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post #6721 of 9971
BUZZZZZZZZ rolleyes.gif Its the 2012 version of the previous years rising blacks epidemic.

My set buzzes, wait I think mine buzzes, I'm not sure mine buzzes, let me check, oh yeah it really buzzes, mine buzzes so loud the neighbors complain, the buzzing gave me cancer, class-action lawsuit for buzzing. Blah blah. Go start a buzzing thread, like the IR thread, and keep the hysteria there.



This TV is awesome for 98% of us. smile.gif If I had the money for 10 ST50's I'd buy 10 ST50's and give them away to people to enjoy its awesomeness.
post #6722 of 9971
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

I'm beginning to think running the slides just might contribute to the "buzzing" problem, since the slides stress the tv and push it in a zone it was never designed to operate in, ie all red, green, blue screeen for a a hundreds hours or more. In my opinion NUTS.
You have posted that several times now. I understand that you are hardcore against the slides for whatever personal reasons but that is borderline propaganda. That will hurt your credibility.
Edited by Bond 007 - 11/2/12 at 5:31pm
post #6723 of 9971
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

I listened to your file, then recorded it and input it into the same software and the wave patterns are quite similar which would suggest the "noise" is coming from the same source. I would be interrested in knowing how your positioned the mike when you recorded the sound, ie your position and distance from the set.

I positioned the mike approx. 5 inches from the upper left corner of the TV (rear).
post #6724 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

You have posted that several times now. I understand that you are hardcore against the slides for whatever personal reasons but that is borderline propaganda. That will hurt your credibility.

You're hard core FOR the slides. As yet nobody has offered a single shread of proof they do anything except making look pretty foolish for using them. Understand?
post #6725 of 9971
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Originally Posted by lyrrad721 View Post

I positioned the mike approx. 5 inches from the upper left corner of the TV (rear).

I repeated my testing using the position you did. While my cell phone recorded some slight noise at that location and distance it was weaker than yours. I next overlayed the two waveforms and they for all practical purposes are the same, just one is weaker volume. If I try to record at 8,10, 12 feet distance I get nothing. If you have time to experiment, try from in front of the set at 8 feet both with the volume muted and playing at a normal volume. Just to play around with it I took your recording brought it into my prime video editor Sony's Vegas and was easily able to mask the sound by overlaying a audio of a song and also by applying a"hiss" filter set to inf for gain and clipping frequencies by 6dB between 95Hz and above 8,000Hz. That's of no practical value when it comes to listening to a tv though, just saying the noise can be effectively blocked.
post #6726 of 9971
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

I repeated my testing using the position you did. While my cell phone recorded some slight noise at that location and distance it was weaker than yours. I next overlayed the two waveforms and they for all practical purposes are the same, just one is weaker volume. If I try to record at 8,10, 12 feet distance I get nothing. If you have time to experiment, try from in front of the set at 8 feet both with the volume muted and playing at a normal volume. Just to play around with it I took your recording brought it into my prime video editor Sony's Vegas and was easily able to mask the sound by overlaying a audio of a song and also by applying a"hiss" filter set to inf for gain and clipping frequencies by 6dB between 95Hz and above 8,000Hz. That's of no practical value when it comes to listening to a tv though, just saying the noise can be effectively blocked.
What is the point of this exercise again?
post #6727 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What is the point of this exercise again?

There's a debate about this TV, not just in this thread but all over the Internet, about which of the following is true:

-Some Panasonic 2012 plasmas buzz drastically more than others

-All Panasonic 2012 plasmas buzz roughly the same amount, but some people are more sensitive to it than others

The amount of anecdotal information and apocrypha whirling around isn't exactly helping to settle the issue, especially with inconsistent information coming from Panasonic and its technicians about what's considered abnormal behavior.
post #6728 of 9971
These buzzing comments make me laugh. Oh, it doesn't buzz when it's on a normal screen, but when it's an all white screen holy cow! How often do you watch TV with an all white screen? Watch a couple hours of a TV show at normal listening levels from a normal watching distance. If you don't hear the buzz, there is nothing wrong with your TV. If you do hear a buzz still, then exchange it. These paranoid conversations about IR and buzzing are seriously annoying. I understand that you pay a lot of money for something, you want it to be perfect but you people are LOOKING for problems that wouldn't bother you if you weren't LOOKING for them. Jeebus.
post #6729 of 9971
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Originally Posted by djPerfectTrip View Post

