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Just realized the Q was already answered. Well, there's my answer anyway... smile.gif
post #6992 of 9972
Hi

New to this site so forgive me if this is not the place for the question but have just purchased the Samsung ES8000 55" as thought LED was the way to go but have been reading more about the ST50 over the last couple of days and thinking I could get a lot more screen with the same quality for less money with the 65" available for 1800.

Anybody have any thoughts on this and should I consider an exchange ?

Thanks
post #6993 of 9972
Hi Everyone,

I have narrowed down to a 50U50 or a 50ST50. Do you think the ST50 warrants a 300 dollar price difference?
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Originally Posted by ramoer View Post

Hi Everyone,
I have narrowed down to a 50U50 or a 50ST50. Do you think the ST50 warrants a 300 dollar price difference?

Absolutely. But that's just me biggrin.gif

The bigger question is - Are the ST50's extra features and better picture quality worth it to YOU?
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Originally Posted by ser_renely View Post

....Does the gt50 have less of a chance? I only worry about it because once I get it I can't return it or have anyone come fix it. Moving overseas, military base.

The GT50 is no more or less likely to develop a defect than any other model in their lineup.

Why are you not buying the TV in the country that you're using it in?

Is that country's electrical system is 240 volt @ 50Hz? If so how are you planning to convert the voltage?

Or is it 120 Volt 60Hz like in North America?
post #6996 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The GT50 is no more or less likely to develop a defect than any other model in their lineup.
Why are you not buying the TV in the country that you're using it in?
Is that country's electrical system is 240 volt @ 50Hz? If so how are you planning to convert the voltage?
Or is it 120 Volt 60Hz like in North America?
That part is easy, usually a converter is offered from the base. I'd be more concerned about NTSC vs PAL if he plans on getting cable over there. Those converters can be a bit expensive...
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Originally Posted by djPerfectTrip View Post

That part is easy, usually a converter is offered from the base.

My concern isn't with converting the voltage, it's with converting voltage being at 50Hz where the TV requires 60Hz. My friend got stationed in Germany and the Air Force shipped all his stuff there but even with their voltage converters the 50Hz thing was causing his Sony LCD TV to have a "scrambled" screen as he called it and he said it was unwatchable. The base techies couldn't get it to work so he shipped it back to family in the USA.

I think i've seen websites selling voltage converters that also convert 50Hz to 60Hz but if they exist i'm wondering if anyone got one to work. So far i've only seen a few posts on AVS about this but don't recall anyone ever having success.
post #6998 of 9972
Hey guys, I just bought the 55st50 about 2 weeks ago. With my return "window" winding down I have an issue I hope I can get some help with. I love just about everything about it. This is my first plasma. No IR, great blacks, great color, no buzz, but one issue thats driving me nuts. I can"t seem to get skin tones correct.

The panel originally had a green patch about 2/3 to the right of center screen that seems to have gone 95% and pink bands down the sides that also seem to have mostly faded. The only issue left is the skin tones. Sometimes they appear green or pink or even purple in certain scenes. I've tried messing with the tint, white balance, but nothing seems to work. It's not a constant all the time, but there none the less. My questions are. Can this be resolved? Is the panel faulty? Will this also go away after so many hours? I just hate to think I'll pass my return period and will be stuck with awful skin tones. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.
post #6999 of 9972
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Originally Posted by syphon View Post

Hey guys, I just bought the 55st50 about 2 weeks ago. With my return "window" winding down I have an issue I hope I can get some help with. I love just about everything about it. This is my first plasma. No IR, great blacks, great color, no buzz, but one issue thats driving me nuts. I can"t seem to get skin tones correct.
The panel originally had a green patch about 2/3 to the right of center screen that seems to have gone 95% and pink bands down the sides that also seem to have mostly faded. The only issue left is the skin tones. Sometimes they appear green or pink or even purple in certain scenes. I've tried messing with the tint, white balance, but nothing seems to work. It's not a constant all the time, but there none the less. My questions are. Can this be resolved? Is the panel faulty? Will this also go away after so many hours? I just hate to think I'll pass my return period and will be stuck with awful skin tones. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.

