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post #6271 of 9972
Just purchased a TC-P60ST50 and have been super pumped about it.

Only watched about 6-8 hours of TV on it so far but it has been amazing.

After hitting this forum I am now getting scared reading all the Image Retention problems with the ST series.
post #6272 of 9972
I'm curious to learn from others who have purchased this TV how their HTPCs have fared in regards to burn-in, or image retention (IR).

This is my number 1 choice for a TV this year, but the IR makes me think it would be a poor choice for use with a HTPC.

If not this TV for HTPC, then what else is there to look at?
post #6273 of 9972
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Originally Posted by TennisFreak View Post

Just purchased a TC-P60ST50 and have been super pumped about it.
Only watched about 6-8 hours of TV on it so far but it has been amazing.
After hitting this forum I am now getting scared reading all the Image Retention problems with the ST series.

Don't let it freak you out Freak (sorry, I had to). I have had the TV a week now with no IR issues. Even watched a movie with black bars w/o issue.
post #6274 of 9972
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Originally Posted by dwright5 View Post

Thank you for the comments on the differences in plasma from LED, very informative and helpful! Hopefully I'll be getting 50 ST50 soon enough, but just want to get as much information and facts as I can now. I keep reading about the break in slides and various ones from different calibrators. Can I break the tv in and all the pixels just by watching regular television and blu rays? I understand that it's best to stay away from black bars and video games and scrolling bars for long periods of time, but if I didn't want to run the slides for 100-200 hours, would simply watching full format shows and films be sufficient? Are the slides only necessary for the individual calibrators such as D-Nice? If I were to get the set professionally calibrated further down the line by Best Buy or another third party calibrator, would the slides be needed then?

My two cents...

While using "slides" for break-in won't hurt, I fail to see how it is suppose to help either. Just because I was curious I did invest almost an hour trying to research the topic and really got nowhere as to WHY this is suppose to be such a great idea. There are several vague references that a plasma tv should be broken in, meaning as best I can tell that this is suppose to "cure" the pixels ( or phosphors, depending who you ask) so they age equally. Again, can't find a single authoritive reference that confirms this or even explains HOW or WHY this is suppose to work. So my initial impression was baloney and I haven't seen anything to change my opinion.

So I asked my cousin, who's is a bonified electronics engineer with a degree to prove that and he works in the US military. So I asked him. He laughed. That I also can't find a single manufacturer, not Panasonic, any of them that recommends a break-in, I suspect this is just another one of those silly things that gets started, somebody tells somebody else and like that.

I'm with you, and what I've done is just watch the tv, or play movies on it, just avoid too much content that has black bars in the first ferw weeks of the tv's life and things will be fine. biggrin.gif
post #6275 of 9972
So in regards to panel prep or "break in" I would like to know what some of you on here think.

I have seen plenty of people talk of D-Nice settings and I went and registered at the forum and read the thread. 100 hours of running his slides in order to break in the panel seems crazy.
Will not running his slides lead to the phosphor in the pixels not being as accurate due to some sort of uneven break in?
I am fully prepared to run his recommended slides and prep if that truly is going to benefit my TV.

I also read Cnets calibration thread and they merely recommended just waiting about 200 hours before calibrating, and during that 200 hours just watch it normally and no need to run any special screen patterns.

I also read this article at CNET http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57480003-221/do-i-need-to-break-in-a-new-plasma-tv-morrisons-mailbag/ that pretty much just says break in are not issues with plasmas and all the talk about it is fear mongering.

What are your thoughts?
post #6276 of 9972
I went to BB today and notice something that I wanted your guys opinion on. The panny was next to a Samsung LED and the LED was NOTICEABLE brighter then The Panny Plasma. Is that a norm or did the store just have the contrast pumped up? Is the Plasma THAT much darker then a LED?
post #6277 of 9972
LED is brighter (sometimes much) than Plasma and looking at the sets side by side in Best Buy makes it look much worse than it is.