These buzzing comments make me laugh. Oh, it doesn't buzz when it's on a normal screen, but when it's an all white screen holy cow! How often do you watch TV with an all white screen? Watch a couple hours of a TV show at normal listening levels from a normal watching distance. If you don't hear the buzz, there is nothing wrong with your TV. If you do hear a buzz still, then exchange it. These paranoid conversations about IR and buzzing are seriously annoying. I understand that you pay a lot of money for something, you want it to be perfect but you people are LOOKING for problems that wouldn't bother you if you weren't LOOKING for them. Jeebus.

Maybe if you spent any time actually reading the thread instead of posting a kneejerk response you'd see that me and several others clearly hear the buzz DURING NORMAL VIEWING and have exchanged multiple sets without being able to solve the problem. At this point I can't keep missing days of work waiting for more replacement deliveries.
post #6730 of 9971
Well I just got my 65ST50 from Amazon today and it is NOT a buzzer. Iam a little concerned with the pic quality though as it seems to be a bit soft on some OTA channels I checked out. Avatar on blu ray looked really good though so I figure I need to play around with the picture settings some more. I've been working with the cnet settings but I guess I'm wondering if anyone else here would share their 65 inch settings that I can try out. Thanks!
post #6731 of 9971
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Originally Posted by rudds View Post

Maybe if you spent any time actually reading the thread instead of posting a kneejerk response you'd see that me and several others clearly hear the buzz DURING NORMAL VIEWING and have exchanged multiple sets without being able to solve the problem. At this point I can't keep missing days of work waiting for more replacement deliveries.
I just don't really see a couple people being *that* unlucky to get multiple sets that buzz when there are thousands of people that don't get 1 that does. Something tells me that your normal viewing means that you think you might hear something so you turn the volume down and walk up to the TV.
post #6732 of 9971
Ofcourse the problem is that the buzz is audible over normal volume, in bright scenes, at a distance of 9 feet.

In my case the buzzing could actually be amplified by pressing upon the backplate; however it was clearly audible for me even without that amplification of the problem.

I actually made a video of it, have a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8eIjli_9lo

On a different note, does anyone know anything about the black-level performance of the LG P60PA5500? I'm afraid it doesn't measure up to the ST50, but if it's silent... smile.gif
post #6733 of 9971
As an installer I have yet to come across a set that buzzes without actually going up to the panel and put my ear on the back of the set that being said we check for correct voltage at the socket and make sure the grounds for cable/sat and OTA are good along with checking the rest of the equipment hooked up to the set.
There is a possibility of a set causing this issue but the unlikely event of a person exchanging it for several and the problem persist would cause me to look at other conditions.
post #6734 of 9971
So I just scored my ST50 yesterday and finally got it setup in my man cave last night. I got the 60" at a crazy price at a furniture store that was moving to a new location. Now I am scouring the internet in search for either how to self calibrate or whether or not I should get a Pro to do it. I like most would hate to shell out $300 for a guy to come in and tweak the set in the same manners I could have for free. I live in Halifax and the only "Pro" calibrating I can find are the Geek Squad which don't get good reviews.

I know most of you probably hear this everyday, but can someone direct me to some settings that may help me obtain the excellent picture this tv can produce. My tv is setup in a dark basement which allows me to view from a distance of about 10 feet. I will be primarily watching blu ray on it, while my wife will be watching HGTV in HD :-P

Any suggestions or link direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance
post #6735 of 9971
Audio question.

Have 60" st50 and Samsung hte6500 htib.

Trying to get audio from TV Internet apps to htib. Have hdmi cable running out from htib to hdmi arc input of tv. No audio. Any idea why not?
post #6736 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

What is the point of this exercise again?

I'm simply trying to understand WHAT is causing the noise, how it varies from one set to another and if everyone more or less is experiencing the same "noise" and if is a matter of degree how loud it is. This should not be confused with other sources of "noise" such as loose screws rattilng. Rather the most annoying noise seems to be present in ALL sets, but like for me and many others that have posted and the vast majority of people that don't even know this forum exists it seems the "noise" is so slight it fades into the background and can't be heard at all while watching the tv with normal volume from a normal viewing distance. Such "noise" is what I labeled normal background noise that many electronic devices give off IF you go out of your way trying to listen for it. Obviously some others are unlucky enough to have got a "hummer", and some having receiving one or more "hummers" as replacements.

