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post #5941 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Fordman76 View Post

So I spent a few minutes yesterday looking at my Satellite guide and PVR menu yesterday and then noticed on a bright screen the word Bell nicely retained in the top left corner of my screen. Took almost 3 hours to remove a logo that was only there for a few minutes. Is this normal after about 40 hours on the set? I am using custom mode and have my contrast set a 70 and my brightness at 50, gamma at 2.4. Are these settings ok for break in?

Welcome to the wonderful world of ST50 Quick Onset IR. It especially seems to hate DVR menus. My Dish Network menus have a bright white & red logo, and I only need to have it up for a minute or so before I see it right after on normal viewing material. Luckily it goes away very quickly for me with normal viewing. If yours is taking 3 hours to disappear, that sounds like a worse problem. It may get better (or worse) with more hours on the set.

I'm not sure how much contrast/brightness figures into it. I can reduce it to 50/50 and still have a problem. (I have a 60" panel, btw.) It seems to me like a lower gamma (mine is 2.2) has more detrimental IR effect than high contrast/brightness, but my experimenting with that has not been very scientific as of yet.
post #5942 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rwinston View Post

Welcome to the wonderful world of ST50 Quick Onset IR. It especially seems to hate DVR menus. My Dish Network menus have a bright white & red logo, and I only need to have it up for a minute or so before I see it right after on normal viewing material. Luckily it goes away very quickly for me with normal viewing. If yours is taking 3 hours to disappear, that sounds like a worse problem. It may get better (or worse) with more hours on the set.
I'm not sure how much contrast/brightness figures into it. I can reduce it to 50/50 and still have a problem. (I have a 60" panel, btw.) It seems to me like a lower gamma (mine is 2.2) has more detrimental IR effect than high contrast/brightness, but my experimenting with that has not been very scientific as of yet.

No such issue while using menus on my Directv DVR on my 55" ST50 so far at aprox. 200 hours, knock wood. I use custom with brightness - 55, Contrast - 82, gamma -2.6. Strange how some have issues and some do not. Is it just the panel lottery?
post #5943 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Oh no worries, it's a fair question. Plasma has the same issues with Motion Blur. In stores you'll see LCD/LED advertised with their motion refresh rates at 120/240Hz. Plasma is advertised at 600Hz, but Plasma's motion refresh rate is generally advertised as "Sub Field Motion" which can throw people off but you still have to turn it on as it's not a desired feature for standard movie watching. While Plasma generally offers the fastest refresh rates over any LCD/LED it's not always turned on by default as it is when you buy an LCD/LED TV which is why many LCD/LED owners complain of the Soap Opera Effect. So yes, you can choose to turn it on depending on what setting you are using as it can be grayed out as you see in the picture I attached. So go into the Picture Settings-Advanced Picture and turn on the Motion Smoother. You'll need to set it to your desired strength.
I usually set mine to medium for football. Plasma's refresh rate is so high I have found no need to crank it up to strong.
100_0730.JPG 500k .JPG file

This is mostly marketing hype, trying to take advantage of technical differences between how LCD/LED sets and plasma sets work. The hype part is "sub field motion" and other colorful expressions used by different manufacturers. What it really means in they divide the screen real estate into sections then multiply converting that into some artfically high and meaningless number to make it look like the refresh rare is way higher, which it isn't. What those pushing LCD/LED's over plasma don't tell you such said need extra circuits to handle motion blur which duh... is actually what often contributes to making it visible. If you have a plasma and it offers motion smoothing, turn it off. If you have a LCD/LEO depends what you watch, action wise.
post #5944 of 9972
Im getting the 55 in a few weeks, Id like to get the 60 but BB will have to order it,so maybe thats a option as it gets closer. I could not believe the size difference between the two though.
post #5945 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

Im getting the 55 in a few weeks, Id like to get the 60 but BB will have to order it,so maybe thats a option as it gets closer. I could not believe the size difference between the two though.

