area. This week i watch the Patriot game on CBSHD and though the picture was better it wasn't great, maybe because Buffalo is closer than Denver that explains the slightly better PQ, LOL.


Ha, same thing with me... The afternoon games sucked PQ but commercials were great. I have a 50 UT50 as well as the ST50. Went and used pathofneo's updated settings via D-Nice on the UT50 in cinema mode, including his sharpness setting. Then Bingo! It magically disappears. Now everything is sharp and pops out. But I agree.. has partly to do with the sucky transmission signal as the NBC Phili/Giants game just now looked great. No motion blur or fuzziness during fast panning shots.
Edited by aznnorth - 9/30/12 at 10:11pm
post #5915 of 9972
The lag on bf3 ESP on game mode looked great. You to so consider bf3 has input lag itself in the game and how it controls
post #5916 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Fordman76 View Post

Any reason to believe that an st50 with a July build date would be any better in terms of IR than one built in March?
No.
post #5917 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Ha, same thing with me... The afternoon games sucked PQ but commercials were great. I have a 50 UT50 as well as the ST50. Went and used pathofneo's updated settings via D-Nice on the UT50 in cinema mode, including his sharpness setting. Then Bingo! It magically disappears. Now everything is sharp and pops out. But I agree.. has partly to do with the sucky transmission signal as the NBC Phili/Giants game just now looked great. No motion blur or fuzziness during fast panning shots.
CBS HD seems to be a common complaint on the ST50.
post #5918 of 9972
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Cool man, thanks for the video.
It was hard to tell from the video but I'm assuming you went from non-game mode to game mode to non-game mode? To me it seemed like there was a somewhat noticeable lag difference between the 1st and 2nd one, then it got worse again in the 3rd one. Do you play in the actual game mode?
FWIW, I made a video myself tonight of my DLP and the Evo Monitor. I don't know the DLP actual numbers, but the Evo Monitor is supposedly 8.5ms of input lag.
And yes I know in the video I said 8.5ms of lag, then 8.5 frames, but it was a long day of football and beer so I screwed up so bear with me!
Anyways, here are my 2 comparison videos.
DLP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=963Uc7ofF3M
Evo Monitor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLF18s0_cUw
I don't have any of the modern shooters so I couldn't do a video of those. All I had was COD2 heh, and it didn't show the difference very much, which I thought was odd. I could post those videos too if you want, but it seemed like with COD2 there was virtually 0 lag with either of the displays.
These are hooked HDMI to both.

Yes, custom mode to game mode to custom mode. I never use the game mode. That is probably why all the settings are jacked up with contrast at a 100, etc.

My lighting was really low as well. I may try and reshoot it. I thought of more things as well. I have the ps3 running through my onkyo receiver which is up scaling everything to 1080P, so I am sure that is introducing some amount of lag from the processing.

As I said, I don't experience a lot of problems gaming multiplayer, or I have just gotten extremely used to it. Watching football on it yesterday was extremely enjoyable though and it was either getting a better input signal from the PS3 Sunday Ticket stream or the tv is truly getting better with time.
post #5919 of 9972
We were house/cat sitting yesterday at my daughters. They have Direct tv and a 50GT30 and 65VT30. We watched the Chiefs game on CBShd so to test I also recorded the game on Uverse at my house to view on a 54G10 ans 50ST30.

I saw heavy macroblocking on all the tv's and the uverse was just slightly worse. I see this when a players head is in full view and the stands are in the background while the camera is doing a fast pan. When I paused the uverse dvr I can still see the artifacts. Our Mediacom cable was also comparable.

This is a consistently occurring CBS problem when watching their sports programming of either NFL or Supercross and with the Direct tv result, location is not the issue. I never see this on NBC or NBCSP or Speed so it's just a limited bandwidth feed they use. Just thought I'd chime in with what I saw if that helps anybody.
post #5920 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

The lag on bf3 ESP on game mode looked great. You to so consider bf3 has input lag itself in the game and how it controls

Yea I wish I had BF3 so I could compare it directly to that video he posted. However I don't.

I had the beta back before it was out but deleted it.