The "point" is to record the sound, compare it and see if first it is the same noise and how loud it is for various people. I apparently have a "normal" set than doesn't make any noise unless I go looking for it by putting a mike literally an inch from the BACK of the set. Others, are having fits because they report humming from across the room even with the tv playing normal volume. Such topics are what this forum is for. Maybe you didn't know that.
post #6737 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

Well I just got my 65ST50 from Amazon today and it is NOT a buzzer. Iam a little concerned with the pic quality though as it seems to be a bit soft on some OTA channels I checked out. Avatar on blu ray looked really good though so I figure I need to play around with the picture settings some more. I've been working with the cnet settings but I guess I'm wondering if anyone else here would share their 65 inch settings that I can try out. Thanks!

I have a 65 inch. Of course take with a liberal sprinkling of salt. The Cnet setting are close to what I'm using with a few minor exceptions. I'm using 82 for contrast and 61 for brightness and 48 for color. I also set my black extension to 5 compared to Cnet having 0 but that's offset by me using 2.2 for Gamma while they use 2.6. I also leave the color temp at normal. I also have some minor varations in the W/B W/R high and low settings.
post #6738 of 9971
Ok I spent some quality time with my set last night and this morning.

Last night I played with some settings, watched a little basketball with my sons, watch some of "The longest yard", and this morning I watched some live tennis on the The Tennis Channel. Yesterday, last night, and right now when I am not using the TV I am running the D-Nice slides.

Here are my early observations:

Buzzing has only been noticeable so far on D-Nice white and grey slides. While it is definitely worse than my previous set I can say that outside of the white and grey slides (with screen set to custom, 100% contrast) the buzz has not been noticeable.

As for screen uniformity. It is definitely not 100% perfect. I still see a slight green tint in middle of screen on white/grey slides. It is better than my first set which had it much more pronounced, but it has not disappeared.

I did notice that the manufacture date of this set is September which was the same month as my first set so at this point I am going to chalk it up to maybe a production run problem. For what its worth though since it is not as bad I dont notice it at all when watching tv and can barely see it when on something like Google web page or a dvd menu.

SO at this point I am going to stick with this set and finish the D-Nice slide calibration, run the tar out of the panel trying to age it as fast as possible. Some suggest that as panel ages the green tint may go away which at this point its not that bad. I plan on watching a lot of movies and sports in different scenarios after the D-Nice calibration. If the buzzing does not pose itself as a noticeable issue when watching movies at night in low volume settings AND the green tint either stays the same or gets better then I will be keeping the set.

Returning the set is such a hassle and potentially getting another one with the same issues (or worse) is not something I look forward to. I almost wish I had kept the first one in hopes that the green tint would have gone away.

Anyways I will be posting updates as things happen. I wont be done with D-Nice slides until Tuesday so any serious movie watching will not take place until next Friday/Saturday but in the mean time I may watch a TV show or two if all the other TV's in my house are in use.
post #6739 of 9971
Are you guys waiting 4 or 5 hours before turning on the ST50? Its crucial that you dont turn on the TV or even to the power before letting the plasma settle down on the vertical and normal position.

The shop where i bought they are in close contact with Panasonic and i even asked about settings and calibration slides etc, and they were very clear, we have made several debates and tests and they told me to RESET Settings and then turn off the digital filters stuff and power saving to. After that, just enjoy the TV.

The most important step, that maybe some of you arent doing is when you mount the TV on place, leave it 4 or 5 hours resting without any power connected. As i understood the TVs come on horizontal position on the transports and this way you let the gas or plasma get in place where its going to be need, disperse it.