Is this with every source and where is the tint set at as this set along with the GT and VT are known for being tint correct right out of the box.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The GT50 is no more or less likely to develop a defect than any other model in their lineup.
Why are you not buying the TV in the country that you're using it in?
Is that country's electrical system is 240 volt @ 50Hz? If so how are you planning to convert the voltage?
Or is it 120 Volt 60Hz like in North America?

Thanks.

North american tv and will be using 120v. Not buying here bc its a third world country...can't really buy a tv like that.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

My concern isn't with converting the voltage, it's with converting voltage being at 50Hz where the TV requires 60Hz. My friend got stationed in Germany and the Air Force shipped all his stuff there but even with their voltage converters the 50Hz thing was causing his Sony LCD TV to have a "scrambled" screen as he called it and he said it was unwatchable. The base techies couldn't get it to work so he shipped it back to family in the USA.
I think i've seen websites selling voltage converters that also convert 50Hz to 60Hz but if they exist i'm wondering if anyone got one to work. So far i've only seen a few posts on AVS about this but don't recall anyone ever having success.
Hrmm...I don't recall anybody having that problem when I was in England...
post #7002 of 9972
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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

Is this with every source and where is the tint set at as this set along with the GT and VT are known for being tint correct right out of the box.

I have noticed this on every source. Its not always there. . I see no particular pattern. Sometimes green highlights,.sometimes pink. The tint is on 0-the default.

EDIT: I'm wondering if this is the result of a "borked" gray scale?
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Originally Posted by syphon View Post

I have noticed this on every source. Its not always there. . I see no particular pattern. Sometimes green highlights,.sometimes pink. The tint is on 0-the default.
EDIT: I'm wondering if this is the result of a "borked" gray scale?

it is not normal thats for sure.
post #7004 of 9972
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Originally Posted by syphon View Post

Hey guys, I just bought the 55st50 about 2 weeks ago. With my return "window" winding down I have an issue I hope I can get some help with. I love just about everything about it. This is my first plasma. No IR, great blacks, great color, no buzz, but one issue thats driving me nuts. I can"t seem to get skin tones correct.
The panel originally had a green patch about 2/3 to the right of center screen that seems to have gone 95% and pink bands down the sides that also seem to have mostly faded. The only issue left is the skin tones. Sometimes they appear green or pink or even purple in certain scenes. I've tried messing with the tint, white balance, but nothing seems to work. It's not a constant all the time, but there none the less. My questions are. Can this be resolved? Is the panel faulty? Will this also go away after so many hours? I just hate to think I'll pass my return period and will be stuck with awful skin tones. Any thoughts or help would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by syphon View Post

I have noticed this on every source. Its not always there. . I see no particular pattern. Sometimes green highlights,.sometimes pink. The tint is on 0-the default.
EDIT: I'm wondering if this is the result of a "borked" gray scale?

It is normal, it's the W/B Low R,G,B (gray scale) not properly calibrated and has tolerance range.
Easy to test it out, just set the COLOR to 0, so you get B/W picture and display a grayscale chart, you will see the "gray" has color variation. Thats why a tv needs to be (pro) calibrated.
But you can try do it yourself by eye, just display a grayscale and set color=0, with W/B low R,G,B finetuning the most gray gradations. Black extension and Gamma adjustment, AGC have influence on the gray gradation too.
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Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Having sort-of accepted the ST50's flicker, line-bleed and buzzing (I replaced one set, to no avail)... I'm now noticing another issue with this set: RBE, or 'rainbow effect'!

I'm not sure whether it's actually RBE, as I understand it's something only some people see on DLP's, but I'm calling it a rainbow effect because that's what it looks like. The effect is most obvious when my eyes focus on different parts of the screen while there are high contrast elements in the image (on stationary images as well). And once again, here's a video for you guys to 'enjoy' wink.gif

And a single frame to point out the issue I'm seeing:



Howcome I haven't read more about RBE in this thread before? Or, am I just overly sensitive to these kind of things..?!
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

It is normal, it's the W/B Low R,G,B (gray scale) not properly calibrated and has tolerance range.
Easy to test it out, just set the COLOR to 0, so you get B/W picture and display a grayscale chart, you will see the "gray" has color variation. Thats why a tv needs to be (pro) calibrated.
But you can try do it yourself by eye, just display a grayscale and set color=0, with W/B low R,G,B finetuning the most gray gradations. Black extension and Gamma adjustment, AGC have influence on the gray gradation too.