Anyone know if there is a demo? If there is I could grab it tonight and reshoot the videos with the demo so it would help the comparison.
post #5921 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Just wondering...is the following common of all plasma's or just mine??
I noticed when I watch pro sports - mainly nfl - when the channel source is 1080i/HD channel output/and source is HD and the camera pans across the field at a fast moving player, football, etc. the image outlines get fuzzy. Then once the camera stops panning at said fast object, the fuzzy appearance stops and everything is clear HD image that pops out at you once again. Why does this happen? Is it my tv (Panny 50 ST 50) suffering a fault or do all plasma's do this?? Is it the HD broadcasting signal is not clear during these ocurrences??? Yet any lettering, logo, stats, etc onscreen is still perfect HD quality at the same time. Never had this happen even on the old CRT tv or led. Thots anyone? Yet when I watch a similar game saved via dvr, it doesnt happen - only when the game is a live broadcast. Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

In general, theory anyway, a properly calibrated plasma should not have any motion bluring issues, ever, simply because they run rings around any LCD/LED refresh screen wise, with the typical modern plasma capable of turning the indvidual pixels off and on up to a 1,000 times a second. No, you shouldn't see motion blur. How high is your sharpness set to?

Hmm, I've never heard of that before. I have a GT50 and for football games or any sporting event with high motion I make sure to turn on the Motion reducer in settings and it works perfectly. If it's turned off you'll get motion blur. I just keep that setting to on in Custom for my football games. There's a low, medium and strong setting depending on how fast the motion of the broadcast is.
post #5922 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Hmm, I've never heard of that before. I have a GT50 and for football games or any sporting event with high motion I make sure to turn on the Motion reducer in settings and it works perfectly. If it's turned off you'll get motion blur. I just keep that setting to on in Custom for my football games. There's a low, medium and strong setting depending on how fast the motion of the broadcast is.

i may sound ignorant here but help me understand...please

i thought motin blur was an LCD/LED issue only. So, why do plasma pamels have (or need) Motion Reducer?
post #5923 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Hmm, I've never heard of that before. I have a GT50 and for football games or any sporting event with high motion I make sure to turn on the Motion reducer in settings and it works perfectly. If it's turned off you'll get motion blur. I just keep that setting to on in Custom for my football games. There's a low, medium and strong setting depending on how fast the motion of the broadcast is.

which setting are you using.
BTW CBSHD is the absolute worst picture during football games
post #5924 of 9972
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

[=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDAINiwq-Us ]
Ok, I had to use my iPad,for the video, so it is not the best, sorry. For whatever reason my HD camcorder came up lame this weekend.
Take a look and tell me what you think. Like I said I have not had any problems with lag and I never play in game mode.

I´ve been reading this thread all the weekend and thanks to everyone, it was very helpfull smile.gif
Thanks for the video btinindy, i had make the order of mine 42ST50 yesterday, when it arrives i will make a video showing the behavior to biggrin.gif
post #5925 of 9972
I tried looking for thread with optimum settings and where to get break in program, anyone can post links to settings and breaking program
post #5926 of 9972
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MeGustaFL View Post

I tried looking for thread with optimum settings and where to get break in program, anyone can post links to settings and breaking program

See post #2 in this thread.
post #5927 of 9972
Bought the 55ST50 this past Friday and used the heck out of it all weekend.

Words cannot describe how awesome the display is.

I can speak to input lag: I use my TV as my PC monitor. My previous display was a ~7 year old Sammy DLP with a VGA connector. I saw 32ms of input lag with Game Mode on that DLP (using camera method).
The Panny has 16ms input lag using Game Mode. This was demonstrable - again, using the camera method (Canon DSLR) - over many pictures taken. Also, I was able to dial in the picture quality on Game Mode to VERY close to my Custom setup using the AVSHD709 disk.

As for Image Retention (IR): I was worried after reading comparisons with the Sammy E6500 (my alternate choice), and general complaints on these boards and others. I haven't experienced any at all. I've used my PC for hours, played games for hours, and the IR just isn't there. Perhaps I got a lucky panel on mine.

Also, I want to thank all of those who put up their custom settings. It certainly helps to learn what all the controls do. Eventually I got awesome settings using the AVSHD709 disk.

On the topic of 3D.. many people say it's a gimmick, but it is actually kinda cool. Avatar, The Avengers, Captain America all had some interesting differences with the added depth. These were played from my PC via mkv files. So that works perfectly on that end.
post #5928 of 9972
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Originally Posted by GatorRican View Post

i may sound ignorant here but help me understand...please
i thought motin blur was an LCD/LED issue only. So, why do plasma pamels have (or need) Motion Reducer?