Yes, I could not fit the 60 within my built in height restriction and I was kind of OK with the 55, but when I saw the two in the store I knew I had to have the 60. So, I had to remove the stand and do a custom structure for mounting it. I have 6/16" clearance on the top and bottom, but it was worth it. Bigger is better!

post #5946 of 9972
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Originally Posted by LaRazaUnida View Post

Well I just wanted to add in with he IR group. I am returning my 55" ST50 for a Samsung pn51e7000 (cannot afford 60" and bestbuy does not carry e6500).
It is a shame really. I have a march '12 build and image retention has been horrendous on this set. I broke in the TV and have it set up per D's settings. I shared a Samsung plasma with my brother in law last year while we lived together and I never had any long standing IR that would last more than a movies length.
I played borderlands 2 on my new st50 for roughly 6-7hrs (we have had gaming sessions of 15+hrs straight on the Sammy) and I have a horrible case of IR with my health bar, stats/ammo and all that jazz. it is all stuck on the bottom and side of my tv like a ghost that can be seen in a lot of regular TV viewing.. I have ran the TV now for 48hrs straight on the golf channel HD (zoomed close so no static images) and my borderlands game is still on my screen. Thing is I can watch a football game and the scroll will be on my set for several hours after the game and I have never had that with the samsung.
Maybe I just picked a lemon. It is a shame because I LOVE the picture, the size, and the great price but it has not even been 30 days yet (day 25) and I am already having this problem. I feel it is better to be safe than sorry. As for buzzing and all that, I never really notice it much on any plasma set. I love everything about this set but I do not want to fear playing video games and watching sports, the two main reasons I bought this TV..*sigh* I hope the Sammy does better but I hate having to go down in size..(I just had surgery so I am out of work for 12wks..thus putting my finances on hold and needing a TV or I'd go crazy!)


just curious if you were using HD size 1 or HD size 2 while playing borderlands 2?
post #5947 of 9972
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Yes, I could not fit the 60 within my built in height restriction and I was kind of OK with the 55, but when I saw the two in the store I knew I had to have the 60. So, I had to remove the stand and do a custom structure for mounting it. I have 6/16" clearance on the top and bottom, but it was worth it. Bigger is better!

FYI From the manual,
● Do not cover the ventilation holes.
Doing so may cause the Plasma TV to overheat, which can cause a fire or damage to the Plasma TV.
● Leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or more at the top, left and right, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear.

I have to admit my rear clearance is slightly less than recomended
Tic
post #5948 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ticmxman View Post

FYI From the manual,
● Do not cover the ventilation holes.
Doing so may cause the Plasma TV to overheat, which can cause a fire or damage to the Plasma TV.
● Leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or more at the top, left and right, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear.
I have to admit my rear clearance is slightly less than recomended
Tic

Thanks for the warning. The TV actually is just "Floating" in the opening so it is open to the back and not covering ventilation. I watched football all weekend from 1PM to the last game Sunday, over at 11PM and there was no heat build up inside the cabinet, so I think it is fine, but thanks for the heads up.

I actually think the stand is too high on the bottom. They should lower it at least an inch or so.
post #5949 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ticmxman View Post

FYI From the manual,
● Do not cover the ventilation holes.
Doing so may cause the Plasma TV to overheat, which can cause a fire or damage to the Plasma TV.
● Leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or more at the top, left and right, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear.
I have to admit my rear clearance is slightly less than recomended
Tic
My 60 gets hot and it is out in the open on an entertainment stand. It would be a good idea to keep an eye on that setup.
post #5950 of 9972
Hey mikediamond, I was using HD size 2 screen format full
post #5951 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ticmxman View Post

FYI From the manual,
● Do not cover the ventilation holes.
Doing so may cause the Plasma TV to overheat, which can cause a fire or damage to the Plasma TV.
● Leave a space of 3 15/16” (10 cm) or more at the top, left and right, and 2 3/4” (7 cm) or more at the rear.
I have to admit my rear clearance is slightly less than recomended
Tic

So it's not recommended to mount these TV's on the wall then?

Also, I am getting ready to place an order over the next couple of days and was not sure whether to purchase from Paul's TV or Amazon.

Does anyone have experience with both? If so which one did you like better? How long are the return periods and is there a restocking fee? I know Paul's TV has white glove delivery, how is the Amazon delivery?

