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post #6031 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

I'm considering buying a 50ST50Y this week, mainly for gaming. I have a Panasonic S20 plasma now where burn-in hasn't been a problem at all in the two years I have owned it. Even when playing retro 4:3 games for several hours straight.
I'm a bit confused about the Pixel Orbiter setting on this new set. My old one doesn't have anything like it, but as I said, burn-in is not a problem. Looking at the manual of the ST50 it looks like I can only choose between Auto and ON for the Pixel Orbiter settings. Does that mean that I can't disable it completely? I'll be using the Game mode if that makes a difference.
I'm not sure I understand the concept of the pixel orbiter, but doesn't it mean that it shifts the picture (or part of) around the screen? if it only moves parts of the image that could make things look weird, and if it moves the whole image that would mean overscan around the edges of the screen?
It's probably a good idea to have enabled during the break-in period, but after that it would really piss me off frown.gif
So is it possible to completely disable Pixel Orbiter in Game mode, and all other modes for that matter?

If you want to you can disable the pixel orbiter in any mode. Why would you want to disable the feature ?
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I'm not sure I understand the concept of the pixel orbiter, but doesn't it mean that it shifts the picture (or part of) around the screen?

No the picture does not shift at all. The pixels shift and you will not even notice any difference in the picture with this feature enabled - at least IMHO.
post #6032 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Konsolkongen View Post

I'm considering buying a 50ST50Y this week, mainly for gaming. I have a Panasonic S20 plasma now where burn-in hasn't been a problem at all in the two years I have owned it. Even when playing retro 4:3 games for several hours straight.
I'm a bit confused about the Pixel Orbiter setting on this new set. My old one doesn't have anything like it, but as I said, burn-in is not a problem. Looking at the manual of the ST50 it looks like I can only choose between Auto and ON for the Pixel Orbiter settings. Does that mean that I can't disable it completely? I'll be using the Game mode if that makes a difference.
I'm not sure I understand the concept of the pixel orbiter, but doesn't it mean that it shifts the picture (or part of) around the screen? if it only moves parts of the image that could make things look weird, and if it moves the whole image that would mean overscan around the edges of the screen?
It's probably a good idea to have enabled during the break-in period, but after that it would really piss me off frown.gif
So is it possible to completely disable Pixel Orbiter in Game mode, and all other modes for that matter?
Dont know. Is that European? My NA 60ST 50 has enable and disable for PO.
post #6033 of 9468
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Originally Posted by mikediamond View Post

I installed the new update 2 days ago, not sure how old it is tho, how did you disable the ad when you turn on the TV? maybe that will disable these volume control ads too
Must be somewhat new, as I just noticed the same thing today. After an update of course…
So how does one disable the ads?
post #6034 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Dont know. Is that European? My NA 60ST 50 has enable and disable for PO.

Yes Scandinavian I think. I checked the manual for the UK model as well and it also only had Auto and ON settings.
post #6035 of 9468
Hi everyone,
New to plasma, but highly considering purchasing the 50" ST50 model. I was wondering what the best way to break the tv in is? If I didn't want to run slides, can I just watch blu ray movies and stay away from gaming and black bar channels for the first 100 hours or so? If I were to do the break in slides, do I download those onto a USB and insert that into the tv? Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I want to make sure I do this right and properly get my set to look its best. I apologize if this topic has been discussed before, like I said, I'm new to the plasmas.
Thanks!
post #6036 of 9468
I just got my 60" st50, and it is amazing, but have one little issue. I got the WOW calibration disk, and when I do the contrast calibration, 100 on the contrast meter is not high enough to get to the ideal setting based on the calibration pattern. Is this an issue with the WOW disk calibration pattern, or am I maybe doing something wrong?
post #6037 of 9468
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Originally Posted by dwright5 View Post

Hi everyone,
New to plasma, but highly considering purchasing the 50" ST50 model. I was wondering what the best way to break the tv in is? If I didn't want to run slides, can I just watch blu ray movies and stay away from gaming and black bar channels for the first 100 hours or so? If I were to do the break in slides, do I download those onto a USB and insert that into the tv? Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I want to make sure I do this right and properly get my set to look its best. I apologize if this topic has been discussed before, like I said, I'm new to the plasmas.
Thanks!
Check out the FAQ on page 3 here.
post #6038 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Check out the FAQ on page 3 here.