I spent quite a bit of time comparing at Best Buy before I bought my ST50. Now that my set is at home in normal lighting settings I can say that it is plenty bright. In fact I have found that unless the sun is shining directly on my TV's I have turned the brightness on all of my LCD/LED sets down quite a bit because they are just so dang bright.
post #6278 of 9972
yes, it is normal, go a google search on the differences between plasma and lcd/led sets.

you were in a bright store with lights everywhere. is that the environment you will be watching tv and movies in? if so, maybe led/lcd is for you. for most of us, we use our tvs in a dark room for cable and movies. there is an adjustment on all tvs for brightness, but there isnt one for motion blur, just keep that in mind when making your decision
post #6279 of 9972
Got a nice deal on the 55" ST50 at Best Buy today.It gets delivered to my house this Saturday.If anyone is considering buying this TV and has a Fry's & Best Buy in your area.Check the price on Fry's website eek.gif

Best Buy should be able to price match it for you.I got it done today without any hassle at one of my local Best Buy stores.

Now a question I have is.Is anyone in here using this TV in a large master bedroom or in a normal house bedroom? I ask because this TV will be replacing a 3 year old 40" Sony KDL-40W5100 LCD TV that I current have mounted on to a TV stand in my master bedroom.The TV will be about 10 to 12 feet from where my bed is in the room.If anyone is using the TV like how I plan to use it can you please explain to me if you have any viewing problems with this size of the TV in your setup or if it's causing your eyes to hurt.I honestly don't think this will be a problem for me.

Since this will be my first plasma TV i am going to do the 100 hours break in using D-Nice's picture slides and will test out his calibration settings.I also have a Best Buy Rewards Zone premiere account and do have the option of getting a free calibration done by their geek squad.But I honestly don't think I will actually utilize them since some people in this thread and other message boards have said the geek squad aren't to good and really don't know what they are doing.Has anyone on here actually had them come out and had a calibration done by them?

I plan on using the TV for watching lots of blu-ray's, lots of sports (Basketball & Football) mainly.Some gaming will be done on it with a PS3 to see how 3D games like MLB 12 The Show & Gran Turismo 5 look on it.But when I game heavily and play for long periods it will done on my Sony 40" LCD TV.

The 55" ST50 will be connected to my Directv HR34 HD DVR.Anyone else on here have Directv and the same DVR? If so is there any known issues between this TV and that DVR?

Sorry for the long post and being a noob to Plasma TV's.

Can't wait for Saturday when the TV gets delivered biggrin.gif
Edited by Filipinoyakuza - 10/17/12 at 2:46pm
post #6280 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Have you tried it? Did you lose your settings? Did it fix your problem?

Made no difference. frown.gif
post #6281 of 9972
Here's a fancier distance caculator then the one I posted a few days ago:

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

For a 50 inch the recommended min viewing distance is 6.5 feet max 17.4 according to above.
post #6282 of 9972
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Originally Posted by letsgetsilly View Post

I'm curious to learn from others who have purchased this TV how their HTPCs have fared in regards to burn-in, or image retention (IR).
This is my number 1 choice for a TV this year, but the IR makes me think it would be a poor choice for use with a HTPC.
If not this TV for HTPC, then what else is there to look at?

Well so far I estimate I've streaming something like 30-40 hours hours of videos and images off my NAS (Network Access Storage device) using the tv's DLSA option and I guess that qualifies as a HTPC (Home Theater PC) rig. No IR at all. Since much of this content is less then 1920 x 1080 black bars were present much of time. I really think some are worrying too much over nothing. Of course none of these images were on screen for long.
post #6283 of 9972
The recommendation of panel aging slides comes from people that calibrate tv's. what they found is that the tv's image drifts in a few ways and it happens the most in the first 100-130 hours(D-Nice briefly mentioned a change before 130). So to get the most bang for your buck on a just purchased tv they say to wait said time or the panel retouch will be needed sooner. These aren't opinions but findings by people with sensitive meters that can actually 'see' what's going on and put out numbers to prove it.

The use of slides has a function also. It ages the panel evenly. The difference when watching tv is that the center of the screen gets more wear than the outer edges so using slides will even out the wear. So the calibrator suggests slides so his meter can be more accurate, at least that's how I understand it.

These are the things I've gathered over the years and just wanted to pass them along. Personally I won't have a tv calibrated and when buying new I just make settings to what I like and don't bother with lower contrast but just run as much full screen as I can.

So i guess it's up to the individual to choose what aging method is right for him/her. But with this information a more personal decision can be made.