Do either of them take returns on TV's if you do get IR?
Edited by purbeast - 10/3/12 at 7:58am
post #5952 of 9972
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So it's not recommended to mount these TV's on the wall then?
Also, I am getting ready to place an order over the next couple of days and was not sure whether to purchase from Paul's TV or Amazon.
Does anyone have experience with both? If so which one did you like better? How long are the return periods and is there a restocking fee? I know Paul's TV has white glove delivery, how is the Amazon delivery?
Do either of them take returns on TV's if you do get IR?

I also had been thinking of purchasing through Amazon. According to their site, for any TV 48" or larger they offer what they call "Enhanced Delivery". This includes the following:


"We offer FREE Enhanced Delivery through one of our specialty shippers when you purchase most HDTVs 48 inches or larger from Amazon.com. A representative of a common carrier will deliver your TV to any room suitable for testing, unpack it, ensure that it is working properly to guarantee no damage occurred during transportation, and dispose of all packaging material.

Schedule Your Own Delivery Time
For orders that qualify for FREE Enhanced Delivery, most customers can schedule their own delivery day--including weekends--and a two- to four-hour window for delivery (dependent upon zip code). If the service is available for your order, "Scheduled Delivery" will appear on the detail page and as a shipping option during checkout. Simply select a delivery date and time from the carrier's available time slots displayed in the calendar.

Learn more about Scheduled Delivery.

Visual Inspection at Delivery
HDTVs that qualify for Enhanced Delivery will be inspected by the carrier at the point of delivery. This visual inspection is performed as a way to ensure that, if necessary, we can replace a damaged HDTV as quickly as possible. In addition, Amazon will only accept returns that are in new condition, so we highly recommend inspection in order to confirm return eligibility after delivery. If the HDTV displays any physical damage to the screen or casing at delivery, please refuse the delivery and contact Amazon.com Customer Service using the "Contact Us" button on the right of this screen.

If you don't want the condition of your HDTV inspected at delivery, please contact us prior to releasing the carrier. We highly recommend inspection as a way to ensure that, if necessary, we quickly replace a damaged TV as well as confirm its condition for return eligibility after delivery."



Perhaps there is someone with experience who can provide anecdotal evidence to this.
post #5953 of 9972
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Originally Posted by poofyhairguy View Post

From what I understand, not all the HDMI ports are the same on this Panasonic TV- especially the fact that HDMI 3 seems to be different in some way in how its handled.
So what HDMI port on the TV is best for my video sources, and which one is best for my game console?
Thanks.

I wasn't aware of this either. Can anyone elaborate on this at all?

Currently my setup is as follows:

HDMI 1: DirecTV HD box
HDMI 2: PC via Nvidia GTX670
HDMI 3: PS3
All audio is handled via optical or coax to Denon receiver.

Should I change any of the HDMI ports around?
post #5954 of 9972
I have everything running through HDMI2(ARC). I have a sony soundbar(ARC) that everything is running through
post #5955 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

......fREE Enhanced Delivery through one of our specialty shippers when you purchase most HDTVs 48 inches or larger from Amazon.com. A representative of a common carrier will deliver your TV to any room suitable for testing, unpack it, ensure that it is working properly to guarantee no damage occurred during transportation, and dispose of all packaging material.
Schedule Your Own Delivery Time
F........e with experience who can provide anecdotal evidence to this.

Don't dispose of packing material until your 30 day return window is up.
post #5956 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

I also had been thinking of purchasing through Amazon. According to their site, for any TV 48" or larger they offer what they call "Enhanced Delivery". This includes the following:
"We offer FREE Enhanced Delivery through one of our specialty shippers when you purchase most HDTVs 48 inches or larger from Amazon.com. A representative of a common carrier will deliver your TV to any room suitable for testing, unpack it, ensure that it is working properly to guarantee no damage occurred during transportation, and dispose of all packaging material.
Perhaps there is someone with experience who can provide anecdotal evidence to this.

How I got mine, worked for me, but there's a but...