Thanks for the info. I felt this had something to do with it. Everything else seems to be great. I will try doing it by eye and see what I come up with and will report back. Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by ssspark View Post

Ok, this is getting ridiculous. Having sort-of accepted the ST50's flicker, line-bleed and buzzing (I replaced one set, to no avail)... I'm now noticing another issue with this set: RBE, or 'rainbow effect'!
I'm not sure whether it's actually RBE, as I understand it's something only some people see on DLP's, but I'm calling it a rainbow effect because that's what it looks like. The effect is most obvious when my eyes focus on different parts of the screen while there are high contrast elements in the image (on stationary images as well). And once again, here's a video for you guys to 'enjoy' wink.gifAnd a single frame to point out the issue I'm seeing:

Howcome I haven't read more about RBE in this thread before? Or, am I just overly sensitive to these kind of things..?!

I am not seeing this on my 60ST50, but I don't see it in your video either! It just makes me dizzy. Is it a representation of how you watch your television?
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

I am not seeing this on my 60ST50, but I don't see it in your video either! It just makes me dizzy. Is it a representation of how you watch your television?

I'm not sure whether your being sarcastic (I'm not looking left-right-left-right at my screen), but I see this effect when my eyes focus on a different part of the screen. To reproduce the fast scan my eyes make over the screen when that happens, I've panned the camera quickly in the video.
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Originally Posted by ssspark View Post

I'm not sure whether your being sarcastic (I'm not looking left-right-left-right at my screen), but I see this effect when my eyes focus on a different part of the screen. To reproduce the fast scan my eyes make over the screen when that happens, I've panned the camera quickly in the video.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1368020/plasma-screen-rainbows
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Originally Posted by syphon View Post

Thanks for the info. I felt this had something to do with it. Everything else seems to be great. I will try doing it by eye and see what I come up with and will report back. Thanks again.

The reason I gave for not normal is the fact you stated it was not repeatable while your W/B could be off it should be repeatable.
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Originally Posted by Urobulus View Post

but something's been bothering me: even though I am currently on FULL screen aspect and set to HD Size 2 I still see black bars around the whole slides that are maybe 4-5 pixels wide... The Pixel Orbiter is also off...
From what I understood from previous posts and threads (both here and on another side that I can't name) it shouldn't be and the picture should fill the WHOLE screen to the very edges of the bezel...
Any idea or I missed something here??
Aside from that nothing to report so far: I have a July 2012 build with the latest firmware, buzzing is pretty much nonexistant unless I stick my head on the set, screen uniformity seems good, seems perfect so far! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

It's normal - it's just a narrow black mask on the panel that's there to hide the absolute edge of the panel. I don't know why you're finding posts that the image should reach to the very edge of the bezel because that just isn't the case. My GT50 has this edge mask also. There are a few other threads here about this in the past month.

As it should be. Enjoy !

I was just going to write in about this too. I noticed it yesterday while watching during the day. I've usually been watching at night, when it's darker and didn't notice it. But yes, I have a P55ST50 and I noticed the black band (about 1/8") around the perimeter of the panel surrounding the picture, but not part of the bezel. When watching ESPN HD yesterday, sometimes when they cut to commercial, the black band would be about an inch wide on the side, not 4:3 aspect, but not full screen when watching game, which is weird, but I guess it's source related. Good to know it's normal.