Bond 007, I am not sure if you meant to put a link in there or not.

I was also curious as to the break-in process and procedures. So, I went to Plasma Flat Panel Displays - Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only and clicked on the link in the first post which leads to a post by Evangelo2 which has a link to a break-in DVD. In Evangelo's post he mentions that there are two methods or schools of thought for what settings to use when running the break-in DVD, one being low brightness and contrast and the other method being "Torch Mode". I would like to err on the side of caution and use the low brightness & contrast method. But, can anybody quantify what "low" is?

Thanks!
post #6039 of 9468
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

Bond 007, I am not sure if you meant to put a link in there or not.
I was also curious as to the break-in process and procedures. So, I went to Plasma Flat Panel Displays - Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only and clicked on the link in the first post which leads to a post by Evangelo2 which has a link to a break-in DVD. In Evangelo's post he mentions that there are two methods or schools of thought for what settings to use when running the break-in DVD, one being low brightness and contrast and the other method being "Torch Mode". I would like to err on the side of caution and use the low brightness & contrast method. But, can anybody quantify what "low" is?
Thanks!
Refer to FAQ on page 3 of this forum.
post #6040 of 9468
Hello guys,

just joined in as a new proud owner of a TX-P50ST50E. Im setting it up today, i would like some links or advice's on how to calibrate this nice plasma TV.
Im using it for Movies and Soccer.

Image Settings that and special attentions on the first 100 hours of viewing. What do expect or any other detail.

I cant read 200 pages, that´s why im asking. Or just get me a link for a good post in these 200 pages, i will advance from there.

Thank you dear Sirs, you guys rock
Edited by grik - 10/8/12 at 9:39am
post #6041 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Refer to FAQ on page 3 of this forum.

I too don't see any FAQ on page 3 of this forum.

Link to page 3 of this forum - http://www.avsforum.com/f/167/plasma-flat-panel-displays/100

So I must be blind too.
post #6042 of 9468
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

I too don't see any FAQ on page 3 of this forum.
Link to page 3 of this forum - http://www.avsforum.com/f/167/plasma-flat-panel-displays/100
So I must be blind too.
Sorry. ST50 forum but wrong website. I would post the website but AVS will block it.
post #6043 of 9468
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Originally Posted by grik View Post

Hello guys,
just joined in as a new proud owner of a TX-P50ST50E. Im setting it up today, i would like some links or advice's on how to calibrate this nice plasma TV.
Im using it for Movies and Soccer.
Image Settings that and special attentions on the first 100 hours of viewing. What do expect or any other detail.
I cant read 200 pages, that´s why im asking. Or just get me a link for a good post in these 200 pages, i will advance from there.
Thank you dear Sirs, you guys rock

Here's my common sense non technical tips on calibration. If you are going to invest in a so-called "professional" calibration that costs between $250-600 depending who does it and where you live, WAIT till the set as at least 200 hours of use on it. Same applies if you try any of the several do it yourself DVD calibration disks.The big question is do you really need to do either method? Short answer: Depends on how good you results are doing the following. What follows is a non technical non instrutment method that should get your tv close to idea viewing settingx. Try the following in the ambient room lighting you normally watch tv. First let the set warm up for a good 30 minutes, Go to Custom mode. If you've already fiddled, you may want to reset to default factory settings first. In any case take a few minutes to write down the current settings you have, so if necessary you can reset them.

From custom mode go to advanced setting, page #2, then click on pro settings, and keep going until you find Gamma. Set to either 2.0 or 2.2. Gamma effects overall 'preceived' brightness as viewed by the human eye. This control also impacts overall black and white levels which should be set next. First, even since television caught on in the late 1940's two common controls have often been mislabled, resulting in much confussion and improper use by end users trying to adjust the picture. These are brightness and contrast.

Try to think of CONTRAST as the control that sets the WHITE LEVEL, (the brightness of whites) and thus it, not the brightness control determines how "bright" your picture will be. This control gives you a good deal of "wiggle room" in that you can safely bump it up quite a bit without messing things up too much. The ideal setting (without instruments) would be when whites are bright, but just a touch below where they tend to bleed out and lack any detail. A good test is just watch the refs in a US football game in close up shot of them giving calls. The whitness of the uniform should appear bright white but not to the point they almost become neon.