After that just try not running any slides, i haven't do the slides and i got fantastic results. Maybe, just maybe, this slides technique was good for old plasma techs and not for this one.
Hope this helps, if you buy the TV and after you placed it on the spot, dont connect to the power for 4 hours at least. Leave there resting a while. Try something new stuff guys for a change, you obviously doing something wrong, 3 sets all with buzzes and greenish stuff its alot, maybe the slides are the problem, just saying, dont kill me smile.gif
post #6740 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Ozweego View Post

So I just scored my ST50 yesterday and finally got it setup in my man cave last night. I got the 60" at a crazy price at a furniture store that was moving to a new location. Now I am scouring the internet in search for either how to self calibrate or whether or not I should get a Pro to do it. I like most would hate to shell out $300 for a guy to come in and tweak the set in the same manners I could have for free. I live in Halifax and the only "Pro" calibrating I can find are the Geek Squad which don't get good reviews.
I know most of you probably hear this everyday, but can someone direct me to some settings that may help me obtain the excellent picture this tv can produce. My tv is setup in a dark basement which allows me to view from a distance of about 10 feet. I will be primarily watching blu ray on it, while my wife will be watching HGTV in HD :-P
Any suggestions or link direction would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance

Try here for starters: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-559444/panasonic-tc-p55st50-picture-settings/

As with any setting they should be taken as a starting point, not absolute. Every tv is slightly different and other factors such as ambient lighting and personal preference should also be considered.

So-called "professional calibration" is in the eyes of the beholder and also is greatly impacted by the skills (or lack of) AND the equipment such a "calibrator" uses. As far as Geek Squard I've seen high praise and utter disgust with the results of their "service", so like with the "buzzing" issue it is really a matter of the luck of the draw. If you luck out and hire a truly skilled calibrator AND he has the right equipment AND you set is really way out of calibration then the differences can be night and day. That is the exception, not the rule.

The question really is does the typical person NEED a professional calibration for their brand new tv? I would counter that by asking when is the last time you bought a new car and within the first 2 months took it in to the dealer for a complete tune-up? Duh! You only would if the car was not performing correctly. So, is your tv performing as you expected AFTER you tweaked settings? If yes, then don't blow hundreds of dollars trying to fix what isn't broken.

Calibration of a digital flat screen is a topic few really understand, but some think they need. It boils down to so-called specs. Simply stated is your particular tv set to specs? There's tons of information on this all over the web for those interested. Somebody a couple days ago posted his before and after results with a popular calibration program. While the color charts might look impressive, they are also highly deceiving and deliberately skewed to make it look like tiny adjustments make huge differences. Sorry, that's baloney.

What few calibrators or those selling calibration software tell you is human eyesight and how humans preceive color and levels of brightness is quite different than how adjusting a tv to some set of specs. In others words a calibration might bring your set closer to specs, but surprise, your eyes won't be able to tell much if any difference. So if you like bragging your set has been "professional calibrated" fine, but if you actually want results you can see, you might be quite disappointed.
post #6741 of 9971
I wanted to power my tv as soon as it was delivered so I could check the screen for obvious flaws. So, I waited 4 seconds. :-)
post #6742 of 9971
smile.gif
So obviously you skipped the most important step, 4 to 5 hours without any power on normal stand position. Here it works very well, without slides and non specific settings (again im using the TX-European version) and the menu is very simple and non-pro.
post #6743 of 9971
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Originally Posted by grik View Post

Are you guys waiting 4 or 5 hours before turning on the ST50? Its crucial that you dont turn on the TV or even to the power before letting the plasma settle down on the vertical and normal position.
The shop where i bought they are in close contact with Panasonic and i even asked about settings and calibration slides etc, and they were very clear, we have made several debates and tests and they told me to RESET Settings and then turn off the digital filters stuff and power saving to. After that, just enjoy the TV.
The most important step, that maybe some of you arent doing is when you mount the TV on place, leave it 4 or 5 hours resting without any power connected. As i understood the TVs come on horizontal position on the transports and this way you let the gas or plasma get in place where its going to be need, disperse it.
After that just try not running any slides, i haven't do the slides and i got fantastic results. Maybe, just maybe, this slides technique was good for old plasma techs and not for this one.
Hope this helps, if you buy the TV and after you placed it on the spot, dont connect to the power for 4 hours at least. Leave there resting a while. Try something new stuff guys for a change, you obviously doing something wrong, 3 sets all with buzzes and greenish stuff its alot, maybe the slides are the problem, just saying, dont kill me smile.gif

Holy cow, I'm shocked anyone is suggesting to you that the plasma sets are shipped in a (flat) horizontal position. That would be a huge no-no if true. One thing now that it is starting to get colder in many parts of the world is indeed let your set reach room temp before using. Also I would be concerned even plugging the set in for a few minutes IF it has been sitting on some shipping dock or even in a unheated truck for hours if as soon as you open the box the set feels cold to the touch. i would NOT plug it in.
post #6744 of 9971
My tv was delivered in the vertical position, as I was out there waiting for the truck to arrive and when he opened the cargo door I saw it strapped up in the vertical position.