I got a 65 inch (P65ST50) and this puppy is BIG and heavy. I had two "beefy" guys deliver and test it. The whole process was as follows: I got an automated phone call saying they would be there the next day. I'm lucky in that I live in the Chicago Western surburbs and it came from the Amazon warehouse in Indiana, about 200 miles away. Whole process from ordering to delivery was just three days. They showed up within the 4 hour deliver window, one guy rang the bell to be sure I was home, then asked what room I wanted it (limited to going up one flight of stairs if necessary) then he put down carboard to protect floor and carpeting. In a couple minues they were wheeling in the set, plopped in down in the middle of the family room, (where I wanted), they cut off the top half of the carton then leaving the set in the bottom half of the carton, plugged it in, asked me to test the remote, that's it, sign here, bing bang, out the door. Whole process, about five minutes.

They do NOT plug the set into your signal source or wait around for you to do anything like that. The first time the set is plugged in it defaults to a setup page, with text and graphics, show you see more than a blue screen. I thought for about 10 seconds I could cut the rest of the carton then lift the set out myself. Forget it, that was a silly and brief thought. Both because it is big and therefore clumsy to handle and it won't stand by itself not attached to the stand and of course you should never lie any flat screen flat on the floor. You need two people to lift the flat screen out the box, actually a third person to put the four bolts into the tv/stand comes in handy. You first need to assemble the stand (simple). That process took me and the two other guys about another five minutes including lifting the set into place and hooking it up to my cable box, home theater, dvd player, etc..
post #5957 of 9972
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Originally Posted by LaRazaUnida View Post

Thanks for your response and I agree 100%. I really wish IR was not that big of an issue with me or especially this set because the picture is just outstanding and I love the design of the TV

Have you considered trying another Panny before another brand. It seems no one really knows why one panel will experience IR and another will not.

We have over 100 hours on the 55 ST50 with no IR at all and love the PQ on this panel. The Sammy you played on - was that a nerw panel or a seasoned panel with many hours ?
post #5958 of 9972
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Originally Posted by finagle69 View Post

I wasn't aware of this either. Can anyone elaborate on this at all?
Currently my setup is as follows:
HDMI 1: DirecTV HD box
HDMI 2: PC via Nvidia GTX670
HDMI 3: PS3
All audio is handled via optical or coax to Denon receiver.
Should I change any of the HDMI ports around?


This is what I did, (see long winded post of a few days ago. I wanted to go HDMI all the way, but made one giant bone-headed mistake that caused me to waste hours trying to undo it. IF you are going all HDMI AND you plan to use a A/V receiver that supports HDMI, and maybe attach something like a external media player, learn from my mistake. Just because the tv has 3 HDMI inputs doesn't mean you should use them.

1. run a HDMI cable from your A/V receiver's out to the TV's HDMI input #2. This is is designed for ARC and necessary IF you want full Dolby stereo to be played through your home theater for every device.

2. Plug all your devices (like blu ray player, cable box, media player) into your A/V inputs, NOT directly into the TV.

Where I goofed is I first plugged in my cable box and blu ray player into the A/V inputs, then a couple days later i stole the little WD live tv media player from a bedroom, and not thinking and not wanting to crawl around plugging the media player into the A/V player, (like it should be) I just plugged it into an unused HDMI input on the TV... doing that caused all manner of problems, see my earlier post.
post #5959 of 9972
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So it's not recommended to mount these TV's on the wall then?

You can mount it on a wall. Just no closer than 2 3/4".

Though people seem to routinely do this all the time.
post #5960 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

My 60 gets hot and it is out in the open on an entertainment stand. It would be a good idea to keep an eye on that setup.

Hmmm, that is strange. Like I said, I ran my tv for 10 hours straight and when I turned it off there was nothing that I would call "Hot" anywhere on the back of the tv or around the edges.

Do you run a lot of apps that may require processing that may generate additional heat? I have my receiver doing all upscaling etc, so maybe that is why it does not have anything "Hot".
post #5961 of 9972
Has anyone ever bought a TV directly from Panasonic?

They have the ST50 in 60" for $1375 + tax if you click through the EPP link, which is pretty good.