Oh no worries, it's a fair question. Plasma has the same issues with Motion Blur. In stores you'll see LCD/LED advertised with their motion refresh rates at 120/240Hz. Plasma is advertised at 600Hz, but Plasma's motion refresh rate is generally advertised as "Sub Field Motion" which can throw people off but you still have to turn it on as it's not a desired feature for standard movie watching. While Plasma generally offers the fastest refresh rates over any LCD/LED it's not always turned on by default as it is when you buy an LCD/LED TV which is why many LCD/LED owners complain of the Soap Opera Effect. So yes, you can choose to turn it on depending on what setting you are using as it can be grayed out as you see in the picture I attached. So go into the Picture Settings-Advanced Picture and turn on the Motion Smoother. You'll need to set it to your desired strength.
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Originally Posted by sethmp View Post

which setting are you using.
BTW CBSHD is the absolute worst picture during football games

I usually set mine to medium for football. Plasma's refresh rate is so high I have found no need to crank it up to strong.
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post #5929 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Oh no worries, it's a fair question. Plasma has the same issues with Motion Blur. In stores you'll see LCD/LED advertised with their motion refresh rates at 120/240Hz. Plasma is advertised at 600Hz, but Plasma's motion refresh rate is generally advertised as "Sub Field Motion" which can throw people off but you still have to turn it on as it's not a desired feature for standard movie watching. While Plasma generally offers the fastest refresh rates over any LCD/LED it's not always turned on by default as it is when you buy an LCD/LED TV which is why many LCD/LED owners complain of the Soap Opera Effect. So yes, you can choose to turn it on depending on what setting you are using as it can be grayed out as you see in the picture I attached. So go into the Picture Settings-Advanced Picture and turn on the Motion Smoother. You'll need to set it to your desired strength.
I usually set mine to medium for football. Plasma's refresh rate is so high I have found no need to crank it up to strong.
100_0730.JPG 500k .JPG file

Can you or anyone else post some pics of the tv in action?
Thx
post #5930 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gregh77 View Post

Can you or anyone else post some pics of the tv in action?
Thx

The problem posting TV's picture is most computer screens cannot show how well the new screens are especially the black levels.
post #5931 of 9972
So I spent a few minutes yesterday looking at my Satellite guide and PVR menu yesterday and then noticed on a bright screen the word Bell nicely retained in the top left corner of my screen. Took almost 3 hours to remove a logo that was only there for a few minutes. Is this normal after about 40 hours on the set? I am using custom mode and have my contrast set a 70 and my brightness at 50, gamma at 2.4. Are these settings ok for break in?
post #5932 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Oh no worries, it's a fair question. Plasma has the same issues with Motion Blur. In stores you'll see LCD/LED advertised with their motion refresh rates at 120/240Hz. Plasma is advertised at 600Hz, but Plasma's motion refresh rate is generally advertised as "Sub Field Motion" which can throw people off but you still have to turn it on as it's not a desired feature for standard movie watching. While Plasma generally offers the fastest refresh rates over any LCD/LED it's not always turned on by default as it is when you buy an LCD/LED TV which is why many LCD/LED owners complain of the Soap Opera Effect. So yes, you can choose to turn it on depending on what setting you are using as it can be grayed out as you see in the picture I attached. So go into the Picture Settings-Advanced Picture and turn on the Motion Smoother. You'll need to set it to your desired strength.
I usually set mine to medium for football. Plasma's refresh rate is so high I have found no need to crank it up to strong.
100_0730.JPG 500k .JPG file

Ahhh... so that explains it. Thanx.

Question, is there any fault to leaving motion smoother on all the time at say medium? Does it affect PQ when left on when watching non-sporting/non-fast motion events??
post #5933 of 9972
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Originally Posted by aznnorth View Post

Ahhh... so that explains it. Thanx.
Question, is there any fault to leaving motion smoother on all the time at say medium? Does it affect PQ when left on when watching non-sporting/non-fast motion events??
Nope, not at all, it's all about preference. As I was mentioning, the only reason why anyone would want to turn it off is because the Motion Smoother produces the "Soap Opera" effect and it may make standard movie watching look a bit "stiff" and not natural flowing. I've read some people actually love the look of the Motion Smoother on all TV programming.
post #5934 of 9972
What software can i use to play real full hd 3D movie from PC via HDMI? I have bluray disc in .iso file (i don't have a BR player yet) and it's designed for our tv's and shutter glasses (not side-by-side crap, but real 1920x1080 3D). Is VLC media player ok for 3d? What will happen if i have a bad hdmi cable (lower then ver 1.4, because i have some cheap cable which probably isn't 1.4)?
post #5935 of 9972
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Originally Posted by majki84 View Post

What software can i use to play real full hd 3D movie from PC via HDMI? I have bluray disc in .iso file (i don't have a BR player yet) and it's designed for our tv's and shutter glasses (not side-by-side crap, but real 1920x1080 3D). Is VLC media player ok for 3d? What will happen if i have a bad hdmi cable (lower then ver 1.4, because i have some cheap cable which probably isn't 1.4)?