Here's a few charts that may show some info on panel drift that may give an idea on what's happening. I'm not a calibrator and not implying that I'm an expert on this subject.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57362126-221/update-long-term-plasma-tv-tests-enter-second-year/
post #6284 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Filipinoyakuza View Post

Now a question I have is.Is anyone in here using this TV in a large master bedroom or in a normal house bedroom? I ask because this TV will be replacing a 3 year old 40" Sony KDL-40W5100 LCD TV that I current have mounted on to a TV stand in my master bedroom.The TV will be about 10 to 12 feet from where my bed is in the room.If anyone is using the TV like how I plan to use it can you please explain to me if you have any viewing problems with this size of the TV in your setup or if it's causing your eyes to hurt.I honestly don't think this will be a problem for me.
Since this will be my first plasma TV i am going to do the 100 hours break in using D-Nice's picture slides and will test out his calibration settings.I also have a Best Buy Rewards Zone premiere account and do have the option of getting a free calibration done by their geek squad.But I honestly don't think I will actually utilize them since some people in this thread and other message boards have said the geek squad aren't to good and really don't know what they are doing.Has anyone on here actually had them come out and had a calibration done by them?
I plan on using the TV for watching lots of blu-ray's, lots of sports (Basketball & Football) mainly.Some gaming will be done on it with a PS3 to see how 3D games like MLB 12 The Show & Gran Turismo 5 look on it.But when I game heavily and play for long periods it will done on my Sony 40" LCD TV.
The 55" ST50 will be connected to my Directv HR34 HD DVR.Anyone else on here have Directv and the same DVR? If so is there any known issues between this TV and that DVR?
Sorry for the long post and being a noob to Plasma TV's.
Can't wait for Saturday when the TV gets delivered biggrin.gif

If this will help I have a 50ST30 mounted high in my master on an articulating arm. My room is 13x18 and the bed and tv are on the long walls. The viewing distance from eyeball when laying my head on the pillows to the tv is 10 feet. I have the tv on mid panel brightness in custom mode and around 78 contrast. We usually watch and hours worth of programing every night and have no issues at all. I think the tv could be bigger without issue.

On the BB calibration, they are only allowed to spend about 30-45 minutes on the tv. When one of the better calibrators performs his magic he usually spends about 4 hours dialing it in. with that in mind it should turn out much better.
post #6285 of 9972
When can we expect a price drop on the ST series? Soon or maybe Freaky(black) Friday? Anyone remember the case history on the ST30 last year? I'm thinking about plugging in the plug on this one.( You see, I 'm one who believes pulling the plug means to say screw it"I'm outta here")smile.gif
post #6286 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CuppyCat View Post

When can we expect a price drop on the ST series? Soon or maybe Freaky(black) Friday? Anyone remember the case history on the ST30 last year? I'm thinking about plugging in the plug on this one.( You see, I 'm one who believes pulling the plug means to say screw it"I'm outta here")smile.gif

The Best Buy store customer service rep I spoke with over the phone found a store that still had the TV on display.Evidently most of the Best Buy stores are starting to discontinue the Panasonic ST series and don't even have a display model in the BB or Magnolia Home Theater areas of BB stores.The customer service rep explained to me that even though they didn't currently have the TV in stock they could still order one for me or get one from one of the local stores that had it in stock.I was told the same thing last night at another local Best Buy store when I bought the limited edition 3D Avatar blu-ray.That store didn't have the 55" ST50 on display.

So I really don't know how much longer the ST series will continue to be carried at Best Buy stores and it seems they are getting harder to find.
post #6287 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CuppyCat View Post

When can we expect a price drop on the ST series? Soon or maybe Freaky(black) Friday? Anyone remember the case history on the ST30 last year? I'm thinking about plugging in the plug on this one.( You see, I 'm one who believes pulling the plug means to say screw it"I'm outta here")smile.gif

I bought my 50ST30 on October 23rd, it was 899 and a week later the deal included a free BD player, so I took in my receipt and got the BD. That was the lowest price I saw all year at BB. Amazon didn't go lower unless you went 3rd party.

What I've heard is the end of October for some(?) electronics deals. Black Friday usually has the near bottom of the line products on sale.
post #6288 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CxP View Post

Made no difference. frown.gif
Sorry. Did you lose your settings?
post #6289 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

Any reason why AVS does this to "that website which shall not be named"? Is it just b/c it's a competing site?
Yes
post #6290 of 9972
Just got the Disney wow disc for my birthday and just finished the calibration. Wow is right. If you have this set get a calibration disc or get a calibrator, it's well worth it. I thought my settings were good before but after calibrating, it's looks phenomenal
post #6291 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sethmp View Post

Just got the Disney wow disc for my birthday and just finished the calibration. Wow is right. If you have this set get a calibration disc or get a calibrator, it's well worth it. I thought my settings were good before but after calibrating, it's looks phenomenal

That's great, how hard is it to use that disk?
post #6292 of 9972
I just had my second 55ST50 delivered today from BBY. The first one seemed fine at first, but then would not turn on after the first time (flashing power light). Talked to Panasonic support and they said something was wrong with the set.