I know it had been that way for at least 3 1/2 hours because the deliver truck left the dock at 7:30 that morning and he arrived at my house at 11:15.

Also when delivered they turn it on to make sure it works as part of the delivery process.

I have never heard of waiting 4-5 before turning it on or connecting power. I also thought it was common practice to never lay a plasma flat as it could mess up the phosphors in the screen.
post #6745 of 9971
I had professional TV packers come and box my S2 up when we moved (my employer paid for relocation or I would never hire someone to do this) but they put a tattle tale on the box to show if it got laid flat during transport. There is no way panasonic ships them flat.
post #6746 of 9971
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Originally Posted by djPerfectTrip View Post

I just don't really see a couple people being *that* unlucky to get multiple sets that buzz when there are thousands of people that don't get 1 that does. Something tells me that your normal viewing means that you think you might hear something so you turn the volume down and walk up to the TV.
I'm still firm on the idea that all plasmas buzz to a degree, but shouldn't be to the point of annoying and it shouldn't be noticeable from normal seating positions, unless the room is dead quiet and you're on a bright screen. It also depends on one's hearing. I've seen people use sound meters, but those things are usually so sensitive that the buzz will be drowned out by ambient noise.

I've had 5 different plasmas: 2x60ST50's, 55ST30, Samsung B450 and an LG PV450 and all of them have buzzed. Add to that, D-Nice said the same thing - that all plasmas buzz to a degree, and he has calibrated hundreds, if not thousands of them and he knows the innards of these sets better than anyone in this thread.

Just want to bring this up because some people are making it sound like buzzing is completely unordinary. If your set buzzes a bit, I would consider that normal. If it's loud enough to be annoying, then exchange it.

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Originally Posted by Ozweego View Post

So I just scored my ST50 yesterday and finally got it setup in my man cave last night. I got the 60" at a crazy price at a furniture store that was moving to a new location. Now I am scouring the internet in search for either how to self calibrate or whether or not I should get a Pro to do it. I like most would hate to shell out $300 for a guy to come in and tweak the set in the same manners I could have for free. I live in Halifax and the only "Pro" calibrating I can find are the Geek Squad which don't get good reviews.
I know most of you probably hear this everyday, but can someone direct me to some settings that may help me obtain the excellent picture this tv can produce. My tv is setup in a dark basement which allows me to view from a distance of about 10 feet. I will be primarily watching blu ray on it, while my wife will be watching HGTV in HD :-P
Any suggestions or link direction would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
You can try my settings here. Note that the 50/55 panels are a bit different than the 60/65 panels, particularly the gamma. Also note that plugging in settings is kind of like a lottery... they may or may not work well on your panel due to panel variances, and never will they be 100% perfect. A calibration will always give you optimal results.
post #6747 of 9971
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Originally Posted by TennisFreak View Post

My tv was delivered in the vertical position, as I was out there waiting for the truck to arrive and when he opened the cargo door I saw it strapped up in the vertical position.
I know it had been that way for at least 3 1/2 hours because the deliver truck left the dock at 7:30 that morning and he arrived at my house at 11:15.
Also when delivered they turn it on to make sure it works as part of the delivery process.
I have never heard of waiting 4-5 before turning it on or connecting power. I also thought it was common practice to never lay a plasma flat as it could mess up the phosphors in the screen.

I'm not sure about the phosphors, seems kind of far fetched and probably just another myth, I think the big concern in laying a plasma flat is cracking or breaking the glass screen.