However I have no clue about their return policy in regards to IR or anything, which I know on Amazon is good.
post #5962 of 9972
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

So it's not recommended to mount these TV's on the wall then?
Also, I am getting ready to place an order over the next couple of days and was not sure whether to purchase from Paul's TV or Amazon.
Does anyone have experience with both? If so which one did you like better? How long are the return periods and is there a restocking fee? I know Paul's TV has white glove delivery, how is the Amazon delivery?
Do either of them take returns on TV's if you do get IR?

I used Amazon and have all good things to say about it. I ordered on a Saturday and had it Tuesday (Warehouse is in Indiana, where I live).

Two Gentlemen arrived in a small van to deliver. Brought it in, unboxed it, plugged it in, put the batteries in the remote and helped me look for any issues that the TV might have. I had the thumb drive ready with break-in slides, plugged it in and ran them to look over the screen. While I was looking they started to assemble the stand etc for me. They spoke very good English and were very courteous and patient and were willing to put the TV anywhere that I wanted them to, though I had to do some measuring prior to installing where I wanted it to go.

Though I have had no reason to return this TV, I have purchased items from Amazon in the past that I have had to return. The most memorable was a "Smart" toaster that had great reviews, but I hated it because it took too long to toast. They returned it no questions asked in the first 30 days and even paid the shipping.

Nothing against Pauls at all as I have never used them. It was discouraging to me that they are located so far away from me and all that I could think of was how many more hands it would need to pass over for shipping to me (I have had several bad shipping experiences). I would not hesitate to recommend or buy a large item like this through Amazon. Their customer service is over the top good in my experiences with them.
post #5963 of 9972
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Has anyone ever bought a TV directly from Panasonic?
They have the ST50 in 60" for $1375 + tax if you click through the EPP link, which is pretty good.
However I have no clue about their return policy in regards to IR or anything, which I know on Amazon is good.

I only know what I have read about them, which is that they take longer than typical to process and ship the order and that the service afterwards is not good. I have read that it was difficult for people to get a liver person after the sale was complete.

Again, this is only what I have read and have not had any experience with this first hand. When I was looking at it they were $30 lower than Amazon with tax, so it was worth going with a known good customer service company.
post #5964 of 9972
I'd seriously consider checking out BB. They generally always match the best price you find and deliver, set it up with stand and signal source and test it.
They nalso match the price as many times as you need for 30 days, not just once like Amazon.
post #5965 of 9972
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Has anyone ever bought a TV directly from Panasonic?
They have the ST50 in 60" for $1375 + tax if you click through the EPP link, which is pretty good.
However I have no clue about their return policy in regards to IR or anything, which I know on Amazon is good.
Well price-wise that's pretty good. Got my 55ST50 for $1499 at BB.
post #5966 of 9972
I can grab the 55" ST50 for under $1200 at Panasonic EPP but I'm really not sure I want to. Reading the various issues is seems like the 2012 sets are quite problematic and that scares me. Of course the people with faulty sets are going to be posting more than those who are enjoying them but it seems like a lot of people are having a tough time getting a decent ST50. Perhaps many of these people are first-time plasma owners?




- I know on my 2009 P46U1 I also have the dirty screen effect(DSE) and I can make out faint blurry vertical lines when the picture consists of a mostly solid color like white. The fuzzy lines are spaced about five inches apart and look as though the panel was assembled from smaller ones. I have become use to it though and maybe once a month I notice it during a sky shot.


- The talk of line bleed is not good either. My U1 definitely has line bleed during movie credits but hardly ever during full screen content. Is the ST50 as bad as I have heard in this area?