Next set the BLACK LEVEL. Right, that's the proper name for the Brightness control because that's what it really does, determine how black the blacks are which the ST50 series does probably better than any set except perhaps for the very expensive ultra high end LED's. One quick way to set black level without instruements or any dedicated calibration DVD is to just search Google (set to search just images) and find what's called "pluge pattern charts". There a whole bunch to pick from. This assumes you have a PC with a DVD or Blue Ray burner and what to "burn" your own custom calibration disk. For a jet black real world image, I suggest downloading NASA's "moon crater 302" or such similar photo. I just checked its RGB values in Photoshop and while the sky isn't R-0,G-0,B-0 every pixel in the sky background, it is mostly within the single digit range. If you want a ballpark figure the blackness settings should probably fall somewhere between 56-63. The Contrast setting proably should fall within the range of the high 50's up to 85, which is a pretty wide range.

If you use one of the pluge charts many have multiple bars, some at the extreme end are "super black" or as silly as it sounds blacker than black. Yes, the opposite is also true there is a super white, which is whiter than white. The idea is you should set black level to the point the two to three darkest bars just start to merge into one, then if you have a preference, maybe bump it up one or two numbers if you want a slightly brighter appearing picture.

Now set color level which controls the intensity or saturation of all colors. Best done with skin tones. The late night shows like Leno or Lettermen are good when they are sitting at their desk. A lot of pros go through a lot of trouble making them look good with spending lots of time on lighting so if they look cartoonish, pasty or just not natural chances are you need to turn down color intensity a few numbers. If you moved the tint control PUT IT BACK to zero. Same for the warm or cool settings. These really should never be touched. If you have fiddle here trying to make the colors look "better" chances are something is messed up with the set. Modern tv's even the cheaper ones do a very good job faithfully reproducing tint, don't mess with it, you'll just mess it up.

Sharpness is another often over adjusted control. Try adjusting to a still picture that isn't too busy, but still has detail like somebody wearing a sweater where you can see the knitting pattern or there's something in the foreground that has text. Sharpness like the brightness and contrast controls is misnamed and really doesn't sharpen anything. What this control really does is add artifical detail. Stil that can for some viewing result in a crisper "appearing" picture. Do just a little if you use any, a small amount of "sharpness" goes a long way. At most never push beyond 15 or 20 if you must because remember, it only adds artifacts. A tiny bit, if you're sitting eight feet or further away might give you a sharper appearing picture (factually it can't), but don't get carried away or you just ruin the natual fidelity of the picture.

At this point you should have a pretty decent looking picture. If you think it still could be a tad better under pro settings just below color tempature you can adjust the matrix for the prime colors. By default they are all set to zero. If you must fiddle without instruements, try bumping up the red and blue values in various combinations. You won't see much if any real change. Avoid changing the green.

That's about all you should change. Leave the rest of the settings to defaults or set to off.
post #6044 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Sorry. ST50 forum but wrong website. I would post the website but AVS will block it.
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To find D-Nice's "2012 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread" with his 2012 Reference Settings, you have to go to High Def Junkies dot com since they're hosted over there, not here on AVS. You need to be registered at HDJ before you can access the DISPLAY SETTINGS, CALIBRATIONS, & REVIEWS forum.

Try page 3 there
post #6045 of 9468
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Originally Posted by grik View Post

Hello guys,
just joined in as a new proud owner of a TX-P50ST50E. Im setting it up today, i would like some links or advice's on how to calibrate this nice plasma TV.
Im using it for Movies and Soccer.
Image Settings that and special attentions on the first 100 hours of viewing. What do expect or any other detail.
I cant read 200 pages, that´s why im asking. Or just get me a link for a good post in these 200 pages, i will advance from there.
Thank you dear Sirs, you guys rock

You have a European version and apart from some broad parameters you may be better served at Avforums.com
post #6046 of 9468
Anyone have the phone number to the Panasonic concierge line? It comes written on a slip with the TV. I lost mine and cant seem to find it online anywhere?
post #6047 of 9468
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Originally Posted by smith987 View Post

Anyone have the phone number to the Panasonic concierge line? It comes written on a slip with the TV. I lost mine and cant seem to find it online anywhere?