Funny story: A few years ago I very carefully brought home a very thin flat door mirror, 60 inch long that was in very flimsy packaging. Gosh darn, I babied the thing all the way home from Home Depot never going over 25 MPH, and annoying a few drivers behind me in the process, about a three mile drive. The end of the mirror hung out the back of my hatch back, maybe a foot. I made it home and was proud of myself, then in the last few feet, I screwed up forgetting the curb at the end of the driveway. Yeah that one little bumb even though I was going under 5 MPH was enough to crack the mirror one end to another. A not so fun way to blow $100. biggrin.gif
post #6748 of 9971
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Originally Posted by Scott Tucker View Post

Turned on my ST50 just now and it just keeps clicking on and off over and over again with no picture. I unplugged it, plugged it back in, and it immediately goes into the on again off again clicking noises. This happend a few week ago to my Wife. She called me at work. I told her unplug the HDMI form the DTV box and plug it back in. She idd and it worked. That's not working this time though. UGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone else having this problem?

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Originally Posted by Scott Tucker View Post

I called Panasonic support. They had me hold the power button on for 10 seconds, and that does make the clicking stop, but when I let go of the power button the clicking starts again. They scheduled a servicer to come to my home next Friday. Glad I'm sitll under warranty at least.

Panasonic repair shop called and said the part needed to fix my set is backordered. Bummer, I miss my plasma! He said it needs an A-board whatever that is...
post #6749 of 9971
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Originally Posted by TennisFreak View Post

Ok I spent some quality time with my set last night and this morning.
Last night I played with some settings, watched a little basketball with my sons, watch some of "The longest yard", and this morning I watched some live tennis on the The Tennis Channel. Yesterday, last night, and right now when I am not using the TV I am running the D-Nice slides.
Here are my early observations:
Buzzing has only been noticeable so far on D-Nice white and grey slides. While it is definitely worse than my previous set I can say that outside of the white and grey slides (with screen set to custom, 100% contrast) the buzz has not been noticeable.
As for screen uniformity. It is definitely not 100% perfect. I still see a slight green tint in middle of screen on white/grey slides. It is better than my first set which had it much more pronounced, but it has not disappeared.

If the only time you are noticing an issue is when you are running slides then there is nothing wrong with your set.
post #6750 of 9971
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Originally Posted by BillyBoyBlue View Post

Try here for starters: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-559444/panasonic-tc-p55st50-picture-settings/
Every tv is slightly different and other factors such as ambient lighting and personal preference should also be considered.
There IS a standard calibrators shoot for, so personal preference should not be a factor. Calibrators will also calibrate to compensate for ambient lighting if need be. The only thing that is somewhat of a personal preference, is gamma.
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[So-called "professional calibration" is in the eyes of the beholder and also is greatly impacted by the skills (or lack of) AND the equipment such a "calibrator" uses. As far as Geek Squard I've seen high praise and utter disgust with the results of their "service", so like with the "buzzing" issue it is really a matter of the luck of the draw. If you luck out and hire a truly skilled calibrator AND he has the right equipment AND you set is really way out of calibration then the differences can be night and day. That is the exception, not the rule.
Calibrators do vary in quality, and equipment used is also very important. But there are many great calibrators out there... you just have to do your research. I do agree that GeekSquad is a crapshoot and more times than not, they are not very good.
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Calibration of a digital flat screen is a topic few really understand, but some think they need. It boils down to so-called specs. Simply stated is your particular tv set to specs? There's tons of information on this all over the web for those interested. Somebody a couple days ago posted his before and after results with a popular calibration program. While the color charts might look impressive, they are also highly deceiving and deliberately skewed to make it look like tiny adjustments make huge differences. Sorry, that's baloney.
Errors are reported using various delta formulas; anything below 3 is considered unnoticeable to the human eye. Every single set on the market has errors above 5-7 out of the box and usually far worse. The human eye is a bad tool to measure color and luminance, and tweaking your set will only get you so far. Not everyone is as lenient as the next when it comes to picture quality. Some will settle for nothing less, whether it be a pro calibration, or purchasing your own equipment. Either way will produce better results than tweaking by eye.

If I recall correctly, you're the same one saying that HDMI cables make a difference. The FACT of the matter is, a pro calibration will make far more of a difference than any HDMI cable would.

And in regards to running slides. There is no proof that they cause the buzzing in plasmas. I think you're also unaware of the main purpose of running them. D-Nice uses the slides so that everyone can prep their panels the same way that he prepped his reference panel. This will at least remove one variable, because how a plasma has been used during the first 100-150 hours affects the picture when it has somewhat settled. What I do agree with, is that it's a waste of time to run them, IF you're not using D-Nice's settings.
Edited by rahzel - 11/3/12 at 11:20am
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