Enjoying this plasma...first one. I didn't do any slides, just watching normal HD content, so there are no bars on top or sides. And using zoom feature when watching letterbox movies that don't fill the whole screen. And I'm actually running the picture in standard mode right now....picture is pretty good right out of the box in this mode. I'll probably try out CNETs calibration in a week or so.
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is buying an extended warranty necessary for this TV?
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Originally Posted by soulo View Post

is buying an extended warranty necessary for this TV?
My take on this if you can budget for it why not its better to have it and not need it than the other way around and then those that upgrade every model year then its a null point.
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No, I did not mean it sarcastically. I am just trying to understand how some people see things on these televisions and how many do not. I really wonder if there can be that much variance in the production and characteristics in the televisions or if there are just people with a lot different sensitivities that make them notice some of these effects. I have tried to recreate some of the things that people complain about here and usually cannot reproduce the effect. How close do you sit to your television during normal viewing?
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Originally Posted by ssspark View Post

I'm not sure whether your being sarcastic (I'm not looking left-right-left-right at my screen), but I see this effect when my eyes focus on a different part of the screen. To reproduce the fast scan my eyes make over the screen when that happens, I've panned the camera quickly in the video.
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

I am not seeing this on my 60ST50, but I don't see it in your video either! It just makes me dizzy. Is it a representation of how you watch your television?
I like your picture. I am a Ferrari fan. Looks like Red Bull and Sebastien Vettel are going to win the Championship again.
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I like your picture. I am a Ferrari fan. Looks like Red Bull and Sebastien Vettel are going to win the Championship again.

Please keep on topic. It's unfair to the other members when they have to search through off topic discussions to get information on this TV.
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

No, I did not mean it sarcastically. I am just trying to understand how some people see things on these televisions and how many do not. I really wonder if there can be that much variance in the production and characteristics in the televisions or if there are just people with a lot different sensitivities that make them notice some of these effects. I have tried to recreate some of the things that people complain about here and usually cannot reproduce the effect. How close do you sit to your television during normal viewing?

I sit at around 10 feet from the TV. And I'm afraid both the buzzing and rainbows are not something that differ a lot (if at all) between sets.

Can someone at least confirm this is happening on his/her ST50 as well? Just point a smartphone camera at the screen displaying something white on a dark screen; and pan it left/right quickly. Pausing the video should show the colors falling apart during a quick pan. Even though I'm on my second ST50 already, I'm still wondering whether this issue could vary between sets.
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Originally Posted by ssspark View Post

I'm not sure whether your being sarcastic (I'm not looking left-right-left-right at my screen), but I see this effect when my eyes focus on a different part of the screen. To reproduce the fast scan my eyes make over the screen when that happens, I've panned the camera quickly in the video.

I could also be due to the fact that most people dont shake thier head when watching a TV, so under normal viewing it wouldnt be noticed (most people dont look back and forth from side to side quickly in any circumstance.....

As to the other member who was replying to you, there can be a wide variety of reports of what people see and dont see, some people look for issues or others dont. Youll always see them reported at place like this forum, becasue thats what these forums are built off of (people reporting problems\issues with thie devices....Some people will never know what too look for or dont care enough to look for problems as the TV sets look good to them.....I dont discount any report I see as everyone will ahve an individual expereince with thier device....Just becasue "you" have no issues with the TV or a handful or more of others dont, does not mean that the issues are false or not happening.....
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I could also be due to the fact that most people dont shake thier head when watching a TV, so under normal viewing it wouldnt be noticed (most people dont look back and forth from side to side quickly in any circumstance.....

Even though you quoted me it's clear you didn't understand what I was trying to say: this effect presents itself when focusing on a different part of the screen. Like when someone is framed to the left, and the view changes to another person framed to the right - your focus will shift from the left to the right. This shift introduces a rainbow effect on anything with high contrast. Like I've demonstrated with the video.

Edit: interestingly it's an RGB gradient when panning to the left, and BGR (blue-green-red) when panning to the right. Anyone have an explanation for this?
Edited by ssspark - 11/18/12 at 3:41pm
post #7020 of 9972
I'm seriously considering purchasing a 65st50, but it would be for a bedroom. How much heat does it produce? That's really my only worry. I have a 3 year old Samsung PN50B650 that can make things uncomfortably warm.

Thanks in advance.
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