1-877-958-4372
post #6048 of 9468
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Originally Posted by caseycjc View Post

Try page 3 there
Nice. I typed it out one time and they put symbols over the website %#&*$@.
post #6049 of 9468
Hey guys... figured I'd check with the experts before pulling the trigger. I can get the 55" ST50 for just about $1000 through work. I'd be upgrading from a 50" G10. I am hoping there will be a big jump in PQ here? Also, is the AR filter any different between the G10 and ST50? It's not horrible now, but there is some reflection from windows behind the tv during the daytime... even if the AR was the same it wouldn't be a dealbreaker.
post #6050 of 9468
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

Bond 007, I am not sure if you meant to put a link in there or not.
I was also curious as to the break-in process and procedures. So, I went to Plasma Flat Panel Displays - Master Burn-In/IR/Break In Thread Part II: All Posts Here Only and clicked on the link in the first post which leads to a post by Evangelo2 which has a link to a break-in DVD. In Evangelo's post he mentions that there are two methods or schools of thought for what settings to use when running the break-in DVD, one being low brightness and contrast and the other method being "Torch Mode". I would like to err on the side of caution and use the low brightness & contrast method. But, can anybody quantify what "low" is?
Thanks!

Got the .iso image on the disc. Anyone have ideas on what "low" is?
post #6051 of 9468
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Originally Posted by smith987 View Post

Anyone have the phone number to the Panasonic concierge line? It comes written on a slip with the TV. I lost mine and cant seem to find it online anywhere?

Sitting down? While they pick up the phone fast, within a couple rings the 3 times I called them you do NOT get to talk to a actual tech unless and until you get past the call
screener who tries to solve the problem. I found out the hard way when I was discussing a technical issue, the person on the other end clearly was in over her head and just talking nonsense. I asked her point blank if she was a qualified tech and she replied no... I'll have one call you back. Never happened. Panasonic SHAME ON YOU! Come clean with your phony concierge BS.

While I'm in rant mode, I bought quite a fee new electronic toys in the past 6 weeks. I called Netgear about my 3700 router. That guy didn't have a clue either. A couple weeks ago I got one of the highly rated Qnap NAS servers. While the product is first rate, again the "tech" knew nothing and twice actually gave WRONG information. Samsung was guilty too. I had a couple questions about my Galaxy S3. Same kind of "service". Ditto for AT&T when I called hem (laughingly) to explain my first billing which no surprise they screwed up also. Tech service if you can even call it that, SUCKS.
post #6052 of 9468
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

Got the .iso image on the disc. Anyone have ideas on what "low" is?

See my much longer and more detailed answer higher up. Contrast controls white level, brightness controls black level. While you have considerable wiggle room setting white levels (what really impacts overall screen brightness which is actually the poorly named contrast control) the brightness control really has nothing to do with the brightness level, a cruel joke by tv manufactuers dumped on the public starting way back in 1948.

So knowing that, the black level, what the brightness setting really controls should fall within in a narrow range IF it is set correctly. Read my longer poster to a hint what that range is and how to set it. Without doing anything except watching the tv you can tell if your black level is correct by keeping a sharp eye for the fraction of a second the screen might go dark either between commericals or going into or out of them. The screen for that fracton of a second should be jet black. If you see any shade of gray you have the black level too high. You can "cheat" a bit and go maybe 2-3 clicks higher once you know where the true black level should be. If after adjusting to what it should be and the picture is still too dark for your tastes, trying bumping up gamma then contrast in that order, but just a bit.
post #6053 of 9468
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

See my much longer and more detailed answer higher up. Contrast controls white level, brightness controls black level. While you have considerable wiggle room setting white levels (what really impacts overall screen brightness which is actually the poorly named contrast control) the brightness control really has nothing to do with the brightness level, a cruel joke by tv manufactuers dumped on the public starting way back in 1948.
So knowing that, the black level, what the brightness setting really controls should fall within in a narrow range IF it is set correctly. Read my longer poster to a hint what that range is and how to set it. Without doing anything except watching the tv you can tell if your black level is correct by keeping a sharp eye for the fraction of a second the screen might go dark either between commericals or going into or out of them. The screen for that fracton of a second should be jet black. If you see any shade of gray you have the black level too high. You can "cheat" a bit and go maybe 2-3 clicks higher once you know where the true black level should be. If after adjusting to what it should be and the picture is still too dark for your tastes, trying bumping up gamma then contrast in that order, but just a bit.