Powerdvd or Arcsoft Totalmedia Theatre
post #5936 of 9972
So I recently got the 65 inch version of this TV and I love it. I bought a Samsung 50 inch Plasma 3D TV back in 2010 and this thing blows it away across the board in Cinema mode. The motion sharpness is really something to be admired, and I love the proper 24p handling that my Samsung lacked (without noticeable black level loss). My only minor complaint is I can't jack up the cell light like I did on the Samsung to make it work in a bright room, but the ST50 is in a dedicated theater room where it shines.

My question:


So I have a Denon 1712 receiver hooked to the TV, that has my custom HTPC and a Directv box as its sources via HDMI. I also plan to hook up my 360 to an additional HDMI port on the TV (and hook it to the receiver via optical) to take advantage of its game mode without that setting ruining the other inputs plugged into the receiver.

From what I understand, not all the HDMI ports are the same on this Panasonic TV- especially the fact that HDMI 3 seems to be different in some way in how its handled.

So what HDMI port on the TV is best for my video sources, and which one is best for my game console?

Thanks.
post #5937 of 9972
Well I just wanted to add in with he IR group. I am returning my 55" ST50 for a Samsung pn51e7000 (cannot afford 60" and bestbuy does not carry e6500).

It is a shame really. I have a march '12 build and image retention has been horrendous on this set. I broke in the TV and have it set up per D's settings. I shared a Samsung plasma with my brother in law last year while we lived together and I never had any long standing IR that would last more than a movies length.

I played borderlands 2 on my new st50 for roughly 6-7hrs (we have had gaming sessions of 15+hrs straight on the Sammy) and I have a horrible case of IR with my health bar, stats/ammo and all that jazz. it is all stuck on the bottom and side of my tv like a ghost that can be seen in a lot of regular TV viewing.. I have ran the TV now for 48hrs straight on the golf channel HD (zoomed close so no static images) and my borderlands game is still on my screen. Thing is I can watch a football game and the scroll will be on my set for several hours after the game and I have never had that with the samsung.

Maybe I just picked a lemon. It is a shame because I LOVE the picture, the size, and the great price but it has not even been 30 days yet (day 25) and I am already having this problem. I feel it is better to be safe than sorry. As for buzzing and all that, I never really notice it much on any plasma set. I love everything about this set but I do not want to fear playing video games and watching sports, the two main reasons I bought this TV..*sigh* I hope the Sammy does better but I hate having to go down in size..(I just had surgery so I am out of work for 12wks..thus putting my finances on hold and needing a TV or I'd go crazy!)
post #5938 of 9972
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Originally Posted by LaRazaUnida View Post

Well I just wanted to add in with he IR group. I am returning my 55" ST50 for a Samsung pn51e7000 (cannot afford 60" and bestbuy does not carry e6500).
It is a shame really. I have a march '12 build and image retention has been horrendous on this set. I broke in the TV and have it set up per D's settings. I shared a Samsung plasma with my brother in law last year while we lived together and I never had any long standing IR that would last more than a movies length.
I played borderlands 2 on my new st50 for roughly 6-7hrs (we have had gaming sessions of 15+hrs straight on the Sammy) and I have a horrible case of IR with my health bar, stats/ammo and all that jazz. it is all stuck on the bottom and side of my tv like a ghost that can be seen in a lot of regular TV viewing.. I have ran the TV now for 48hrs straight on the golf channel HD (zoomed close so no static images) and my borderlands game is still on my screen. Thing is I can watch a football game and the scroll will be on my set for several hours after the game and I have never had that with the samsung.
Maybe I just picked a lemon. It is a shame because I LOVE the picture, the size, and the great price but it has not even been 30 days yet (day 25) and I am already having this problem. I feel it is better to be safe than sorry. As for buzzing and all that, I never really notice it much on any plasma set. I love everything about this set but I do not want to fear playing video games and watching sports, the two main reasons I bought this TV..*sigh* I hope the Sammy does better but I hate having to go down in size..(I just had surgery so I am out of work for 12wks..thus putting my finances on hold and needing a TV or I'd go crazy!)

Understandable that you feel the way you do. IR is an issue with this year's Pannys. Something to keep in mind about the Sammys of 2012, they buzz much louder than the Pannys plus they have issues with fluctuating brightness. If Samsung was the solution everybody would be returning their Panasonics in favor of it. With consumer-level technology unfortunately you have to take the good with the bad.
post #5939 of 9972
Thanks for your response and I agree 100%. I really wish IR was not that big of an issue with me or especially this set because the picture is just outstanding and I love the design of the TV
post #5940 of 9972
Hi Chad,
I can't actually see the settings for the calibrations you got.
are you able to share what picture settings you used to calibrate the ST50 in cinema and custom modes?
Thanks!
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