So my second one arrives today, and I'm struck by this constant color grain in the image up close. I didn't notice this in my previous model for the 1 hr or so that I had it, but I suppose I could have missed it if it's normal. It's not really noticeable from the couch, but up close it's easily visible. Searching online, I'm guessing it's just the "dancing pixels" that plasmas have. It's pretty obvious to me when I'm looking at the TV menus or my WM7 blue background. Just a constant movement of color.

I suppose maybe I'm just paranoid because my first one didn't work, but is it common for this color pattern to be so obvious with ST50s? Does it lessen over time? Maybe I'm just used to my old LCD which had a more or less static image.
post #6293 of 9972
Not to hard at all. The instructions were pretty clear. Even if you are a novice you can use the advanced calibration with ease. Actually I would recommend skipping the beginner portion of the wow disc and going straight to advanced calibration. It has more details and the disc just gives a ton of info overall
post #6294 of 9972
Yeah, my 60ST50 is pro calibrated. It's pretty amazing. I watched Pulp Fiction (one of my favorite movies, which I've seen probably fifty times by now), and it was an entirely new experience.

I'm watching Star Wars Episode IV right now. I can't use enough superlatives to describe the picture quality on this display.
post #6295 of 9972
I got a TC-P55ST50 from Amazon last week. Ran D-Nice's prep slides and plugged in his values, and the picture looks absolutely gorgeous. I'm really blown away by how good it looks.

However, I do have one issue. I used the Custom Mode to input D-Nice's settings, and for some reason the TV simply won't stay in Custom Mode, and I can't figure out what's making it change. Sometimes it switches to Game, other times to Standard. I do have several different devices running through my receiver, which is connected to the TV. Also I think it might have something to do with the TV switching from 2D to 3D and back again, but I can't replicate the switching at will, it seems to happen at random (although not in the middle of watching a specific piece of content). Does anyone know what might be causing this and how I can get the TV to stay on Custom Mode?
post #6296 of 9972
does this happen when you are fast forwarding a program while watching DVR or just normal viewing?
post #6297 of 9972
I haven't seen mine change modes by itself, BUT I've observed following behavior which is a bit strange.

When I was having issues with having my home theater speakers work correctly as detailed here a couple weeks ago (my dumb mistake) another thing happened which I'll explain.
I turned the set on in the moringing, I could hear a broadcast but the picture was totaly hidden by the tv's gray screen saver screen. It had a message on screen saying "press any key..." which I did on the TV's remote, but nothing happened. Pressing any key on my cable box remote cured the problem and I thought no more about it till a couple days ago.

We had a power outage, the city was putting in a new sub station transformer so the power was out for about 30 minutes. This of course knocked out electrical devices, this tv wasn't on at the time. That evening I turned on the tv and again saw the gray screen and again needed to click on my cable remote to get a picture. This happened again this morning. So something changed. How, why, I have no idea. Anyone else see this?
post #6298 of 9972
are you sure it wasnt your cable box' screen saver and not your tv's?
post #6299 of 9972
I never saw this gray screen on my old tv and have had the same (WideOpenWest) cable service for about 7 years. Besides it makes no sense that the cable box would throw up a screen saver immediately after turning on the set when its been off overnight. Then again, there's no reason why the tv would either. Beats me what is causing this or why.

I leave the cabe box itself always on since it takes forever to reboot if I on purpose I turn it off or if there's a power outage.
post #6300 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

I never saw this gray screen on my old tv and have had the same (WideOpenWest) cable service for about 7 years. Besides it makes no sense that the cable box would throw up a screen saver immediately after turning on the set when its been off overnight. Then again, there's no reason why the tv would either. Beats me what is causing this or why.
I leave the cabe box itself always on since it takes forever to reboot if I on purpose I turn it off or if there's a power outage.

I know with U-verse if you turn on the TV and not the DVR (which is connected via HDMI) there will be a blue screen which says something to the effect of "Press OK to watch TV". There is no sound coming through when this happens, though.

That is the closest instance that I can think of which I have experienced.
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