So, these ranges to which you refer would be considered "low" for the purposes of running a break-in DVD? When I first read your reply to the OP it seemed as if you were giving guidelines for setting Contrast and Brightness for general viewing and I was not sure if they would be applicable for break-in. What I mean is, I was not sure if one should use lower-than-normal settings for break-in purposes, or if by "low" it is meant in relation to the type of settings which one would use for "Torch Mode" break-in.

Thanks.
post #6054 of 9468
Great post BillyBoyBlue,

this should be stickied somewhere in most topics on this forum. Im going to try your advices with patience and use it for 200h. Probably here in Portugal near my city (Porto) we dont have a specialist in calibration, i think im going to be just fine with your little tricks.

Thanks alot for this beginner's handbook introduction. If you happend to come to my country i will buy you a king size beer.
Edited by grik - 10/9/12 at 6:52am
post #6055 of 9468
Is this model set for retirement? The reason I ask is , Iv been looking at it every day on Best Buy's web site because I am going to buy it around thanksgiving and today ( 10-9-12) is is no longer on BB web page.
post #6056 of 9468
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

Is this model set for retirement? The reason I ask is , Iv been looking at it every day on Best Buy's web site because I am going to buy it around thanksgiving and today ( 10-9-12) is is no longer on BB web page.

The ST50 is the 2012 model. So at some point, Panasonic will release the 2013 models probably around April - May of next year.

I see the 55" on the BB site and unless a mistake has been made the 55" and the 60" show the same price. Darn it, not when I was purchasing!
post #6057 of 9468
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

Oh no worries, it's a fair question. Plasma has the same issues with Motion Blur. In stores you'll see LCD/LED advertised with their motion refresh rates at 120/240Hz. Plasma is advertised at 600Hz, but Plasma's motion refresh rate is generally advertised as "Sub Field Motion" which can throw people off but you still have to turn it on as it's not a desired feature for standard movie watching. While Plasma generally offers the fastest refresh rates over any LCD/LED it's not always turned on by default as it is when you buy an LCD/LED TV which is why many LCD/LED owners complain of the Soap Opera Effect. So yes, you can choose to turn it on depending on what setting you are using as it can be grayed out as you see in the picture I attached. So go into the Picture Settings-Advanced Picture and turn on the Motion Smoother. You'll need to set it to your desired strength.
I usually set mine to medium for football. Plasma's refresh rate is so high I have found no need to crank it up to strong.
100_0730.JPG 500k .JPG file

Thank you much!!
post #6058 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Super 8 View Post

The ST50 is the 2012 model. So at some point, Panasonic will release the 2013 models probably around April - May of next year.
I see the 55" on the BB site and unless a mistake has been made the 55" and the 60" show the same price. Darn it, not when I was purchasing!
I called BB and the operator said when they take it of the site that means there no longer will be selling it frown.gif I dont know what to do know. I was thinking of Amazon but the only warranty they sell I can see is Square trade and Iv not heard much good about them. Panasonic still sells it directly and they offer a 3 years warranty but its currently about $100 higher then Amazon.
post #6059 of 9468
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

I called BB and the operator said when they take it of the site that means there no longer will be selling it frown.gif I dont know what to do know. I was thinking of Amazon but the only warranty they sell I can see is Square trade and Iv not heard much good about them. Panasonic still sells it directly and they offer a 3 years warranty but its currently about $100 higher then Amazon.

They still show as available near Chicago. Either way there is nothing wrong with Amazon many have purchased without issue.

Do not let that stop you if really like the panel - go for it. I did not purchase an extra warranty and knock on wood no problems with the Panny IR or otherwise.
post #6060 of 9468
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Originally Posted by Super 8 View Post

They still show as available near Chicago. Either way there is nothing wrong with Amazon many have purchased without issue.
Do not let that stop you if really like the panel - go for it. I did not purchase an extra warranty and knock on wood no problems with the Panny IR or otherwise.
I looked at Panny's web site and you can buy a extend warranty from them even if you bought it elsewhere.
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