- I have also experienced image retention. I game quite a bit and regularly play Uncharted and Burnout Paradise and after a few hours of play the on-screen displays are noticeable. A few hours of full screen content usually takes care of it though.
Edited by therealjustin - 10/3/12 at 2:53pm
post #5967 of 9972
As i have stated in the last couple of days, my 50" st50 experienced what most people on here would consider quick onset image retention. As I was looking through my Bell satellite channal guide the other night t o check out some newly added channals, the white lettered Bell logo that had been on my screen for no more than five minutes was now visible in the top left of my screen (mostly during white, yellowish, biegy screens. After about four hours of usage I believe that it is about 95% gone. This is a tv that I had returned back to me (used on loan) after the actual one I ordered seemed to have less than stellar PQ. My current tv is a March build, the one I ordered and returned was a July build date. So right away I started questioning whether the older build dates were more susceptable to ir than newer ones. A few of you suggested that probably wasn't an issue. Others said that maybe just some panels were more immune than others. So I thought about that for awhile. Is there really that big a difference in panels or is it just the way we as individuals perceive this. Think about it, some of us (me include) have been plasma owners for a few years and to see a little ir once in awhile doesn't really bother us too much. Others that may be new to plasma, may see ir and before there is a chance to wait for it to disappear; they pack up the tv and send it back often speaking negatively about the experience. Some people are more picky than others and see the ir as a major issue. With these tvs being rolled of the assembly lines it seems odd to me that there could be so much difference in panels. Yeah you get your duds, vertical lines, blinking lights etc., but is just seems odd to me that there is so many people reporting ir problems while others are are not having problems (seems pretty split to me). We are living in a technological revolution where we expect everything to work and look absolutely perfect. A few years ago when most of us jumped from crt to hdtv weren't so worried about IR. We were just amazed at what hd offered us over the old technology. Now, most people have hdtvs and yes they certainly have improved over the years while are satellites, cable pq hasn't really changed much, I am thinking that we are more picky about about our sets. When we spend over a thousand dollars on a these thing and we want it too work with no flaws. So what I am try to ask with my rant and maybe give myself a little piece of mind ; is my tv really any different than yours? Are you more or less picky than myself? Should I be really concerned that my set experienced quick onset IR (especially considering that I want to game)? Are my settings different then yours which causes IR to be more noticable on my set? I'll admit, seeing that IR bugged the heck out of me. My old PX80 doesn't and never had IR like this. After a 3 hour gaming session with that tv the IR from the static images dissapeared after an hour or two. I would really like to do some more gaming. The folks at the local electronic store where I purchased (they also have onsite repair shop and do warranty repairs) stated that IR wasn't really and issue anymore (although I posed the question if no IR issues then why an anti ir scroll bar) they don't see alot of Pannys returned/repaired and that I should just continue to use the tv as normal and if anymore issues arise, they will take care of me as best they can. Thanks
Edited by Fordman76 - 10/3/12 at 4:03pm
post #5968 of 9972
As I mentioned before I have tons (over 3 TB worth) of home pictures, videos. One reason I got the Panny is it is DLNA certified with the desire to view by pictures and vids on the new big tv. Well it works, sort of. Even just switching to DLNA the set should find Windows Media Center and at least much of what I want is accomplished, but it stumbled on some files, either not being able to generate thumbnails (it works fine on PC) or being not able to play the file even if it does generate thumbnails on some others. WD TV live (a hardware based media player for under $100) seems to have the least trouble.

I tried J River MC, (Media Center) and it too works sort of, but not as it should. So I'm basically asking has anyone been totally successful using DLNA to be able to view common file types and have each generate thumbnails? I'm mainly interested in MPEG-2 and JPEG. If so, what are you using? What is frustrating is I have a Samsung Transformer tablet, I installed Media Center's Gizmo application on it and it does all I want on my tablet, generating screenfuls of beautiful thumbnails from my server on my WiFi network, but while it is suppose to also be able to act as a "remote" device using the tablet to control the TV, so far, no luck. At best it works for a minute or so, then crashes.
post #5969 of 9972
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Originally Posted by LaRazaUnida View Post

Hey mikediamond, I was using HD size 2 screen format full



see if you get less image retention problems with HD size 1, other people have reported that pixel orbiter works in both HD size 1 and 2, but I have gotten less image retention in HD size 1 (in older panasonic plasma models , I think the pixel orbiter only worked in HD size 1)
post #5970 of 9972
Should mention that I am not willing to give up on this tv The PQ is just too good. I thought about Samsung LED but they don't even come close to the st50, even the more expensive 7000 and 8000 series. Don't think there is much better PQ out there for that price point.
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